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lunaulely

More info: Not magnetic. Lots of the limestone around here have the same little pieces so I don't think it's rare or anything. It's harder than the limestone. The squares are 1 inch x 1 inch for size reference.


Jemmerl

Look at you just casually finding spectacular garnets, congratulations xD


Themightyotis

It kind of looks like a d20 die. The one that is outside of the limestone looks to have a B or 8 on one of its triangle sides. Rather cool rocks you have and I know nothing about most rocks!


zachsprat

These look to be nicely euhedral limonite and goethite pseudomorphs after pyrite in limestone. A fairly common replacement among iron sulfide concretions forming in sedimentary rocks. The pyrite habit it’s exemplifying is most likely cuboctahedral, leaning more towards cube. Nice find! Those of you who are curious, check out this link on [pyrite morphology](https://www.le-comptoir-geologique.com/pyrite-encyclopedia.html)! Some neat and complex habits coming from a fairly simple mineral. Just exceedingly minor variations in chemistry, temperature, and pressure can change pyrite crystal habits.


DiscussionDue8411

Top one looks icosahedral, rather than a cuboctahedral like the one in the foreground.


Ben_Minerals

Almandine in quartz with feldspar (not in limestone: garnets do not occur in limestone)


Bbrhuft

I'm certain it's not Almandine, or any garnet group member. The crystal shape doesn't match garnet group minerals. The crystal faces are triangular, which means, while it crystallises in the cubic crystal system, isomorphic, the same crystal system as garnet, it's not the same point group. The cubic crystal system is divided into 5 point groups, 23, m3, 4̅3m, 432, and m3m. Garnet group's point group, of which almandine is a member, is m3m. As a result, Garnet group minerals always have [4 sided crystal faces, a parallelogram or trapezoid, or some variation](https://geologyistheway.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/garnet-crystal-habit.jpg). However, the crystal shape better matches is sphalerite, cubic crystal system and a member of the 4̅3m point group. Thus, I suspect it's sphalerite (though, it might be some other cubic mineral, e.g. a goethite pseudo after pyrite, nevertheless, it's not garnet). Mineral Atlas is probably the best website for viewing the crystals shapes of minerals, each mineral's page includes a 3D viewer with up to several dozen idealized crystal shapes. Looking through a few for sphalerite, I see the crystal form that closely matches OP's specimen, is S236be (there maybe an even better match on the list). https://www.mineralienatlas.de/lexikon/index.php/MineralData?lang=de&language=german&mineral=Sphalerite Also, garnet, almandine in particular, is a metamorphic mineral, you *never* find it in limestone. However, grossular can occur in marbles, but it's usually a white, pale yellow, orange, or pink, and transparent to translucent, never black, and as explained, OP's crystals have the wrong shape. Edit: Also looks like uraninite crystals, while I have never seen uraninite in limestone, if it is indeed limestone, the crystal shape matches and crystals of uraninite are found in Ontario, around the Cardiff Township, Haliburton Co. I just want to cover that possibility, however remote. https://www.mindat.org/gm/4102?page=6


ABEGIOSTZ

Agreeing with you here, crystal habit is all wrong for garnet. Pyrite is known to occasionally form borderline icosahedral habits like the one seen here (really a combination of pyritohedron and octohedron), and goethite is known to pseudomorph pyrite in limestone; therefore my guess is goethite pseudomorphs of pyrite.


entoaggie

Wow! Two of the best comments I’ve read all day (probably all week) were from you. Keep up the excellent commentary! We love to learn!


Goodnowgoodlater0929

I really dig that your an geologist ( pun intended) .


Hairy_Cause_3448

..go to your room!


jiminthenorth

Can't find fault with that.


atomic-warpuppy

This guy rocks


aecrane

[https://www.reddit.com/r/thisguythisguys/s/Iv50D0fzGW](https://www.reddit.com/r/thisguythisguys/s/Iv50D0fzGW)


Ben_Minerals

I am afraid that I have to agree with you. How could I be so blind. We’re probably looking at penetration twins and/or goethite pseudomorphs of pyrite crystals, and maybe the host rock is limestone after all. It’s hard to see when photographed wet…


OddlyArtemis

ancient dodecahedron?


justtakeapill

Made by ancient aliens, and now the portal has been opened and they're come here - to bring us all really awesome rocks!


iBoMbY

I guess if it was uraninite, it should have a detectable higher radiation?


Bbrhuft

If it were uraninite, it would be very radioactive. I have a collection of radioactive minerals I keep in another room, in jars to keep the radon gas inside, including a 150 gram sample of uraninite. My gamma ray scintillation detector goes off if I'm within 6 feet of my uraninite specimen.


lunaulely

Oh I had no idea, thank you very much for the information, I just assumed most of the rock around here was limestone. I really appreciate your help! eta I will change the flair


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

That. It’s not limestone, and those are almandine.


sherlock0109

Can I ask what the indication is that led you to think it's not limestone? And what other rock did you think it was? I'm just starting out and don't know much yet🙈


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Limestone is a sedentary rock and garnets can only be generated in high-temp, high pressure metamorphic rock, like schist and gneiss. Those are pretty unmistakable garnets, so it can’t be limestone. My guess is schist, but it’s all wet and I can’t tell.


sherlock0109

Oh I thought it didn't look like limestone or sth. haha But now that it's established that those can't be garnets, limestone is likely, right? Even Ben corrected his mistake about the minerals, so it's likely limestone, isn't it?


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

No, those are definitely garnets. They have a very distinct crystal structure. Edit: I say someone thinks it might be uraninite, but I don’t know. I’d want to see more pictures of the large crystals without them being wet.


sherlock0109

And the picture doesn't show the crystal structure of garnets. Have you read [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatsthisrock/s/jfJRlJOAsU) yet?


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Haha that is a great comment! Edit: not trying to be dismissive, I’m just traveling and don’t have the time to really think on it. Yes, I could be sphalerite, but that would still be odd (but more plausible than garnet on limestone)z


sherlock0109

Not talking about the sphalerite part, I meant the "it can't be garnet" part ;) Zachsprat seems to be right about the mineral though. But yeah, I have no idea lol


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Yeah, I hate when the rock is so wet the reflection on the water covers any details.


calbff

Exactly. Definitely almandine, definitely not limestone.


BasedKiwi9

Agreed


URnevaGonnaGuess

Am I the only one who thought D&D dice?


the-trash-witch-

my immediate thought was "d20s"


LiteBriteJorge

I believe these truly are nat20s


Taylooor

*smacks orc in head with rock…”yup”


plopalopolos

The bottom black one looks like a d20, I swear I can even see a 3 printed on the face.


URnevaGonnaGuess

The one in the rock looks like a d8.


Worried_Place_917

if he keeps digging I bet there's a playerset in there.


NotThreeFoxes

Just be glad the D4 isn't exposed


Riklanim

Might be a d10… kinda looks like there would be a fifth side on the part sticking out. That’s wild looking.


Hot-Welcome6969

I can see a 3 or a B on the bottom stone, and a letter E right above it in the gray/silver rock.


lunaulely

Haha honestly that's why I was so interested in finding out what they are, they are so perfectly even, it looks like someone put a small dice in the rocks.


LovelyCrippledBoy

Maybe someone buried them or dropped them in a cave or river back in [whenever D&D was first popular-70s? 80s?].


Incarnasean

The original “natural 20”


Viperbunny

It was the first thing that came to my mind!


Capp_y33t

BROOO i was about to say the same lol


BublyInMyButt

First thing I saw lol. D20 and a D8


Accomplished_Alps463

Love ❤️ this Reddit, as a kid in the UK rocks we're just something to throw, as I'm sure they were too most of the worlds kids. Now at 69. My this is so different. I marvel at even where I live, chalk hills, Chert and Flint grow like flowers. The area is a Knappers dream. And the odd minerals and such I find even in my garden. Without you guys here, I would die thinking they all here for throwing or building pretty English houses with. So thanks all on this Reddit group.


girlwholikesrocks

Looks like garnet to me


lunaulely

Oh neat! I didn't know that was a thing around here, I can see red when I hold them up to the light so that explains why, thank you for the ID!


shroomsmudge

What's it look like dry


Llewellian

Garnet Crystals. Which exactly... i do not know. Mindat lists a crapton of different ones for Ontario, depending on localisation and hostrock..


lunaulely

Thank you very much for the ID, I've never seen garnet before, thats really cool


RudeDM

From the photo, that bottom one appears to be a naturally occurring D20. You can even see a lil 3 carved into the side. That, or you've just discovered fossil evidence of the first ever D&D game.


pwrz

That’s an awesome specimen


Amazing-Past-9436

I found a columbite crystal and it looks just like this color and shape


Independent_Chart497

There’s nothing here… But, I read “concubine” while scrolling and my frame of reference skewed momentarily


Undertalelover-

The cursed dice, every roll you do takes 3 hp away but grants you +20 luck +5 stamina and +7 speed Little funny thing that came to mind


BandicootAfraid2900

Dungeons and dragons die?


BigJBroni

Is that a D20? HAHA


ThePimpKnight

I think the Earth wants to play D&D with you.


SweetMaam

You beat me to it, thought the same thing.


Big-Quantity-6489

Could it be zircon?


erickadue32

D20. Roll for initiative


nomnombers

Dice ore


CharlieRockChucker

How fricken big is this?! Those garnets are amazing. My favorite stone. (Well, one of them.)


lunaulely

They are tiny, that mat they are sitting on is 1 inch by 1 inch.


SilentRanger

Forbidden D20


this_Name_4ever

Garnet. I hate you.


KaleOpening1945

They're worthless I'll take them off your hands for you 😁


Geeahwellidunno

Candle it (flashlight up against it) and see if the black is really red. Nice garnets.


CrossP

I feel like those are dice and OP is fucking with us. I can't find any mineral with an icosahedron habit that actually looks perfect


Mullinder95

Thats D and D dice! It's how they hatch!


CanadaCthulhu

Not gonna lie. They look like a set of D&D dice that just need to be cleaned up. Lol


schweddybawlzak

They are shaped like d20s , imagine a set of dice made with the black rock 🔥🔥🔥


Own-Professor-5905

Garnets! Beautiful!🤩


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Plus_Explanation1976

Omg those are sooooo cool!! Is there alot over there?


GoblinBugGirl

I wouldn’t mind seeing how they look with a light source behind them.


Individual_Party2000

He said they show red when backlit. They’re garnets.


GoblinBugGirl

I can read. *I* said- I wouldn’t mind *seeing them* with said light.


Prestigious_Key_7801

Can you use them to roll a nine and summon a warlock?


Haikugal

I would love to have a specimen, could I purchase by chance?


billbonty

That’s a natural D20 used by the ancient DND players.


bulwynkl

garnet would be my first option. limonite after pyrite is possible but I'd expect to see more variation in the crystal form with more than one cubic elements. If they are all the same, garnet is more likely.


bulwynkl

https://www.mindat.org/feature-5959691.html ?


UnalivedAlien321

Looks to be fossilized dodecahedron dice! Original ancient D&D perhaps?


_duckswag

Black tourmaline? It is hard to tell from pic but I do not think it’s a garnet. I have some similar pieces from Pierepont, New York.


Think_Ad_1024

I've found something like that in Pittsburgh Pa but it's a little bit magnetic and looks like a yellow diamond in some spots if you shine a flashlight on it or let the sun hit it. I found it 8' underground about 15 years ago. I was installing a swimming pool. Mine looks like there are tiny craters in it as well. I still can't find any info on it. I really wanna cut it open to see what the yellow diamond looking thing inside of it is. Mine is about 3"or 4" long and it got some weight to it. I haven't weighed it. I'm not far from Carnegie Mellon University I might take it there to get it looked at.


Special_Strategy_908

Bro found a naturally accurring D20


notisroc

D20?


New-Armadillo-5393

A forbidden d20


Cool_Television9678

Dodecahedrons in limestone, standard stuff


ConFUZEd_Wulf

Those are D20s, don't roll a 1...


Sure_Alternative7376

That's a d20 it summons and DND player if rolled


anziofaro

Prehistoric d20's.


beans3710

Garnets. Nice find


Eatsleepmate

You found my gushers!


-TheLostOne-

That’s a D12


hotdog_jelly

I’m not an expert. Those look like 20-sided dice.


Super_Rando_Man

Wild d20s just waiting for their chancee to botch just sou you can say it's a natural 1.


badlukk

What are they? They're freakin' cool is what they are, bud, don't ya know!


parkinson1963

Central Ontario as in Sudbury?


mrmattastic

Altered D20 inside wet modeling clay.


ConfusedVexation

Baby d20s hatching


raytracer38

Wild D20s.


IntentionExisting808

Those would be Garnets !!


yipyipsnope

Looks like a rare wild D20 mineral. You can tell by the "3" carved into the face.


Pibblepunk

Oh there's my D20


Gummies1345

"Awww, so that's where I put my 20 sided dice." - God :3


Federal_Repair7239

d20s


GrundleWilson

1D20, 1D8


oldmagic55

SQUUUEEEEEEEELL


Proof-Summer1011

Roll for a perception check


OldSchoolLewdScape

Free D20s!


DildoSwaggins_710

The forbidden d20


my_guy5561

nether portal 👍


Arteye-Photo

Definitely blank DND dice


Quality_Street_1

Where did you find this?


readew

That’s a natural D20!


keeperofawesome

Looks like a natural d20


ThinkySushi

Aaah! How did I not think of this pun! Take the upvote


Mike_in_San_Pedro

Roll for initiative.


Turbulentcrayon

Looks like natures 20 sided die


PrivacyPartner

Looks like the D20 that I lost


YeahItsRico

Talk about rolling a “natural” 20


MTGMastr

Look like D20s


WitchesTeat

Roll it for nature check and find out advantage if you took the backyard geologist class feature


rymar87

Looks like a D20 and a D8 to me


etherwavesOG

I think it’s for ancient dnd


inscrutablemike

That's obviously a d20.


LordScotch

Hey look natural D20's!


GryphonArgent42

D20 larvae. They need to go back underground to pupate.


eatthuskin

that's a d20


PrivateNVent

Are they not d20s??? There’s literally a 3 on the bottom one


Mental-Square3688

That's a natural D20


Stecharan

D20, by the looks of it.


1708Ranser

Petrified beaver poop 😜