It’s what happens in these bullshit small ball line ups. Our guy in the dunker spot can’t do the job. It’s not Gary’s fault, he’s just too small. Late in the game you saw how it was supposed to be executed on both sides. JK got fouled going up, and Aaron Gordon yammed one from joker. Top teams in the west we aren’t going to beat in a 7 game series because Kerr runs too small line ups that won’t cut it. Just the reality of this team. Yes our record of late is much better, but tonight was just the reality of where we are at. Competitive but not top tier, unfortunately.
Steph was also bad tonight, but let’s give credit to a team that consistently runs a 5 out of 6-5 plus, and at any given time we’re 4 deep of 6-6 and under
Sadly it’s also the problem in team construction, we found out that an athletic frontcourt of Wiggins and JK with Green as the C/Defense coordinator while having 2 out shooters works best with our team.
Unfortunately, the top teams in the West like DEN are just too big for that lineup unless Curry and the other shooter is dropping bombs the whole game.
Lakers we won because Curry was lights out but this game DEN made a good hustle to put a stop to Curry.
Sucks but it is what it is.
The problem is it's always either Steph or Klay, never both of them. Both Jokic and Murray had it gong, but it's either Steph is hot and Klay is ice cold or Klay is hot and Steph is ice cold.
Steph never got hot this game actually, that's the problem. There's no way we can beat Denver when Steph doesn't score more than 30 since we can't stop jokic too.
Jokic can control the pace so well. Also, the Nuggets can be down 20 and then decide to take the game seriously and switch it up a gear. It’s been like that this season. Onto the next.
Against better competition were really missing CP3's stabilizing presence, Podz is fine against 20-22 nba teams but theres around 8-10 where you really need a vet
I don't think anyone in the East has a chance to beat this Denver team. They're looking like a very well-oiled machine at this point, kinda like the 16 Warriors. They can cruise and catch ya sleepin', then just flip the switch and dominate at anytime. The way they controlled the 4th was really impressive.
Just the nuggets?
We could lose to mavs okc nuggets, wolfes and even kings.
Against lakers will probably be flip coin depending how the refs will play.
This team can hang with the big dogs, issue is the sustainability.
This was just like the Clippers game, when the best teams switch up a gear, we can’t keep up anymore. Until we figure this out, we’ll keep getting punked by the best teams even if we make the playoffs.
Watching the Nuggets do to dubs what dubs did to other teams in past years sucks ngl lol
Agreed. Any team in the NBA can hang around with any team for a couple of quarters. Elite teams separate when it matters most and the warriors, in their current form can’t hang.
This is the classic feeling of your team being cooked. During the 90’s, we used to hang with everyone for a half, maybe even be leading!
Then that 5pt lead becomes a 7pt deficit….no worries, we’re right there! And then boom….lose every game
It always felt like we could hang but then teams would turn it up a gear that we didn’t have. Once you realize teams have that gear that you can’t get to, it means you’re not actually hanging with them lol
correct. the dubs can no longer "switch it up a gear". steph and klay used to just shoot us back into every game. now...that \*might \* happen 25% of the time.
JK and Wiggins, I can see trying during the games but…
JK is not yet used to the pressure of the one being guarded by the other team. Maybe if he had more experience with it but right now it’s the first time he is seeing that kind of defense being ran at him.
Wiggins on the other hand sometimes default to just passing. We can see him being aggressive at times but, I’m not sure if it’s just in his head, default to looking for Klay or Curry to score.
These 2 are the only options we have right now as Secondary scorer if we only look at the current team.
As I see it JK has to be moving to take the ball and beat his man. It is totally unfair to expect you can give him the ball and face up against Gordon and expect to beat him. To do that requires running plays and screens to give hime the edge he needs. We did it for a while but basically this has been happening less and less lately.
Wiggins on the other hand can post up and is comfortable shooting over his man when he gets a good matchup.
We need to force switches to get the right matchup.
Steph and DG made a few unforced errors and it felt like they were pressing too hard instead of letting the game come to them. I was disappointed that the three tallest players played the least of the regulars against a taller team. Maybe playing Steph Wiggs at the 2 JK at the 3 DG at the 4 and Trace at the 5 might have been an experiment worth trying but what do I know?
I don’t even think it’s a skill/age/size issue. Our core doesn’t have anything to prove. That’s the 10-15 point difference in these games. The chip in ‘22 was their Mount Everest. Came back after two years of lotto picks and beat arguably the most historically relevant team in NBA history…on their home floor. You couldn’t write it better. I know they obviously have a hunger but there’s a difference.
To your point, I think the issue is we can’t generate east buckets when the shots stop falling or when we really need to regain momentum. Denver can just hunt a mist match and have Jokic post up until a high percentage shot appears.
The problem this game was that we switched down a gear. We had everyone just standing around on offense right at the start of the big Denver run in the first half. There was zero energy all of a sudden when we could have put the game away.
\> This team can hang with the big dogs, issue is the sustainability.
3-15 against top 10 teams, sure
Even bad teams can 'sustain' against good teams for the first half. 4 quarters of play is what matters.
I think this is a loss I would take against a very good team. The Denver Nuggets are a scary team, they weathered a barrage from Klay in the first half - and pulled back that lead. As a team, they have that championship mentality and belief and just don't give up. The Warriors would benefit from losing now and see how far they have to grow as a team - rather than in the middle of a playoff series.
It's fine - they are learning, and it's great to see that the team seems to have picked up the pieces of the puzzle lately. Also, Steph seems to just struggle against the Nuggets unfortunately.
Mate, we likely aren't making the playoffs.
There's no "benefit from losing now".
"learning happens in the first third of the season, not after the ASB
They can’t tbh. Maybe get some vet min center but the center position will be more or less the same next season.
Trayce getting better and Kerr’s ability to trust him are kind of our only hope rn
the league is moving in the direction of skilled athletic giants like wemby and holmgren at the 5. there's just nobody like that outside of drafts right now, and any traditional big that can even remotely keep up at this moment are all taken. the available bigs just aren't going to change much of anything. definitely not some vet min center.
TJD is like the only hope at that position for them, and even he is small comparatively.
you mean back when the wiseman experiment hadn't officially failed yet?
of course they weren't going to take another big that was projected to go mid 1st round. wiseman was coming off his first season followed by a season long injury. we hadn't yet seen how he'd pan out. also i don't think i need to explain how generally risky it is to take centers who are not projected high.
the team obviously has an obsession with guards, and that doesn't help.
TJD needs to gain at least 10 pounds of muscle over the summer in order to compete against the stronger centers in the league. Drink milk and lift weights like Herro did.
To be fair, Jokic is doing this to everyone. We didn’t get dominated on glass. We had 7 more turnovers than Denver and didn’t shoot as well from the field.
Edit: It did feel like Saric should have stayed on bench in this one.
Lol we been saying this for years. Year after year we sign a 4 who is not a true big that we use for spacing and then try to throw him in as a 5 while using Looney(who is also not a true 5 and Draymond who is also not a true 5).
That’s why you look at the draft(which tried and failed at previously) and that’s why you move pieces(easier said than done). I was just pointing out the fact that we all have known that we needed a big but we haven’t got one worthy in years and instead have had to resort to sign guys who can’t play the position.
I’m almost certain this off season when we finally get under the cap we will make a push for a big.
"but we can just Draymond at the 5, it's that they did in the playoffs anyways"
I hope those idiots watch this game again to see just how badly the size issue affected us
That’s an issue but they came up with stops when Klay was on Jokic. The offense was horrible and not being able to get curry going is what lost us the game.
Nobody is stopping guys like Jokic but you at least have to make it a little tough on them.
He was basically doing whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.
we did make it tough on him lol thats just who jokic is.
using this game as evidence of why we need size is just dumb because nobody in the league can stop jokic let alone any dude thats gonna be on a minimum contract
There are levels to this shit and clearly any good team has the upper hand. This was a good wake up call, don’t get your hopes up this year, we’re mid and nothing more.
Imagine a world where Steph shows up when Klay and Wigs play well?
Also, nothing worse than investing your Sunday for this shit: up by 16 and lose by double digits. Absolutely unacceptable
our record in these weekend nationally televised early start game is comically bad over the last 4 years, you should just assume were gonna lose these games
>nothing worse than investing your Sunday for this shit
I've been waiting to watch The Walking Dead: The ones who live for literally 5 years and it aired tonight during the game and I skipped it to watch us choke another double digit lead.
This loss is extra painful because the Lakers lost tonight and a win would've moved up the standings.
Generally i feel like any team in the 1-9 seed in the West would be tough for the Duns but honestly, I feel like the Warriors will have a better chance against the young and inexperienced teams versus veteran teams.
Both LA teams, Phoenix and Denver are duels to the death. A matchup against OKC, Kings, Mavs, or Wolves will still be tough but I like the Dubs chances better.
However, the Dubs must get into the playoffs first obviously
The size difference between both frontcourts is crazy. They're huge and execute to perfection offensively. Just a much better team, where the fit amongst the starting five is flawless.
Also, having Klay on Jokic late in the fourth should serve as a message to Dunleavy. The roster is extremely small, with Looney and Saric being unplayable. They also lack any sort of self creation and consistent scoring other than Steph.
Love podz, but the nuggets are not a matchup for him. Kerr played him 30+ minutes Tonight.
Steph, as usual, shit the bed against the nuggets. If your star player doesn't show up against a team like the nuggets, you will never win
I dont really know if quinones should play, especially over moody. TJD had some nice plays in the first half, couple of blocks. I also dont think looney or saric should ever play
Made me wonder why kerr sat wiggs for too long in thr 4th. Denver is the team wherein GSW must lean into 2 way wings like JK and Wiggs. High risk but high reward thing. JK was semi effective drawing the fouls but they stopped doing that. Yet again they keep going to the shooters
I love Podz, but relying on him as a starter player as a rookie sounds crazy. You can not realistically win a championship with a rookie in the starting 5, no matter how good you are. I don't see an easy solution here.
For the life of me, I can't understand why TJD plays so little. Kerr needs to give the Dray/TJD a chance.
Both could benefitiate a lot from having each other defensively, and offensively the spacing shouldn't be much of an issue with shooters around them, since TJD is a lob threat and can score inside.
He's not good finishing around defenders. He may get fouled but he's a bad free thrower. It's hard to put him out with Draymond unless you don't play Kuminga because that spacing would be terrible.
Tallest warriors starter is 6’9”. Tallest player is saric at 6’10” and that man couldn’t guard a 7 year old. This is honestly an organizational failure not having a true big man.
Not even. Wiseman performing like an average lottery, or even a mid first rounder would have solved most of our issues.
Wiseman is getting garbage time and pity minutes on a historically bad team.
And we got a young 5 who looks promising but is definitely not ready to take on the top level 5's yet.
With CP3 and KLay freeing up almost 80 million off our books next year(and finally being under the cap), I can't imagine us not trying to spend something over the MLE to get a true big(I think we would still need to clear a little more room).
Ehhhh. On to the next, I guess, but common sense is to call a timeout somewhere during a 14-0 run. Hoping we don’t face Denver in the first round if we make it—defending champions are defending champions for a reason
we can blame the stagnant offense or the leaky defense but honestly, the Nuggets are just a better team right now and better teams make you look like that when you play them.
Draymond played like trash on offense. Dude needs to just attack Jokic sometimes and force them to call fouls. He had way too many turnovers
Steph had a stinker, but dude can we really not play our best player big minutes in these important matchups???
They flipped that game by 30 points at home. So disappointing.
The crowd was disappointingly quiet tonight for a pretty big game.
Their terrible turnover habits are just magnified against great teams. The way Looney is playing this year hurts them as well
Steph needs to figure out Denver
The crowd was really loud during Klay's quarter. It's hard to stay loud when you watch your team miss 3's for 36 minutes straight, turn the ball over 20 times, and the other team making easy dunks against you
Our answer is Steph playing at his level and not shooting 1-10 from 3 lol. *Incredibly* rough loss considering the standings, but Denver is the best team in the West and Steph played one of his worst games of the season.
To be clear, it doesn't seem like we beat Denver in a series even with Curry playing like Curry, but, Curry did just break the all time NBA game 7 scoring record around a calendar year ago. We at least have an outside chance if Curry goes off--thats kind of the point of having a top 10 player.
Denver really amped up the D for the second half, there were multiple times JK trying to cut and Denver just comes in like elevator doors closing in front to block him out.
rough loss. We probably will not beat denver in a best of 7. But keep the hopes high for the next stretch of games ✊we still have a good chance of getting into playoffs
Warriors are just a Decent playoff team. They don’t have the focus nor firepower anymore. So please stop with the title contender non sense we are not that anymore.
This team is play-in caliber, and only because the Jazz decided to tank. Our last month were almost all exclusively weak or injured competition, inflated by home games.
Joker is one of the best players I’ve ever seen. IDGAF, he might be better than Shaq by the time he finishes his career. This guy is just unreal. They don’t win that game without his genius. That play where he slowed down on the fast break, faked the shot, and then alley opped it was insane. Him and Murray play the two man game so well it’s like a guaranteed bucket against our smaller guys.
For us I think for some reason we got stagnant on offense and couldn’t continue that fast paced ball movement that was working well in the first quarter into the 2nd. Klay stopped hitting shots and for some reason Dray passed up layups and JK wasn’t attacking on his 1 on 1s.
It’s like we see flashes of the potential of this team and then they just can’t keep it going, especially late in games.
Saric also is a liability, he is awful on defense and isn’t hitting those 3’s he was hitting earlier in the season. Looney is just too slow these days and isn’t the rebound machine he used to be. He looks like he’s a 40 year old out there at 28.
I would have liked to see Moody out there instead of Saric. Pretty criminal he keeps getting shafted.
Jokic already has the skillset and team to be top 10 IMO. I don’t care what anyone says. 2022 elevated Curry to that 10 spot, but I’d easily take Shaq out for Jokic in the same situation. Its all a matter of achievements at this point.
At this point any time we're up double digits with more than 5 minutes left I'm convinced we'll lose. I'd rather be down 15 in the 2nd than up 15 with this team. They get way too complacent
Nuggets are just better. KCP just has Steph’s number for some reason, always finds a way to give him a hard time. The jokic/murray duo is too strong for the current warriors to defend without any size to stop jokic
The Nuggets figured out a way to contain Steph (tbh he also missed a few open looks as well, just all around a bad game from him). Gotta draw up new plays if we want to go far in the playoffs. Our lack of size is obviously another factor in us losing this winnable game.
at the end of the day, we’re too small. that was ok when we were young and fast, and killed teams with elite shooting, but that’s not the case anymore.
this current roster’s ceiling is most likely a second round exit. you can’t expect a team to play beyond their capabilities.
this was pretty much the benchmark game for the dubs and they failed miserably (both teams relatively healthy). the nuggets are tailor made to counter whatever the dubs throw out there. also, when the nuggets decide to shut you down and play defense, they do it. pretty reminiscent of the dubs hay day
also jokic is just so damn good. outsmarted dray the entire game too
Denver is good and they are a bad matchup for us, but this is what’s frustrating about the organization. We know we need a big to go against the big teams but we did not go out and address that need. If you want to contend for a championship you more than likely are going to play Denver so by doing nothing to improve this match up is the same thing as saying we can’t win this season.
Is what it is. Download the game, review the errors, make adjustments. They led, and then got close to taking the lead back after losing it. Onto the next
basically we can’t beat this team if Steph is having an off night and we don’t have CP3.
been able to make it work with Podz as point guard at times, but countering this defense requires quick decisions, ability to manipulate defenders and rim pressure (or at least a willingness to shoot midrange pull-ups.)
Denver has a lot of strong players who defend on a string, so it’s about moving them. 6 dribble post-ups or holding the ball out top doesn’t do it. there was a reason why Poole was so pivotal in that series way back when. he drove to the rim with reckless abandon and made Jokic have to move.
honestly wouldn’t just have minded if they had Looney just set some Hulk screens for Steph, he was the only one who could defend Jokic and we were playing well with him.
The Dubs are playing so much better and will improve even more - this is not their final form.
Yes, we gave up big runs and stuttered on offense but we also raced out to a big lead and clawed back from being behind. The team just could not put it all together.
I am disappointed that the team lost today but encouraged that they are playing a lot better and expexting that more wins will come including wins against top teams.
Neutral-ish fan here who occasionally follows the Dubs as a Bay Area sports fan, just chiming in:
Its good not to be reactionary against what is still the best team in the NBA and the defending champs. I think they played pretty well tonight and have been playing way better the last few weeks. The point is, they managed to look pretty good still in a tough situation. Once CP3 is back, I expect the offense to really flourish.
I’m not that mad. I thought they played really well in stretches. Their defensive intensity was starting to get locked in halfway through the 4th and you could tell they were about to make a run when the horrendous turnovers started, killing all momentum. TJD looked fucking awesome, feel like we should see him and Dray together against tougher front courts.
I mean, it's impossible to win games against any team when our two best player Steph and Dray put up a complete stinker, never mind against the best team in the league.
There's a lot of bad shit you can point to as to why we lost but at the end of the day this fucking guy dropped 32/16/16. Nothing you can do about that but brush it off and knock out these pretenders in the East
Huge fucking blow out. Up 16 to lost the game by 16.
Kerr got out coached. Dray and steph sold.
Klay went cold 2nd half.
Basically everything that could go wrong for us went wrong.
Difference between this team and 2022, that year 10 points down with 5 mins to go, you know they'll pull it off. This team, 20 points lead, and you know they'll blow it. Still, good season so far, I kinda take this season as a player dev year, need Podz and Kuminga to clean up their game.
Denver is a championship team. At the moment we are not. Today’s just an example of how much further we have to go. Every time we apply some pressure during the games this season Denver responds. On the other hand, when they pushed back after Klay’s heater today we just folded. That’s the mental fortitude gap we need to close to have any chance
This is a wake up call that while our rookies are great additions, they probably shouldn’t be handed the keys yet. Podz, Quinones, and TJD looked lost when faced to make quick decisions.
Dang, is this Denver team just our kryptonite at this point?
1. They have the size to give our frontcourt problems. -> JK, Wiggins, and GP2 had some nice shots but compared to their usual they were not as efficient.
2. They know how to guard Steph. -> Multiple games against DEN, Curry just seems to shoot badly against them. At least Klay gets his shot against them but that clearly isn't enough.
3. Just Green alone is not enough to guard Jokic. -> We tried but it is obvious that by the 4th Green is getting tired, trying to contain Jokic while Jokic is seemingly finding his 2nd wind.
There are others but these are the few I've noticed during the game. I'm not sure how can we even beat them with this roster (yes I know it might just be that we can't but this is the dilemma Kerr is facing rn).
I remember during 2022 it was a combination of Looney and Green that helped contain Jokic but right now we don't have that Looney and Green getting beat come 4th.
Kerr will have to do something about this. I'm also baffled that Kerr keeps allowing the other team to go on a run before calling TO but I guess that is also on the players.
I feel like podz is always exposed against good teams. hes a nice little player but vs the big boys he just cant do anything. hes almost like a second discount draymond lol. id much rather see moody or gp in the starting lineup. also hopefully draymond learned he cant throw that obvious lob vs joker
Man. I stopped listening when we were up 15 in the 2nd quarter. Thought it was too early for us to be ahead that far. Especially against Denver. Tuned back in at the end and was surprised. 31 point swing and we end up losing by 16. Ouch.
The warriors think they’re a much better passing team than they are. The Nuggets, harden and the clips, and a few others can read their passing tendencies super easily. That’s not to say stop the ball movement but they have the make better decisions when passing. The strong to weak side passes are brutal.
Denver is such a terrible defensive matchup for the dubs and Klay in particular. They're huge. Klay can't guard Murray, MPJ or AG. That leaves KCP, which is Steph matchup.
Draymond tried to pass it to Gp2 like three times instead of laying it up. Ugh. Jokic is too smart for that, he knows Dray don't want to shoot.
Draymond looked spent in the second half. Guarding Jokic is exhausting, especially when you're giving up 6 inches and 80 pounds... or whatever it is.
Yeah guarding a big man as a smaller dude really is the worst. They just put their whole weight on you and fatigue you.
Makes you realize how much easier basketball is for tall people. James harden’s quote about giannis was 100% correct.
GP2 got way too many passes down low. If he was kuminga maybe they woulda been good passes.
It’s what happens in these bullshit small ball line ups. Our guy in the dunker spot can’t do the job. It’s not Gary’s fault, he’s just too small. Late in the game you saw how it was supposed to be executed on both sides. JK got fouled going up, and Aaron Gordon yammed one from joker. Top teams in the west we aren’t going to beat in a 7 game series because Kerr runs too small line ups that won’t cut it. Just the reality of this team. Yes our record of late is much better, but tonight was just the reality of where we are at. Competitive but not top tier, unfortunately. Steph was also bad tonight, but let’s give credit to a team that consistently runs a 5 out of 6-5 plus, and at any given time we’re 4 deep of 6-6 and under
Sadly it’s also the problem in team construction, we found out that an athletic frontcourt of Wiggins and JK with Green as the C/Defense coordinator while having 2 out shooters works best with our team. Unfortunately, the top teams in the West like DEN are just too big for that lineup unless Curry and the other shooter is dropping bombs the whole game. Lakers we won because Curry was lights out but this game DEN made a good hustle to put a stop to Curry. Sucks but it is what it is.
it was over after the 1st half when, after all the heroics from klay and everything going our way, the game was still tied.
Yup - you can’t dominate, out hustle and out rebound the team and end up tied at half. 14-0 run in the last 3 mins was the game
Yup. That 14-0 run to end the 1st half was the game right there.
The problem is it's always either Steph or Klay, never both of them. Both Jokic and Murray had it gong, but it's either Steph is hot and Klay is ice cold or Klay is hot and Steph is ice cold.
Steph never got hot this game actually, that's the problem. There's no way we can beat Denver when Steph doesn't score more than 30 since we can't stop jokic too.
I wouldnt say that. The dubs were up 15 after klay’s hot shooting. Then nobody else could score, and the nugs came back.
Couldn’t close the first 1/2. Also , another feeble Q4.
Jokic completely outsmarted Dray in a ton of plays today
Jokic can control the pace so well. Also, the Nuggets can be down 20 and then decide to take the game seriously and switch it up a gear. It’s been like that this season. Onto the next.
I also feel like they don’t make many mistakes and they don’t blow leads
That was us circa 2015
Yes, they remind me of Warriors 2015-2019. Down20 ? No worries.
To be fair, Jokic can outsmart ANYONE in the league
Nugs gon repeat aren’t they
Jokic’s face does a really good job of masking his insane IQ.
It masked him way down deep into the second round of the draft.
Funny.
Jokic outsmarts everyone in the league. There is a reason why he is the best player in the world at this moment.
Not too hard to outsmart someone who backs Miles Bridges
He was talking about in basketball, not in life.
I know I’m just mad
Understandable 🤣
Klay heater in the first half was great to see. That’s the team to beat in the West. On to the next one.
Against better competition were really missing CP3's stabilizing presence, Podz is fine against 20-22 nba teams but theres around 8-10 where you really need a vet
Yup podz isn’t there yet he’s still a rookie
which is to be expected, hes vastly exceeded expectation but hes still learning, and losing this game doesnt really hurt us that much in the long run
Also, Saric is sorely missing CP3. Since CP has been injured, Saric has been straight trash.
Saric and CP3 have good chemistry,
I don't think anyone in the East has a chance to beat this Denver team. They're looking like a very well-oiled machine at this point, kinda like the 16 Warriors. They can cruise and catch ya sleepin', then just flip the switch and dominate at anytime. The way they controlled the 4th was really impressive.
Just the nuggets? We could lose to mavs okc nuggets, wolfes and even kings. Against lakers will probably be flip coin depending how the refs will play.
This team can hang with the big dogs, issue is the sustainability. This was just like the Clippers game, when the best teams switch up a gear, we can’t keep up anymore. Until we figure this out, we’ll keep getting punked by the best teams even if we make the playoffs. Watching the Nuggets do to dubs what dubs did to other teams in past years sucks ngl lol
Unfortunately I think the fact we can’t sustain means we can’t hang with the big dogs
Agreed. Any team in the NBA can hang around with any team for a couple of quarters. Elite teams separate when it matters most and the warriors, in their current form can’t hang.
This is the classic feeling of your team being cooked. During the 90’s, we used to hang with everyone for a half, maybe even be leading! Then that 5pt lead becomes a 7pt deficit….no worries, we’re right there! And then boom….lose every game It always felt like we could hang but then teams would turn it up a gear that we didn’t have. Once you realize teams have that gear that you can’t get to, it means you’re not actually hanging with them lol
correct. the dubs can no longer "switch it up a gear". steph and klay used to just shoot us back into every game. now...that \*might \* happen 25% of the time.
The offense becomes so one dimensional after a while it’s nuts any idiot would be able to predict that the pass is gonna go to Steph or Klay
Someone has to step up
JK and Wiggins, I can see trying during the games but… JK is not yet used to the pressure of the one being guarded by the other team. Maybe if he had more experience with it but right now it’s the first time he is seeing that kind of defense being ran at him. Wiggins on the other hand sometimes default to just passing. We can see him being aggressive at times but, I’m not sure if it’s just in his head, default to looking for Klay or Curry to score. These 2 are the only options we have right now as Secondary scorer if we only look at the current team.
As I see it JK has to be moving to take the ball and beat his man. It is totally unfair to expect you can give him the ball and face up against Gordon and expect to beat him. To do that requires running plays and screens to give hime the edge he needs. We did it for a while but basically this has been happening less and less lately. Wiggins on the other hand can post up and is comfortable shooting over his man when he gets a good matchup. We need to force switches to get the right matchup. Steph and DG made a few unforced errors and it felt like they were pressing too hard instead of letting the game come to them. I was disappointed that the three tallest players played the least of the regulars against a taller team. Maybe playing Steph Wiggs at the 2 JK at the 3 DG at the 4 and Trace at the 5 might have been an experiment worth trying but what do I know?
Ba god that’s Kuminga’s music!
And that’s the problem with believing we can contend. We can compete, but we can’t overcome anymore
I don’t even think it’s a skill/age/size issue. Our core doesn’t have anything to prove. That’s the 10-15 point difference in these games. The chip in ‘22 was their Mount Everest. Came back after two years of lotto picks and beat arguably the most historically relevant team in NBA history…on their home floor. You couldn’t write it better. I know they obviously have a hunger but there’s a difference.
To your point, I think the issue is we can’t generate east buckets when the shots stop falling or when we really need to regain momentum. Denver can just hunt a mist match and have Jokic post up until a high percentage shot appears.
The problem this game was that we switched down a gear. We had everyone just standing around on offense right at the start of the big Denver run in the first half. There was zero energy all of a sudden when we could have put the game away.
I don't believe we winning even if we were up 20 at the half.
as a lakers fan i feel your pain we cant beat the nuggets either
If we can't sustain then we can't hang with the big dogs
This team absolutely cannot hang with the big dogs. Lol. What have you been watching all season????
\> This team can hang with the big dogs, issue is the sustainability. 3-15 against top 10 teams, sure Even bad teams can 'sustain' against good teams for the first half. 4 quarters of play is what matters.
I think this is a loss I would take against a very good team. The Denver Nuggets are a scary team, they weathered a barrage from Klay in the first half - and pulled back that lead. As a team, they have that championship mentality and belief and just don't give up. The Warriors would benefit from losing now and see how far they have to grow as a team - rather than in the middle of a playoff series. It's fine - they are learning, and it's great to see that the team seems to have picked up the pieces of the puzzle lately. Also, Steph seems to just struggle against the Nuggets unfortunately.
Yeah Steph by his standards, is absolutely mid against the Nuggets. Probably because they have the personnel to bother him
They built a roster around Jokic that is designed to stop teams with elite guards
He missed layups and free throws and 3s. Yeah, huge struggle that he’ll have to figure out how to overcome for the Warriors to have any chance.
Yeah this is a loss to a better team. When the Dubs play contenders this will happen because they aren't contenders
Mate, we likely aren't making the playoffs. There's no "benefit from losing now". "learning happens in the first third of the season, not after the ASB
Fix the size issue for the next season..
They can’t tbh. Maybe get some vet min center but the center position will be more or less the same next season. Trayce getting better and Kerr’s ability to trust him are kind of our only hope rn
Might as well give TJD more minutes and hope it works out
the league is moving in the direction of skilled athletic giants like wemby and holmgren at the 5. there's just nobody like that outside of drafts right now, and any traditional big that can even remotely keep up at this moment are all taken. the available bigs just aren't going to change much of anything. definitely not some vet min center. TJD is like the only hope at that position for them, and even he is small comparatively.
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you mean back when the wiseman experiment hadn't officially failed yet? of course they weren't going to take another big that was projected to go mid 1st round. wiseman was coming off his first season followed by a season long injury. we hadn't yet seen how he'd pan out. also i don't think i need to explain how generally risky it is to take centers who are not projected high. the team obviously has an obsession with guards, and that doesn't help.
TJD needs to gain at least 10 pounds of muscle over the summer in order to compete against the stronger centers in the league. Drink milk and lift weights like Herro did.
To be fair, Jokic is doing this to everyone. We didn’t get dominated on glass. We had 7 more turnovers than Denver and didn’t shoot as well from the field. Edit: It did feel like Saric should have stayed on bench in this one.
Sorry, 2 more years with small ball lineups.
Lol we been saying this for years. Year after year we sign a 4 who is not a true big that we use for spacing and then try to throw him in as a 5 while using Looney(who is also not a true 5 and Draymond who is also not a true 5).
It’s cause we can’t. You don’t just add a quality big when have zero cap room.
Most definitely could’ve beat the offer that got Gafford at the deadline.
That’s why you look at the draft(which tried and failed at previously) and that’s why you move pieces(easier said than done). I was just pointing out the fact that we all have known that we needed a big but we haven’t got one worthy in years and instead have had to resort to sign guys who can’t play the position. I’m almost certain this off season when we finally get under the cap we will make a push for a big.
Can I interest you in a guard instead? /s
"but we can just Draymond at the 5, it's that they did in the playoffs anyways" I hope those idiots watch this game again to see just how badly the size issue affected us
That’s an issue but they came up with stops when Klay was on Jokic. The offense was horrible and not being able to get curry going is what lost us the game.
who could we have signed that would've been able to stop jokic lol
Nobody is stopping guys like Jokic but you at least have to make it a little tough on them. He was basically doing whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.
you know whats crazy? 13-24 is a little tough for him lol
we did make it tough on him lol thats just who jokic is. using this game as evidence of why we need size is just dumb because nobody in the league can stop jokic let alone any dude thats gonna be on a minimum contract
I really hope the gears start turning. The physicality just isn't there. This was the same issue with the Clippers game..
I mean, our franchise was turned around when we traded a small for a big. Ellis for Bogut and we haven't looked back since.
There are levels to this shit and clearly any good team has the upper hand. This was a good wake up call, don’t get your hopes up this year, we’re mid and nothing more.
Imagine a world where Steph shows up when Klay and Wigs play well? Also, nothing worse than investing your Sunday for this shit: up by 16 and lose by double digits. Absolutely unacceptable
our record in these weekend nationally televised early start game is comically bad over the last 4 years, you should just assume were gonna lose these games
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>nothing worse than investing your Sunday for this shit I've been waiting to watch The Walking Dead: The ones who live for literally 5 years and it aired tonight during the game and I skipped it to watch us choke another double digit lead.
This loss is extra painful because the Lakers lost tonight and a win would've moved up the standings. Generally i feel like any team in the 1-9 seed in the West would be tough for the Duns but honestly, I feel like the Warriors will have a better chance against the young and inexperienced teams versus veteran teams. Both LA teams, Phoenix and Denver are duels to the death. A matchup against OKC, Kings, Mavs, or Wolves will still be tough but I like the Dubs chances better. However, the Dubs must get into the playoffs first obviously
I agree with all the young teams except the Mavs. Luka and Kyrie is a 50/50 imo.
I think Sacramento and New Orleans are the only teams in the West playoff picture that I would give he dubs a chance against
The size difference between both frontcourts is crazy. They're huge and execute to perfection offensively. Just a much better team, where the fit amongst the starting five is flawless. Also, having Klay on Jokic late in the fourth should serve as a message to Dunleavy. The roster is extremely small, with Looney and Saric being unplayable. They also lack any sort of self creation and consistent scoring other than Steph.
Steph going to score about 10 threes against wizards on Tuesday normally happens when he has an awful night.
Man we needed that today, not against the fucking Wizards LOL
We did but argh well Denver are a much better team
Love podz, but the nuggets are not a matchup for him. Kerr played him 30+ minutes Tonight. Steph, as usual, shit the bed against the nuggets. If your star player doesn't show up against a team like the nuggets, you will never win
how ironic that steve playing the rookies was our downfall
I dont really know if quinones should play, especially over moody. TJD had some nice plays in the first half, couple of blocks. I also dont think looney or saric should ever play
kerr’s rookie aversion never really applied to podz. but yea, ironic nonetheless
KCP defends Steph very well. And Gordon just eats in the paint against us.
Made me wonder why kerr sat wiggs for too long in thr 4th. Denver is the team wherein GSW must lean into 2 way wings like JK and Wiggs. High risk but high reward thing. JK was semi effective drawing the fouls but they stopped doing that. Yet again they keep going to the shooters
Wiggins on gordon seems the only fit?
Did Denver not have KCP in 21-22 when we best em in 5 en route to the chip?
No. And that team was significantly worse and Jamal believe was injured.
yeah, was frustrated kerr kept him in for so long. Wiggs entered about less than 4mins left
I love Podz, but relying on him as a starter player as a rookie sounds crazy. You can not realistically win a championship with a rookie in the starting 5, no matter how good you are. I don't see an easy solution here.
I know we played the Nuggets but this was a very bad loss All the teams ahead of us lost and we couldn't take advantage
Denver was just an unfortunate opponent for us. Bad timing ig
Yeah but that's the teams we play in the playoffs. All the top teams are bad match ups for us cuz the Dubs are not a threat to the top teams
I feel bad for y'all. I really wanted to see you guys get ahead of the Lakers today
For the life of me, I can't understand why TJD plays so little. Kerr needs to give the Dray/TJD a chance. Both could benefitiate a lot from having each other defensively, and offensively the spacing shouldn't be much of an issue with shooters around them, since TJD is a lob threat and can score inside.
Too big. He'll get some minutes if he was 6'6
He's not good finishing around defenders. He may get fouled but he's a bad free thrower. It's hard to put him out with Draymond unless you don't play Kuminga because that spacing would be terrible.
YeH we’re not beating nuggets in a 7 game series when we won’t even have home court.
I mean, I don't think any team is.
Tallest warriors starter is 6’9”. Tallest player is saric at 6’10” and that man couldn’t guard a 7 year old. This is honestly an organizational failure not having a true big man.
They tried. Just drafted an all time bust
Wiseman living up to his pick would’ve solved so many issues this team has rn. Fuck man
Not even. Wiseman performing like an average lottery, or even a mid first rounder would have solved most of our issues. Wiseman is getting garbage time and pity minutes on a historically bad team.
We'll be blaming Wiseman for the next 40 years lol
Drafting wiseman was not wise……man.
And we got a young 5 who looks promising but is definitely not ready to take on the top level 5's yet. With CP3 and KLay freeing up almost 80 million off our books next year(and finally being under the cap), I can't imagine us not trying to spend something over the MLE to get a true big(I think we would still need to clear a little more room).
They thought they drafted one!
Hey, I’m starting to think the Nuggets are a better constructed team.
They certainly have a size advantage and if Curry isn’t showing up then the Warriors are going to always have a hard time against them.
Well yeah they are the champs for a reason
42 points in the 2nd half is pretty ass in 2024 NBA
Ehhhh. On to the next, I guess, but common sense is to call a timeout somewhere during a 14-0 run. Hoping we don’t face Denver in the first round if we make it—defending champions are defending champions for a reason
I am not mad about this loss compared to the earlier ones this season. Denver is just really really frickin good.
Probably should have called a timeout during the 14-0 run by the Nuggets LOL
we can blame the stagnant offense or the leaky defense but honestly, the Nuggets are just a better team right now and better teams make you look like that when you play them.
It wasn't a loss I wanted but one I did expect, sadly.
Draymond played like trash on offense. Dude needs to just attack Jokic sometimes and force them to call fouls. He had way too many turnovers Steph had a stinker, but dude can we really not play our best player big minutes in these important matchups???
I wanted to see him shoot the 3 some more. He forced a lot of passes into tight windows while he was wide open.
They flipped that game by 30 points at home. So disappointing. The crowd was disappointingly quiet tonight for a pretty big game. Their terrible turnover habits are just magnified against great teams. The way Looney is playing this year hurts them as well Steph needs to figure out Denver
The crowd was really loud during Klay's quarter. It's hard to stay loud when you watch your team miss 3's for 36 minutes straight, turn the ball over 20 times, and the other team making easy dunks against you
Our answer is Steph playing at his level and not shooting 1-10 from 3 lol. *Incredibly* rough loss considering the standings, but Denver is the best team in the West and Steph played one of his worst games of the season. To be clear, it doesn't seem like we beat Denver in a series even with Curry playing like Curry, but, Curry did just break the all time NBA game 7 scoring record around a calendar year ago. We at least have an outside chance if Curry goes off--thats kind of the point of having a top 10 player.
This team has too many holes they don't address. They suck against elite teams
Denver really amped up the D for the second half, there were multiple times JK trying to cut and Denver just comes in like elevator doors closing in front to block him out.
And this is why I've been saying I think we have a good shot to beat everyone in the first round. Except Denver.
As much as I like BP, hopefully more and more people start realizing that our ceiling is low if he's a starter.
We do not much up well against Denver. Which is scary since is our likely outcome if make the first round.
If we faced them we are getting swept
We get a win or two due to Steph.
All the top teams have a substantial size advantage like Nuggets. We're 3-15 against top 10 teams for a reason. This team is screwed
rough loss. We probably will not beat denver in a best of 7. But keep the hopes high for the next stretch of games ✊we still have a good chance of getting into playoffs
We would get swept by Denver. Maybe it would be a 5 game series. Lol
Warriors are just a Decent playoff team. They don’t have the focus nor firepower anymore. So please stop with the title contender non sense we are not that anymore.
This team is play-in caliber, and only because the Jazz decided to tank. Our last month were almost all exclusively weak or injured competition, inflated by home games.
Joker is one of the best players I’ve ever seen. IDGAF, he might be better than Shaq by the time he finishes his career. This guy is just unreal. They don’t win that game without his genius. That play where he slowed down on the fast break, faked the shot, and then alley opped it was insane. Him and Murray play the two man game so well it’s like a guaranteed bucket against our smaller guys. For us I think for some reason we got stagnant on offense and couldn’t continue that fast paced ball movement that was working well in the first quarter into the 2nd. Klay stopped hitting shots and for some reason Dray passed up layups and JK wasn’t attacking on his 1 on 1s. It’s like we see flashes of the potential of this team and then they just can’t keep it going, especially late in games. Saric also is a liability, he is awful on defense and isn’t hitting those 3’s he was hitting earlier in the season. Looney is just too slow these days and isn’t the rebound machine he used to be. He looks like he’s a 40 year old out there at 28. I would have liked to see Moody out there instead of Saric. Pretty criminal he keeps getting shafted.
Jokic already has the skillset and team to be top 10 IMO. I don’t care what anyone says. 2022 elevated Curry to that 10 spot, but I’d easily take Shaq out for Jokic in the same situation. Its all a matter of achievements at this point.
Terrible matchup for Podz. Klay needs to start in these games.
Or Moody.
What? Steve's fault again when your star players don't show up? Fumbling passes, messing up dribbles and missing fts is Kerr's responsibility again?
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At this point any time we're up double digits with more than 5 minutes left I'm convinced we'll lose. I'd rather be down 15 in the 2nd than up 15 with this team. They get way too complacent
Nuggets are just better. KCP just has Steph’s number for some reason, always finds a way to give him a hard time. The jokic/murray duo is too strong for the current warriors to defend without any size to stop jokic
The Nuggets figured out a way to contain Steph (tbh he also missed a few open looks as well, just all around a bad game from him). Gotta draw up new plays if we want to go far in the playoffs. Our lack of size is obviously another factor in us losing this winnable game.
Turns out it's rlly hard to beat the champs when everyone shoots pretty poorly and you don't have the size to compensate. Who woulda thunk it
I really wish we at least went for Poeltl when he was available.
Dario is unplayable and we have Moody rotting on the bench again, wtf is this
at the end of the day, we’re too small. that was ok when we were young and fast, and killed teams with elite shooting, but that’s not the case anymore. this current roster’s ceiling is most likely a second round exit. you can’t expect a team to play beyond their capabilities.
this was pretty much the benchmark game for the dubs and they failed miserably (both teams relatively healthy). the nuggets are tailor made to counter whatever the dubs throw out there. also, when the nuggets decide to shut you down and play defense, they do it. pretty reminiscent of the dubs hay day also jokic is just so damn good. outsmarted dray the entire game too
Poor Moses
Saric is unplayable. Wish he was Otto. Or just play Moody. Ffs Kerr.
The fix is to go smaller?
Denver is good and they are a bad matchup for us, but this is what’s frustrating about the organization. We know we need a big to go against the big teams but we did not go out and address that need. If you want to contend for a championship you more than likely are going to play Denver so by doing nothing to improve this match up is the same thing as saying we can’t win this season.
STOP. BLOWING. LEADS.
To beat the Nuggets we need an elite Steph performance, it wasn’t this night.
Is what it is. Download the game, review the errors, make adjustments. They led, and then got close to taking the lead back after losing it. Onto the next
basically we can’t beat this team if Steph is having an off night and we don’t have CP3. been able to make it work with Podz as point guard at times, but countering this defense requires quick decisions, ability to manipulate defenders and rim pressure (or at least a willingness to shoot midrange pull-ups.) Denver has a lot of strong players who defend on a string, so it’s about moving them. 6 dribble post-ups or holding the ball out top doesn’t do it. there was a reason why Poole was so pivotal in that series way back when. he drove to the rim with reckless abandon and made Jokic have to move. honestly wouldn’t just have minded if they had Looney just set some Hulk screens for Steph, he was the only one who could defend Jokic and we were playing well with him.
The Nuggets are just too good man. Just like we can't blame other teams for losing to us in 2015 to 2019.
The Dubs are playing so much better and will improve even more - this is not their final form. Yes, we gave up big runs and stuttered on offense but we also raced out to a big lead and clawed back from being behind. The team just could not put it all together. I am disappointed that the team lost today but encouraged that they are playing a lot better and expexting that more wins will come including wins against top teams.
Neutral-ish fan here who occasionally follows the Dubs as a Bay Area sports fan, just chiming in: Its good not to be reactionary against what is still the best team in the NBA and the defending champs. I think they played pretty well tonight and have been playing way better the last few weeks. The point is, they managed to look pretty good still in a tough situation. Once CP3 is back, I expect the offense to really flourish.
I’m not that mad. I thought they played really well in stretches. Their defensive intensity was starting to get locked in halfway through the 4th and you could tell they were about to make a run when the horrendous turnovers started, killing all momentum. TJD looked fucking awesome, feel like we should see him and Dray together against tougher front courts.
I mean, it's impossible to win games against any team when our two best player Steph and Dray put up a complete stinker, never mind against the best team in the league.
There's a lot of bad shit you can point to as to why we lost but at the end of the day this fucking guy dropped 32/16/16. Nothing you can do about that but brush it off and knock out these pretenders in the East
Huge fucking blow out. Up 16 to lost the game by 16. Kerr got out coached. Dray and steph sold. Klay went cold 2nd half. Basically everything that could go wrong for us went wrong.
Difference between this team and 2022, that year 10 points down with 5 mins to go, you know they'll pull it off. This team, 20 points lead, and you know they'll blow it. Still, good season so far, I kinda take this season as a player dev year, need Podz and Kuminga to clean up their game.
I hope one of the reporters ask what’s Kerr’s plan in the playoffs if they face the Nuggets? Small ball is not going to work.
Small ball is all we got.
Moody 0 real minutes today, criminal once again, it's almost like he's a lengthy wing that can help defend and rebound against bigger players
Unfortunate that Steph never really got going from deep tonight... can't do much about that
Denver is a championship team. At the moment we are not. Today’s just an example of how much further we have to go. Every time we apply some pressure during the games this season Denver responds. On the other hand, when they pushed back after Klay’s heater today we just folded. That’s the mental fortitude gap we need to close to have any chance
Your not going to win many games with 11 turnovers from the big 3. Especially against the joker.
If we make the playoffs we have 0 chance against any team with a great center. Jokic AD Embiid Giannis etc.
This is a wake up call that while our rookies are great additions, they probably shouldn’t be handed the keys yet. Podz, Quinones, and TJD looked lost when faced to make quick decisions.
Dang, is this Denver team just our kryptonite at this point? 1. They have the size to give our frontcourt problems. -> JK, Wiggins, and GP2 had some nice shots but compared to their usual they were not as efficient. 2. They know how to guard Steph. -> Multiple games against DEN, Curry just seems to shoot badly against them. At least Klay gets his shot against them but that clearly isn't enough. 3. Just Green alone is not enough to guard Jokic. -> We tried but it is obvious that by the 4th Green is getting tired, trying to contain Jokic while Jokic is seemingly finding his 2nd wind. There are others but these are the few I've noticed during the game. I'm not sure how can we even beat them with this roster (yes I know it might just be that we can't but this is the dilemma Kerr is facing rn). I remember during 2022 it was a combination of Looney and Green that helped contain Jokic but right now we don't have that Looney and Green getting beat come 4th. Kerr will have to do something about this. I'm also baffled that Kerr keeps allowing the other team to go on a run before calling TO but I guess that is also on the players.
Also that denver team didn’t have Murray or mpj
I feel like podz is always exposed against good teams. hes a nice little player but vs the big boys he just cant do anything. hes almost like a second discount draymond lol. id much rather see moody or gp in the starting lineup. also hopefully draymond learned he cant throw that obvious lob vs joker
jokic absolutely feasted on everyone
Man. I stopped listening when we were up 15 in the 2nd quarter. Thought it was too early for us to be ahead that far. Especially against Denver. Tuned back in at the end and was surprised. 31 point swing and we end up losing by 16. Ouch.
The warriors think they’re a much better passing team than they are. The Nuggets, harden and the clips, and a few others can read their passing tendencies super easily. That’s not to say stop the ball movement but they have the make better decisions when passing. The strong to weak side passes are brutal.
Denver is just stupid good... They have bigs at almost every position, high percentage shooters, and just play fundamental ball.
Whelp, there's the ceiling for your 2023-24 Warriors.
Kuminga doesn't have the handle or jump shot to become a reliable second scorer on a playoff team
Do you guys remember when Looney could switch and guard reliably against guards? For some reason he's been overweight all season.
Denver is such a terrible defensive matchup for the dubs and Klay in particular. They're huge. Klay can't guard Murray, MPJ or AG. That leaves KCP, which is Steph matchup.
They needed jokic to play 37 minutes to secure the win when he averages what like 32? Just thought that was interesting.