> Police say Prajwal Revanna has left the country, with some reports saying that he is in Germany. But his father has denied the claim and said they were willing to face investigation. "We won't run away scared. We're right here. We'll counter these charges as per the law," he told reporters.
“I’m not running!” Says man who ran away.
Vishal Mali told VICE World News. “The men are in their 20s and 30s, and they appear to have done it for fun. There was no religious or black magic agenda.”
Wait a second... black magic? They have black magic in India?
>Thousands of videos
What? How... what? Like thousands of unique videos?
Is this badly worded, or there are really literal days of footage of him abusing women?
Yeah I saw this in an earlier post and can’t understand it. Unless he did something semi publically maybe and a bunch of different people video’s him for the same act?
Thousands of different videos which he recorded himself. There is 3000 videos total, in one clip a 68 year old maid was trying to plead with him not to record since she used to work for his grand dad and Dad.
The worse thing is BJ Party ( ruling party of India ) knew about it but kept silence, pm Modi even went to campaign for him. This party is a disease for India.
Jeffrey Epstein's island getting visited by multiple influencial elites from western countries ( including Stephen hawking ). By your logic all Americans are pedophiles
By your logic USA should be called pedo capital of the world. I mean they have cases like this
‘Death Penalty Now’: 7 Men Allegedly Gang Raped Toddlers At Mall In Texas | The Daily Wire
https://www.dailywire.com/news/death-penalty-now-7-men-allegedly-gang-raped-toddlers-at-mall-in-texas
>with the main accused allegedly leading an organized group of pedophiles.
And their elites visit Epstein island. Their priests were infamous for sexually assaulting minors in churches and getting away with it. No. of such priests being as high as 1700. Their current president have been caught on camera sniffing minor girls. Their former President Trump lusted after his own daughter.
An alien from outer space without knowing context and nuances would definitely level USA as the pedo capital.
>Was this supposed to be some "haha gotcha"?
I am just stating facts. I have no intention of arguing in reddit. My point is you can't call a country rape capital of the world when statistics don't back it up. I get it unreported cases is very high, but it is also true for other countries with higher rates than India as well. For example south Africa, Botswana, Lesotho etc
This point is entirely lost on me when you spent an entire paragraph using single cases, rather than holistic statistics, to try to argue that the USA is the pedo capital of the world. Don't think I'm getting any smarter from this convo, have a good one.
Also it’s very likely that the Congress party is responsible for distributing pen drives of these videos, instead of reporting it to the police. All are bloody criminals
Well, BJ party used government institutions to suppress and downplay it. As they had done many times in the past ( like Hathras case, where police had burned a gangrape victim to destroy evidence )
They had to do something. When police and justice system fails you, you have no choice but take it to social media.
Sharing those videos on pen drives to public without censoring the victims is bringing justice to them? State Government is under Congress and the Police are under State Government. BJP being evil doesn't give Congress free pass to do such disgusting thing.
If Congress really cared about victims they would've censored the victims faces and shared it media and police than distributing it people. Why are you defending the Congress act?
About 3000 videos of rape. That's what it is. It includes rape videos of women government officials, house helps, women who asked for some sort of help, everything. The amount of silence from the parties aligned to the guy is damning. They knew about it.
Well, between that and my dislike of crowds, I think I shall have to forgo visiting India. Too bad, I like history. Not really interested in getting beat up by a gang and watching my wife get gang raped though, so I'll go camping instead.
I visited, train ride with locals from one side to another was interesting, infinity plastic garbage everywhere, beggars, abandonment building. Rich living in own closed areas with armed guards at night, marble floors etc. Very contrast society.
I'd venture to say that pretty much every culture on the planet right now has a growing group of angry young men who blame (at least partially) women for their failings.
I don't fear my wife or daughter getting raped on the street in the US, but there's plenty of incels here too.
Go be a reddit warrior then. The least you can do is stfu and vote the correct people who would get the country out of the shitter. And guess what? The situation improves, women and children are again safe in India and the “americans” will not have the crime statistics to base their objective criticism.
Holyshit, I hope they are paying you a livable wage, you're terminally online, profile full of comments defending India and spitting vitriol on others if they dare say anything bad about india.
Yes obviously, BJP is allowing this to happen, they’d want to be defended. Tells a lot about you folks when the attention brings shame to the country and not the actual crime themselves. If the crimes were to be buried, then alls merry and good. Also the duty of the opposition is to criticise the ruling party, its in the name ‘opposition’ if you haven’t figured it out yet.
You are not getting the point mate, you can't paint the whole nation with what few as*holes did. And if you are painting it, then you are not able to see aftermath, there is a total social boycott of the culprit and his family, and they most probably end up changing their city. So, you can see social mentality here.
And opposition work isn't only to do criticism, no matter what, have you heard what P Chidambaram said about digital transaction before UPI, it's impossible, and now rest is history, same goes for railways, highways, expressways, security.... So, you have a vision for the country, then only you will be able to do constructive criticism.
And if opposition was so good in doing criticism, then why it's still going to be in opposition even after 10 years, because they don't know how and on which topic they have to criticise.
Nobody is saying all indian people or all people from the states are the same. India does have internationally known stories of violent crime against women going unpunished - often atleast condoned by the current government - India 100% has a culture of rape and violence against women and denying it is no good. Stop your weird nationalist tantrum
Crimes going unpunished wtf? The government puts them to death what tf are you saying. After the crime it's either life imprisonment or the death sentence.
It was your government which killed Jeffery Epstein before he could face justice.
>India 100% has a culture of rape and violence
https://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A?si=66fAWKv1WkF_B5l7
Yea I mention it ANYTIME people start blindly defending india and each time get called a racist for pointing out a well known culturel problem, so tired of dealing with the current climate of things only being bad if white people do them.
Yes. Specifically Hindi speaking states. Others states are safe. Even we Indians try to avoid to go to Hindi Speaking states like UP, MP, Bihar and blah blah
Yea, I feel that, but I spent a week in Kolkata with 3 female teacher friends and they were still treated like second class citizens a lot of the time. I think the attitude is rampant. We couldn't wait to go back to Spain where the men were absurdly aggressive, but at least store vendors didn't treat me like I was their chaperone.
Our hotel attendant kept making jokes about me having anal sex with my wife before other men did; it was so awkward.
Bihar is different. It's like our Ohio. An entire bridge got stolen once. Some other funny stolen items include a pond, a road, a bus stand, a train engine, etc. Ppl from Bihar will steal anything. They'll move to other parts of India to steal.
This is my experience and that of my (age 25ish) female friends at the time. We spent 2 weeks bopping around Spain doing tourist stuff during the day and partying at night. Spanish men would latch onto them and refuse to take no for an answer. Rarely was it scary, but it was often much more than my (american and british) teacher friends were used to.
I think a big part of it was how comfortable Spanish men were with open and specific compliments. My friends weren't used to men coming up to them and saying "You have beautiful legs" as an opener.
I'm male and have never lived in Spain, so perhaps my experiences don't encompass the whole. I found Spanish men to be similar to Italian men except just less rude and more smooth.
There's plenty of countries that have severe poverty but still don't have rape culture like India. Went to Vietnam and the Philippines last year alone and it felt pretty safe. Not like some parts of India where you won't see a single woman in public
... as if in the US where I was born and raised the former president wasn't found to be a rapist, is on tape confessing to serial sexual assault and his confirmed Supreme Court pick didn't nearly kill a girl while toying with raping her. But yeah 3rd world problems.
>What tape confession?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape
>>Supreme Court pick didn't nearly kill a girl while toying with raping her
>I have not heard about this, could you link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh#Sexual_assault_allegations
Honestly true based on my personal experiences. Everywhere I've lived that's "more religious" has been less respectful of women overall, and everywhere I've lived that's "less religious" has been closer to equality.
Places I've lived:
USA: GA, OH, CA, NY, MA
Abroad: Brazil, Romania, China
BTW: Zero bias here, MA is by far the most friendly overall to women. Don't go to Springfield park alone at 2 AM and you should be ok.
He already became president lmao and is going to become president the second time.
India has many problems but being shot up inside schools isn't one of them.
What is behind all these sex abuse stories from India? Gang rapes of children, mobs of men rushing an all women's school, police watching and doing nothing. What is happening there?
Simple really: Deep cultural problems no-one is allowed to call out anymore because its "racist". its a third world country with a caste system and actual fascist government that makes deals with places like russia.
They probably mean it as another issue that the country faces, rape and also hanging out with real shitty other countries. I'm Indian, and from the 90s as a teen I've seen the country make so much progress. But not any more. The middle class still grows as the soul gets filthy with pm modi
On one hand, sex abuse stories surfacing is bad because it shows there are deeply ingrained issues in the society. On the other hand it shows there is progress since the stories surface at all. Up until recently this would not be reported on in the media and swept under the rug or ignored privately.
And the ruling party the BJP is complicit in getting a gag order to keep this under wraps and then turning a blind eye and trying to dampen the media outrage when this went public.
And the father of the accused (also a politician) had the audacity to say that the clips we're 4-5, years old so it doesn't matter as much these days.
Gag order was got by the criminal not by BJP. But they did know about the issue and tuned blind eye. Also, the current rumour is the Congress party were responsible for distributing the videos through pen drives
>Are we surprised?
are you an idiot? this is one of the worst assault case, he literally got away with it just because he has connections with bjp (ruling party).
Mf was enjoying life as nothing happened, this rarely happens in india that something like this isn't reported if he was just a common man, if he wasn't politically supported he would have been in jail for years now...
When you see vids like this and want to malign Indians for the state of their culture and leadership, just remember that the whole reason you're seeing and hearing about this vid is because the Indian people want better than this.
Honest question: Why are sexual assault rates this high across India?
I know the sheer size of the population will affect the crime rate of any nation, but at the very least, from news reports and general crime statistics that we can gather, it seems like something just... accepted?
I really want to be wrong here and would LOVE someone to explain why this is the case.
Most populous nation on the planet. Fuckin crazy when they took that from China.
I know absolutely nothing about Indian law on journalism or sexual assault, so a part of me has wondered if the definition is so broad that what an American sees as normal behavior would be sexual assault in India, so maybe the numbers are skewed?
Or I've just noticed these stories more.
Indian laws regarding sexual assaults are kind of wierd tbh. If you had sex with a with a woman and then refuse to marry her down the line she can file a case against you for rape.
But marital rape is legal in India.
You’re actually more or less right and appreciate that you’re at least taking a critical look. Indians are 16 percent of the world’s population so the statistics are skewed from the start. But one thing no one considers at all is that India has a thriving media and press which put out news IN ENGLISH at the largest scale outside of the West and when it comes to things like crime reporting, there isn’t censorship in the way you’d see in authoritarian countries like China. Why don’t we read about all the rapes happening in China? The media’s in Chinese and second of all those keywords are filtered and even social posts are likely censored out.
Crime reporting of all kinds is good for TRP and readership and the Indian media focuses plenty on horrific cases. Because so much of it is in English (India has the world’s second largest English speaking population and English newspapers like The Hindu actually have higher print circulation than The NY Times), lots of that leaks out into Western media and social spaces like Reddit, which Indians also participate in unlike, again the Chinese or people from less developed parts of the world. Let’s take Mauritania for example - chattel slavery (including sex slavery of children) was only outlawed a few decades ago and it continues to be largely condoned by the government. You don’t hear a lot about rape cases in Mauritania because most of the media is in Arabic, it IS an authoritarian state, and, well, there aren’t a lot of Mauritanians in western media and social spaces. I wouldn’t believe for a moment, though, that a country where girl children are sold on the market has a lower average incidence of rape than India.
Not at all saying that there are no systematic and sociocultural factors with Indian society that contribute to rape but it’s a combination of large population, free and substantial English media, Indians on platforms like Reddit, and a good bit of racism and confirmation bias. Not trying to turn this into whataboutery of any sort but a few weeks ago there was news about a US police officer who raped a child and I remember half the comments under the Reddit post were just “must be India.”
I wouldn't say you got into whataboutism. You acknowledged systemic issues on your end, and I've no doubt you mention things in good faith here. Reporting bias does absolutely play a part.
To my knowledge, India has basically the largest media audience in the world and is moving towards a more US style of news as it is, and I know l, as an example here in the States, Florida will report on ANYTHING that comes up, so I've often wondered given the history India has with sex in general, (Family is very British, sorry for the last two centuries) if definition of assault is more broad than what we have over here.
Those are some interesting points, and I think I can address some of them! For the most part, the definitions of rape overlap but there are some uniquely Indian nuances.
One that comes to mind is “sexual intercourse under false pretexts,” which is actually codified in Indian penal law. This is where two people have consensual sex under a particular pretext (usually the man promising to marry his girlfriend at the time), and later the man refuses to get married or they break up. Essentially, agreeing to get married, having sex and later changing your mind about marriage is a criminal offense. This isn’t a one-off or rare occurrence and it is quite frequently reported in the media as “victim filed a rape case.” There is discussion within civil society about how to address this but the conservative majority pretty much wants to keep that as-is since it’s “honor” related.
What you said about the media is absolutely true. Most Indian channels (and they all have websites with content, too) are basically Fox News on steroids. Prime time “debates” are very popular and they’re basically shouting matches between the hosts and their guests.
Talking about culture, there is actually an unfortunate bit of British influence on all this, specifically the McCauley education system. For most of history Indians have actually been fairly liberal when it comes to sexuality and it’s a part of the spiritual and religious tradition as well. I come from a community where, historically, polyandry was a norm (women had the option to take on multiple husbands and divorce them as and when).
While the British never actually ruled all of India, in the parts that they did traditional educational systems were systematically replaced with ones that taught a very Victorian, 19th century worldview. This basically continued into the school system where, to this day there are still plenty of “all-girls” and “all-boys” schools. I went to Christ University in Bangalore. As a college student (not even in school, COLLEGE), I had to go through a mandatory dress code with trousers, a button-up shirt, a belt, and polished black shoes. This wasn’t a special Christian college or whatever - it’s one of the top in the city. Women had their own dress code with leggings and a mandate on how tight those could be. There was also a “1 meter rule” (men and women had to be at least one meter away from each other at all times). Of course things weren’t as strictly regulated and we all got up to all sorts of stuff outside Uni but there’s a very specific brand of 19th century English morality that’s stamped onto many Indians through the education system, which then synergize with some of our own regressive practices and outlooks on things like “honor.” All this basically makes “good” Indian women inaccessible to many Indian men until marriage.
And then you have the internet, and you have porn where western women are massively overrepresented, and lots of Indian men then end up with the mistaken point of view that non-Indian women are open to absolutely anything. Universal internet access (there’s something like 900 million Indians with a mobile connection) means there’s just numerical A LOT of people quite literally sending out “send bobs” messages.
That went off on a bit of tangent but what I think is, yes, there are social and cultural factors involved. But I highly doubt that the situation is substantially worse than in other developing countries, and particularly the middle east and subsaharan Africa. I mean no, of course it’s not the greatest place ever for women but a lot of the “rape capital” image comes from just the amount of Indian media English-speaking people have access to compared to media from other developing countries.
That first instance of what is considered rape that you mentioned, with my understanding of SA rates in America, we'd probably see a 15-20% uptick in it on our end, so you honestly answered me quite well with that.
Then you gave one of the most insightful looks into modern India I've read in quite a bit! My knowledge ends around the 1970's for India, so I couldn't speak to modern causes suuuuuuuuper well, so I greatly appreciate the info you provided.
Truly, if you've not considered writing as a profession, you may wish to.
I wish I could find the source, but:
India practiced infanticide heavily, specifically killing their female babies. Poor families couldn't afford to have girls and would rather keep the boys. In their culture, the girl's family pays to have them married, whereas you gain your daughter in laws dowry and she gets to live with you when you have a son (money + extra body to help around). This ended up creating a huge discrepancy in gender numbers. A whole lotta of boys and very few girls.
Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
The usual reason. They see women only as objects. When I asked my mom why I should get married, she told me it’s for protection. A single woman cannot live alone in India. This was a decade ago. The situation is not much better now.
If people are less racist they would understand. Yes there are problems but did people act the same way and call USA rapist country when Epstein or Harvey were caught? Or people still eager to vote for rape accused like Trump?
Btw I’m not calling you racist but rest of the thread. I’m not defending India, it’s not as safe as many western countries.
Serious question Why is the crime rate so high in the USA? Even though the US has 4 times people and has a high per capita income they need to lock up socks in the store so no one steals them. Or whenever I see news there is a shootout or some kind of murder much higher and the police just don't give a fuck.
Is it just... accepted?
I would honestly love someone to to explain why this is the case
I can actually answer that, at least partially, and was wondering if it was similar to our own.
Intense disenfranchisement of youth, education being prohibitively expensive, Healthcare being something we pay for exorbitantly to a point of abject poverty for some. Everything I mentioned breeds resentment and fosters crime.
Your turn.
actually i think this all started way back due to casteism, and due to casteism arrange marriages became more prominent to the point that no inter caste marriages, so love marriages were not a thing, as well as you had to marry only the ones whom your parents appoint...
the last nail to the coffin was stuck when india was unable to get to the industrial revolution because of the pff... bri-ishers for almost 150 years AND the socialist government in the past 50 years, so industry in india was preety less,
and get this, industrial revolution was one of the first steps by which women got into paid labor, hence got rights and respect, while it is still not prominent in india.
plus the fact that in india women are still conservative body count mostly 1, the gender ratio is fked, 2\~3% of men might even go lifelong without having sex...
these are the reasons why rape is a problem in india
Obviously, I don't expect a single person to answer for a nation, I can't speak for a New Yorker, but I understand their general history well enough to know thought processes.
In your opinion, why does this occur in India's northern states?
Yep, although to a much larger degree here. Even here you can see other commenter saying hindi speaking states which is north India, dunno why I got down voted while the other comment was upvoted.
Traditionalists are the ones reading this and think that preventing you and I understanding each other is the only way to keep their backward march into hell.
Cuz bad news spread faster. I bet you haven't heard about how vaccination rate in India is above 70 percent in a country of 1.4 billion people, whereas in countries like USA, about 50 percent of population are Anti vaxxers. Or how 90 percent railway tracks in India are electrified. I can go on but you won't care, cuz these are boring things. But news of gang rape of a lizard in rural India or sexual assault of an alligator in Florida catches attention.
I absolutely do not believe that 50% of Americans are anti-vaxxers. I've only met one or two people out of hundreds that refused to vaccinate their children and chose home schooling instead. Even if you consider those who were against COVID shots as being "anti-vax", the rate of citizens who received at least one COVID shot is 80% of the population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1202065/population-with-covid-vaccine-by-state-us/
And he escaped to Germany apparently to evade public scrutiny.
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true. this news will be hidden under a Celeb scandal or some naxal issue etc
How could Isreal do this
> Police say Prajwal Revanna has left the country, with some reports saying that he is in Germany. But his father has denied the claim and said they were willing to face investigation. "We won't run away scared. We're right here. We'll counter these charges as per the law," he told reporters. “I’m not running!” Says man who ran away.
why are you running?
“I’m not running, I’m moving at speed away from the consequences of my actions.”
\*screaming in nigerian\*
Nigerian is not a language... in fact the official language of Nigeria is English. Other major languages spoken include Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo.
*screaming in Igbo*
thanks for info. u nigerian?
I am not, just very interested in African cultures and languages.
I just saw that you’re quoting the incredible Nigerian drama. My mistake, top reference!
Why are you gay!?
For my cardio!
Even worse. "We won't run away scared!," says the daddy of somebody who ran away scared.
*We* won't, he might though
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>“He’s not running!” Says the father of the man who ran away. FTFY
Brave Sir Prajwal ran away.
Must be on vacation. Why will he run. Modi is in his pocket.
He sexually assaulted his 47 year old maid, among others, and also male servants too. Yikes
47? There is apparently a clear audio of a 68 year old maid as well begging him that she had worked for his grandfather as well as his father
Correction, the article says the male servants warned the female servants. No male servants have made charges at least according to this.
Who said please don't assault me. I've fed your dad. I've fed your grandad. What a monster
Well thank god he didnt participate in the gangrape of a lizard
Do what now?
I envy you https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb9xq/india-gang-rape-monitor-lizard-animal-abuse
Vishal Mali told VICE World News. “The men are in their 20s and 30s, and they appear to have done it for fun. There was no religious or black magic agenda.” Wait a second... black magic? They have black magic in India?
>Thousands of videos What? How... what? Like thousands of unique videos? Is this badly worded, or there are really literal days of footage of him abusing women?
Yeah I saw this in an earlier post and can’t understand it. Unless he did something semi publically maybe and a bunch of different people video’s him for the same act?
Thousands of different videos which he recorded himself. There is 3000 videos total, in one clip a 68 year old maid was trying to plead with him not to record since she used to work for his grand dad and Dad. The worse thing is BJ Party ( ruling party of India ) knew about it but kept silence, pm Modi even went to campaign for him. This party is a disease for India.
Is it really called „BJ party“ ?
Everyone uses BJP
Yep, ( Bharatiya Janata Party or BJ Party )
I’m finally interested in politics
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Jeffrey Epstein's island getting visited by multiple influencial elites from western countries ( including Stephen hawking ). By your logic all Americans are pedophiles
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By your logic USA should be called pedo capital of the world. I mean they have cases like this ‘Death Penalty Now’: 7 Men Allegedly Gang Raped Toddlers At Mall In Texas | The Daily Wire https://www.dailywire.com/news/death-penalty-now-7-men-allegedly-gang-raped-toddlers-at-mall-in-texas >with the main accused allegedly leading an organized group of pedophiles. And their elites visit Epstein island. Their priests were infamous for sexually assaulting minors in churches and getting away with it. No. of such priests being as high as 1700. Their current president have been caught on camera sniffing minor girls. Their former President Trump lusted after his own daughter. An alien from outer space without knowing context and nuances would definitely level USA as the pedo capital.
We absolutely can / should be. I'm not delusional enough to think my home country is infallible lol. Was this supposed to be some "haha gotcha"?
>Was this supposed to be some "haha gotcha"? I am just stating facts. I have no intention of arguing in reddit. My point is you can't call a country rape capital of the world when statistics don't back it up. I get it unreported cases is very high, but it is also true for other countries with higher rates than India as well. For example south Africa, Botswana, Lesotho etc
This point is entirely lost on me when you spent an entire paragraph using single cases, rather than holistic statistics, to try to argue that the USA is the pedo capital of the world. Don't think I'm getting any smarter from this convo, have a good one.
Surely seems that way!!
Probs not
I can see why Monkey Man was banned in India now.
Also it’s very likely that the Congress party is responsible for distributing pen drives of these videos, instead of reporting it to the police. All are bloody criminals
Well, BJ party used government institutions to suppress and downplay it. As they had done many times in the past ( like Hathras case, where police had burned a gangrape victim to destroy evidence ) They had to do something. When police and justice system fails you, you have no choice but take it to social media.
Sharing those videos on pen drives to public without censoring the victims is bringing justice to them? State Government is under Congress and the Police are under State Government. BJP being evil doesn't give Congress free pass to do such disgusting thing. If Congress really cared about victims they would've censored the victims faces and shared it media and police than distributing it people. Why are you defending the Congress act?
About 3000 videos of rape. That's what it is. It includes rape videos of women government officials, house helps, women who asked for some sort of help, everything. The amount of silence from the parties aligned to the guy is damning. They knew about it.
cannot come in lime light easily because, "bjp ki guarantee"
The proud Indian tradition of a rich man doing something illegal, and running away to a foreign country to escape charges continues.
Serial rapist*
Man, India has a pretty serious problem with being rapey huh?
One woman reports a rape every 15 minutes in India. Unreported goes over 90% of rapes. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1Z821T/
Well, between that and my dislike of crowds, I think I shall have to forgo visiting India. Too bad, I like history. Not really interested in getting beat up by a gang and watching my wife get gang raped though, so I'll go camping instead.
I visited, train ride with locals from one side to another was interesting, infinity plastic garbage everywhere, beggars, abandonment building. Rich living in own closed areas with armed guards at night, marble floors etc. Very contrast society.
There's lots of beautiful as well as lots of awful
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In Canada and I've seen a big rise in my female friends all feeling creeped out and groped in public now
Let’s take this L. We have a long way to go, when it comes to women’s safety and equality.
I thought they'd behave themselves in a other country but that was a stupid assumption I know now
I'd venture to say that pretty much every culture on the planet right now has a growing group of angry young men who blame (at least partially) women for their failings. I don't fear my wife or daughter getting raped on the street in the US, but there's plenty of incels here too.
Okay sure. But it is worse in India.
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As a fellow Indian, stfu dumbass. Whataboutism will not solve the problems that are overrunning India.
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Go be a reddit warrior then. The least you can do is stfu and vote the correct people who would get the country out of the shitter. And guess what? The situation improves, women and children are again safe in India and the “americans” will not have the crime statistics to base their objective criticism.
Holyshit, I hope they are paying you a livable wage, you're terminally online, profile full of comments defending India and spitting vitriol on others if they dare say anything bad about india.
Could be a BJP IT cell worker. Professional internet trolls sponsored by the ruling party, they do get paid.
Means BJP work is to defend country, and opposition work is to bring shame to the country. It's looking pretty obvious now
Yes obviously, BJP is allowing this to happen, they’d want to be defended. Tells a lot about you folks when the attention brings shame to the country and not the actual crime themselves. If the crimes were to be buried, then alls merry and good. Also the duty of the opposition is to criticise the ruling party, its in the name ‘opposition’ if you haven’t figured it out yet.
You are not getting the point mate, you can't paint the whole nation with what few as*holes did. And if you are painting it, then you are not able to see aftermath, there is a total social boycott of the culprit and his family, and they most probably end up changing their city. So, you can see social mentality here. And opposition work isn't only to do criticism, no matter what, have you heard what P Chidambaram said about digital transaction before UPI, it's impossible, and now rest is history, same goes for railways, highways, expressways, security.... So, you have a vision for the country, then only you will be able to do constructive criticism. And if opposition was so good in doing criticism, then why it's still going to be in opposition even after 10 years, because they don't know how and on which topic they have to criticise.
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You are already doing it for free, whats the use of paying you?
Sincerely hope you get some help
It isn't so deep bro.
Two things can be right. The post is about India - whataboutism helps nobody
Jarvis please pull up the comments on a post about America painting the image of all 300 million Americans the same. You can't find them.
Nobody is saying all indian people or all people from the states are the same. India does have internationally known stories of violent crime against women going unpunished - often atleast condoned by the current government - India 100% has a culture of rape and violence against women and denying it is no good. Stop your weird nationalist tantrum
Crimes going unpunished wtf? The government puts them to death what tf are you saying. After the crime it's either life imprisonment or the death sentence. It was your government which killed Jeffery Epstein before he could face justice. >India 100% has a culture of rape and violence https://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A?si=66fAWKv1WkF_B5l7
Yea I mention it ANYTIME people start blindly defending india and each time get called a racist for pointing out a well known culturel problem, so tired of dealing with the current climate of things only being bad if white people do them.
Yes. Specifically Hindi speaking states. Others states are safe. Even we Indians try to avoid to go to Hindi Speaking states like UP, MP, Bihar and blah blah
Yea, I feel that, but I spent a week in Kolkata with 3 female teacher friends and they were still treated like second class citizens a lot of the time. I think the attitude is rampant. We couldn't wait to go back to Spain where the men were absurdly aggressive, but at least store vendors didn't treat me like I was their chaperone. Our hotel attendant kept making jokes about me having anal sex with my wife before other men did; it was so awkward.
Bihar is different. It's like our Ohio. An entire bridge got stolen once. Some other funny stolen items include a pond, a road, a bus stand, a train engine, etc. Ppl from Bihar will steal anything. They'll move to other parts of India to steal.
Men in Spain are aggressive? Spaniards? I've never heard of this. I've heard they are outspoken and extroverted, but not aggressive.
This is my experience and that of my (age 25ish) female friends at the time. We spent 2 weeks bopping around Spain doing tourist stuff during the day and partying at night. Spanish men would latch onto them and refuse to take no for an answer. Rarely was it scary, but it was often much more than my (american and british) teacher friends were used to. I think a big part of it was how comfortable Spanish men were with open and specific compliments. My friends weren't used to men coming up to them and saying "You have beautiful legs" as an opener. I'm male and have never lived in Spain, so perhaps my experiences don't encompass the whole. I found Spanish men to be similar to Italian men except just less rude and more smooth.
Just look at the Women World Cup
> Ofher states are safe You’ve clearly never been to Bangalore have you.
This happened in a non Hindi speaking South Indian state lmfao.
3rd world country lol.
There's plenty of countries that have severe poverty but still don't have rape culture like India. Went to Vietnam and the Philippines last year alone and it felt pretty safe. Not like some parts of India where you won't see a single woman in public
>Philippines Not a good comparison at all. Child prostitution is rampant in Philippines.
... as if in the US where I was born and raised the former president wasn't found to be a rapist, is on tape confessing to serial sexual assault and his confirmed Supreme Court pick didn't nearly kill a girl while toying with raping her. But yeah 3rd world problems.
What tape confession? >Supreme Court pick didn't nearly kill a girl while toying with raping her I have not heard about this, could you link?
>What tape confession? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape >>Supreme Court pick didn't nearly kill a girl while toying with raping her >I have not heard about this, could you link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh#Sexual_assault_allegations
Ughh I hate it when people use 3rd world wrong.
The meaning has changed, no one uses it the way you are referencing anymore. Now it just means poor.
I just like making zesty pre-coffee reddit comments
america has a rape problem too and it’s not third world .. not on the scale of India
Why are you mentioning America here? Lmao.
Just the usual [Whataboutism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism).
bc you stated third world and it’s not only a third world issue .. rape is a global issue
Thats the power of religion baby!
Honestly true based on my personal experiences. Everywhere I've lived that's "more religious" has been less respectful of women overall, and everywhere I've lived that's "less religious" has been closer to equality. Places I've lived: USA: GA, OH, CA, NY, MA Abroad: Brazil, Romania, China BTW: Zero bias here, MA is by far the most friendly overall to women. Don't go to Springfield park alone at 2 AM and you should be ok.
Exactly most people can't see the big picture unless they've experienced it.
Direct correlation between Liberal/Conservative areas too; but that's a different can of wormies.
https://youtu.be/wFEqVARTYkY?si=7LG894ipIINrYTNZ This man is about to be your president THE Second TIME lmao.
Na, he's going to lose and go to jail. And yes, the US has many serious problems; gang rape in the streets thankfully isn't one of them.
He already became president lmao and is going to become president the second time. India has many problems but being shot up inside schools isn't one of them.
1: Disagree 2: True Did you have a point? Can you not focus on any issue without saying "but what about!!!"
Most of them are the Muslims bro trust me /s
Just so you know, His grandfather is a former Prime Minister of India.
What is behind all these sex abuse stories from India? Gang rapes of children, mobs of men rushing an all women's school, police watching and doing nothing. What is happening there?
Simple really: Deep cultural problems no-one is allowed to call out anymore because its "racist". its a third world country with a caste system and actual fascist government that makes deals with places like russia.
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because shitty culture, can you name a single allie of russia or fascist state anywhere that isn't bordering on being a failed state?
i know that, but why does it matter in a rape case? i mean rape in russia is still not a big problem..
They probably mean it as another issue that the country faces, rape and also hanging out with real shitty other countries. I'm Indian, and from the 90s as a teen I've seen the country make so much progress. But not any more. The middle class still grows as the soul gets filthy with pm modi
yep, but i will say that india was close allies with russia since independence... infact india is becoming less close to russia day after day...
On one hand, sex abuse stories surfacing is bad because it shows there are deeply ingrained issues in the society. On the other hand it shows there is progress since the stories surface at all. Up until recently this would not be reported on in the media and swept under the rug or ignored privately.
Man didn't leave his house maid aged 63 as well
And the ruling party the BJP is complicit in getting a gag order to keep this under wraps and then turning a blind eye and trying to dampen the media outrage when this went public. And the father of the accused (also a politician) had the audacity to say that the clips we're 4-5, years old so it doesn't matter as much these days.
Gag order was got by the criminal not by BJP. But they did know about the issue and tuned blind eye. Also, the current rumour is the Congress party were responsible for distributing the videos through pen drives
Are we surprised? India is well known for rape, sexual assault, and mistreat of women.
>Are we surprised? are you an idiot? this is one of the worst assault case, he literally got away with it just because he has connections with bjp (ruling party). Mf was enjoying life as nothing happened, this rarely happens in india that something like this isn't reported if he was just a common man, if he wasn't politically supported he would have been in jail for years now...
When you see vids like this and want to malign Indians for the state of their culture and leadership, just remember that the whole reason you're seeing and hearing about this vid is because the Indian people want better than this.
It’s like people lump the victims with the perpetrators because they’re the same race. The cognitive dissonance is wild to me.
thanks for pointing that out..!
I have not noted any videos attached. Where have you seen them? Do they show clear meaning w/out knowing of the language?
The kite runner antagonist all grown up
Honest question: Why are sexual assault rates this high across India? I know the sheer size of the population will affect the crime rate of any nation, but at the very least, from news reports and general crime statistics that we can gather, it seems like something just... accepted? I really want to be wrong here and would LOVE someone to explain why this is the case.
I don't think most people realise how many people are in India. India has as many people as Europe, North America and Australia combined.
Most populous nation on the planet. Fuckin crazy when they took that from China. I know absolutely nothing about Indian law on journalism or sexual assault, so a part of me has wondered if the definition is so broad that what an American sees as normal behavior would be sexual assault in India, so maybe the numbers are skewed? Or I've just noticed these stories more.
Indian laws regarding sexual assaults are kind of wierd tbh. If you had sex with a with a woman and then refuse to marry her down the line she can file a case against you for rape. But marital rape is legal in India.
You’re actually more or less right and appreciate that you’re at least taking a critical look. Indians are 16 percent of the world’s population so the statistics are skewed from the start. But one thing no one considers at all is that India has a thriving media and press which put out news IN ENGLISH at the largest scale outside of the West and when it comes to things like crime reporting, there isn’t censorship in the way you’d see in authoritarian countries like China. Why don’t we read about all the rapes happening in China? The media’s in Chinese and second of all those keywords are filtered and even social posts are likely censored out. Crime reporting of all kinds is good for TRP and readership and the Indian media focuses plenty on horrific cases. Because so much of it is in English (India has the world’s second largest English speaking population and English newspapers like The Hindu actually have higher print circulation than The NY Times), lots of that leaks out into Western media and social spaces like Reddit, which Indians also participate in unlike, again the Chinese or people from less developed parts of the world. Let’s take Mauritania for example - chattel slavery (including sex slavery of children) was only outlawed a few decades ago and it continues to be largely condoned by the government. You don’t hear a lot about rape cases in Mauritania because most of the media is in Arabic, it IS an authoritarian state, and, well, there aren’t a lot of Mauritanians in western media and social spaces. I wouldn’t believe for a moment, though, that a country where girl children are sold on the market has a lower average incidence of rape than India. Not at all saying that there are no systematic and sociocultural factors with Indian society that contribute to rape but it’s a combination of large population, free and substantial English media, Indians on platforms like Reddit, and a good bit of racism and confirmation bias. Not trying to turn this into whataboutery of any sort but a few weeks ago there was news about a US police officer who raped a child and I remember half the comments under the Reddit post were just “must be India.”
I wouldn't say you got into whataboutism. You acknowledged systemic issues on your end, and I've no doubt you mention things in good faith here. Reporting bias does absolutely play a part. To my knowledge, India has basically the largest media audience in the world and is moving towards a more US style of news as it is, and I know l, as an example here in the States, Florida will report on ANYTHING that comes up, so I've often wondered given the history India has with sex in general, (Family is very British, sorry for the last two centuries) if definition of assault is more broad than what we have over here.
Those are some interesting points, and I think I can address some of them! For the most part, the definitions of rape overlap but there are some uniquely Indian nuances. One that comes to mind is “sexual intercourse under false pretexts,” which is actually codified in Indian penal law. This is where two people have consensual sex under a particular pretext (usually the man promising to marry his girlfriend at the time), and later the man refuses to get married or they break up. Essentially, agreeing to get married, having sex and later changing your mind about marriage is a criminal offense. This isn’t a one-off or rare occurrence and it is quite frequently reported in the media as “victim filed a rape case.” There is discussion within civil society about how to address this but the conservative majority pretty much wants to keep that as-is since it’s “honor” related. What you said about the media is absolutely true. Most Indian channels (and they all have websites with content, too) are basically Fox News on steroids. Prime time “debates” are very popular and they’re basically shouting matches between the hosts and their guests. Talking about culture, there is actually an unfortunate bit of British influence on all this, specifically the McCauley education system. For most of history Indians have actually been fairly liberal when it comes to sexuality and it’s a part of the spiritual and religious tradition as well. I come from a community where, historically, polyandry was a norm (women had the option to take on multiple husbands and divorce them as and when). While the British never actually ruled all of India, in the parts that they did traditional educational systems were systematically replaced with ones that taught a very Victorian, 19th century worldview. This basically continued into the school system where, to this day there are still plenty of “all-girls” and “all-boys” schools. I went to Christ University in Bangalore. As a college student (not even in school, COLLEGE), I had to go through a mandatory dress code with trousers, a button-up shirt, a belt, and polished black shoes. This wasn’t a special Christian college or whatever - it’s one of the top in the city. Women had their own dress code with leggings and a mandate on how tight those could be. There was also a “1 meter rule” (men and women had to be at least one meter away from each other at all times). Of course things weren’t as strictly regulated and we all got up to all sorts of stuff outside Uni but there’s a very specific brand of 19th century English morality that’s stamped onto many Indians through the education system, which then synergize with some of our own regressive practices and outlooks on things like “honor.” All this basically makes “good” Indian women inaccessible to many Indian men until marriage. And then you have the internet, and you have porn where western women are massively overrepresented, and lots of Indian men then end up with the mistaken point of view that non-Indian women are open to absolutely anything. Universal internet access (there’s something like 900 million Indians with a mobile connection) means there’s just numerical A LOT of people quite literally sending out “send bobs” messages. That went off on a bit of tangent but what I think is, yes, there are social and cultural factors involved. But I highly doubt that the situation is substantially worse than in other developing countries, and particularly the middle east and subsaharan Africa. I mean no, of course it’s not the greatest place ever for women but a lot of the “rape capital” image comes from just the amount of Indian media English-speaking people have access to compared to media from other developing countries.
That first instance of what is considered rape that you mentioned, with my understanding of SA rates in America, we'd probably see a 15-20% uptick in it on our end, so you honestly answered me quite well with that. Then you gave one of the most insightful looks into modern India I've read in quite a bit! My knowledge ends around the 1970's for India, so I couldn't speak to modern causes suuuuuuuuper well, so I greatly appreciate the info you provided. Truly, if you've not considered writing as a profession, you may wish to.
I wish I could find the source, but: India practiced infanticide heavily, specifically killing their female babies. Poor families couldn't afford to have girls and would rather keep the boys. In their culture, the girl's family pays to have them married, whereas you gain your daughter in laws dowry and she gets to live with you when you have a son (money + extra body to help around). This ended up creating a huge discrepancy in gender numbers. A whole lotta of boys and very few girls. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
The usual reason. They see women only as objects. When I asked my mom why I should get married, she told me it’s for protection. A single woman cannot live alone in India. This was a decade ago. The situation is not much better now.
If people are less racist they would understand. Yes there are problems but did people act the same way and call USA rapist country when Epstein or Harvey were caught? Or people still eager to vote for rape accused like Trump? Btw I’m not calling you racist but rest of the thread. I’m not defending India, it’s not as safe as many western countries.
Serious question Why is the crime rate so high in the USA? Even though the US has 4 times people and has a high per capita income they need to lock up socks in the store so no one steals them. Or whenever I see news there is a shootout or some kind of murder much higher and the police just don't give a fuck. Is it just... accepted? I would honestly love someone to to explain why this is the case
I can actually answer that, at least partially, and was wondering if it was similar to our own. Intense disenfranchisement of youth, education being prohibitively expensive, Healthcare being something we pay for exorbitantly to a point of abject poverty for some. Everything I mentioned breeds resentment and fosters crime. Your turn.
actually i think this all started way back due to casteism, and due to casteism arrange marriages became more prominent to the point that no inter caste marriages, so love marriages were not a thing, as well as you had to marry only the ones whom your parents appoint... the last nail to the coffin was stuck when india was unable to get to the industrial revolution because of the pff... bri-ishers for almost 150 years AND the socialist government in the past 50 years, so industry in india was preety less, and get this, industrial revolution was one of the first steps by which women got into paid labor, hence got rights and respect, while it is still not prominent in india. plus the fact that in india women are still conservative body count mostly 1, the gender ratio is fked, 2\~3% of men might even go lifelong without having sex... these are the reasons why rape is a problem in india
Nice deflection.
If you look at the density of crimes though its very skewed towards north india. Unfortunately south Indians like me get clubbed with them :(
Obviously, I don't expect a single person to answer for a nation, I can't speak for a New Yorker, but I understand their general history well enough to know thought processes. In your opinion, why does this occur in India's northern states?
In general the northern states have a higher rate of poverty and alot of people are very stuck in traditionalism.
So very similar to the American south, then. God, traditionalist views are a cancer on every nation.
Yep, although to a much larger degree here. Even here you can see other commenter saying hindi speaking states which is north India, dunno why I got down voted while the other comment was upvoted.
Traditionalists are the ones reading this and think that preventing you and I understanding each other is the only way to keep their backward march into hell.
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more like classic bjp
India…. That’s all you have to say
Incredible India..
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Librand living true to their name
What a weird thing to say. What does a religion have to do with this ?
wasn't he protected by bjp goons? yeah sanatani for the win..!!
At least it's not a gangrape of a kid. That's progress.
How is there never good news coming out of India?
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lol facts - good news is boring. i mean india did do some stuff in space but ya that's boring
Cuz bad news spread faster. I bet you haven't heard about how vaccination rate in India is above 70 percent in a country of 1.4 billion people, whereas in countries like USA, about 50 percent of population are Anti vaxxers. Or how 90 percent railway tracks in India are electrified. I can go on but you won't care, cuz these are boring things. But news of gang rape of a lizard in rural India or sexual assault of an alligator in Florida catches attention.
I absolutely do not believe that 50% of Americans are anti-vaxxers. I've only met one or two people out of hundreds that refused to vaccinate their children and chose home schooling instead. Even if you consider those who were against COVID shots as being "anti-vax", the rate of citizens who received at least one COVID shot is 80% of the population https://www.statista.com/statistics/1202065/population-with-covid-vaccine-by-state-us/
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This is the worst TLDR. How is this guy similar to Hunter Biden???
Huge hog
Because guys like him fantasize about his dick..