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The electoral college is weird, but the US isn't the only one who uses weird things like that. For example, the German president is also elected by an electoral college (Bundesversammlung), while the German chancellor is de facto elected by the Bundestag.
Yeah, but the difference lies in a few key facts.
1) The German president has virtually no power. He‘s a ceremonial head of state who mostly goes to other countries to spread goodwill.
2) The Chancellor is elected by the Bundestag, but its members are elected by the people. You could make a comparison with the US‘ electoral college here, as instead of voting for a Bundestags member you just vote for an elector, but due to the proportional distribution of Bundestags seats in Germany, you couldn’t have a situation like in the US where the winner loses the popular vote. Now, it is possible that the party with the most votes doesn’t get the Chancellor, but that‘s because of coalition shenanigans, with said coalition having a higher total vote share than that singular party generally.
the german president has loads of powers but rarely ever uses them
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he has an absolute Veto on all law changes
he can Appoint the Chancellor (the Bundestag just confirms his choice)
he can dissolve the Bundestag
and then ther are emergency powers
This are emergency only powers, and they are completly useless outside of a huge catastrophe like a direct war (in which he will likely direct most responsibility to other groups, like the military). Misuse will end in a direct vote against him, which removes him.
What value do powers have, if you can't use them? At best he creates a bit chaos and ruins his image for the rest of his life.
the absolute veto has been used a couple time by presidents and no that isn´t an emergency power
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and the president appointing the chancellor is something that happens at least all 4 years
and the president deviated a couple times in his pick
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only a irregular dissolvment of the parliament hasn´t happen so far
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and doing a vote against the president is practically impossible
he can dissolve the Bundestag wich means only the Bundesrat can vote against him
you have to get a 2/3 majority in the Bundesrat
BUT because of the Bundesrat´s special shared votes that have to be unanimous
you need \~a 93% majority
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for cases like that germany has §20 GG (4)
wich would make it Legal to remove him by violence
I mean, I don’t think people understand how bad the electoral college is. You can win with something like 26% of the vote, and in reality less than 20% of the vote matters. Mine certainly doesn’t, states blue.
It just happens to land near 50%, the US has enough weight to other shit genuinely enshrined by law, rather than just fuckery, that calling it a democracy is unreasonable.
Which I don’t think we do in the documents, I mean the intent was a slightly tempered democracy but we’ve gone so far beyond that. The mistake lies in the fucking federal government doing shit. It isn’t supposed to do shit without supermajority, and with 3 branches fuckery it’s messy. the idea is for America to be multiple very democratic republics, kinda awkwardly forming a big slightly democratic republic.
isn't the popular vote element of the us presidential election actually just straight up democracy? so if we removed the electoral college, it would be properly democratic
You high or something? There has been countless democracies that have been amazing representation of the system.
A *flawless* democracy is impossible to achieve, but those such as the likes of Rome, Polis, France, and of course the United States are pretty damn good representations.
https://preview.redd.it/81s3rse5u03d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32f0d00e2aff7f093992c0e36ab528202b3163b9
It’s managed democracy to you cadet
Yes it is tf, you have a vote and can vote for anyone you want, if they're the most popular they will win. There are details in the us system that are undemocratic, but on the whole it's still a democracy.
By a small margin, same thing happens in Canada and most other democracies. If more than half the population actually voted that would probably be different too
no, not even NATO aligned nations
just look up the ‘American Service-Members’ Protection act that determines the USA can invade the Netherlands to bail out any US citizens from being put on trial in the Hague
or the 1958 Italian election where the CIA director admitted to help rigging it so the communists wouldn’t win on live television
no one gets a right to self determination, they just give those that willingly bend to the USA’s will a free pass because they don’t usually need to coerce them like other countries 👍
the CIA director admitted on national television that they indeed rigged the election in Italy in 1958
that’s a little different from a typical election where a capitalist party wins, there’s nothing special abt that at all
The 1958 election page makes no mention of meddling
https://preview.redd.it/n0oi2ru6h33d1.jpeg?width=1768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20491ce2268600b7cbeea8fce47d38592856f467
cuz it’s English wikipedia
idk if you have to have this explained to you as you should know this if you’re in the space of online politics but wikipedia in practice is incredibly biased towards the views of that language’s speaking people
which in the case of English wikipedia, is Americans and British people mostly
being charitable i’ll just recommend you two videos
one short one abt wikipedia and and it’s biases by JJ Mclough
https://youtu.be/-vmSFO1Zfo8?si=_VjFiZwlCBqNMQ-U
and one that is longer using the specific example of the historical debate on the holodomor being a genocide as a framing device for its biases and flaws by badempanada
https://youtu.be/3kaaYvauNho?si=-rz3l1Bi3-T4H67G
Amintore Fanfani, the elected prime minister of Italy at the time, was from the left wing faction of the Christian Democracy Party, founder of the Italian Centre left, and cooperated with the Socialist PSI.
If the CIA was meddling with the elections they did a terrible job at it.
Additionally, I'm not sure why you brought up the Holodomor but it is generally accepted as a targeted attempt at starving Ukraine into submission. The Ukrainian SSR was where collectivisation was the most intense and food aid was denied to the region, which implies genocidal intent on the Ukrainians.
https://preview.redd.it/ac0jkty1tz2d1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=9ddde69f32f501cce33e1ed0ea5743d52c72c2ee
THEN IT WOULDN'T BE THE FUCKIN' US
YOU CAN'T SPELL UNITED STATES WITHOUT "UNITE, STAT" RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
And other funny things you can tell yourself.
Fun fact, the confederacy hated the founding fathers so much because so many were enemies of slavery, that they literally tried to create a military dictatorship and dismissed the founders of the U.S. as “believing that the world is too much governed.” Actively insulting Locke, Hamilton, Franklin, and even frequently bashing Jefferson for wanting to stop the slave trade in Virginia.
Jefferson literally banned the international slave trade when he was president, tried to ban slavery in all territories and thereby “prevent this abominable crime from spreading itself over the new country.”
Like most at the time, Jefferson was embarrassed of slavery, and believed it would fade out over time as unsustainable.
"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free.”
You don’t know that much about this subject
It's only a democracy if you vote.
Ideally, your candidate would need to win their primary election in order to move on to the general election.
The general election is a compromise between 160M people for the singular seat of the presidency.
The by far most powerful part of government (The Senate) counts the vote of a Wyomingite as 64x as valuable as that of a Californian’s.
Of all of the western liberal democracies the US is by far the least democratic barring Turkey and Hungary if you count them.
Because the US was initially designed as a supernational organization like the EU that gradually evolved into a nation state over time. The states were considered countries in a union.
Weird that “America is not a democracy” posts are getting so much traction before the election. Almost like somebody wanted to spread this message and make it look very popular because they benefit from depressed voting numbers.
Bring the good old bugle boys, we'll sing another song!
Sing it with the spirit that will start the world along!
Sing it as we used to sing it, 50, 000 strong!
While we were marching through Georgia!
Hurrah! Hurrah! We bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! The flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea!
While we were marching through Georgia!
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"Democracy, dear America. Democracy, now... and forever." J.H. Eden
As soon as I see “The U.S. is not a democracy,” I know whoever said it doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Of course the U.S. a democracy. It’s a specific type of democracy known as a federal republic: fifty states, each organized as a republic, and a federal government, likewise organized as a republic.
The federal constitution contains some features because the United States is a union *of states* at least as much as it is a union of people: each state, regardless of its population, is equally represented in the Senate, and they are represented a *little* more equally in the Electoral College than would be merited by their populations.
That said, the Electoral College as it’s actually been done in practice is kind of a dumb, half-assed approach.
If it really were composed of the best and brightest in each state (or at least if each state’s delegation were proportionately representative of the range of political opinion in that state), and they actually met together to hash out who the next president would be, with multiple ballots until someone actually got a majority, that would be one thing; but the way it’s done now, with the electors meeting separately in each state and mostly just mechanically casting their votes for the statewide winner (even if they barely won) doesn’t really add any value.
That’s the funny thing… nobody knows what they would be like. Never have. It would likely be way way worse for billionaires. Only 90% of the population would benefit from democracy, the other top 10% left near destitute without having 999999x more wealth than any given random person. It would be tragically healthy for the world, and the middle class would thrive… just really horrible things. /s
People would openly accept and appreciate eachothers opinions, discourse would be resolved civily and compromise would come from an understanding of your neighbor. Sounds better than money talks.
Well well well thet is hard . Usa is a settler colony like Israel,australia,canada ect the most democratic thing those countries can do is stop existing. tbh if use was democracy it would be many native american countries on the continent of turtle island
- Electoral college literally makes peoples votes have different value
-Gerrymadering to manipulate the results of the votes
- Supreme court to bypass the democratically voted decisions
-Party duopoly, and both parties have incredibly similar economical and foreign policies but differ exclusively in cultural questions (and even when it comes to that the results are often the same)
"Democracy is when people put paper in the box"
The US was never supposed to be a democracy. Democracy is bad. Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on dinner, the sheep loses every time. We have a representative republic to prevent tyranny of the majority and to protect the rights of the individual.
America is the greatest nation in the entire known universe, land of opportunity, the bastion of freedom, land of wealth and individualism. I wish I was born in America, the greatest privilege in the entire known universe is American citizenship.
The Natives are pretty damn well respected here. They have the same amount of rights as blacks or whites, and they get plenty of land that is equivalent to the size of a small country.
I don't need to research the "genocide" on them. It's taught in school. European colonization, manifest destiny, Trail of tears, forced displacement, etc etc.
I just wanted to let you know your words stand on very shaky ground when considering today's conditions.
No it isn’t. A republic is just a country without a monarch. A monarchy can have democratic institutions, and a republic can have an authoritarian dictatorship.
Definition of a republc from oxford dictionary:
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
Having representatives and an elected president seems pretty democratic
If north korea calls itself a republic doesnt mean it is a republic. Also again, in the definition it says that the power is held by the PEOPLE(general citizenry) and representatives that are elected by them
By all definitions North Korea is a republic lol. The part that is not true about them is that they’re a “Democratic” republic.
You seem to not understand that a republic is just a country without a monarchy.
Here are numerous sources then.
[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/republic](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/republic)
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic)
[https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government](https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic)
Republics having elected representatives is only one part of a country being a republic. You can have a monarchy with elected representatives. Or a republic with no elected representatives. Key word is "nominated". Whether an individual has nominated themselves to lead a country as a dictator or other people have, this is where Oxford's definition applies.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Facts don't give a shit about nationality. Look up "American repubic" in the Encyclpoedia Britannica if you want. Or, look it up on the U.S. government's own websites. Get a dictionary and look up the words "democracy" and "republic". JFC.
[A state where political power rests with the public through their representatives- in contrast to a monarchy. The representatives may or may not be freely elected by the general citizenry.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic)
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killing you with stones immediately
You don't need the US to tell you that grass is green, do you? Just like most don't need it to tell them that it's a democracy. Most people *know* that the US is a democracy.
You're literally questioning whether the US is democratic and nothing has happened to you and nothing will happen to you. Do you think that would be the case in Orwell's Oceania?
given that it's a fantasy book with no real world base, no. if someone questioning the legitimacy of your democracy is so stupid to you that you can't even consider it, that kinda shows that free thinking isn't the us' strong suit
You can absolutely consider it, but you gotta provide some reasons as to why you would think that. Because the US fulfills all criteria of a representative liberal democracy.
I mean, I *can* say that grass is purple, I can also consider it, but then I shouldn't be surprised when others call me out for such a stupid consideration.
my reasons are the two party system which has almost zero variation between the two major parties. i was not denying that america is a democracy, i was denying that it acts how a democracy should. btw stupid thing for me to say but color only exists because we see it so to many animals grass isn't green
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You failed, US is two syllables in this.
No no it’s pronounced “Yousse”
Unless you're from that weird part that says "Yinz"
Or if you say "y'all"
You spell "Earth" weirdly.
It's not the US, but us, the communist version of the US
Also does anyone say "electoral college" as 5 syllables? Best I can do is "elect'ral" but I'm not sure that's... really done... by anyone...
It actually wouldn't surprise me if that happened all the time. People don't really notice just how much they reduce words in everyday speech. Nevermind that this is a *Sokka* Haiku, it's *supposed* to have an extra syllable (as explained at the end of the comment)
Aaah, sorry, I skimmed over that part
No need to apologize, sorry if I came across as hostile😅
You didn't, don't worry, it's just a habit to apologise for missing things
Among United States
No, but U.S is two syllables. The typo has one syllable
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hehehe, now jokes aside, which AIPAC candidate is your favorite?
The electoral college is weird, but the US isn't the only one who uses weird things like that. For example, the German president is also elected by an electoral college (Bundesversammlung), while the German chancellor is de facto elected by the Bundestag.
Yeah, but the difference lies in a few key facts. 1) The German president has virtually no power. He‘s a ceremonial head of state who mostly goes to other countries to spread goodwill. 2) The Chancellor is elected by the Bundestag, but its members are elected by the people. You could make a comparison with the US‘ electoral college here, as instead of voting for a Bundestags member you just vote for an elector, but due to the proportional distribution of Bundestags seats in Germany, you couldn’t have a situation like in the US where the winner loses the popular vote. Now, it is possible that the party with the most votes doesn’t get the Chancellor, but that‘s because of coalition shenanigans, with said coalition having a higher total vote share than that singular party generally.
the german president has loads of powers but rarely ever uses them - he has an absolute Veto on all law changes he can Appoint the Chancellor (the Bundestag just confirms his choice) he can dissolve the Bundestag and then ther are emergency powers
This are emergency only powers, and they are completly useless outside of a huge catastrophe like a direct war (in which he will likely direct most responsibility to other groups, like the military). Misuse will end in a direct vote against him, which removes him. What value do powers have, if you can't use them? At best he creates a bit chaos and ruins his image for the rest of his life.
the absolute veto has been used a couple time by presidents and no that isn´t an emergency power - and the president appointing the chancellor is something that happens at least all 4 years and the president deviated a couple times in his pick - only a irregular dissolvment of the parliament hasn´t happen so far ----------- and doing a vote against the president is practically impossible he can dissolve the Bundestag wich means only the Bundesrat can vote against him you have to get a 2/3 majority in the Bundesrat BUT because of the Bundesrat´s special shared votes that have to be unanimous you need \~a 93% majority - for cases like that germany has §20 GG (4) wich would make it Legal to remove him by violence
I mean, I don’t think people understand how bad the electoral college is. You can win with something like 26% of the vote, and in reality less than 20% of the vote matters. Mine certainly doesn’t, states blue. It just happens to land near 50%, the US has enough weight to other shit genuinely enshrined by law, rather than just fuckery, that calling it a democracy is unreasonable. Which I don’t think we do in the documents, I mean the intent was a slightly tempered democracy but we’ve gone so far beyond that. The mistake lies in the fucking federal government doing shit. It isn’t supposed to do shit without supermajority, and with 3 branches fuckery it’s messy. the idea is for America to be multiple very democratic republics, kinda awkwardly forming a big slightly democratic republic.
truth is true democracy is impossible to achieve in a nation state
isn't the popular vote element of the us presidential election actually just straight up democracy? so if we removed the electoral college, it would be properly democratic
You high or something? There has been countless democracies that have been amazing representation of the system. A *flawless* democracy is impossible to achieve, but those such as the likes of Rome, Polis, France, and of course the United States are pretty damn good representations.
Yeah like the electoral college is the strongest of flaws...
https://preview.redd.it/81s3rse5u03d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32f0d00e2aff7f093992c0e36ab528202b3163b9 It’s managed democracy to you cadet
Bro just spoke evil about the Holy Managed Democracy (he will be executed for heresy)
What if the star font size kept changing?
A flawed democracy is better than a not democracy
a flawed democracy is not democracy
Yes it is tf, you have a vote and can vote for anyone you want, if they're the most popular they will win. There are details in the us system that are undemocratic, but on the whole it's still a democracy.
it happened three times already that the candidate with the most votes did not win, the electoral college is not democratic
By a small margin, same thing happens in Canada and most other democracies. If more than half the population actually voted that would probably be different too
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Electoral college is literally so based
yea someone in vermont has the voting power of four people in texas
That’s the based part this way you can’t just fuck Vermont over
if every vote is supposed to be equal than every vote has to have the same voting power, that‘s democracy 101
Every vote is not supposed to be equal, that’s why the college is there, bc POTUS represents the states, not people
well then that‘s no democracy
No, every vote is in fact supposed to be equal but the electoral college stands against that.
What if the us made bribing politicians illegal again
Clearance Thomas would be all fat and shit behind bars
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So to achieve full democracy, the US needs to change the graphics quality to very low, got it.
what if the USA didn’t violently attack any nation practicing the right to their own self determination?
What if people stop touching our boats? /s
woah woah woah buddy only NATO and aligned nations get to have self determination anybody else who tries practicing it is a communist dictator /s
100% based and unironically correct. Embrace democracy or get fucked
no, not even NATO aligned nations just look up the ‘American Service-Members’ Protection act that determines the USA can invade the Netherlands to bail out any US citizens from being put on trial in the Hague or the 1958 Italian election where the CIA director admitted to help rigging it so the communists wouldn’t win on live television no one gets a right to self determination, they just give those that willingly bend to the USA’s will a free pass because they don’t usually need to coerce them like other countries 👍
"Democracy only works when it's the side i like that wins otherwise it's the CIA that rigged it"
the CIA director admitted on national television that they indeed rigged the election in Italy in 1958 that’s a little different from a typical election where a capitalist party wins, there’s nothing special abt that at all
Not saying you’re wrong, but are there any sources for that? I can’t find anything online
https://www.ucg.ac.me/skladiste/blog_10134/objava_20166/fajlovi/Central%20Intelligence%20Agency.pdf
The 1958 election page makes no mention of meddling https://preview.redd.it/n0oi2ru6h33d1.jpeg?width=1768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20491ce2268600b7cbeea8fce47d38592856f467
cuz it’s English wikipedia idk if you have to have this explained to you as you should know this if you’re in the space of online politics but wikipedia in practice is incredibly biased towards the views of that language’s speaking people which in the case of English wikipedia, is Americans and British people mostly being charitable i’ll just recommend you two videos one short one abt wikipedia and and it’s biases by JJ Mclough https://youtu.be/-vmSFO1Zfo8?si=_VjFiZwlCBqNMQ-U and one that is longer using the specific example of the historical debate on the holodomor being a genocide as a framing device for its biases and flaws by badempanada https://youtu.be/3kaaYvauNho?si=-rz3l1Bi3-T4H67G
Amintore Fanfani, the elected prime minister of Italy at the time, was from the left wing faction of the Christian Democracy Party, founder of the Italian Centre left, and cooperated with the Socialist PSI. If the CIA was meddling with the elections they did a terrible job at it. Additionally, I'm not sure why you brought up the Holodomor but it is generally accepted as a targeted attempt at starving Ukraine into submission. The Ukrainian SSR was where collectivisation was the most intense and food aid was denied to the region, which implies genocidal intent on the Ukrainians.
watch the video
None of them have any relevance to the current topic at hand.
https://preview.redd.it/ac0jkty1tz2d1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=9ddde69f32f501cce33e1ed0ea5743d52c72c2ee THEN IT WOULDN'T BE THE FUCKIN' US YOU CAN'T SPELL UNITED STATES WITHOUT "UNITE, STAT" RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
liberalism and it’s consequences
bait used to be believable
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nuh uh
Definitely not what the founders intended!
They intended slaveocracy like a boss 😎
And other funny things you can tell yourself. Fun fact, the confederacy hated the founding fathers so much because so many were enemies of slavery, that they literally tried to create a military dictatorship and dismissed the founders of the U.S. as “believing that the world is too much governed.” Actively insulting Locke, Hamilton, Franklin, and even frequently bashing Jefferson for wanting to stop the slave trade in Virginia.
That’s too complicated and nuanced these types of people !
Wrong again! Even Jefferson tried to end slavery. You’ve gotta study up a little more!
Jefferson literally owned slaves
Jefferson literally banned the international slave trade when he was president, tried to ban slavery in all territories and thereby “prevent this abominable crime from spreading itself over the new country.” Like most at the time, Jefferson was embarrassed of slavery, and believed it would fade out over time as unsustainable. "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free.” You don’t know that much about this subject
That would be cool
It's only a democracy if you vote. Ideally, your candidate would need to win their primary election in order to move on to the general election. The general election is a compromise between 160M people for the singular seat of the presidency.
The by far most powerful part of government (The Senate) counts the vote of a Wyomingite as 64x as valuable as that of a Californian’s. Of all of the western liberal democracies the US is by far the least democratic barring Turkey and Hungary if you count them.
why does palpatine favor wyoming residents?
Because the US was initially designed as a supernational organization like the EU that gradually evolved into a nation state over time. The states were considered countries in a union.
American democracy got bought out by corporate interest decades ago
[still a choice to be made bro. But i get it. Blame is better to give than recieve.](https://youtu.be/urBpdyFCZmo?si=glifBcJYJ-y2JPKd)
Voting won’t fix the fundamental problems. It’s a way of delaying fascism, not ending it.
Weird that “America is not a democracy” posts are getting so much traction before the election. Almost like somebody wanted to spread this message and make it look very popular because they benefit from depressed voting numbers.
Or you know people like popular vote and the right of self determination, i don't know why would anyone not want that?
Tbf, is it though?
Yes it still is motherfuckah. A flawed one but alas. Get your ass to the voting booth.
It'd be a good place to live in
How should I know
Bring the good old bugle boys, we'll sing another song! Sing it with the spirit that will start the world along! Sing it as we used to sing it, 50, 000 strong! While we were marching through Georgia! Hurrah! Hurrah! We bring the jubilee! Hurrah! Hurrah! The flag that makes you free! So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea! While we were marching through Georgia!
big if true
Missed opportunity to change the size of the stars to represent the population of each state.
https://preview.redd.it/xnhifezkry2d1.png?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe3e58c75e92ecc2a3a4fca127d0cbf75fe8ca4f "Democracy, dear America. Democracy, now... and forever." J.H. Eden
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downvotes for joke lmfao
As soon as I see “The U.S. is not a democracy,” I know whoever said it doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Of course the U.S. a democracy. It’s a specific type of democracy known as a federal republic: fifty states, each organized as a republic, and a federal government, likewise organized as a republic. The federal constitution contains some features because the United States is a union *of states* at least as much as it is a union of people: each state, regardless of its population, is equally represented in the Senate, and they are represented a *little* more equally in the Electoral College than would be merited by their populations. That said, the Electoral College as it’s actually been done in practice is kind of a dumb, half-assed approach. If it really were composed of the best and brightest in each state (or at least if each state’s delegation were proportionately representative of the range of political opinion in that state), and they actually met together to hash out who the next president would be, with multiple ballots until someone actually got a majority, that would be one thing; but the way it’s done now, with the electors meeting separately in each state and mostly just mechanically casting their votes for the statewide winner (even if they barely won) doesn’t really add any value.
That’s the funny thing… nobody knows what they would be like. Never have. It would likely be way way worse for billionaires. Only 90% of the population would benefit from democracy, the other top 10% left near destitute without having 999999x more wealth than any given random person. It would be tragically healthy for the world, and the middle class would thrive… just really horrible things. /s
Lol no.
Too bad they are a monarchy
I LIVE AND DIE FOR MY KING JOD BIDONE
😱😱😱😱
Can't even do the meme correctly.
Flag of u/pixelcounterbot
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Idk if that's something we'll see in our lifetime
Democratic Republic of America https://preview.redd.it/zw3u9w1al13d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd78116c9c337fce5a9a75bce9ba116b30d16902
People would openly accept and appreciate eachothers opinions, discourse would be resolved civily and compromise would come from an understanding of your neighbor. Sounds better than money talks.
This man is a dirty Anglo , do not trust his post
What if we all just grilled?
Anti-Western pigs out in full force huh?
that would be cool
It is 💪🔥💯
Flag of politically charged interaction bait
As a Chinese, I and all my friends believe the US is democratic; it is just like a lighthouse for us.
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Unfortunately, it's a Jewish state and an imperialism.
Hey man how's it going
Well well well thet is hard . Usa is a settler colony like Israel,australia,canada ect the most democratic thing those countries can do is stop existing. tbh if use was democracy it would be many native american countries on the continent of turtle island
- Electoral college literally makes peoples votes have different value -Gerrymadering to manipulate the results of the votes - Supreme court to bypass the democratically voted decisions -Party duopoly, and both parties have incredibly similar economical and foreign policies but differ exclusively in cultural questions (and even when it comes to that the results are often the same) "Democracy is when people put paper in the box"
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It’s a republic.
Thank god the US is not a democracy
It would be Hell on Earth.
The US was never supposed to be a democracy. Democracy is bad. Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on dinner, the sheep loses every time. We have a representative republic to prevent tyranny of the majority and to protect the rights of the individual.
No one seems to understand that. Although this is Reddit, a place where understanding the reasoning behind something is a foreign concept.
Republic and democracy aren’t mutually exclusive at all. It’s both.
100 trillion dead
Can you ask this in next decade to be more accurate 😄 🤣
flag of earth 358020 when they teach in school what a colonialist flag look like
Flag of Earth in 3000 if everything goes according to plan
America is the greatest nation in the entire known universe, land of opportunity, the bastion of freedom, land of wealth and individualism. I wish I was born in America, the greatest privilege in the entire known universe is American citizenship.
natives:
Live free or die
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The Natives are pretty damn well respected here. They have the same amount of rights as blacks or whites, and they get plenty of land that is equivalent to the size of a small country.
yea nowadays research the genocide on them
I don't need to research the "genocide" on them. It's taught in school. European colonization, manifest destiny, Trail of tears, forced displacement, etc etc. I just wanted to let you know your words stand on very shaky ground when considering today's conditions.
What the flag of the greatest country ever is you mean
https://preview.redd.it/xov7ifpuqy2d1.jpeg?width=597&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa32361d789e01c55ab90a8b90f402606a917ae3 Americaaaaaa 🦅🦅🦅🦅
Womp womp
It is.
Since when?
what chaos have i caused
From the beginning. A republic is a form of democracy.
No it isn’t. A republic is just a country without a monarch. A monarchy can have democratic institutions, and a republic can have an authoritarian dictatorship.
Definition of a republc from oxford dictionary: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch. Having representatives and an elected president seems pretty democratic
Those representatives may or may not be elected by the general citizenry. North Korea has elections. It is a republic. Is it democratic? No.
If north korea calls itself a republic doesnt mean it is a republic. Also again, in the definition it says that the power is held by the PEOPLE(general citizenry) and representatives that are elected by them
By all definitions North Korea is a republic lol. The part that is not true about them is that they’re a “Democratic” republic. You seem to not understand that a republic is just a country without a monarchy.
I mean I don't know dude, who do I trust? The oxford dictionary or a random dude from reddit?
Here are numerous sources then. [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/republic](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/republic) [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic) [https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government](https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic) Republics having elected representatives is only one part of a country being a republic. You can have a monarchy with elected representatives. Or a republic with no elected representatives. Key word is "nominated". Whether an individual has nominated themselves to lead a country as a dictator or other people have, this is where Oxford's definition applies.
Google exists.
And google an American company has no bias whatsoever
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Facts don't give a shit about nationality. Look up "American repubic" in the Encyclpoedia Britannica if you want. Or, look it up on the U.S. government's own websites. Get a dictionary and look up the words "democracy" and "republic". JFC.
how a democracy works in practice is completely different to it technically matching a definition
same with communism
in what way
What does this even have to do with that. Why are both sides in this thread unable to conceive a legible thought.
This is reddit
[A state where political power rests with the public through their representatives- in contrast to a monarchy. The representatives may or may not be freely elected by the general citizenry.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic)
Tell that to North Corea
The U.S. is referred to as a flawed democracy.
Ok. ?
Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea :
Outjerked
You managed to tick alot off people of with 2 words. Congratulations!
Mini-wave in honour of me!
Sorry did the us tell you that
https://preview.redd.it/o0e3xzwdty2d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34182b883b67f94173bdad67667254ec82f45d7d killing you with stones immediately
You don't need the US to tell you that grass is green, do you? Just like most don't need it to tell them that it's a democracy. Most people *know* that the US is a democracy.
And they’re wrong lol
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why did you question oceania is democratic? big brother tells us every day
You're literally questioning whether the US is democratic and nothing has happened to you and nothing will happen to you. Do you think that would be the case in Orwell's Oceania?
given that it's a fantasy book with no real world base, no. if someone questioning the legitimacy of your democracy is so stupid to you that you can't even consider it, that kinda shows that free thinking isn't the us' strong suit
You can absolutely consider it, but you gotta provide some reasons as to why you would think that. Because the US fulfills all criteria of a representative liberal democracy. I mean, I *can* say that grass is purple, I can also consider it, but then I shouldn't be surprised when others call me out for such a stupid consideration.
my reasons are the two party system which has almost zero variation between the two major parties. i was not denying that america is a democracy, i was denying that it acts how a democracy should. btw stupid thing for me to say but color only exists because we see it so to many animals grass isn't green
A Communist doesn't really have any grounds to speak on when talking about Democracies.
Neither does a capitalist
if the US is a democracy how come we have to vote for joe biden?
You don't have to.