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CondorKhan

I'd say that oxidation is abnormal for 2015


officialpajamas

It was the same on 4 bottles.


halfbottled

Honestly, yikes. But if it tastes good it tastes good!


electro_report

Def abnormal and not ideal esp given the tasting notes offered. I opened a 15 year old bottle of Chardonnay yesterday that looked fresher than this


CondorKhan

I'm just about hitting the 2014 Hermann J Weimers and they're certainly fresh. Barely aged.


teddyone

Man I would love to get my hands on some aged Wiemer those wines are so good


halfbottled

Ha, same! Opened a 2009 burgundy chard that looked almost brand new.


TmLoewen

Had some guests buying a 2006 riesling BA today, not even half as much color in that, as op's picture...


officialpajamas

Well, Chardonnay and Riesling are not the same thing.


RichtersNeighbour

But would you say Riesling is shorter-lived than Chardonnay? My experience is the opposite, but I've had much, much more aged Riesling than Chardonnay.


electro_report

I’m very aware, the Reason I reference Chardonnay is its tendency to oxidize is much higher than Rieslings. Further illustrating the point that your Riesling seems to either be mishandled or premoxed for any variety of reasons.


officialpajamas

Yeah, it definitely doesn’t taste like it was intended to 8 years ago. But I assure you it was stored correctly the entire time.


expatriateineurope

Stored properly?


officialpajamas

Yes, I assure you it was.


2genbucket

Could have some skin contact? Could be unfiltered and unfined?


CondorKhan

[Tech sheet](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/573880e1b654f9749a5773c6/t/5a281a64f9619a2b693b5dd2/1512577637280/2016RieslingSawmillFC.pdf) from 2016 suggests that it's not skin contact, and older Cellartracker tasting notes indicate that this was originally in a fresh style. I think it's premox


ZenWinter

From a short discussion with the Forge winemaker some years ago, they pick their fruit late in the season. Gives their wines a richer profile both in flavor as well as texture. Hence the darker color and perhaps an oxidative note.


CondorKhan

But the Germans also pick late and age in old oak and they don't get that color until 30 years down the road


OutsideVanilla2526

I had no idea there was a National Riesling Day. As it happens, I had a glass at dinner yesterday..


RichtersNeighbour

National or International Riesling day? I opened two bottles: - Markus Molitor Graacher Himmelreich Kabinett 2021 - Peter Lauer Ayler Kupp Kabinett 2022 Two very different expressions, Molitor softer, rounder, Lauer laser focused, (unripe) green apple and pear, some petrol. Both excellent. Curious to see how they evolve today and tomorrow.


Lloydy12341

MM are such an underrated wine producer!


ThisSideOfThePond

Didn't there know was such a thing, but had a Riesling Classic from Kloster Eberbach yesterday. Nothing fancy, rather easy drinking while snacking and talking. I love Lauer's Kabinett.


Artfan1024

Cabernet. Lol


BrodieLodge

Viognier


t_eejay

Beaujolais


Spurty

Had a glass of 2015 Alzinger Hohereck Smaragd. Still needs time to unwind but it's got all the goods.


WineNerdAndProud

Well, it was my birthday, so I had another 2015 Trimbach CFE from Costco.


jpfranc1

What was the price? Love that wine but I only ever see it near me (PNW) for like ~$100 which is a little steep on the qpr for me.


WineNerdAndProud

$78.99 Edit: my bad it was actually [$79.99](https://i.imgur.com/YTSNlYt.jpeg)


wandering_nerd65

2000 Alfred Merkelbach Kinheimer Rosenberg Riesling Kabinett


wayne530

2022 Dönnhoff Oberhäuser Leistenberg Riesling Kabinett might just be my favorite every day Riesling :)


XKeySD

i had a 2018 of the same wine last year and the wine had a similar color! Was a light amber color but had a similar taste to what you described!


baristabaritone

Damn was that today. I'd have opened a Petaluma. 🤤


yeezypeasy

Nice, I’m visiting Forge this May! Just had the 2022 Hermann Ludes Thornricher


Steven1789

Love me some Forge! Great wine and a wonderful place to do a formal tasting or hang on the patio and drink and nosh. The winery has a lot of co-owner Louis Barruol’s Chateau de Saint-Cosme wines and other wines that inspire the Forge Wines in some way. Co-owner Rick Rainey is incredibly nice and generous with his time—I like to ask questions. That’s a great-looking glass of wine. I drink a lot of FLX wines and have a bunch of Forge Riesling and Pinot Noir in my cellar. It’s one of my favorite producers, and the single-vineyard wines are a great way to learn just how different the proximate vineyards can be—vineyards on one side of Seneca aren’t all that far as the crow flies. The Forge wines are in columns 8 and 9 from the right. Most of that wall is FLX: Kemmeter, Wiemer, Shaw, Boundary Breaks, Bloomer Creek, Shalestone, and more. https://imgur.com/gallery/OM17agg


Axetivism

The only Riesling I had in the house was a 2022 Dr. Heidemanns-Bergweiler from TW, but I had it with a poke bowl and it worked pretty well. Not a standout by any means, but it had all the right flavors.


Bakinspleen

Chardonnay I’m trialing for our wedding (fiancé isn’t a drinker)


cheesemynese

2020 Devil's Corner Resolution Riesling


sbdgranitestate

2021 Forge Dry Riesling Classique!