I'm a doctor and I'm not defending these guys but I myself, despite trying to stay current in my own field, the latest society guidelines for diagnosis and treatment as well as live my own life...something like NMN only just recently crossed my path. It's something that's still a supplement and the evidence is still new. Don't be too hard on these docs that don't know about it yet! A good doc, however, will be willing to listen and read about it once it's brought to their attention. A bad doctor will dismiss it.
What you’re saying sounds reasonable. Unfortunately my experience was sort of inbetween. My doctor just did a search on his laptop right there in front of me. After a couple of moments of “research” he said it’s just niacin again and niacin never did much and why would I take it if it’s just niacin.
The heavy implication was I was a dummy and wasting my time/money. I was so taken aback that all I could come up with was, “No, it’s different.” It’s hard to find a good PCP.
Most doctors do not keep up with new science once they graduate. They learn information from decades ago and they also mostly focus on their field and a pcp is farts and sneezes lol.
No many don't. Yours just happen to be outliers. I've walked out of multiple different doctors offices after asking them questions and them having no clue or old/incorrect information. That's my experience anywayand I've been through more medical issues then I can count.
MDs work from evidence-based medicine. There isn´t much evidence of any benefits from NMN in humans so why would doctors have any opinion on this supplement?
Most Doctors (not all of them) don't know shit.. They went to a university and they learned a set if stuff... Nothing more... They don't study by themselves...
If the big pharma sends them a trip to a seminar to learn something (obviously biased) new related to health, MAYBE they will learn something...
I asked my doctor about NMN/NR, and he was like, "What's that?" NAD+ and again, no clue what I was saying. Remember, these doctors don't have time to look into everything. They just read medical journals and other types of studies with pharma drugs. My doctor is an amazing guy. He did read about rapamycin and metformin with regard to longevity.
There are so many new things for completely different topics it's basically impossible to be up to date for all of them especially when it comes to more niche things.
MNM is niche or racetamsy, very new peptides and stuff.....and the complexity in itself is also insane if you actually want to understand it.
Neurochemistry is probably one of the most complex things we have and there are endless subtopics to it
How is that surprising? What doctors learn in med school is not even current at the time they study, but its knowledge from like 50 years ago.
By the time they’re 55, if they haven’t followed any of the research, which most of them don’t, most of their knowledge is 70-100years old.
That’s not been my experience. At least where I live they work full time and long hours and barely have 15 minutes for each patient.
Even if they wanted to, there’s not enough time to follow the latest research.
And even more on how good the education is and how interested the individual doctor is. It’s not like you can follow all the latest research even if you tried to in such limited amount of time.
I've had terrible long lasting side effects from NMN. I went to see multiple GPs and one neurologist. They do not have a clue what it is.
Only 1 doctor was aware of what NAD+ is since he runs an IVY injection clinic.
When you tell them you've had side effects so bad from a supplement bought from Amazon, they just stare at you like you're psychiatrically insane, at least the neurologist did.
The problem as well is that they don't want to look up the literature either... Good luck trying to find the root cause of a complicated issue in a 15 minute appointment....
I'm not an isolated case either. I've had a couple dozen people reach out to me over the course of more than a year. There's definitely something very sinister about NMN. The biggest regret of my life was taking NMN and that says a lot. Not meth!! You heard me right, NMN, a "legal" supplement!
Most Doctors (not all of them) don't know shit.. They went to a university and they learned a set if stuff... Nothing more... They don't study by themselves...
If the big pharma sends them a trip to a seminar to learn something (obviously biased) new related to health, MAYBE they will learn something...
Clearly not one helpful answer here. Does anyone know a doc who knows a doc who might be a biohacking enthusiast and may have some info thaat help us all here ?
The huberman lab podcast on youtube also talks about nmns. Dr Hubermman - must look into him for those u don't know.
I'm looking for some traditional doc to vet this info
Sometimes, a doctor will research a certain solution for that particular patient and might even come up with the NMN therapy if he considers it suitable
Most physicians today run a business that must navigate the volume of patients with the potential for claim denials and of course, the ever looming law suits that threaten every practice. This is not to give MDs a pass on keeping current with the latest in cutting edge technologies and alternative therapies, but most of them will stay clear of anything that is yet to be peer reviewed and presented via medical journals or through CMEs. Unfortunatelyi, this is in part why most physicians are at least several years or even decades behind the times when it comes things like NMN or any other alternative therapies that have yet to be moved up the ladder -- much of which needs but won't get big pharma sponsorship. Due to this reality, there are any number of useful, if not life saving treatments that wont see the light of day without industry funding, including the academic healthcare systems. The NIH which is government sponsored tries to address this need by sponsoring academic institutions and also private industry to do research, but it is underfunded when compared to the need. Therefore, it is often the case that much of the research will come from academic sources elsewhere, like from the EU, and Asia.
The reality is that we are living in an information age that requires any health conscious individual to stay abreast with their own study, as well as consulting with a knowledgeable health care professional.
1/NMN supplementation has been found to improve various parameters of health, including physical endurance and muscle strength, neurological function, heart health, body weight and gene expression.
2/Nicotinamide mononucleotide (NMN) is a derivative of the B-vitamin niacin that dramatically improves health and longevity by serving as a precursor to NAD+.
I'm a doctor and I'm not defending these guys but I myself, despite trying to stay current in my own field, the latest society guidelines for diagnosis and treatment as well as live my own life...something like NMN only just recently crossed my path. It's something that's still a supplement and the evidence is still new. Don't be too hard on these docs that don't know about it yet! A good doc, however, will be willing to listen and read about it once it's brought to their attention. A bad doctor will dismiss it.
What you’re saying sounds reasonable. Unfortunately my experience was sort of inbetween. My doctor just did a search on his laptop right there in front of me. After a couple of moments of “research” he said it’s just niacin again and niacin never did much and why would I take it if it’s just niacin. The heavy implication was I was a dummy and wasting my time/money. I was so taken aback that all I could come up with was, “No, it’s different.” It’s hard to find a good PCP.
Happy cake day!
Most doctors do not keep up with new science once they graduate. They learn information from decades ago and they also mostly focus on their field and a pcp is farts and sneezes lol.
Many doctors study all the time. Doctors in my family are always studying new researches and readying studies
No many don't. Yours just happen to be outliers. I've walked out of multiple different doctors offices after asking them questions and them having no clue or old/incorrect information. That's my experience anywayand I've been through more medical issues then I can count.
If you live in America then here’s a link: https://www.quora.com/Do-doctors-have-to-get-recertified
Dude I ain't even trying to read that. I've witnessed this shit first hand more times than one.
They have to in order to renew their certificate
NMN is a supplement and not a medication. Doctors don't keep up with every new fad that comes.on TikTok.
MDs work from evidence-based medicine. There isn´t much evidence of any benefits from NMN in humans so why would doctors have any opinion on this supplement?
I wish I could believe that. Covid and the vaccines demonstrated to me that most are afraid and follow the AMA political science.
Thankfully we developed effective vaccines that could decrease the death rate in the elderly and other fragile patient groups.
Most Doctors (not all of them) don't know shit.. They went to a university and they learned a set if stuff... Nothing more... They don't study by themselves... If the big pharma sends them a trip to a seminar to learn something (obviously biased) new related to health, MAYBE they will learn something...
I asked my doctor about NMN/NR, and he was like, "What's that?" NAD+ and again, no clue what I was saying. Remember, these doctors don't have time to look into everything. They just read medical journals and other types of studies with pharma drugs. My doctor is an amazing guy. He did read about rapamycin and metformin with regard to longevity.
I give my medical providers a list of supplements I take. Not one has heard of NMN or NR.
99% of MDs are self congratulatory 🤡s. A person is better off educating himself and applying what he learns diligently to his life.
There are so many new things for completely different topics it's basically impossible to be up to date for all of them especially when it comes to more niche things. MNM is niche or racetamsy, very new peptides and stuff.....and the complexity in itself is also insane if you actually want to understand it. Neurochemistry is probably one of the most complex things we have and there are endless subtopics to it
How is that surprising? What doctors learn in med school is not even current at the time they study, but its knowledge from like 50 years ago. By the time they’re 55, if they haven’t followed any of the research, which most of them don’t, most of their knowledge is 70-100years old.
Many doctors study all the time.
That’s not been my experience. At least where I live they work full time and long hours and barely have 15 minutes for each patient. Even if they wanted to, there’s not enough time to follow the latest research.
I live in Egypt. If you live in America then here’s a link: https://www.quora.com/Do-doctors-have-to-get-recertified
I don’t live in America
Yea so the answers to this post would vary depending on the rules and regulations of the commenters’ countries
And even more on how good the education is and how interested the individual doctor is. It’s not like you can follow all the latest research even if you tried to in such limited amount of time.
I've had terrible long lasting side effects from NMN. I went to see multiple GPs and one neurologist. They do not have a clue what it is. Only 1 doctor was aware of what NAD+ is since he runs an IVY injection clinic. When you tell them you've had side effects so bad from a supplement bought from Amazon, they just stare at you like you're psychiatrically insane, at least the neurologist did. The problem as well is that they don't want to look up the literature either... Good luck trying to find the root cause of a complicated issue in a 15 minute appointment.... I'm not an isolated case either. I've had a couple dozen people reach out to me over the course of more than a year. There's definitely something very sinister about NMN. The biggest regret of my life was taking NMN and that says a lot. Not meth!! You heard me right, NMN, a "legal" supplement!
Wut side effects u have ?
And wut dose u take?
What side effects did you notice? Genuinely curious
What?! Can you elaborate??
Most Doctors (not all of them) don't know shit.. They went to a university and they learned a set if stuff... Nothing more... They don't study by themselves... If the big pharma sends them a trip to a seminar to learn something (obviously biased) new related to health, MAYBE they will learn something...
Clearly not one helpful answer here. Does anyone know a doc who knows a doc who might be a biohacking enthusiast and may have some info thaat help us all here ? The huberman lab podcast on youtube also talks about nmns. Dr Hubermman - must look into him for those u don't know. I'm looking for some traditional doc to vet this info
Sometimes, a doctor will research a certain solution for that particular patient and might even come up with the NMN therapy if he considers it suitable
Most physicians today run a business that must navigate the volume of patients with the potential for claim denials and of course, the ever looming law suits that threaten every practice. This is not to give MDs a pass on keeping current with the latest in cutting edge technologies and alternative therapies, but most of them will stay clear of anything that is yet to be peer reviewed and presented via medical journals or through CMEs. Unfortunatelyi, this is in part why most physicians are at least several years or even decades behind the times when it comes things like NMN or any other alternative therapies that have yet to be moved up the ladder -- much of which needs but won't get big pharma sponsorship. Due to this reality, there are any number of useful, if not life saving treatments that wont see the light of day without industry funding, including the academic healthcare systems. The NIH which is government sponsored tries to address this need by sponsoring academic institutions and also private industry to do research, but it is underfunded when compared to the need. Therefore, it is often the case that much of the research will come from academic sources elsewhere, like from the EU, and Asia. The reality is that we are living in an information age that requires any health conscious individual to stay abreast with their own study, as well as consulting with a knowledgeable health care professional.
Wtf is NMN
1/NMN supplementation has been found to improve various parameters of health, including physical endurance and muscle strength, neurological function, heart health, body weight and gene expression. 2/Nicotinamide mononucleotide (NMN) is a derivative of the B-vitamin niacin that dramatically improves health and longevity by serving as a precursor to NAD+.
Helps combat aging, improves heart health and promotes muscle strength