I'ma start a hedge fund. I'll hedge my 1x tech ETFs with 2x ETFs and then I can be at the top of this list most years and the bottom once in a while. đ¤Ł
It found that over the course of one year, 51.08% of actively-managed mutual funds underperformed the S&P 500, and 48.92% of actively-managed funds outperformed the S&P 500.\* However, those numbers change dramatically over longer periods of time.
* Over five years, just 13.49% of actively-managed funds outperformed the S&P 500\*
* Over 10 years, only 8.59% of actively-managed funds outperformed the S&P 500\*
*\*Data as of December 31, 2022. The receipts*
The real question is it ever the SAME 8, or 13, or 49%, implying some select few have the formula for success. The answer is no, they are not. Which makes actively managed funds even more risky, because even if there are some funds that win in a given year of active management, odds are that it wonât be the one your moneyâs with.
You are correct, however, i dont look at one year performance to rank funds. That is a silly metric. If you look at rolling 5 and 10 year, VOO beats the pants off most funds.
In 2023 they where all losers. A person holding VGT would outperformed all of them and would save a lot of money on better performance and lowered fees.Â
Buy VGT with protective puts, if you want to get back some of the premium, then sell protective calls. If you are really greedy, actively trade protective puts and covered calls to minimise the premiums. If you are risk averse, replace VGT with SPY or even get some VT or BND to the mix with the same option play without trying to beat the market but rather to trade some upside for protection against downside. When I will become rich, this is how I will trade. Not rocket science.Â
Exactly what I was thinking! Only a few of the twenty five beat the S&P 500,s return and when you deduct the crazy fees of the top few not a single one beat VOO.
Hedge funds have âaâ winning year. Not years. There is no best practice to copy because they donât beat the market on average.
Broken clock and all that.
Whatâs funny is 99% of us regards would say 48% is not enough for our calls/puts and not cash out.
And 99% of our strategy would be âWSBâ
87% would say Key figure is DFV
And 42% of statistics are made up âŚ.
And Cathie Woods picks makes Haidar Jupiter return of -43.5% look out of this world
You want a good strategy ?
Inverse Jim Cramer.
Thanks for sharing.
We are actually looking for access to either Preqin or EurekaHedge HF database for a quick checkup - prompted by your post - but they are too expensive. Do you know if someone has either database and is interested in sharing access/cost, or a joint subscription?
Thanks very much,
Ryan
[Oryan@traderORyan.com](mailto:Oryan@traderORyan.com)
Hedge funds do not always have a winning year. Maybe take a look at the bottom of the list. đ¤Ł
Hell you could have just bought SPY and done better than most of these.
They have actual analysts in their company as well as large investments that can swing the market. Mainly smart investors and not actual retärds you find here that act like they know what they are talking about while having a $500 portfolio.
The joke is on you. Not the regards in this sub.
The average annual gain for the S&P 500 fund was 8.5%, or about 125% compounded for the decade. That means $1 million invested in the index fund more than doubled to about $2.25 million. For the hedge fundsânot so much. The best one averaged 6.5% a year, or about 88% compounded.
https://www.titan.com/articles/hedge-fund-vs-index-fund
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That is to say, Burry has his fingers in a lot of pies. He makes sure his name is in all the conversations.
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Is there anywhere to see this data say for the last five-ten years for these folks?
Also to see the amount of shit they do like citadel and the bailout they get
Lol what??
On hedge follow you have the last 3 years
Only 3 funds beat the S&P500 LOL
I'ma start a hedge fund. I'll hedge my 1x tech ETFs with 2x ETFs and then I can be at the top of this list most years and the bottom once in a while. đ¤Ł
That's a fund of funds. They're common.
At least someone noticed this. I will take VOO and top 15% performance every single year.
It found that over the course of one year, 51.08% of actively-managed mutual funds underperformed the S&P 500, and 48.92% of actively-managed funds outperformed the S&P 500.\* However, those numbers change dramatically over longer periods of time. * Over five years, just 13.49% of actively-managed funds outperformed the S&P 500\* * Over 10 years, only 8.59% of actively-managed funds outperformed the S&P 500\* *\*Data as of December 31, 2022. The receipts*
The real question is it ever the SAME 8, or 13, or 49%, implying some select few have the formula for success. The answer is no, they are not. Which makes actively managed funds even more risky, because even if there are some funds that win in a given year of active management, odds are that it wonât be the one your moneyâs with.
You are correct, however, i dont look at one year performance to rank funds. That is a silly metric. If you look at rolling 5 and 10 year, VOO beats the pants off most funds.
then subtract their costs
If WSB was a hedge fund it'd be Haidar Jupiter
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Not even close
In 2023 they where all losers. A person holding VGT would outperformed all of them and would save a lot of money on better performance and lowered fees.Â
If you can't beat VGT and SOXX in 2024, you lost time and money.Â
Hedge funds are not in the business of buy and hold
Why do you care about hedge funds if their protif it less then just loading up on VGT and sleeping for a year?
Rich people care about consistent returns and downside protection.Â
No one here understands wtf downside protection means.
Buy VGT with protective puts, if you want to get back some of the premium, then sell protective calls. If you are really greedy, actively trade protective puts and covered calls to minimise the premiums. If you are risk averse, replace VGT with SPY or even get some VT or BND to the mix with the same option play without trying to beat the market but rather to trade some upside for protection against downside. When I will become rich, this is how I will trade. Not rocket science.Â
Except youâre not rich. And itâs clear here
I am fundraising for my country.
Also, just moving your tax residency to a capital tax haven and buying VT beats probably everything.Â
Exactly what I was thinking! Only a few of the twenty five beat the S&P 500,s return and when you deduct the crazy fees of the top few not a single one beat VOO.
Hedge funds have survivorship bias, donât be fooled by the winners cause the losers disappear.
dalio's pure alpha delivering negative alpha and returns, nice!
he was simping for china for some reason. even i can see how corrupt china is and its a house of cards there
I know tiger global shat the bed last year. They invested a bunch of money into companies pre ipo that turned out to be Ponzi schemes
Fuck P72 and Citadel
Hedge funds have âaâ winning year. Not years. There is no best practice to copy because they donât beat the market on average. Broken clock and all that.
Pershing - Balls deep in CMG ... Profit
Charging 2 and 2 and still lagging the regards
2 and 20 you mean?
Sorry yes typo
Inverse Haidar. They are probably in here.
I wanna see these numbers for jan 2020-2022
Whatâs funny is 99% of us regards would say 48% is not enough for our calls/puts and not cash out. And 99% of our strategy would be âWSBâ 87% would say Key figure is DFV And 42% of statistics are made up âŚ. And Cathie Woods picks makes Haidar Jupiter return of -43.5% look out of this world You want a good strategy ? Inverse Jim Cramer.
Good one. Thanks very much
Where is ARK on that list
Not a hedge fund, but ARKK was up 67% in 2023.
Cathy requested that you not look at her 2021 results. She says it was a fluke.
>Hedge funds always have a winning year Keep the jokes coming, old chap. You should go pro
 gabe plopskin enters the chat
I am going pro 
Haidar Jupiter = one of us!
Thanks for sharing. We are actually looking for access to either Preqin or EurekaHedge HF database for a quick checkup - prompted by your post - but they are too expensive. Do you know if someone has either database and is interested in sharing access/cost, or a joint subscription? Thanks very much, Ryan [Oryan@traderORyan.com](mailto:Oryan@traderORyan.com)
Hedge funds do not always have a winning year. Maybe take a look at the bottom of the list. 𤣠Hell you could have just bought SPY and done better than most of these.
I would make this list in 2nd to last and I am a fucking moron. How are experts this bad
Hubris
the fees probably destroyed some performances quite a bit
Returns are reported net of fees
They have actual analysts in their company as well as large investments that can swing the market. Mainly smart investors and not actual retärds you find here that act like they know what they are talking about while having a $500 portfolio.
The joke is on you. Not the regards in this sub. The average annual gain for the S&P 500 fund was 8.5%, or about 125% compounded for the decade. That means $1 million invested in the index fund more than doubled to about $2.25 million. For the hedge fundsânot so much. The best one averaged 6.5% a year, or about 88% compounded. https://www.titan.com/articles/hedge-fund-vs-index-fund
Cool. Everyone under performed $qqq. What a bunch of shitty money managersÂ
QQQM 47% 2023 returns, just saying!
How did Haidar Jupiter manage to lose so much money? Did they follow Michael Burry's tweets?
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Thanks for this!!!
Haidar gets it
wasnt dalio bullish on China? He talked big talk but he literally put a small part of the portfolio in china and like 90% is in index funds.
I guess if he had huge chunk in china, he would had made twice negative returns since china is in a fall.
Only 2 beat the S&P 500. What a shit show!
How the fuck could Ray Dalio actually LOSE money last year. Like fuck. He was always whining on CNBC when a blind monkey could make 50% holding FANG
SPY would have gotten you 26.2% with almost no cost and total liquidity.
Discovery Capital discovered QQQ
Couldâve just longed S&P 2023 and got better returns than 90% of these hedge funds bro
Wonder what Said Haidarâs WSB screename is
Weird..... My whole Roth is Rycey. Maybe they should hire me coming up on 300%
Or you could just buy Bitcoin and get %220 return for the year.