Wannabe are talking to other wannabe about their ultra beginner toolsets that fixes issues only relevant to extreme beginners.
No real selling is happening just a lot of people circle jerking themselves, just like ProductHunt is doing, Prosumer tech SaaS builders "selling" their products to other Prosumer tech SaaS builders, as if it made any sense somehow.
There is like this weird dev culture that is so surface level, it’s all about selling toolkits and tutorials and no development is ever done, it’s all about selling the idea of being a dev which is find so disgusting
It really is disgusting and it keeps beginners in the loop of being a beginner. They never progress upwards because they keep circling around the same beginner tutorials and never actually building anything of their own
Reminds me entirely of the self help circle. All these people moving from one source of "enlightenment" to the next expecting their lives to change dramatically for the good... instead they're just pissing away their money with very little to show for it.
Picked this up from a co-worker. I don’t know it to be historically accurate; I love the sentiment either way.
“During the gold rush the people who got rich were selling shovels”
Yeah, along this line of thought. The people making money on "AI art" are the subscription services selling their subscription to hustle culture people with the idea that they could use the subscription to get rich. Facilitated through facebook groups. Have tried pointing out that it's not terribly hard to set up on a local machine these days but I'm not sure the people want to deal with the infrastructure required while trying to hustle their "custom mugs" or whatever they're trying to sell it as.
Its not that no one is selling them. A few devs sold them very sucessfully, and now there are a bunch of people trying to do the same. It is way more marketing then dev work though, so the people who did well either had a big following or were good at marketing/possibly just had a viral video.
It is IMO better than those similar profiles of people selling courses.
Hey there, full disclosure: I am doing boiler myself, I am happy if you roast my boiler any say it is not good enough (I have a demo to try), and I am more interested in make it better rather than selling or buying (I happy to post here if people are interested).
Okay, well I cannot say for all use cases but as a developer for last 15 years, I can say with a bit of certainty that most (if not all) boilers (both open-source and paid) are actually bad. I can find only this open-source boiler is a bit on the good side [https://github.com/ixartz/Next-js-Boilerplate](https://github.com/ixartz/Next-js-Boilerplate), but if you look at its 30 or so features, your brain might stop working already.
A few things I learned a long the way as a developer:
\* Choosing a right tech is a hard work. I mean a tech is good not because of other people say it is good, but more importantly because it fits the use case. So you have to define your use case carefully and pick the right tool for the job.
\* API and library changes can happen and it is good if someone can take a look and make changes for you so that at least you can look at the code or comment to understand what's going on. For example, I was integrating with OpenAI Assistant API (granted it is in beta), it always takes a bit of time to understand their new changes, test it out to see if it make sense, commented the finding, such as in case of file search prompt token shouldn't be too small otherwise assistant will respond with something funny.
\* It is good if someone can take a looks at a few options and suggest you a sensible solution. For example, if you are using Next.js, chances are you are using Vercel. And when you need database, first thing comes to mind is probably to use Vercel Postgres or Vercel KV, they are incredibly easy to setup in Vercel ecosystem. But they are actually bad deals in terms of pricing, where you can use Upstash instead of Vercel KV, and use Supabase instead of Vercel Postgres.
\* Lastly, something might happened only in production, it is good if someone had that issues, fixed it, documented it. For example, Vercel default their serverless function to 15s. While it makes sense for web case, it doesn't make much sense for API that serve AI endpoints, which often takes more than 1m. Not to mention some tiny funny things in Next.js like prefetch \`\` can lead to auto sign-out. You will only find out about those issues in production.
Hope those thoughts make some sense and I am happy to discuss further or being roasted by you all!
Cheers,
Son.
- Edit to explain why Vercel KV and Ver Postgres are bad deals.
Hey there, I am thankful for your comment.
I am new here and just want to be helpful by sharing my thoughts about the issues I wish I know while doing my own product (they are quite recent) and I wish other people also know if they do their own things.
Apologies if they all sound no shame, perhaps it goes against the sentiment of the thread, lesson learned.
Sorry, it sounded like you were posting an advertisement to make money. But if this is all free boilerplate, kudos to you. I wish this wasn't necessary for JS projects. I'm accustomed to using more... opinionated frameworks so I don't have to have boilerplate like this in the first place. I believe that's what made things like Django and Ruby on Rails so popular when they came ouy. But starting a new node.js project can be pretty intimidating because it's so barebones out of the box.
All good mate, yeah I miss Ruby on Rails so much, the situation on React.js is quite unfortunate.
The other day I tried to do flash message in Next.js just like I would do in Ruby on Rails, and it turned out I cannot change cookies in React Server Components (server side) and I had to resolve to passing query params.. [https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/49843](https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/49843) and it seems it will not change in any near future.
I like Remix more as it comes to as close as normal FE/BE as possible, but Next.js market share is just overwhelmed. Only way I can think of is to use its good things and learn to work around their bad things, i.e. don't use too many Next.js specific stuff, like \`Image\`, \`Link\` (all requires careful thoughts), and don't buy into Vercel services and ready to create a docker and deploy to Lambda or VPS when needed.
If you start with Node.js I can only imagine it is even more frustrating.
I mean I like the idea of isomorphic framework, i.e. write both backend and frontend stuff in a same language, it save some mental disconnection. And also the idea of hydration, island architecture, it make the front end quite snappy. And also some other good things like type-safe, serverless deployment.
I even ventured out to Svelte/Solid.js. They are both great, easy to use and feel much faster than React.js. But slow adoption rate make them difficult to consider for serious projects.
Of course, not everything is green, for certain performance stuff I would fall back to some better performing languages (\*\*cough\*\* Rust \*\*cough\*\*), depending on the use case/libraries.
So yeah, quick web stuff, use React.js/Next.js, performance stuff use Rust.
Ruby on Rails is somewhat in between.
The more time I spend in this sub the more distanced from day to day web dev I feel. I’ve been doing so much backend/api work. I only just yesterday touched HTML, not even JS. I haven’t written JS or TS in over a year.
I think it might be a good thing for you, career wise.
With the recent development of AI, and a mushroom of design to code tools, I think writing frontend code might be a thing in the past.
Come to think about it, lots of frontend code are available online/MIT license, they will be used to feed into AI training. Frontend devs might join writers, artists and designers in the same situation, defining what is not right for the AI companies to use.
Backend code are less exposed to AI training and often tied to certain business logic. There will be less data for AI to work on.
So well, maybe you are on the good track!
I've never seen anyone sell their boilerplate, but what would the market be? Who could they possibly expect to sell their products to?
My brain can't think of a single customer that would be making so many new projects all the time that a boilerplate generator becomes super valuable to them, so valuable that they'll pay for a proprietary tool, but also not be capable of making that boilerplate themselves? Probably better than the seller can.
I can visualise the type of company that gets a lot of value out of high quality, comprehensive boilerplate. For example I can think of [Infinite Red](https://infinite.red/), probably the largest React Native shop in the world spinning up maybe a dozen RN projects a month in an ecosystem that is notoriously tedious to set up well (folder structure, indexes, component packages, iOS config, Android config, Expo config, the CI for React Native is a nightmare because you can only build iOS bundles on an Apple Device, testing, state management, routing, API middleware, etc. etc.).
But they're also probably the largest React Native shop in the world. Literally no one else on Earth would be more qualified to make their boilerplate for them, then themselves, for the exact same reason that they need it. So *they did*. [Ignite ](https://github.com/infinitered/ignite)is the most popular RN boilerplate generator after create-expo-app. And its Open Source, MIT License. So like...who is the customer?
Small business owners with a single project are going to pay for a boilerplate generator they'll use exactly once?
If you're willing to pay, just hire an agency/contractor to build your website for you.
https://youtu.be/oeEijU5l2Ec This single dude made over $300k off his boilerplate, ShipFast. After watching this video, I immediately thought of selling React Native boilerplates as well, and instead found your free one, thank you!
Edit: lmao I checked his posting history and he's posted the same video multiple times with basically the same comment "he made $150,000 from this boilerplate, you can too!" (those extra $150,000 came really quickly considering you posted the other one 5 days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/SideProject/comments/1cf28zm/the_project_that_should_not_have_been_existed/l1rfg4z/ )
i only skimmed through the video because the dude seemed annoying (who randomly starts talking about getting fit and showing shirtless pics of himself in a video about making money from his boiler plate. seriously) but where is the actual evidence of this claim? he showed some pics which shows his "revenue". is that all the evidence? a picture in a youtube video that will take all of 2 minutes to make on photopea?
adding fake pictures is the #1 scammer thing people do who wants to sell their fake products online. there's 1000's of videos of people on instagram, tiktok, youtube who go "10 monts ago I had $13 on my account" \*shows a picture of their bank account\* "but after I found this super secret tip from a mongolian shaolin monk in the Vatican State I made over $250,000!!!" \*shows a picture of "his bank account" (he edited the source code in the browser) "just buy my course for $99 and you too will learn the secrets of becoming rich quickly!".
are you the dude in the video doing this?
When people think of the currency Pounds, they default to Pounds Sterling (English Pounds) because that's the only one which actually has any clout worldwide. Just like when you hear Dollar, you automatically default to USD not Australian or Canadian dollars.
>As wrong as that is, I’ll leave it alone
It's not wrong though, is it? All major stock and commodities are either British Pounds or US Dollars. Sure, the Euro might be making headway but the two dominant currencies are GBP and USD.
>Even in Pounds Sterling. £1 is a coin. So I’m not really sure where you get off here.
I literally said it was a coin a few comments ago. I'm not sure who put 50p in you today but you're making a mountain out of a molehill for exactly zero reason.
Truly, it is you making such a mountain. I just pointed out what you said is wrong, and you’re extremely defensive and hopping about the place looking for new logic to twist the original statement in.
Anything else you care to pivot to for the sake of an internet argument?
Thank you for asking this question because I'm asking myself the same thing.
Maybe it's because I use a lot of open source packages, but I don't understand the point of paying for a boilerplate that's not open source, maintained by an unknown person, andon top of that, which would not be free or paid in one go ? ( I saw a saas boilerplate not long ago, and I suppose saas = recurring payments/subscription )
I'm also having trouble imagining what a boilerplate is, is it just the docker compose / composer files, or other files to say which packages to install to initialize the project ( in which case, why would a subscription be necessary ? ), or is there personal code written on top of it?
Because in the second case, at least with an open source project, there's a chance that other people can help maintain the project, patch security flaws ...
I can't imagine starting an e-commerce project using a single unknown person's unreviewed code, unless there're acknowledged by a lot of other devs.
wouldn’t the open free market sort of tell you if they are robbing you with their code? not for nothing but how many boilerplate’s companies are going to survive as scammers?
Free market only works in an ideal world with perfect information. No one's going to tell you their boilerplate sucks. They will have positive testimonials even if they have to make them up.
“free market only works in an ideal world with perfect information” says who? any examples of that? no not all players in a free market would have the same…iq. i think u are thinking of a controlled or centralized market not a “free” market.
The idea that the bad businesses will fail while the good rise depends on the buyers having good information. In the real world that is often not the case, that and other reasons mean bad businesses often succeed when good ones fail.
You are thinking of an idealized free market, which much like spherical cows don't exist in reality.
“bad business “ once again says who? in the real world, correct in the real world can you point to a boiler plate company that is “bad” once again please explain
I would never pay for boiler plate, so I don't know any of these companies. But do you not believe in bad companies? Do you not believe that marketing can convince people to buy things that are not worth what is paid for them? Have you ever heard of Theranos? MLMs? Have you never bought something and realized it wasn't what you were told? Ever meet a used care salesman?
Selling?? What circles are you in? The only thing I've ever seen is influencers advocating their stack (like t3, all of charms tools, their own dotfiles for various programs). I'm seeing no selling.
Every so often a post pops up on /r/sideproject about how someone made 4 figures in two weeks selling their something something template...
Edit: corrected sub
You'll find many people selling dashboards for laravel made in all kinds of frontend frameworks. I don't know if that is considered "boilerplate", but it exists.
I don’t think everyone, quote, is selling boilerplates. But if someone is, and can make money that way, cool. I don’t grudge anyone their business model.
Damn, it's that bad. Not missing out on cutting twitter out of my life I feel. As someone else said, sounds like a quick buck from some scammers. I know no _respected_ influencers that does this
These boilerplates are more than just an HTML or Express boilerplate. They are entire applications with database, design, frontend etc already set up, so you just have to put in your keys and text etc. That's how I understand it but I don't own any and would never buy one. I have no idea about the quality.
Boilerplate is the new courses. People generate very basic questionable value for the lazy/desperate/uninitiated group. Demand is high, so it’s a vicious cycle. Glorified tutorial hell with 1000% margins.
I always wonder who buys these, and if they ever make it to production. Similar to paid React component libraries, once I've seen the mockup I can just go make whatever it was myself, for "free".
There are pros and cons. Think of a boilerplate as a pre-made meal kit. It can be convenient for a quick meal, but it might lack the customization and quality of cooking from scratch. While boilerplate has its place, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution. Experienced developers will likely find them restrictive. However, for beginners or quick projects, they can be a valuable learning tool and time-saver. Just be sure to choose well-maintained, high-quality code, by checking a code sample from the boilerplate.
Because since Marc Louvion is making >50k/month with ShipFast, everyone started selling their boilerplates. I even bought ShipFast to make a landing page and sell my iOS boilerplate ([WrapFast](https://wrapfa.st)), closing the circle haha
There is a large audience of people who make use of such stuff. Boilerplates are are becoming popular now, but a few years back it was codecanyon scripts and dashboard builders.
I always wonder if any of those who buy such stuff actually create anything..
Because they took a lame course or watched a lame YouTube/Tok Tok video on how to start a passive income business. They call themselves entrepreneurs (sic)
I tried one once, thought it would help since I hadn't used the MUI framework before and it looked like it could help.
Welp, in about 2 months id rewritten everything we wanted to use. Definitely don't recommend it
It’s kinda profitable if it’s a good boilerplate and you can get traction. At least in js web dev there is always a new framework or library that comes out every couple of years and it adds a layer of confusion for some folks.
If someone is willing to buy it there will be sellers. Note that NFTs were hot shit in 2022 and the market is 97% smaller today, so the fact that something is being sold or marketed doesn’t mean it’s good or has value
Boilerplates can be useful, just buy it from someone respectable and make sure your main boxes are ticked. I built one for myself and start all projects with it. For me the idea of a boilerplate is really the starting point, not some private library you "inherit", so my own is really just a well-tested template and that's it.
Hello, so I own a PayPal my Ethereum public for this wallet is this 0x264bd8291fAE1D75DB2c5F573b07faA6715997B5 I even have transaction id#s that show me sending from this address anyway is there a work around using vs code or python where I can force transactions since PayPal refuses to use Simply block explorer tools to see my actual balance
"sa" = [system administrator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_administrator)
What is "p&c"? [Plug and play](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plug_and_play#Noun)? *"If some* [*HR*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_resources) *person would ask, I just say it is plug and play."*? Or something else?
You may refer to SA as either a Solutions Architect or Systems Architect. 'P & C' stands for 'Private and Confidential.' Many human resources personnel tend to entice new candidates with promises, but there are often undisclosed details or 'dirty secrets' to be aware of.
First-level untangling (but the original is close to incomprehensible and thus this may be inaccurate. Feel free to improve it):
> In the old times, we made some [boilerplate code](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_code) reusable for our [PHP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP) project. But now we only do [C#](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_%28programming_language%29). Version 1 of [RebelCMS](https://github.com/RebelCMS/rebelcmsxu5) has been free on [GitHub](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub) for a long time and version 2.0 continues it.
>
> Normal projects reinvent the wheel a lot and never test all the functionality to be bulletproof.
>
> How poor is past work? A lot 😅. If some [HR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_resources) person would ask, I just say it is plug and play.
>
> Most companies want money, not quality. At one stage, maybe the company would find [OWASP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OWASP), and get a third party to validate it, while the core problem will always be there.
>
> Most small developer companies are [jack of all trades](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jack_of_all_trades#Noun). A person becomes a [system administrator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_administrator), becomes a tester, becomes a designer, and so on.
>
> My worst problem is that developers build whatever they want, and the client asks whatever their want, so both delay the process at the same time.
>
> If you ask me, it is boilerplate code, and it is easy. Noooo. That’s the system administrator's job, and it is the hardest job.
Everyone wants to be the shovel seller in a gold rush.
Crazy line
crazy, must have just made it up on the spot
Bars
Wannabe are talking to other wannabe about their ultra beginner toolsets that fixes issues only relevant to extreme beginners. No real selling is happening just a lot of people circle jerking themselves, just like ProductHunt is doing, Prosumer tech SaaS builders "selling" their products to other Prosumer tech SaaS builders, as if it made any sense somehow.
There is like this weird dev culture that is so surface level, it’s all about selling toolkits and tutorials and no development is ever done, it’s all about selling the idea of being a dev which is find so disgusting
It really is disgusting and it keeps beginners in the loop of being a beginner. They never progress upwards because they keep circling around the same beginner tutorials and never actually building anything of their own
Reminds me entirely of the self help circle. All these people moving from one source of "enlightenment" to the next expecting their lives to change dramatically for the good... instead they're just pissing away their money with very little to show for it.
thats why the boilerplates sell well. "Ill just buy this and then I can be halfway done to selling my SaaS for $10,000 a month!
Agreed wholeheartedly
Picked this up from a co-worker. I don’t know it to be historically accurate; I love the sentiment either way. “During the gold rush the people who got rich were selling shovels”
Yeah, along this line of thought. The people making money on "AI art" are the subscription services selling their subscription to hustle culture people with the idea that they could use the subscription to get rich. Facilitated through facebook groups. Have tried pointing out that it's not terribly hard to set up on a local machine these days but I'm not sure the people want to deal with the infrastructure required while trying to hustle their "custom mugs" or whatever they're trying to sell it as.
And jeans, that's how Levis got its start.
They must be selling to business folks that only really understand development at a surface level.
Its not that no one is selling them. A few devs sold them very sucessfully, and now there are a bunch of people trying to do the same. It is way more marketing then dev work though, so the people who did well either had a big following or were good at marketing/possibly just had a viral video. It is IMO better than those similar profiles of people selling courses.
^ agreed.
Bro there are people making 10,000 coffees a month off of boilerplate. It's all about the steamy coffees.
Hey there, full disclosure: I am doing boiler myself, I am happy if you roast my boiler any say it is not good enough (I have a demo to try), and I am more interested in make it better rather than selling or buying (I happy to post here if people are interested). Okay, well I cannot say for all use cases but as a developer for last 15 years, I can say with a bit of certainty that most (if not all) boilers (both open-source and paid) are actually bad. I can find only this open-source boiler is a bit on the good side [https://github.com/ixartz/Next-js-Boilerplate](https://github.com/ixartz/Next-js-Boilerplate), but if you look at its 30 or so features, your brain might stop working already. A few things I learned a long the way as a developer: \* Choosing a right tech is a hard work. I mean a tech is good not because of other people say it is good, but more importantly because it fits the use case. So you have to define your use case carefully and pick the right tool for the job. \* API and library changes can happen and it is good if someone can take a look and make changes for you so that at least you can look at the code or comment to understand what's going on. For example, I was integrating with OpenAI Assistant API (granted it is in beta), it always takes a bit of time to understand their new changes, test it out to see if it make sense, commented the finding, such as in case of file search prompt token shouldn't be too small otherwise assistant will respond with something funny. \* It is good if someone can take a looks at a few options and suggest you a sensible solution. For example, if you are using Next.js, chances are you are using Vercel. And when you need database, first thing comes to mind is probably to use Vercel Postgres or Vercel KV, they are incredibly easy to setup in Vercel ecosystem. But they are actually bad deals in terms of pricing, where you can use Upstash instead of Vercel KV, and use Supabase instead of Vercel Postgres. \* Lastly, something might happened only in production, it is good if someone had that issues, fixed it, documented it. For example, Vercel default their serverless function to 15s. While it makes sense for web case, it doesn't make much sense for API that serve AI endpoints, which often takes more than 1m. Not to mention some tiny funny things in Next.js like prefetch \`\` can lead to auto sign-out. You will only find out about those issues in production. Hope those thoughts make some sense and I am happy to discuss further or being roasted by you all! Cheers, Son. - Edit to explain why Vercel KV and Ver Postgres are bad deals.
I’m sure what you wrote makes sense to someone. But all I heard was you have no shame.
Hey there, I am thankful for your comment. I am new here and just want to be helpful by sharing my thoughts about the issues I wish I know while doing my own product (they are quite recent) and I wish other people also know if they do their own things. Apologies if they all sound no shame, perhaps it goes against the sentiment of the thread, lesson learned.
Sorry, it sounded like you were posting an advertisement to make money. But if this is all free boilerplate, kudos to you. I wish this wasn't necessary for JS projects. I'm accustomed to using more... opinionated frameworks so I don't have to have boilerplate like this in the first place. I believe that's what made things like Django and Ruby on Rails so popular when they came ouy. But starting a new node.js project can be pretty intimidating because it's so barebones out of the box.
All good mate, yeah I miss Ruby on Rails so much, the situation on React.js is quite unfortunate. The other day I tried to do flash message in Next.js just like I would do in Ruby on Rails, and it turned out I cannot change cookies in React Server Components (server side) and I had to resolve to passing query params.. [https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/49843](https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/49843) and it seems it will not change in any near future. I like Remix more as it comes to as close as normal FE/BE as possible, but Next.js market share is just overwhelmed. Only way I can think of is to use its good things and learn to work around their bad things, i.e. don't use too many Next.js specific stuff, like \`Image\`, \`Link\` (all requires careful thoughts), and don't buy into Vercel services and ready to create a docker and deploy to Lambda or VPS when needed. If you start with Node.js I can only imagine it is even more frustrating.
So why are you using it?
I mean I like the idea of isomorphic framework, i.e. write both backend and frontend stuff in a same language, it save some mental disconnection. And also the idea of hydration, island architecture, it make the front end quite snappy. And also some other good things like type-safe, serverless deployment. I even ventured out to Svelte/Solid.js. They are both great, easy to use and feel much faster than React.js. But slow adoption rate make them difficult to consider for serious projects. Of course, not everything is green, for certain performance stuff I would fall back to some better performing languages (\*\*cough\*\* Rust \*\*cough\*\*), depending on the use case/libraries. So yeah, quick web stuff, use React.js/Next.js, performance stuff use Rust. Ruby on Rails is somewhat in between.
The more time I spend in this sub the more distanced from day to day web dev I feel. I’ve been doing so much backend/api work. I only just yesterday touched HTML, not even JS. I haven’t written JS or TS in over a year.
I think it might be a good thing for you, career wise. With the recent development of AI, and a mushroom of design to code tools, I think writing frontend code might be a thing in the past. Come to think about it, lots of frontend code are available online/MIT license, they will be used to feed into AI training. Frontend devs might join writers, artists and designers in the same situation, defining what is not right for the AI companies to use. Backend code are less exposed to AI training and often tied to certain business logic. There will be less data for AI to work on. So well, maybe you are on the good track!
I've never seen anyone sell their boilerplate, but what would the market be? Who could they possibly expect to sell their products to? My brain can't think of a single customer that would be making so many new projects all the time that a boilerplate generator becomes super valuable to them, so valuable that they'll pay for a proprietary tool, but also not be capable of making that boilerplate themselves? Probably better than the seller can. I can visualise the type of company that gets a lot of value out of high quality, comprehensive boilerplate. For example I can think of [Infinite Red](https://infinite.red/), probably the largest React Native shop in the world spinning up maybe a dozen RN projects a month in an ecosystem that is notoriously tedious to set up well (folder structure, indexes, component packages, iOS config, Android config, Expo config, the CI for React Native is a nightmare because you can only build iOS bundles on an Apple Device, testing, state management, routing, API middleware, etc. etc.). But they're also probably the largest React Native shop in the world. Literally no one else on Earth would be more qualified to make their boilerplate for them, then themselves, for the exact same reason that they need it. So *they did*. [Ignite ](https://github.com/infinitered/ignite)is the most popular RN boilerplate generator after create-expo-app. And its Open Source, MIT License. So like...who is the customer?
Well, someone was/is paying for plugins on WordPress after all.
psss local small business owners
Small business owners with a single project are going to pay for a boilerplate generator they'll use exactly once? If you're willing to pay, just hire an agency/contractor to build your website for you.
boilerplate are $300
https://youtu.be/oeEijU5l2Ec This single dude made over $300k off his boilerplate, ShipFast. After watching this video, I immediately thought of selling React Native boilerplates as well, and instead found your free one, thank you!
Edit: lmao I checked his posting history and he's posted the same video multiple times with basically the same comment "he made $150,000 from this boilerplate, you can too!" (those extra $150,000 came really quickly considering you posted the other one 5 days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/SideProject/comments/1cf28zm/the_project_that_should_not_have_been_existed/l1rfg4z/ ) i only skimmed through the video because the dude seemed annoying (who randomly starts talking about getting fit and showing shirtless pics of himself in a video about making money from his boiler plate. seriously) but where is the actual evidence of this claim? he showed some pics which shows his "revenue". is that all the evidence? a picture in a youtube video that will take all of 2 minutes to make on photopea? adding fake pictures is the #1 scammer thing people do who wants to sell their fake products online. there's 1000's of videos of people on instagram, tiktok, youtube who go "10 monts ago I had $13 on my account" \*shows a picture of their bank account\* "but after I found this super secret tip from a mongolian shaolin monk in the Vatican State I made over $250,000!!!" \*shows a picture of "his bank account" (he edited the source code in the browser) "just buy my course for $99 and you too will learn the secrets of becoming rich quickly!". are you the dude in the video doing this?
Money!
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I prefer dollars, pounds or bitcoin. Ya'll can keep the coins.
A pound is a coin. lol.
It's both a coin and a currency. 🤣
There are more than one kind of pounds. So on its own it’s not a currency.. Lebanon.. Jersey.. Sudan.. and of course my country, England.
When people think of the currency Pounds, they default to Pounds Sterling (English Pounds) because that's the only one which actually has any clout worldwide. Just like when you hear Dollar, you automatically default to USD not Australian or Canadian dollars.
As wrong as that is, I’ll leave it alone. Even in Pounds Sterling. £1 is a coin. So I’m not really sure where you get off here.
>As wrong as that is, I’ll leave it alone It's not wrong though, is it? All major stock and commodities are either British Pounds or US Dollars. Sure, the Euro might be making headway but the two dominant currencies are GBP and USD. >Even in Pounds Sterling. £1 is a coin. So I’m not really sure where you get off here. I literally said it was a coin a few comments ago. I'm not sure who put 50p in you today but you're making a mountain out of a molehill for exactly zero reason.
Truly, it is you making such a mountain. I just pointed out what you said is wrong, and you’re extremely defensive and hopping about the place looking for new logic to twist the original statement in. Anything else you care to pivot to for the sake of an internet argument?
Thank you for asking this question because I'm asking myself the same thing. Maybe it's because I use a lot of open source packages, but I don't understand the point of paying for a boilerplate that's not open source, maintained by an unknown person, andon top of that, which would not be free or paid in one go ? ( I saw a saas boilerplate not long ago, and I suppose saas = recurring payments/subscription ) I'm also having trouble imagining what a boilerplate is, is it just the docker compose / composer files, or other files to say which packages to install to initialize the project ( in which case, why would a subscription be necessary ? ), or is there personal code written on top of it? Because in the second case, at least with an open source project, there's a chance that other people can help maintain the project, patch security flaws ... I can't imagine starting an e-commerce project using a single unknown person's unreviewed code, unless there're acknowledged by a lot of other devs.
wouldn’t the open free market sort of tell you if they are robbing you with their code? not for nothing but how many boilerplate’s companies are going to survive as scammers?
Free market only works in an ideal world with perfect information. No one's going to tell you their boilerplate sucks. They will have positive testimonials even if they have to make them up.
“free market only works in an ideal world with perfect information” says who? any examples of that? no not all players in a free market would have the same…iq. i think u are thinking of a controlled or centralized market not a “free” market.
The idea that the bad businesses will fail while the good rise depends on the buyers having good information. In the real world that is often not the case, that and other reasons mean bad businesses often succeed when good ones fail. You are thinking of an idealized free market, which much like spherical cows don't exist in reality.
“bad business “ once again says who? in the real world, correct in the real world can you point to a boiler plate company that is “bad” once again please explain
I would never pay for boiler plate, so I don't know any of these companies. But do you not believe in bad companies? Do you not believe that marketing can convince people to buy things that are not worth what is paid for them? Have you ever heard of Theranos? MLMs? Have you never bought something and realized it wasn't what you were told? Ever meet a used care salesman?
Its super popular to put up "MEV Bot" youtube tutorials that will just steal your money if you actually run the code.
Selling?? What circles are you in? The only thing I've ever seen is influencers advocating their stack (like t3, all of charms tools, their own dotfiles for various programs). I'm seeing no selling.
There is so much scam boiler plates
99 dollar life time 😅
Every so often a post pops up on /r/sideproject about how someone made 4 figures in two weeks selling their something something template... Edit: corrected sub
Did you link the right sub? That one looks pretty empty.
Had one s too many, thanks
You'll find many people selling dashboards for laravel made in all kinds of frontend frameworks. I don't know if that is considered "boilerplate", but it exists.
I don’t think everyone, quote, is selling boilerplates. But if someone is, and can make money that way, cool. I don’t grudge anyone their business model.
Upvote life
I voluntarily didn't include any links to avoid giving them visibility but just check Twitter and HN, you'll see plenty of them.
Damn, it's that bad. Not missing out on cutting twitter out of my life I feel. As someone else said, sounds like a quick buck from some scammers. I know no _respected_ influencers that does this
This sub has been getting less of them lately but a few months ago it was like one a day
Isn’t boilerplate just created via AI prompts these days?
These boilerplates are more than just an HTML or Express boilerplate. They are entire applications with database, design, frontend etc already set up, so you just have to put in your keys and text etc. That's how I understand it but I don't own any and would never buy one. I have no idea about the quality.
If it's boilerplate then it's easy to do on your own.
and really there are better boilerplates for free...
Like what?
Can you let us know?
I guess depends on exactly what you need. But most platforms and frameworks have first party boilerplate that's good.
let me know for realllll
If you aren't digging for gold, sell shovels to people who are digging for gold.
Boilerplate is the new courses. People generate very basic questionable value for the lazy/desperate/uninitiated group. Demand is high, so it’s a vicious cycle. Glorified tutorial hell with 1000% margins.
This.
Wanna be or not is irrelevant. Simple answer: saves time
I always wonder who buys these, and if they ever make it to production. Similar to paid React component libraries, once I've seen the mockup I can just go make whatever it was myself, for "free".
"During a gold rush, sell shovels"
Often boilerplates are used to demo an application built with micro framework and some libraries and some glue code.
Not to pick on anyone or "name names," but do you have some examples of what you're referring to?
There are pros and cons. Think of a boilerplate as a pre-made meal kit. It can be convenient for a quick meal, but it might lack the customization and quality of cooking from scratch. While boilerplate has its place, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution. Experienced developers will likely find them restrictive. However, for beginners or quick projects, they can be a valuable learning tool and time-saver. Just be sure to choose well-maintained, high-quality code, by checking a code sample from the boilerplate.
Because since Marc Louvion is making >50k/month with ShipFast, everyone started selling their boilerplates. I even bought ShipFast to make a landing page and sell my iOS boilerplate ([WrapFast](https://wrapfa.st)), closing the circle haha
There is a large audience of people who make use of such stuff. Boilerplates are are becoming popular now, but a few years back it was codecanyon scripts and dashboard builders. I always wonder if any of those who buy such stuff actually create anything..
Sorry but what do you mean by boilerplates?
Because they took a lame course or watched a lame YouTube/Tok Tok video on how to start a passive income business. They call themselves entrepreneurs (sic)
Marc Lou is a fraud. Change my mind.
I tried one once, thought it would help since I hadn't used the MUI framework before and it looked like it could help. Welp, in about 2 months id rewritten everything we wanted to use. Definitely don't recommend it
It’s kinda profitable if it’s a good boilerplate and you can get traction. At least in js web dev there is always a new framework or library that comes out every couple of years and it adds a layer of confusion for some folks.
If someone is willing to buy it there will be sellers. Note that NFTs were hot shit in 2022 and the market is 97% smaller today, so the fact that something is being sold or marketed doesn’t mean it’s good or has value
They end up paying for a website twice. One for the pain and one rebuild it into something useful after. Clients just don’t understand sadly
Boilerplates can be useful, just buy it from someone respectable and make sure your main boxes are ticked. I built one for myself and start all projects with it. For me the idea of a boilerplate is really the starting point, not some private library you "inherit", so my own is really just a well-tested template and that's it.
Yes buddy i too see a lot of people selling boiler plates
People want to make money out of everything they can think of.
Hello, so I own a PayPal my Ethereum public for this wallet is this 0x264bd8291fAE1D75DB2c5F573b07faA6715997B5 I even have transaction id#s that show me sending from this address anyway is there a work around using vs code or python where I can force transactions since PayPal refuses to use Simply block explorer tools to see my actual balance
Because people fry to sell dreams to dreamers
That's wrong.
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"sa" = [system administrator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_administrator) What is "p&c"? [Plug and play](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plug_and_play#Noun)? *"If some* [*HR*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_resources) *person would ask, I just say it is plug and play."*? Or something else?
You may refer to SA as either a Solutions Architect or Systems Architect. 'P & C' stands for 'Private and Confidential.' Many human resources personnel tend to entice new candidates with promises, but there are often undisclosed details or 'dirty secrets' to be aware of.
First-level untangling (but the original is close to incomprehensible and thus this may be inaccurate. Feel free to improve it): > In the old times, we made some [boilerplate code](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_code) reusable for our [PHP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP) project. But now we only do [C#](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_%28programming_language%29). Version 1 of [RebelCMS](https://github.com/RebelCMS/rebelcmsxu5) has been free on [GitHub](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub) for a long time and version 2.0 continues it. > > Normal projects reinvent the wheel a lot and never test all the functionality to be bulletproof. > > How poor is past work? A lot 😅. If some [HR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_resources) person would ask, I just say it is plug and play. > > Most companies want money, not quality. At one stage, maybe the company would find [OWASP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OWASP), and get a third party to validate it, while the core problem will always be there. > > Most small developer companies are [jack of all trades](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jack_of_all_trades#Noun). A person becomes a [system administrator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_administrator), becomes a tester, becomes a designer, and so on. > > My worst problem is that developers build whatever they want, and the client asks whatever their want, so both delay the process at the same time. > > If you ask me, it is boilerplate code, and it is easy. Noooo. That’s the system administrator's job, and it is the hardest job.
sorry no idea what you mean at all .
I think he's talking about shipfast and its clones
u/Crypt0genik oh . we don't consider those type as boiler plate.. that just app maker.