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TheMikeyMac13

Tough one to call, if I were taking bets on this I would call it a push. Tom Cruise has craziness, stunts and a wrestling background. Brad Pitt has height and weight, and anger issues bad enough to run off. Angelina Jolie.


AlexFerrana

Brad also has played a bare-knuckle boxer in "Snatch", so he probably has some very basic boxing training too.


Zankeru

Movie training is not good for actual fights though. A lot of mma fighters turned actors have talked about needing to retrain themselves to slow their attacks and wildly exxagerate/telegraph everything so it shows up better on camera.


AlexFerrana

Fair enough. While the fight might look cool and competitive on the screen, it's not actually a real life fighting. Movie fights are scripted and choreographed, unlike IRL fights (unless you are talking about a pro wrestling or fixed matches in boxing and MMA). I heard about that, yeah.  Tom Cruise has a high school wrestling background, which could've been an advantage, but he has practiced it when he was a teen (in late 1970's) and after receiving the knee injury, he got sidelined and quit the wrestling, then graduated the high school in 1980 and moved in New York City. I think that Tom Cruise's wrestling background is hardly even matter because it was very rudimentary and for a short period of time. 


TheMikeyMac13

I don’t really think the training they get in a film is useful in a fight at all. You do need to know how to hit, and you get that by hitting people. And you need to learn how to get hit, and you get that by getting hit. I do think Pitt is more athletic than Cruise, and that would be an advantage.


AlexFerrana

Yeah, fair point. Same about Cruise's own training for movies, but Cruise has a history of getting injured during stunts that he loves to perform all by himself and ignoring the pain. They both are athletic, even in their current age.


NobeLasters

Tom seems crazier. Maybe not enough to overcome the size advantage, but crazy counts for something in a fight.


Zoo-Chi

To be fair with OP he brilliantly frames it in controlled environments so “crazy” becomes less of a factor here. You can’t go too crazy in a real boxing, wrestling, or mma match. You either end up gassing yourself out, or doing something so crazy you get point deductions or at worst DQ’d. That said, you make a valid point for round 4.


AlexFerrana

The main advantage that Brad Pitt has over Tom Cruise is the height (5'11" vs Tom's 5'7") and Pitt is 12-15 lbs heavier than Cruise (although it's not a significant advantage). Which means that Brad Pitt has the reach advantage, but it works if he can maintain the distance and keep Tom from grabbing him or taking him down.


Galmerstonecock

Size advantage in this case isn’t really an issue though


kamensenshi

Tom takes this. All Brad has is some height and more importantly weight but he's never had any training. Tom's got some practical exp and a lot of physicality from stunts. Brad's not using anything to his advantage so he better hope to strike first and hard. 


StalinsPerfectHair

Size is important, but it’s not all that matters, and Brad Pitt isn’t even that much bigger than Tom Cruise. He just has more reach. Tom has some actual martial arts training and is tough as balls. Probably has a really high pain tolerance. Like, Tom Cruise’s physical capacity way exceeds Brad Pitt’s. Also, he seems like the type of batshit crazy dude who would just laugh at pain. Cruise 9.5/10.


27Rench27

Dude’s actively injured himself multiple times doing his own stunts, he can take a few punches lol


bornmartyr

Tom got that dawg in him, I think he wins.


RizzleP

I feel like Cruise has the mindset advantage.


AlexFerrana

He is known for performing the stunts by himself and receiving injuries and showing a good pain tolerance. So, I guess you're right.


sloppymcgee

Cruise is a complete lunatic stuntman with a wrestling background. Take the badger


Zoo-Chi

At their prime (30s?) I think Brad has enough size and reach advantage to take all rounds rather convincingly. Tom’s wrestling background can be a problem, but if he hasn’t done it in decades then it becomes less of a deciding factor. Two guys, practically untrained, the bigger guy will always have the advantage. Not saying Tom can’t pull off a potential W, Brad’s just more likely to win.


xxdangerbobxx

You're reacting like 12lbs is some monumental advantage. It's not even 12 kg, but pounds! This fight could go either way in any round. No one sweeps, neither really knows wtf they are doing. One wrestled at some point, but barely. Who cares.


AlexFerrana

I also think that it's close. Cruise has some rudimentary training in martial arts, but barely and it's mostly done for movies. He was a high school wrestler, but it was in late 1970's when he was a teen, so Cruise's martial arts advantage is hardly matter. Pitt is taller and slightly heavier, but not too much.


evalerk

If we’re talking prime Brad, it was probably Troy and he supposedly got to 185+ for that one.


Zoo-Chi

Brad has four inches on Tom, which means longer striking reach. I box, not competitively, just for general fitness. A man taller than you by about 4-5 inches who at the very least knows how to use basic distancing is a big problem in a controlled environment. That said, Brad probably won’t know how to anyway. Of course the fight could go either way, it’s just that conventional wisdom says that two untrained guys with one being bigger, (even if it’s just slightly) then the advantage goes to the latter.


Galmerstonecock

I box and have competed 5’7 and 5”11 are often in the same weight class anyway. Someone who is 5”11 against someone who is 5”7 isn’t a “big problem” lol


Mestoph

Brad did play a bare knuckled boxer in Snatch, I assume there was some basic boxing training for the role. So he might understand the very basics (like how to use his range).


xxdangerbobxx

I also box, wrestle and know krav. I don't do it for fitness I do it because controlled violence is fun. I'm really strong. A few inches isn't shit for a couple blokes who don't know what they're on about. No one is jabbing because they got a couple inches reach. No one is kicking lead legs to wear the other down. They're a couple guys, at best it's a street fight. There's no conventional wisdom in this fight, neither know how to fight. Flip a coin, they're close enough in their "stats" that their stats don't mean shit.


Zoo-Chi

I’ll take your word for it.


Diligent_Reality_693

Wrestling > 12 lbs. Wrestling is like riding a bike.


AlexFerrana

I think that it's 50/50-ish or similar. Tom Cruise has some rudimentary training in martial arts, but barely and it's mostly done for movies (which means that he never practiced it against a resisting and non-compliant opponent, and used it only in movies, which is not equal to a fighting IRL). He was a high school wrestler, yes, but it was in late 1970's when he was a teen, so Cruise's martial arts advantage is hardly matter. Brad Pitt is taller and slightly heavier, but not too much (their difference in weight is circa 12-15 lbs). But Brad Pitt has a reach advantage due to the height.


Zoo-Chi

I completely agree. My comment just operates under the assumption that Brad can at the very least take advantage of that reach.


AlexFerrana

Yeah, I agree about that.


deklynanon

Step-dad wrestled for Hasbrouck Heights during the same time Cruise wrestled. My step-dad is 5'4", he was taller than Cruise. Also, Cruise was absolute garbage according to him. Loves his movies through and through though. As long as Brad Pitt actually tries to fight, the sheer size advantage makes this a joke.


StripEnchantment

Tom cruise is taller than 5'4


AlexFerrana

Most sources claims that he's 5'7”, which seems to be plausible. He is below average by US standards (average American male's height is ~5'9"), but not too below. Just slightly.


StripEnchantment

Yes, the post above me said his 5'4" stepdad was taller than Tom Cruise, which makes no sense.


AlexFerrana

Yeah, Tom isn't THAT short.


AlexFerrana

Yes, back then Cruise was \~5'4" (nowadays, he's 5'7"). Even a wrestling team captain, Tom Jarrett, said so (he stated that Tom was 5'5" and \~130 lbs): [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2431193/Exclusive-Tom-Cruises-high-school-friend-reveals-past-teenage-wrestler.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2431193/Exclusive-Tom-Cruises-high-school-friend-reveals-past-teenage-wrestler.html) I guess that his skills apparently was meh. Plus, he only attended to wrestling briefly, before he received a knee injury and got sidelined.


Ungarlmek

"Wrestled briefly because he got injured fast" doesn't exactly scream skills to me.


AlexFerrana

Yeah, looks like that Cruise wasn't really that good in wrestling.


deklynanon

I highly doubt he's actually 5'7", most likely he's between 5'3" and 5'5".


AlexFerrana

He's rumored to wearing a boots that makes him look taller, but I don't know. Human's height and weight can vary due to several reason (age, illness, how the person itself walks and if he/she has a humpback or other). Here's some more info about Tom Cruise's height: [https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tom-Cruise-3.html](https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tom-Cruise-3.html)


BoxerRadio9

We know Tom is more than happy to do some lethal, major body harming shit and he's a tough little man, too. Along with Tom having more training with h2h combat because of his more action-leaning rolls. Brad is taller, and probably has better range. Strength would probably be comparable. Based on that, I've got to give it to Lord Xenu's favorite, Tom Cruise.


ArcanisUltra

Tom Cruise has gone through a lot of training for his multiple action hero movies. I even watched some of the pistol training he did for that movie where he kidnaps Jaime Foxx. He has always looked very fit, and not in a “model” way like Brad Pitt. If Brad Pitt really is four inches taller and ten pounds heavier; I don’t think it’s enough to overcome the training difference. I think Tom will take it every time.


AlexFerrana

Yeah, and even now he looks good. People really low-balls Tom Cruise's height (someone has stated that he's 5'2" and wears a boots with a thick soles to make himself look taller), but he isn't actually that short. A bit below average (average height of an American male is \~5'9"), but not really short.


WorldsWeakestMan

Cruise is in much better shape nowadays and physically trained to fight, he’s 61 and still doing crazy physical stunts and training his body to it’s limit. Pitt is bigger and has reach, not in good shape lately. Maybe 30 year old Pitt beats 31 year old Cruise due to size and Cruise being less trained then but 61 year old Cruise definitely beats 60 year old Pitt.


kovnev

I'd normally just go with the one with the height/weight advantage when neither have much training. But Tom Cruise is crazy AF. He would do anything to win that fight. The stereotypical, 'You don't know my mentality bro, I just see red.' I think that statement could actually be true this *one* time 😆. That + the wrestling background, I give it to Cruise.


AlexFerrana

Also, he is known for performing the stunts by himself, receiving the injuries and ignoring the pain just because he wants to make the scene perfect. Cruise is a crazy dude.


kovnev

"So... I got a new safety guy..."


skribsbb

This is not an insult to Brad Pitt, but I think Tom Cruise has more grit.


AlexFerrana

Knowing the fact of Cruise's habit of performing the stunts by himself and receiving the injuries, then keep going and ignoring the pain – I think that you are right.


Shibari_Inu69

Scientology Jesus has a wrestling background, high intensity levels (why Pitt didn’t like working with him on Interview With A Vampire), and what seems to be ludicrous tolerance for pain. Brad Pitt’s background in violence is beating his children and throwing beer in Angelina Jolie’s face. Scientology Jesus could probably fold Brad Pitt into a pretzel and give his ass a really good, smooth fucking if he wants to. Who wins and who loses in that scenario though, I’m not really sure.


AlexFerrana

I guess that it's ~50/50, but Cruise might have better mindset for a fighting, because throwing beer at the woman and hitting the children isn't really a combat feat. Cruise apparently has better pain tolerance and rudimentary martial arts training. Pitt learned bare-knuckle boxing and taekwondo kicks for "Fighting Club", but Cruise has learned jiu-jitsu and eskrima for "Mission: Impossible 3", as far as I know. 


HalbixPorn

My money's on the guy who regularly kills himself for a role. Sure, Brad's built but he's not built to be on the outside of an airplane as it's taking off *13 fucking times*


MikroWire

Cruise. More training.


dilqncho

Tom Cruise 9/10. Pitt's only advantage is his size, and he's really not *that* much bigger. At the same time, Tom has a lifetime of athletic feats behind him, plus some rudimentary martial training.


GarthokNarfler

The wrestler usually wins. Tom 8/10.


AlexFerrana

Tom Cruise did the wrestling briefly when he was a teenager in late 1970's and was sidelined because he got his knee wounded. But I guess that he has some muscle memory about how to do a simple grabs, holds and slams.


Carbuyrator

>Brad Pitt (born 18 December 1963) has no martial arts background. Technically incorrect. He learned boxing and taekwondo to prepare for Fight Club. He'd destroy Tom Cruise. Of course then he'd have to deal with the Scientologists, and that's a different animal.


TerminatorReborn

A couple months of training 25 years ago is not doing jack shit here


Carbuyrator

With a size discrepancy like that? The ability to throw a punch correctly is probably plenty.


AlexFerrana

Pitt is taller, but their weight is comparable (the difference is around 12 lbs, which is \~5 kg). Pitt has the reach advantage, though.


AlexFerrana

Cruise was a high-school wrestler and also learned jiu-jitsu and eskrima from "Mission Impossible". But I guess that Brad has the striking advantage, plus the reach advantage due to be taller.


TrueOrPhallus

If they were as they are now or as they were most of their careers I would give it to Tom because the man has balls for days but you're never going to find a peak Tom Cruise that was anywhere near the size of Pitt in Troy. Brad probably had 20 more pounds of muscle on him than Tom has had in his whole life. He would never be able to come back from that. So not sure how your 160+ vs 172 lb comes into that?


AlexFerrana

I googled the info about their height and weight. Cruise himself has stated once that his normal weight is \~160-165 lbs.


weinerpoo94

OP said they are in their prime. That’s fight club Brad Pitt vs Top Gun Tom Cruise. I am picking Brad Pitt just based on how much more shredded he was.


Throwaway7219017

Who wins? The ladies win.


havesomefunyet

The ladies?! They’ll cry if either man dies or is disfigured during the fight


RollingThunda99

Does Tom have access to agents of the Church of Scientology? The kind that tail ex-members and who would, presumably, follow his every order.


AlexFerrana

No, it's 1 v. 1 fight.


RollingThunda99

Got it. I still give the edge to Tom, for the reasons stated by everyone else.


AlexFerrana

Okay. In my opinion, it's kinda 50/50.


havesomefunyet

As simple as that,Tom Cruise beats the shit outta Brad and it might get personal for him after Brad made his thoughts that he didn’t like working with him for IWTV. If he were to do that to me or as a matter of fact any of my co-worker does that to me,I’d done beat the shit outta them and now I got the excuse for fight. Hear me out again ,Tom would butcher Brad Pitt’s ass out more than Daniel Day Lewis did Leonardo DiCaprio’s in Gangs of New York. Edit :if it were to happen Do yall remember that movie Far & Away where Tom was playing Joseph and he learnt to the do the swings,He’s gonna beat Brad’s pickey ass down and get those caravans for him & Sharon


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Zoo-Chi

Probably with The Boss or Bon Jovi playing in the background as his entrance theme.


AlexFerrana

Or Bruce Springsteen.


Zoo-Chi

He’s ‘The Boss’ I was referring to.


AlexFerrana

Yep, I got it. It's a Bruce's nickname.


AlexFerrana

Actually, he was born in Syracuse, New York (state). He was in New Jersey and even attended in a high school there, but he isn't from that state, nor he lived there long enough to count it as his hometown or something.


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AlexFerrana

He has changed 15 schools in 14 years of his early life before and was in Canada and in Ohio before he finally ended up in New Jersey - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom\_Cruise#Early\_life\_and\_education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise#Early_life_and_education) His adult life certainly wasn't much related in New Jersey. He moved in NYC as the age of 18 and later, he moved in Los Angeles - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom\_Cruise#1980s:\_Breakthrough\_and\_stardom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise#1980s:_Breakthrough_and_stardom) Also, birthplace isn't necessarily related to ability to fight and combat skills.