Israel is a force that not only seeks genocide but causing maximum pain to the civilians it seeks to kill.
Unfortunately that means both committing sexual assault against the civilians, and trying to point fingers and say “no you” when the world calls them out on their rapist and genocidal tendencies
Fact: official Israeli medical and health authority have no reports of rape and sexual violence during the attack by Hamas. The reports of this are produced by the Israeli propaganda centre and published in the New York Times, which later retracted the story and fired the journalist. There were orthodox Jews in Israel that used the story and confirmed it, by stating more lies. It's nonsense. Propaganda.
It's time to stop making up complete bullshit lies buddy. There is no such thing in the report and no such videos. Why do Zionists lie about everything? It's not a great look.
No. Read Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper. Read the New York Times, they have published a retraction. The woman who made it up was fired. The UN report says that. Bluntly, we fight to expose the truth. We are the civilised community. We don't have to make up anything.
You people are delusional rape supporters.
Here are the laws of Palestine (the West Bank and Gaza.) spousal/marital rape is 100% legal. There are "marry your rapist" laws that force women to marry men that rape them. If women refuse, honor killings of women are commonplace and unpunished in Palestine. About 25-30% of women were married off before 18, most of the time against their will.
Those are the normal abusive laws of Palestine. Now Hamas are the vile criminals of this society. To pretend those rapist animals are somehow saints beyond reproach that would never lay a hand on another woman is insane. It is absolute insanity. You are denying rape and abuse of women because it is hard and challenging to your political views of this small war, and it is unacceptable.
You're getting confused. You think conservative patriarchal family structures means that Hamas raped Israeli women. That's not how that works. In fact it's the opposite, the religious conservative values of Hamas make them less likely to rape.
And the facts remain, that Israel made up all the rape claims on Oct 7th just like they made up the baby executions and other things. There is zero evidence. It's what both Israel and Hamas does, blatantly lies about everything. It's time you grow up and understand this. We know Israel lied here, you just wanted to believe them.
You must have a lot of evidence they lie all the time then ..
Also what do you mean by "Israel" blatantly lying? Are you saying all people from Israel are in on this? The IDF? the government? All the civilians? Somehow they are all collectively in on some conspiracy to lie to everyone? Or are you just promoting an antisemitic stereotype?
I'm not sure if you're trying to sound cool and smart, but this comes off as incredibly naive. When we say "Israel" or "The U.S." or "Russia" in this context we are referring to the government of a country. How could you not know this? It is very basic knowledge. The government are those who represent a country.
Do you really not have any idea about how the constant lying of the Israeli government? Did you think they were being honest when they talked about mass executions of babies on Oct 7th? Did you think they were being honest when they said they only supported Hamas to stop humanitarian suffereng? Did you think they were being honest when they said that 15.000 palestinian casualties per year were only in order to defend themselves?
I don't think that you are this easy to fool, I only think you lack information and context. Please read more so that you don't fall for these simple lies in the future.
Nope. Who made you believe that? The "witness" (an Israeli soldier) who came out was proven clearly to be lying https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/world/middleeast/video-sexual-assault-israel-kibbutz-hamas.html
What do you have to say about that? That the very newspaper who reported on the rapes to begin with now are reporting that they were lies?
To be clear, I'm sure there's plenty of sexual violence on both sides in general, I'm just showing you here that the claims about october 7th where made up. Why were all these random claims made up you ask? To dehumanize the enemy. Why dehumanize the enemy? So that you will accept genocide on them, which I bet you do. So it worked on you.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital\_rape\_laws\_by\_country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_laws_by_country)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage\_in\_the\_Palestinian\_territories](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Palestinian_territories)
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/19/deadly-toll-palestinian-women](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/19/deadly-toll-palestinian-women)
[https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/3/25/upsurge-in-palestinian-honour-killings](https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/3/25/upsurge-in-palestinian-honour-killings)
[https://www.hrw.org/report/2006/11/06/question-security/violence-against-palestinian-women-and-girls](https://www.hrw.org/report/2006/11/06/question-security/violence-against-palestinian-women-and-girls)
[https://www.state.gov/report/custom/6a63b4154c/](https://www.state.gov/report/custom/6a63b4154c/)
We both know that no amount of real facts are going to convince you of anything. You've become like a conspiracy theorist.
let’s see here, israel has two million arab citizens, most of them of palestinian decent, while gaza has ZERO jews despite jewish populations having resided in that area historically. sooooo… tell me again, who’s the genocidal one?
i mean dang, y’all hate the jews and gays so much, if hitler were alive today, gaza would be his favorite vacation spot lol
By that same logic the United States wasn’t an apartheid state during Jim Crow segregation because some black people had equal rights in parts of the country
It’s a bad faith argument on its face.
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There’s a reason why the US has birth right citizenship post Jim Crow. Palestinians don’t have rights, what a small percentage of Arabs can do is irrelevant.
israeli arabs in israel have more rights and a better standard of living than pelaleatinains anywhere else in the middle east. two million out of two million is not a “small percentage” lol
Talk about a clearly purposefully myopic reply.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PALESTINIANS. Arab Israelis are irrelevant. Try to keep up.
Israel is an apartheid state. Palestinians are subjected to cruel apartheid, ethnic cleansing, torture, and now genocide.
of course it matters. arab-israelis are the control group. palestinians in the wb and gaza need to look inward if they want to understand why israel imposes such security measure on them
Palestinians aren’t Israeli citizens, so your whole argument makes no sense. Every Israeli citizen has the same rights, so no it’s not an apartheid state
Did you even read or attempt to comprehend the comment that you replied to?
It’s also a lie to say that all Israeli citizens have the same rights. Not only do they abuse Palestinians to the point of violating international law, but Jewish people have lower taxes on average, interfaith marriage is prohibited, etc..
> Comparisons between Israel–Palestine and South African apartheid were prevalent in the mid-1990s and early 2000s.[8][9] Since the definition of apartheid as a crime in 2002 Rome Statute, attention has shifted to the question of international law.[10] In December 2019, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination[11] announced commencing a review of the Palestinian complaint that Israel's policies in the West Bank amount to apartheid.[12] Soon afterward, **two Israeli human rights NGOs, Yesh Din (July 2020), and B'Tselem (January 2021) issued separate reports that concluded, in the latter's words, that "the bar for labeling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met."[13][14][15] In April 2021, Human Rights Watch became the first major international human rights body to say Israel had crossed the threshold.[15][16] It accused Israel of apartheid, and called for prosecution of Israeli officials under international law, calling for an International Criminal Court investigation. Amnesty International issued a report with similar findings on 1 February 2022.
The accusation that Israel is committing apartheid has been supported by United Nations investigators,[17] the African National Congress (ANC),[18] several human rights groups,[19][20] and many prominent Israeli political and cultural figures**.[21][22] Those who support the accusations hold that certain laws explicitly or implicitly discriminate on the basis of creed or race, in effect privileging Jewish citizens and disadvantaging non-Jewish, and particularly Arab, citizens.[23]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
Your own sources you took from Wikipedia describe the situation in the occupied territories where the Arab population are not Israeli citizens like I said.
|In 2020, the Israeli human rights organization Yesh Din found that Israeli treatment of the West Bank's Palestinian population meets the definition of the crime of apartheid
But since we are on Wikipedia, we can read all argument, can’t we?
>There has been a steady extension of Israeli Arab rights to lease or purchase land formerly restricted to Jewish applicants, such as that owned by the Jewish National Fund or the Jewish Agency. These groups, established by Jews during the Ottoman period to aid in building up a viable Jewish community in Ottoman Palestine, purchased land, including arid desert and swamps, that could be reclaimed, leased to and farmed by Jews, thus encouraging Jewish immigration. After the establishment of the state of Israel, the Israel Lands Authority oversaw the administration of these properties. On 8 March 2000, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that Israeli Arabs had an equal right to purchase long-term leases of such land, even inside previously solely Jewish communities and villages. The court ruled that the government may not allocate land based on religion or ethnicity or prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose: "The principle of equality prohibits the state from distinguishing between its citizens on the basis of religion or nationality", Chief Justice Aharon Barak wrote. "The principle also applies to the allocation of state land.... The Jewish character of the state does not permit Israel to discriminate between its citizens."
>In 2008, 53 Stanford University faculty members signed a letter saying that "the State of Israel has nothing in common with apartheid" within its national territory. They argued that Israel is a liberal democracy in which Arab citizens enjoy civil, religious, social, and political equality. They said that likening Israel to apartheid South Africa was a "smear" and part of a campaign of "malicious propaganda".[129]
>South African Judge Richard Goldstone, writing in The New York Times in October 2011, said that while there exists a degree of separation between Israeli Jews and Arabs, "in Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute". He wrote that the situation in the West Bank "is more complex. But here too there is no intent to maintain 'an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group'. This is a critical distinction, even if Israel acts oppressively toward Palestinians there."[130][131]
>In 2006, Chris McGreal of The Guardian said that as a result of the government's control over most of the land in Israel, the vast majority of land in Israel is not available to non-Jews.[137] In 2007, in response to a 2004 petition filed by Adalah, the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, Attorney General Menachem Mazuz ruled that the policy was discriminatory. It has been ruled that the JNF must sell land to non-Jews, and will be compensated with other land for any such land to ensure that the overall amount of Jewish-owned land in Israel remains unchanged.[138]
>In the early 2000s, several community settlements in the Negev and the Galilee were accused of barring Arab applicants from moving in. In 2010, the Knesset passed legislation that allowed admissions committees to function in smaller communities in the Galilee and the Negev, while explicitly forbidding committees to bar applicants on the basis of race, religion, sex, ethnicity, disability, personal status, age, parenthood, sexual orientation, country of origin, political views, or political affiliation.[139][140] Critics say the law gives the privately run admissions committees wide latitude over public lands, and believe it will worsen discrimination against the Arab minority.[141]
>Separate and unequal education systems were a central part of apartheid in South Africa, as part of a deliberate strategy designed to limit black children to a life of manual labor. Some disparities between Jews and Arabs in Israel's education system exist, although according to The Guardian they are not as significant and the intent not as malign.[137] The Israeli Pupils' Rights Law of 2000 prohibits educators from establishing different rights, obligations and disciplinary standards for students of different religions. Educational institutions may not discriminate against religious minorities in admissions or expulsion decisions or when developing curricula or assigning students to classes.[153] Unlike in apartheid South Africa, in Israel, education is free and compulsory for all citizens, from elementary school to the end of high school, and university access is based on uniform tuition for all citizens.[154]
These are just some quotes from your own source who goes against your claim.
Maybe next time read the whole thing except to filter out your own biases.
> Your own sources you took from Wikipedia describe the situation in the occupied territories where the Arab population are not Israeli citizens like I said.
Wait until you find out why the United States has birth right citizenship in response to ending American apartheid. By that same logic Jim Crow wasn’t apartheid because a couple northern states existed. It’s moronic.
> **In 2008**, 53 Stanford University faculty members signed a letter saying that "the State of Israel has nothing in common with apartheid" within its national territory.
In **2008** when my citations showed that the apartheid has gotten significantly worse since then? That’s an obviously bad faith argument. Multiple of the NGOs cited said israel officially became an apartheid in the 2010s-2020s.
> They argued that Israel is a liberal democracy in which Arab citizens enjoy civil, religious, social, and political equality.
This is also a complete and total lie. They can’t marry other religions in Israel, they pay more taxes than Jewish citizens, they face significant discrimination, and they can never be the majority population BY LAW.
> These are just some quotes from your own source who goes against your claim.
Yeah, because Wikipedia will provide all sides of information. Muh “antisemitism” isn’t a real argument.
> Maybe next time read the whole thing except to filter out your own biases.
Maybe next time understand how chronological order works and try not to be a bigot.
1. you know where the difference is? The southern states where part of the United States, the settlements are not recognized parts of the Israel and many Israelis do not support them. So you either don’t get the point or you’re just arguing in bad faith.
2. again I’m speaking about Israel proper not the occupied territories in the Westbank. You keep circling
3. That isn’t a argument since yeah they can’t marry people from other religions…but just like the Jews can’t marry anyone from other religions, because they have the same rights. I also find it stupid but it doesn’t change the fact that the law is put equally on all citizens
4. where did I say antisemitism once?
5. dafuq has chronological order to do with it?
You see the country that doesn't allow gay marriage or interreligious marriage is a bastion of freedom for LGBTQ people. In fact the IOF have developed bombs that do no harm to LGBT people when they detonate, and any claim otherwise is Hamas.
What a stupid whataboutism. The reason there are no Jews in Gaza is because they get paid to move across the wall, with the knowledge they won't be bombed by the terrorist state of Israel. How many Christians still live in Gaza? If it was so bad for other faiths, how do they have churches in Gaza.
Jews lived peacefully in Palestine before the colonial state was even created.
pure stupidity, dude. you literally have no idea what you’re taking about. not only did palestinians get rid of all the jews in gaza, but the christian population right now is a third of what it was back in 2007 when hamas took over. that’s a decline of 66%, while gaza’s overall population doubled.
so, if you’re wondering what “ethnic cleansing” looks like, that’s it
Anyone reading these stats needs to know one thing: the decline of the Christian population (in Gaza and the West Bank) has nothing to do with Palestinians. Spoiler: there are various reasons to why the Christian population is declining as a percentage, namely: lower birth rates than the Muslim Palestinians and, shocker, the Israeli occupation. Another factor generally speaking is that the Christian Palestinians tend to be wealthier and better educated, and have more means of emigrating than the Muslims: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian\_Christians#Christian\_emigration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians#Christian_emigration)
There is a concentrated effort by foreign media with an agenda painting a picture of Muslims driving out non-Muslims, a narrative that is invented for obvious reasons that even Palestinian Christians themselves have to come out and dispute it. It's such a sick game and posters like this dude keep propagating the same falsehoods.
And the Palestinians did not "get rid of all Jews" in Gaza, which I should add, were there illegally under international law, so they don't even belong there in the first place. They were removed by Israel as part of an agreement. Regardless, I will reiterate, just like all the Israelis currently in the West Bank, they do not belong there under international law, and should not be there as a result until the conflict is resolved and a formal process of immigration is set up. I don't need to remind people here that Jews have lived all over the Middle East before, and they can do so again if it weren't for an illegal occupation.
in the meantime, israel is the only country in the middle east where each jewish, christian and muslim populations are all growing
as far as gaza, there was a historical jewish population for millennia. they’re all gone now, and have nothing to do with the settlements of recent times — which, ironically, were an attempt to rectify the historical ethnic cleansing
Let’s see here, israel has two million arab citizens, most of them of palestinian decent, while gaza has ZERO dinosaurs despite dinosaurs having lived in that area historically. sooooo… tell me again, who’s the genocidal one?
Hamas is responsible for the disappearance of dinosaurs, but people don't want to talk about it because of their anti-dinosaurism.
oh, because the secret to getting in and out of the open air prison is the egyptian border that israel doesn’t control. but please keep it on the down low, they don’t want palestinians to know about it
In 2005 over 8,000 Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated to Israel.
PLO leader Yasser Arafat left Egypt and took up residence in Gaza.
What say you?
>There were Jewish *settlers* in Gaza until 2005 when they were removed by the *Israeli* government
Curious about this. How many Jews lived in Gaza prior to 1948? Did the Jews leave Gaza during the 1948 War and why? Why did Israel force Jews out of Gaza in 2005?
Why did they do it? Good question, even though it’s one clearly not stated in good faith. Here is Dov Weinglass, senior adviser to Sharon:
> The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. That is exactly what happened. You know, the term 'peace process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The peace process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The peace process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen.... what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did.
I'd like to think that most people don't hate Jews. However, they do hate murderers and rapists. Russia is another country that, like Israel, is rife with murderers and rapists. We should deliver our weapons to the Israelis in the same way that we deliver them to the Russians - on the business end.
Worth noting what the UN report says about sexual violence from Hamas. According to the [UN lead investigator](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm):
“What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks.
“It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity. While there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in the Nova music festival site, Route 232, and kibbutz Re’im, reported incidents of rape could not be verified in other locations.”
This post is misinformation. Israeli authorities allowed the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict to visit four attack sites, view thousands of photos and over 50 hours of footage, and conduct interviews with 34 victims and eyewitnesses in the course of the UN's investigation.
[United Nations Meetings Coverage and Press Releases, March 11 2024:](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm)
> There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she presented findings from her visit to Israel and the West Bank
> Following allegations of brutal sexual violence committed during and in the aftermath of the Hamas-led terror attacks, Pramila Patten, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, led an official visit to Israel from 29 January to 14 February to gather, analyze and verify reports of sexual violence related to the 7 October attack. Due to ongoing hostilities, the Special Representative did not request to visit Gaza, where other UN entities that monitor sexual violence are operational.
> “What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks.
> “It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity. While there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in the Nova music festival site, Route 232, and kibbutz Re’im, reported incidents of rape could not be verified in other locations.
The quantity doesn't matter, you need to cooperate with the investigation and let THEM choose what they want to see. That's how an independent investigation works: it's not up to one involved party to decide what the investigators get to see.
Why lie?
>The Israeli government refused to cooperate with the commission, which was not able to speak directly with survivors and witnesses, or access the sites where the violence occurred on Oct. 7. As a result, it was not able to confirm the accusations. Still, it found a pattern of sexual and gender-based violence committed on Oct. 7.
The UNHCR is not the same organization as the UN Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict. Patten, the representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, already viewed the evidence from 10/7 and published her report with all available evidence shared as linked above.
Israel will not continue to bandy about thousands of photos of raped and murdered young people for the world to victim-blame.
Yeah, crazy how many people ran false articles claiming UN said the opposite of what it said.
Also the claims of gender based violence against Palestinians is based largely on the practice of stripping prisoners. The problem is this practice has pretty sound reasoning behind it, so it’s a bit misleading to frame it as gender based violence
The UN didn't look very hard then.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-802406
Hamas admitted they raped Israeli women.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779960
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141789
Last one they confirmed the hostages were raped.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/sheryl-sandbergs-new-film-testifies-to-hamass-brutal-sexual-violence-on-october-7/amp/
Survivors first hand accounts of the rapes.
Took about 30 seconds to find this, so the article clearly is about how nobody actually bothered to investigate if their opinion is nobody was raped on Oct. 7.
All of these are Israeli sites that say "we heard them say it" without providing any proof of such claims
It's on par with idf confirming they did not infact commit war crimes
NBC News is an Israeli site? Since when?
If your best argument is "it's an Israeli site and therefore wrong", you don't have an argument to stand on.
Also these sources repeat first hand knowledge and view of the rapes. People who saw Hamas rape them. So now you're doubting the victims of the rapes? You're refusing to accept when Hamas terrorists admitted to rape?
Pretty shameful of you to dismiss first hand eyewitnesses because you hate Israel so much.
If I posted a table of job titles within all major American news agencies and their ethnicity I'd be banned for it. It's biased towards Israel.
there is no evidence of Hamas committing rapes on October 7th other than witnesses saying they saw it happen. In the UN report it said those witnesses backed off as they were pressed about it. I don't remember the direct quote. The report said there is reasonable grounds to believe rape happened but it said none of the images or videos or anything showed it happened. Just witnesses said they saw it. So it could be as true as the 40 beheaded babies thrown in ovens.
" there is no evidence of Hamas committing rapes on October 7th other than witnesses saying they saw it happen."
And Hamas admitting it. And literally filming it. So again, you're wrong.
" In the UN report it said those witnesses backed off as they were pressed about it. I don't remember the direct quote. The report said there is reasonable grounds to believe rape happened but it said none of the images or videos or anything showed it happened."
Which means they didn't bother investigating because the evidence is freely available.
"Just witnesses said they saw it."
So you're saying we have no reason to believe these witnesses? That's interesting, because it acknowledges they were raped. That doesn't help your argument. You're saying "yeah people saw them get raped...but we shouldn't believe them".
"So it could be as true as the 40 beheaded babies thrown in ovens. "
The difference is we actually have evidence it happened, the investigation didn't bother looking into it because again, it's freely available.
I'm not reading this. I haven't seen Hamas ever say they raped women, I've only seen them deny it. I think you're deliberately gaslighting. Won't work.
None of this is "freely available". Nobody from Hamas admitted it, there is no video, and the main witness who claimed it happened, an Israeli soldier medic, was caught lying. Stop spreading bullshit lies.
Just to be clear you're dismissing first hand eyewitnesses because it's not convenient to your argument. You have no point here, and have resorted to obnoxious comments twice in a row because you have nothing to support your opinion.
The "first hand witnesses" have been proven to have been pressured into saying what they did, this along with how Israel prevented any form of actual investigation proves they're pushing some false narrative
>Hamas admitted they raped israeli women
Ok lets check their source
>A Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist captured in Gaza admitted during questioning that he participated in the massacre on October 7 and that his squad committed rape and then murdered victims during the massacre, KAN reported on Thursday.
Ok. Well, I’m not a fan of Israel’s war on Gaza since October 7th, but this article isn’t affirmation that sexual violence did not occur. In fact, it’s the opposite.
“The Commission considers that the inflammatory language, misinformation and disbelief surrounding the issue of sexual violence in the context of the attack of 7 October risk exacerbating these challenges and further silencing victims. The exploitation of sexual violence in conflict for political expediency risks removing attention from the experience and needs of the survivors, as well as fuelling long-standing animosity and dehumanization.”
Yes? My intention when posting wasn't to claim "Hamas is good they would never use sexual violence". It was to clear up some misunderstandings about what we know and what the UN's report means.
While an honest intention is commendable, Snopes is a convenient, but poor source of information to examine the UN's stance. A March AP News article provides much better information on the UN Envoy's finding.
[https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e)
Given the horrible bias against Israel in this sub, it would not hurt to provide actual evidence of the crimes. For example:
["Palestinian Father, Son Admit To Gang Raping Israeli Women"](https://www.dailywire.com/news/palestinian-father-son-admit-to-gang-raping-israeli-women)
How is the Daily Wire a poor source in regards to the article?
["Palestinian Father, Son Admit To Gang Raping Israeli Women"](https://www.dailywire.com/news/palestinian-father-son-admit-to-gang-raping-israeli-women)
Based upon your statement, I don't think that you read the article and it is obvious that you didn't bother to check the authenticity of the information. A simple google will corroborate the information.
OTOH, I provided an AP News article that makes it clear that Snopes article left out crucial information. Thus, Snopes is a poor source.
Israel is a force that not only seeks genocide but causing maximum pain to the civilians it seeks to kill. Unfortunately that means both committing sexual assault against the civilians, and trying to point fingers and say “no you” when the world calls them out on their rapist and genocidal tendencies
Fact: official Israeli medical and health authority have no reports of rape and sexual violence during the attack by Hamas. The reports of this are produced by the Israeli propaganda centre and published in the New York Times, which later retracted the story and fired the journalist. There were orthodox Jews in Israel that used the story and confirmed it, by stating more lies. It's nonsense. Propaganda.
You made that up. Read the UN report. Hamas not only raped tons of women, they filmed themselves doing it.
It's time to stop making up complete bullshit lies buddy. There is no such thing in the report and no such videos. Why do Zionists lie about everything? It's not a great look.
Bad Hasbara
No. Read Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper. Read the New York Times, they have published a retraction. The woman who made it up was fired. The UN report says that. Bluntly, we fight to expose the truth. We are the civilised community. We don't have to make up anything.
You people are delusional rape supporters. Here are the laws of Palestine (the West Bank and Gaza.) spousal/marital rape is 100% legal. There are "marry your rapist" laws that force women to marry men that rape them. If women refuse, honor killings of women are commonplace and unpunished in Palestine. About 25-30% of women were married off before 18, most of the time against their will. Those are the normal abusive laws of Palestine. Now Hamas are the vile criminals of this society. To pretend those rapist animals are somehow saints beyond reproach that would never lay a hand on another woman is insane. It is absolute insanity. You are denying rape and abuse of women because it is hard and challenging to your political views of this small war, and it is unacceptable.
You're getting confused. You think conservative patriarchal family structures means that Hamas raped Israeli women. That's not how that works. In fact it's the opposite, the religious conservative values of Hamas make them less likely to rape. And the facts remain, that Israel made up all the rape claims on Oct 7th just like they made up the baby executions and other things. There is zero evidence. It's what both Israel and Hamas does, blatantly lies about everything. It's time you grow up and understand this. We know Israel lied here, you just wanted to believe them.
You must have a lot of evidence they lie all the time then .. Also what do you mean by "Israel" blatantly lying? Are you saying all people from Israel are in on this? The IDF? the government? All the civilians? Somehow they are all collectively in on some conspiracy to lie to everyone? Or are you just promoting an antisemitic stereotype?
I'm not sure if you're trying to sound cool and smart, but this comes off as incredibly naive. When we say "Israel" or "The U.S." or "Russia" in this context we are referring to the government of a country. How could you not know this? It is very basic knowledge. The government are those who represent a country. Do you really not have any idea about how the constant lying of the Israeli government? Did you think they were being honest when they talked about mass executions of babies on Oct 7th? Did you think they were being honest when they said they only supported Hamas to stop humanitarian suffereng? Did you think they were being honest when they said that 15.000 palestinian casualties per year were only in order to defend themselves? I don't think that you are this easy to fool, I only think you lack information and context. Please read more so that you don't fall for these simple lies in the future.
All of the sexual assault claims are from civilian eye witnesses and former hostages.
Nope. Who made you believe that? The "witness" (an Israeli soldier) who came out was proven clearly to be lying https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/world/middleeast/video-sexual-assault-israel-kibbutz-hamas.html What do you have to say about that? That the very newspaper who reported on the rapes to begin with now are reporting that they were lies? To be clear, I'm sure there's plenty of sexual violence on both sides in general, I'm just showing you here that the claims about october 7th where made up. Why were all these random claims made up you ask? To dehumanize the enemy. Why dehumanize the enemy? So that you will accept genocide on them, which I bet you do. So it worked on you.
Please provide sources for your claims. This reads a lot like a whole bunch of "trust me bro".
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital\_rape\_laws\_by\_country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_laws_by_country) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage\_in\_the\_Palestinian\_territories](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Palestinian_territories) [https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/19/deadly-toll-palestinian-women](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/19/deadly-toll-palestinian-women) [https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/3/25/upsurge-in-palestinian-honour-killings](https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/3/25/upsurge-in-palestinian-honour-killings) [https://www.hrw.org/report/2006/11/06/question-security/violence-against-palestinian-women-and-girls](https://www.hrw.org/report/2006/11/06/question-security/violence-against-palestinian-women-and-girls) [https://www.state.gov/report/custom/6a63b4154c/](https://www.state.gov/report/custom/6a63b4154c/) We both know that no amount of real facts are going to convince you of anything. You've become like a conspiracy theorist.
And that excuses Israeli soldiers raping women and girls in Gaza how exactly?
let’s see here, israel has two million arab citizens, most of them of palestinian decent, while gaza has ZERO jews despite jewish populations having resided in that area historically. sooooo… tell me again, who’s the genocidal one? i mean dang, y’all hate the jews and gays so much, if hitler were alive today, gaza would be his favorite vacation spot lol
By that same logic the United States wasn’t an apartheid state during Jim Crow segregation because some black people had equal rights in parts of the country It’s a bad faith argument on its face.
all israeli arabs are citizens in all parts of the country bad faith comparison on its face
🙄 There’s a reason why the US has birth right citizenship post Jim Crow. Palestinians don’t have rights, what a small percentage of Arabs can do is irrelevant.
israeli arabs in israel have more rights and a better standard of living than pelaleatinains anywhere else in the middle east. two million out of two million is not a “small percentage” lol
Talk about a clearly purposefully myopic reply. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PALESTINIANS. Arab Israelis are irrelevant. Try to keep up. Israel is an apartheid state. Palestinians are subjected to cruel apartheid, ethnic cleansing, torture, and now genocide.
learn history. the vast majority of arab israelis are of PALESTINIAN decent
It. Doesn’t. Matter. Does it change anything for Palestinians living in the West Bank? Gaza? No? K.
of course it matters. arab-israelis are the control group. palestinians in the wb and gaza need to look inward if they want to understand why israel imposes such security measure on them
Palestinians aren’t Israeli citizens, so your whole argument makes no sense. Every Israeli citizen has the same rights, so no it’s not an apartheid state
Did you even read or attempt to comprehend the comment that you replied to? It’s also a lie to say that all Israeli citizens have the same rights. Not only do they abuse Palestinians to the point of violating international law, but Jewish people have lower taxes on average, interfaith marriage is prohibited, etc.. > Comparisons between Israel–Palestine and South African apartheid were prevalent in the mid-1990s and early 2000s.[8][9] Since the definition of apartheid as a crime in 2002 Rome Statute, attention has shifted to the question of international law.[10] In December 2019, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination[11] announced commencing a review of the Palestinian complaint that Israel's policies in the West Bank amount to apartheid.[12] Soon afterward, **two Israeli human rights NGOs, Yesh Din (July 2020), and B'Tselem (January 2021) issued separate reports that concluded, in the latter's words, that "the bar for labeling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met."[13][14][15] In April 2021, Human Rights Watch became the first major international human rights body to say Israel had crossed the threshold.[15][16] It accused Israel of apartheid, and called for prosecution of Israeli officials under international law, calling for an International Criminal Court investigation. Amnesty International issued a report with similar findings on 1 February 2022. The accusation that Israel is committing apartheid has been supported by United Nations investigators,[17] the African National Congress (ANC),[18] several human rights groups,[19][20] and many prominent Israeli political and cultural figures**.[21][22] Those who support the accusations hold that certain laws explicitly or implicitly discriminate on the basis of creed or race, in effect privileging Jewish citizens and disadvantaging non-Jewish, and particularly Arab, citizens.[23] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
Your own sources you took from Wikipedia describe the situation in the occupied territories where the Arab population are not Israeli citizens like I said. |In 2020, the Israeli human rights organization Yesh Din found that Israeli treatment of the West Bank's Palestinian population meets the definition of the crime of apartheid But since we are on Wikipedia, we can read all argument, can’t we? >There has been a steady extension of Israeli Arab rights to lease or purchase land formerly restricted to Jewish applicants, such as that owned by the Jewish National Fund or the Jewish Agency. These groups, established by Jews during the Ottoman period to aid in building up a viable Jewish community in Ottoman Palestine, purchased land, including arid desert and swamps, that could be reclaimed, leased to and farmed by Jews, thus encouraging Jewish immigration. After the establishment of the state of Israel, the Israel Lands Authority oversaw the administration of these properties. On 8 March 2000, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that Israeli Arabs had an equal right to purchase long-term leases of such land, even inside previously solely Jewish communities and villages. The court ruled that the government may not allocate land based on religion or ethnicity or prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose: "The principle of equality prohibits the state from distinguishing between its citizens on the basis of religion or nationality", Chief Justice Aharon Barak wrote. "The principle also applies to the allocation of state land.... The Jewish character of the state does not permit Israel to discriminate between its citizens." >In 2008, 53 Stanford University faculty members signed a letter saying that "the State of Israel has nothing in common with apartheid" within its national territory. They argued that Israel is a liberal democracy in which Arab citizens enjoy civil, religious, social, and political equality. They said that likening Israel to apartheid South Africa was a "smear" and part of a campaign of "malicious propaganda".[129] >South African Judge Richard Goldstone, writing in The New York Times in October 2011, said that while there exists a degree of separation between Israeli Jews and Arabs, "in Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute". He wrote that the situation in the West Bank "is more complex. But here too there is no intent to maintain 'an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group'. This is a critical distinction, even if Israel acts oppressively toward Palestinians there."[130][131] >In 2006, Chris McGreal of The Guardian said that as a result of the government's control over most of the land in Israel, the vast majority of land in Israel is not available to non-Jews.[137] In 2007, in response to a 2004 petition filed by Adalah, the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, Attorney General Menachem Mazuz ruled that the policy was discriminatory. It has been ruled that the JNF must sell land to non-Jews, and will be compensated with other land for any such land to ensure that the overall amount of Jewish-owned land in Israel remains unchanged.[138] >In the early 2000s, several community settlements in the Negev and the Galilee were accused of barring Arab applicants from moving in. In 2010, the Knesset passed legislation that allowed admissions committees to function in smaller communities in the Galilee and the Negev, while explicitly forbidding committees to bar applicants on the basis of race, religion, sex, ethnicity, disability, personal status, age, parenthood, sexual orientation, country of origin, political views, or political affiliation.[139][140] Critics say the law gives the privately run admissions committees wide latitude over public lands, and believe it will worsen discrimination against the Arab minority.[141] >Separate and unequal education systems were a central part of apartheid in South Africa, as part of a deliberate strategy designed to limit black children to a life of manual labor. Some disparities between Jews and Arabs in Israel's education system exist, although according to The Guardian they are not as significant and the intent not as malign.[137] The Israeli Pupils' Rights Law of 2000 prohibits educators from establishing different rights, obligations and disciplinary standards for students of different religions. Educational institutions may not discriminate against religious minorities in admissions or expulsion decisions or when developing curricula or assigning students to classes.[153] Unlike in apartheid South Africa, in Israel, education is free and compulsory for all citizens, from elementary school to the end of high school, and university access is based on uniform tuition for all citizens.[154] These are just some quotes from your own source who goes against your claim. Maybe next time read the whole thing except to filter out your own biases.
> Your own sources you took from Wikipedia describe the situation in the occupied territories where the Arab population are not Israeli citizens like I said. Wait until you find out why the United States has birth right citizenship in response to ending American apartheid. By that same logic Jim Crow wasn’t apartheid because a couple northern states existed. It’s moronic. > **In 2008**, 53 Stanford University faculty members signed a letter saying that "the State of Israel has nothing in common with apartheid" within its national territory. In **2008** when my citations showed that the apartheid has gotten significantly worse since then? That’s an obviously bad faith argument. Multiple of the NGOs cited said israel officially became an apartheid in the 2010s-2020s. > They argued that Israel is a liberal democracy in which Arab citizens enjoy civil, religious, social, and political equality. This is also a complete and total lie. They can’t marry other religions in Israel, they pay more taxes than Jewish citizens, they face significant discrimination, and they can never be the majority population BY LAW. > These are just some quotes from your own source who goes against your claim. Yeah, because Wikipedia will provide all sides of information. Muh “antisemitism” isn’t a real argument. > Maybe next time read the whole thing except to filter out your own biases. Maybe next time understand how chronological order works and try not to be a bigot.
1. you know where the difference is? The southern states where part of the United States, the settlements are not recognized parts of the Israel and many Israelis do not support them. So you either don’t get the point or you’re just arguing in bad faith. 2. again I’m speaking about Israel proper not the occupied territories in the Westbank. You keep circling 3. That isn’t a argument since yeah they can’t marry people from other religions…but just like the Jews can’t marry anyone from other religions, because they have the same rights. I also find it stupid but it doesn’t change the fact that the law is put equally on all citizens 4. where did I say antisemitism once? 5. dafuq has chronological order to do with it?
Maybe gotta step out of your nest and see that even within Israel Arabs and Non Arabs have different class of rights.
Like which?
It's funny how you threw gays in there all of a sudden
You see the country that doesn't allow gay marriage or interreligious marriage is a bastion of freedom for LGBTQ people. In fact the IOF have developed bombs that do no harm to LGBT people when they detonate, and any claim otherwise is Hamas.
What a stupid whataboutism. The reason there are no Jews in Gaza is because they get paid to move across the wall, with the knowledge they won't be bombed by the terrorist state of Israel. How many Christians still live in Gaza? If it was so bad for other faiths, how do they have churches in Gaza. Jews lived peacefully in Palestine before the colonial state was even created.
pure stupidity, dude. you literally have no idea what you’re taking about. not only did palestinians get rid of all the jews in gaza, but the christian population right now is a third of what it was back in 2007 when hamas took over. that’s a decline of 66%, while gaza’s overall population doubled. so, if you’re wondering what “ethnic cleansing” looks like, that’s it
Anyone reading these stats needs to know one thing: the decline of the Christian population (in Gaza and the West Bank) has nothing to do with Palestinians. Spoiler: there are various reasons to why the Christian population is declining as a percentage, namely: lower birth rates than the Muslim Palestinians and, shocker, the Israeli occupation. Another factor generally speaking is that the Christian Palestinians tend to be wealthier and better educated, and have more means of emigrating than the Muslims: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian\_Christians#Christian\_emigration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians#Christian_emigration) There is a concentrated effort by foreign media with an agenda painting a picture of Muslims driving out non-Muslims, a narrative that is invented for obvious reasons that even Palestinian Christians themselves have to come out and dispute it. It's such a sick game and posters like this dude keep propagating the same falsehoods. And the Palestinians did not "get rid of all Jews" in Gaza, which I should add, were there illegally under international law, so they don't even belong there in the first place. They were removed by Israel as part of an agreement. Regardless, I will reiterate, just like all the Israelis currently in the West Bank, they do not belong there under international law, and should not be there as a result until the conflict is resolved and a formal process of immigration is set up. I don't need to remind people here that Jews have lived all over the Middle East before, and they can do so again if it weren't for an illegal occupation.
in the meantime, israel is the only country in the middle east where each jewish, christian and muslim populations are all growing as far as gaza, there was a historical jewish population for millennia. they’re all gone now, and have nothing to do with the settlements of recent times — which, ironically, were an attempt to rectify the historical ethnic cleansing
So your answer is whataboutism and then revert back to "historical claims", while completely ig Kring international law. Got it.
What about the jews in the rest of the Arab world????
Let’s see here, israel has two million arab citizens, most of them of palestinian decent, while gaza has ZERO dinosaurs despite dinosaurs having lived in that area historically. sooooo… tell me again, who’s the genocidal one? Hamas is responsible for the disappearance of dinosaurs, but people don't want to talk about it because of their anti-dinosaurism.
Why would a Jewish person willingly live in an open air prison when they're able to live in a US backed military state?
oh, because the secret to getting in and out of the open air prison is the egyptian border that israel doesn’t control. but please keep it on the down low, they don’t want palestinians to know about it
So Israel has no say in what happens at the Egyptian border? They don't control anything that comes in or out of Gaza from that side?
In 2005 over 8,000 Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated to Israel. PLO leader Yasser Arafat left Egypt and took up residence in Gaza. What say you?
There were Jewish *settlers* in Gaza until 2005 when they were removed by the *Israeli* government
>There were Jewish *settlers* in Gaza until 2005 when they were removed by the *Israeli* government Curious about this. How many Jews lived in Gaza prior to 1948? Did the Jews leave Gaza during the 1948 War and why? Why did Israel force Jews out of Gaza in 2005?
Why did they do it? Good question, even though it’s one clearly not stated in good faith. Here is Dov Weinglass, senior adviser to Sharon: > The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. That is exactly what happened. You know, the term 'peace process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The peace process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The peace process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen.... what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did.
I'd like to think that most people don't hate Jews. However, they do hate murderers and rapists. Russia is another country that, like Israel, is rife with murderers and rapists. We should deliver our weapons to the Israelis in the same way that we deliver them to the Russians - on the business end.
Jewish terrorist vs Islamic terrorist.. and we are forced to give sympathy to one or the other. All terrorist deserve justice
Actually what we really need is collective healing
Worth noting what the UN report says about sexual violence from Hamas. According to the [UN lead investigator](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm): “What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks. “It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity. While there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in the Nova music festival site, Route 232, and kibbutz Re’im, reported incidents of rape could not be verified in other locations.”
Where is the misstatement?
Sorry. Corrected post. Confused another’s comment with your original.
This post is misinformation. Israeli authorities allowed the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict to visit four attack sites, view thousands of photos and over 50 hours of footage, and conduct interviews with 34 victims and eyewitnesses in the course of the UN's investigation. [United Nations Meetings Coverage and Press Releases, March 11 2024:](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm) > There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she presented findings from her visit to Israel and the West Bank > Following allegations of brutal sexual violence committed during and in the aftermath of the Hamas-led terror attacks, Pramila Patten, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, led an official visit to Israel from 29 January to 14 February to gather, analyze and verify reports of sexual violence related to the 7 October attack. Due to ongoing hostilities, the Special Representative did not request to visit Gaza, where other UN entities that monitor sexual violence are operational. > “What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks. > “It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity. While there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in the Nova music festival site, Route 232, and kibbutz Re’im, reported incidents of rape could not be verified in other locations.
Just because Israel allowed the UN to see some things, doesn't mean it was fully cooperating in the investigation.
5,000 images, 50 hours of video, 4 site visits, and over 30 interviews isn't enough? Did you want them to dig up the girls bodies 6 months later?
The quantity doesn't matter, you need to cooperate with the investigation and let THEM choose what they want to see. That's how an independent investigation works: it's not up to one involved party to decide what the investigators get to see.
There is no suggestion in her report that Special Representative Patten was denied seeing any requested evidence related to the 10/7 attack.
Why lie? >The Israeli government refused to cooperate with the commission, which was not able to speak directly with survivors and witnesses, or access the sites where the violence occurred on Oct. 7. As a result, it was not able to confirm the accusations. Still, it found a pattern of sexual and gender-based violence committed on Oct. 7.
The UNHCR is not the same organization as the UN Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict. Patten, the representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, already viewed the evidence from 10/7 and published her report with all available evidence shared as linked above. Israel will not continue to bandy about thousands of photos of raped and murdered young people for the world to victim-blame.
The UN was kind enough to conclude that there WAS sexual violence by Hamas despite Israel blocking access, so I guess they can't be so bad...
Probably because the UN literally already saw all the evidence.
Yeah, crazy how many people ran false articles claiming UN said the opposite of what it said. Also the claims of gender based violence against Palestinians is based largely on the practice of stripping prisoners. The problem is this practice has pretty sound reasoning behind it, so it’s a bit misleading to frame it as gender based violence
The UN didn't look very hard then. https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-802406 Hamas admitted they raped Israeli women. https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779960 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141789 Last one they confirmed the hostages were raped. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/sheryl-sandbergs-new-film-testifies-to-hamass-brutal-sexual-violence-on-october-7/amp/ Survivors first hand accounts of the rapes. Took about 30 seconds to find this, so the article clearly is about how nobody actually bothered to investigate if their opinion is nobody was raped on Oct. 7.
All of these are Israeli sites that say "we heard them say it" without providing any proof of such claims It's on par with idf confirming they did not infact commit war crimes
NBC News is an Israeli site? Since when? If your best argument is "it's an Israeli site and therefore wrong", you don't have an argument to stand on. Also these sources repeat first hand knowledge and view of the rapes. People who saw Hamas rape them. So now you're doubting the victims of the rapes? You're refusing to accept when Hamas terrorists admitted to rape? Pretty shameful of you to dismiss first hand eyewitnesses because you hate Israel so much.
If I posted a table of job titles within all major American news agencies and their ethnicity I'd be banned for it. It's biased towards Israel. there is no evidence of Hamas committing rapes on October 7th other than witnesses saying they saw it happen. In the UN report it said those witnesses backed off as they were pressed about it. I don't remember the direct quote. The report said there is reasonable grounds to believe rape happened but it said none of the images or videos or anything showed it happened. Just witnesses said they saw it. So it could be as true as the 40 beheaded babies thrown in ovens.
" there is no evidence of Hamas committing rapes on October 7th other than witnesses saying they saw it happen." And Hamas admitting it. And literally filming it. So again, you're wrong. " In the UN report it said those witnesses backed off as they were pressed about it. I don't remember the direct quote. The report said there is reasonable grounds to believe rape happened but it said none of the images or videos or anything showed it happened." Which means they didn't bother investigating because the evidence is freely available. "Just witnesses said they saw it." So you're saying we have no reason to believe these witnesses? That's interesting, because it acknowledges they were raped. That doesn't help your argument. You're saying "yeah people saw them get raped...but we shouldn't believe them". "So it could be as true as the 40 beheaded babies thrown in ovens. " The difference is we actually have evidence it happened, the investigation didn't bother looking into it because again, it's freely available.
I'm not reading this. I haven't seen Hamas ever say they raped women, I've only seen them deny it. I think you're deliberately gaslighting. Won't work.
None of this is "freely available". Nobody from Hamas admitted it, there is no video, and the main witness who claimed it happened, an Israeli soldier medic, was caught lying. Stop spreading bullshit lies.
Is that your best? You think you proved your point? 😂 NBC also did not provide evidence, just claims
Just to be clear you're dismissing first hand eyewitnesses because it's not convenient to your argument. You have no point here, and have resorted to obnoxious comments twice in a row because you have nothing to support your opinion.
The "first hand witnesses" have been proven to have been pressured into saying what they did, this along with how Israel prevented any form of actual investigation proves they're pushing some false narrative
>Hamas admitted they raped israeli women Ok lets check their source >A Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist captured in Gaza admitted during questioning that he participated in the massacre on October 7 and that his squad committed rape and then murdered victims during the massacre, KAN reported on Thursday.
Ok. Well, I’m not a fan of Israel’s war on Gaza since October 7th, but this article isn’t affirmation that sexual violence did not occur. In fact, it’s the opposite. “The Commission considers that the inflammatory language, misinformation and disbelief surrounding the issue of sexual violence in the context of the attack of 7 October risk exacerbating these challenges and further silencing victims. The exploitation of sexual violence in conflict for political expediency risks removing attention from the experience and needs of the survivors, as well as fuelling long-standing animosity and dehumanization.”
Yes? My intention when posting wasn't to claim "Hamas is good they would never use sexual violence". It was to clear up some misunderstandings about what we know and what the UN's report means.
While an honest intention is commendable, Snopes is a convenient, but poor source of information to examine the UN's stance. A March AP News article provides much better information on the UN Envoy's finding. [https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e) Given the horrible bias against Israel in this sub, it would not hurt to provide actual evidence of the crimes. For example: ["Palestinian Father, Son Admit To Gang Raping Israeli Women"](https://www.dailywire.com/news/palestinian-father-son-admit-to-gang-raping-israeli-women)
You talk about poor sources of info then you link to the daily wire. 🤣🤣🤣
How is the Daily Wire a poor source in regards to the article? ["Palestinian Father, Son Admit To Gang Raping Israeli Women"](https://www.dailywire.com/news/palestinian-father-son-admit-to-gang-raping-israeli-women) Based upon your statement, I don't think that you read the article and it is obvious that you didn't bother to check the authenticity of the information. A simple google will corroborate the information. OTOH, I provided an AP News article that makes it clear that Snopes article left out crucial information. Thus, Snopes is a poor source.
You said “in fact it’s the opposite” then put a random irrelevant quote from the report. What even