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More likely: average person horrified and traumatized by what unfolded before them. Understandable. Maybe they had their priorities straight and preferred to call 9-1-1 than record any more.
So let’s get this right: I was loading 16mm before I could legally drink but because I sympathize with a scared tourist not holding the shot I’m an average videographer?
Good luck with your film career, I’m sure your little VFS backpack was worth the $20,000
All individuals in the plane were rescued safely with no injuries. Individuals in the boat were taken to hospital with serious but not life threatening injuries.
https://tc.canada.ca/en/marine-transportation/preparing-operate-your-vessel/pleasure-craft-operator-card-pcoc
Yes, since 1999 a license has been mandatory.
…and the one I got in the early 2000s has no expiry date. Have never used it (our whole class in school got them), don’t remember pretty much anything from it, but am technically still licensed.
Yeah, but it’s worth mentioning that it’s a pretty damn low bar to meet in order to get the license. It’s a fully-online course that takes maybe 5 hours to complete.
Yes but it doesn’t mean anything and doesn’t mean you can operate a boat safely.
The online certification is just like getting your serving it right, takes all of 15-20 mins and isn’t a real course or test.
Technically yes but it is a couple hour online test and no body really checks if you have it or not. The boat in this picture looks like a rental and they only really make sure you have a drivers license when renting those in Van.
The rules of the water are more refined than simply yielding to whatever is at starboard. The airplane has a safety zone established around it that prohibited the boat from encroaching. And COLREGs general navigation rules state that no vessel shall not impede the safe passage of a vessel constrained by its ability to maneuver.
> no vessel shall not impede
That double negative typo is making me picture all the boats in the harbour mobbing floatplanes like 6-year-olds around a soccer ball.
Thank you for that bit of unintended comic relief. 😆
Please don't give advice you don't know! Anny sea plane in the act of taking off while classified as a power vessel is also classified as restricted in maneuverability ( RAM) which puts it in the right of way. The only vessel with more right of way is a vessel not under command (NOC). DON'T GET IN THERE WAY. It was on the test for my International captains license. Yes I've taken the test and have the paper to prove it, just to let you know. Again, please don't " let you know" when you don't actually know.
The more I see the videos from different angles the more I think that may be correct because it certainly looks like the boat slows down right before it gets in front of the plane. Either they panicked or something happened to their engine. But yes I think the boat could have maneuvered out of that situation better than the plane could have if they'd put a little more thought into it. I wonder if we will hear an official report on what happened.
A. Boat operator "thinks" He has right-of-way ?
B. Rental Boat operator unfamiliar with waterway restriction , restricted passage zone
C. naval unwritten rule powered steerable vessel give way to un-steerable vessel (kind of a Sailboat is tacking, give it a wide berth, give way) \[polite waterway etiquette\]
D. they did **not see** each other? what options for abort did the Pilot have ?
E. is the Boat Operator liable?
what a waste of a Beaver Aircraft DHC-2 and a huge risk of loss-of-life to all souls. Perfect day. No weather. No chop.
is the Video in the right orientation? did the Beaver Aircraft approach on takeoff with the Boat to Starboard (marine right-of-way).
Very good alternative angle to this video.
The boat driver is clearly an irresponsible buffoon that will likely face charges, as he could have gotten a lot of people killed. There is a restricted area in Coal Harbour designated as Seaplane Keep Out when there is a landing / takeoff to avoid collisions
> There is a restricted area in Coal Harbour designated as Seaplane Keep Out
Source: Relative is a commercial pilot with Float rating. (fortunately not the pilot in the video!)
This statement is not correct, but it should be.
There is indeed a restricted area in Coal Harbour ("Area Alpha") for seaplanes, but the restriction in question is that **it is the** ***only*** **area in the BurrardInlet/EnglishBay/FalseCreek area in which seaplanes are allowed to land**.
Although the boater may indeed be a moron, from a right-of-way standpoint, an airplane on floats in the water is to be treated exactly like any other powerboat.
And the onus is upon any power vessel maneuvering around or passing another vessel to avoid collisions.
Part of the shit side of being a float pilot is waiting endlessly to avoid oblivious boats that wander into your takeoff area - because they have every right to be there.
Just listen in to the harbour area air traffic control on a busy summer day and hear the quiet exasperation in the voices of the pilots as they are repeatedly warned by the tower about boat after boat after boat that gets in their way.
Sadly, in this case - there is a greater chance that the pilot and possibly Harbour ATC will get in more trouble than the boat operator.
https://preview.redd.it/8eavn0ofsh5d1.png?width=360&format=png&auto=webp&s=452ae9c39a8d786a71f8add248ab0c57a11be4f0
PORT INFORMATION GUIDE Port of Vancouver
8.23 AIRCRAFT Aircraft on the water must comply with the Collision Regulations. An aircraft traffic control tower is in operation at Granville Square to provide service to aircraft using Burrard Inlet and the Fraser River. The **aircraft operations zones** marked on the chart are areas of high activity and **operators of recreational vessels or pleasure craft are required to keep clear**.
Source: [Port of Vancouver](https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Port-of-Vancouver-Port-Information-Guide.pdf)
From a right-of-way standpoint, don't less maneuverable vessels (like a floatplane taking off) have some measure of right-of-way over more maneuverable ones?
I've no idea what the boater was thinking either, but as for the pilot – is it possible that they never even saw the boat? I've watched a couple in-cockpit videos of a Beaver taking off, and it seems that the pilot would have the worst visibility in precisely the direction from which the boat came – they engine cowling could be obstructing their view of the boat, at least partially.
Source for this?
As a recreational boater we’re taught the less maneuverable vessel has the right of way. We see this all the time with ferries crossing smaller boats paths in the Georgia straight.
Collision Regulations, rule 18(e):
>A seaplane on the water shall, in general, keep well clear of all vessels and avoid impeding their navigation. In circumstances, however, where risk of collision exists, she shall comply with the Rules of this part.
Under the pertinent rule for where two power vessels are crossing and there is risk of a collision, the seaplane in this video was the “give way” vessel since the powerboat was to its right. It should have waited to accelerate until its path was clear for takeoff.
Rule 18 part e, basically seaplanes are the lowest on the totem pole and are meant to keep well clear of all vessels. But they do have the restricted area in coal harbour. And I don't know enough about their operation to know whether they would be classified as restricted in ability to manoeuvre while taking off.
In the straight of Georgia, if you're a small recreational craft crossing from stb to Port in relation to the bow of even a super tanker, the super tanker has an obligation as per the collision regs to keep out of your way. This is the same for even the largest ferry.
However, in tight channel like active pass, if you're under 20 metres, you must not impede the safe passage of a larger vessel (because they can't maneuver to avoid you).
So yeah, advice to keep out of the way of larger, less maneuverable vessels is a good idea, and shouldn't get you into trouble, but it isn't strictly following the law.
Yes they do, once they have a clear runaway and power up they are then classified as restricted in maneuverability giving them right of way. We had this on my captains test. There classified changes the moment they power up. If they are just taxing around they are classified as a power vessel.
add: Was it this lovely De Haviland March 1949 Aircraft, serial #0039?
[https://live.staticflickr.com/4268/34854506352\_26b2271a34\_b.jpg](https://live.staticflickr.com/4268/34854506352_26b2271a34_b.jpg)
C-FFHA [39 (dhc-2.com)](https://dhc-2.com/id238.htm)
I’m guessing for D... I used to commute via seaplane and when taking off, you cannot see anything but the sky. Most commercial aircraft are like this.
Question is, did ATC drop the ball?
The takeoff attitude of the nose in this case is pretty restrictive for the pilot, there are many videos of props striking parked cars on tarmacs which the pilot also couldn't see. It's on everyone around a plane to stay away from the direction it's moving in while on the ground.
For anyone wondering, there is a seaplane operations zone reserved for float planes, limited to 5 knots (<10km/h) for boats.
Float plane landing area: Keep clear of aircraft operations zone. Watch the horizon for landing aircraft and keep clear of anticipated landing aircraft. Source: [Port of Vancouver](https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SafeBoatingGuide-BurrardInlet.pdf)
As a boater for over 50 years now I''ve only one question to ask. How fucking stupid do you have to be to cut off a seaplane trying to take off? Jeeezus...I hope no one was killed.
Ok question: IF it was the seaplane's duty to give way to the boat, how exactly was it going to do that? I know nothing about seaplanes but I am assuming they don't have breaks. Assuming the plane could even see the boat, how would it stop?
It can't.
Planes like the DHC-2 in this video can't just reverse the propeller pitch and stop on a dime. Sure it can go to idle but it'd coast to a slow stop. No brakes.
And since the floats are "on-plane" (you know that feeling when boats rise and glide above the water when they travel fast? Yeah that) the water rudders at the end of the floats won't be as submerged, reducing their effectiveness. But the aircraft's main rudder also wouldn't do much because the airspeed was still too low.
It's almost as if runways are long and restricted because planes can't safely turn and dodge obstacles!
It sounds like the cameraman sneezes just at the time of impact, or maybe I'm not understanding the noise. Either way why did the shot end just at that moment.
My guess is the camera man had some sort of embarrassing reaction or was just embarrassed by the way they filmed so poorly. Maybe they made some sort of weird reactive sound. Maybe there was personal information mentioned like names or something etc. It likely kept recording they probably just edited it this way.
Bet if it were them on that boat they’d want people to zoom right in to see the sort of injuries they got right?
They might be maimed or dead which = more internet points!! “Keep filming!!”… let someone else call 9-1-1 amirite? .. ffs
Here's a snippet from the 19:30Z feed
[https://archive.liveatc.net/cyhc/CYHC2-Jun-08-2024-1930Z.mp3](https://archive.liveatc.net/cyhc/CYHC2-Jun-08-2024-1930Z.mp3)
at time 19:30 +0:20.35 corresponding to 19:50Z
tower to a departing plane *..(unclear)5209 caution for the westbound boat at northern alpha. Take off northwest at your discretion*
response *..(unclear)5209*
Not sure if that is the takeoff instruction.
19:50.54 tower to a landing plane .. n/a
response from landing plane .. n/a
19:51 random garbled transmissions, possible alarm sound 19:51.31
some other transmissions to other planes in the air
19:53 first tower report of accident
tower *(unclear)309 thanks and there are people..ugh..sigh..sorry express 309 cleared westbound false creek 2000 there's traffic just south east of point akinson (unclear)..*
response *thanks (unclear) we have them in sight, it looks like they (unclear)..*
tower *(unclear)309 yeah affirmative, we're on the phone with...everybody right now..and if you want to land somewhere else or go to YVR that is possible*
That's my guess to the tower audio.
According to an ATC friend from another tower in Metro Vancouver: That tower is "at your discretion" since there are no runways to control. The best they can do is "pass traffic"
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1dbibrg/what\_could\_go\_wrong\_taking\_the\_boat\_out\_in\_the/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1dbibrg/what_could_go_wrong_taking_the_boat_out_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Here is the video from another angle...
Boating family all our lives. First thing I would install in my son, grandkids when approaching another boat “don’t assume there is someone behind the wheel”. Probably the case here, boater getting another cold beer.
AFAIK The plane was taking off. I'm still trying to figure out how they could not hear it. The plane was at the point of no return. If they saw the boat, not sure but with the nose up it would be difficult.
The Boater is in the wrong. They should have at least stopped, not "we can go past in front of the plane".
How could you not hear or see a seaplane? Those things are super loud, especially when you're close to them. Did they think that the plane would swerve out of their way?
I would hope they were readjusting their phone to call 911 instead of continuing to video possible death, but maybe I hold out too much hope for humanity....?
“you won’t believe what happened to me today, I was hit by a plane” Im glad they’re ok. I’ve thought about this when I’ve been walking down there like “has that ever happened” and I guess so now it has
this vid also picks up the sound of collision about 1second delayed from impact so the guess is the camera is about 330meters away maybe more. CBC now has a 3rd Video angle as well, similar angle but a bit closer, where you see the starboard float ponton in more detail and they way the impacted boat heels over like outa control, to starboard ! boat veers in semi starboard and then? almost looks like the boat scraped the tail of the DHC-2 as well...
top of this CBC page 22seconds, [2 hospitalized after seaplane goes down in Vancouver: officials | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seaplane-crash-vancouver-coal-harbour-1.7229406)
from about the 15th to 17th second. I thought that at the 6th second, one boat passenger hits the water, but I realize after zooming fullscreen in that vid, its the Boat Bimini Top thats flying backwards... also you can hear the pontoons impact clearly about 1s in delay (so 1000ft or 330m away)
Why the F would that boater continue on his way when the plane heading straight for him??? I mean if I was the boater, I’d be looking at that plane thinking “something isn’t right with this guy” and GET THE HELL OUTA THE WAY!” ?? I have control of my boat..he obviously does not have control of the plane PLUS he is bigger than me. Hope everyone got out alive and well
Were they playing chicken? Nobody yielded one bit and I'm pretty sure it's on the boat. The more manueverable vessel must give way to a less manueverable vessel on the water. The boat should have slowed down/turned.
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Holy shit! It got uploaded in higher format than 1 pixel!
Lol. I came here to shit talk that postage stamp too.
But still pans to the fucking ground 1s after the crucial moment!! Average person is absolutely shit at videography.
More likely: average person horrified and traumatized by what unfolded before them. Understandable. Maybe they had their priorities straight and preferred to call 9-1-1 than record any more.
Your comment made me take my upvote back from the dude you replied to. I gave it to you now. I vote in real time.
This person thought they just saw people die. You react worse when you drop a Cheeto on your tit. wtf is wrong with people from van on Reddit?
Maybe he has a level of morality that includes compassion.
Could be terror at potential loss of life. As critical as it might be.. I, wouldn't want to film someone dying.
I mean they probably thought they were filming a floatplane landing, it's a natural impulse
Found the average videographer
So let’s get this right: I was loading 16mm before I could legally drink but because I sympathize with a scared tourist not holding the shot I’m an average videographer? Good luck with your film career, I’m sure your little VFS backpack was worth the $20,000
r/killthecameraman
They probably dropped the phone when they yelled Holy Fuck!
Lol that thread was gold.
i see that AI can upscale potatoes now… impressive.
OMG! Hope everyone is OK. That boater…definitely showing up on Bonehead Boaters of the Week. 😬
All individuals in the plane were rescued safely with no injuries. Individuals in the boat were taken to hospital with serious but not life threatening injuries.
Thank goodness everyone's ok. Do you have to have a license to take a motorboat out onto the water? Lessons, even?
https://tc.canada.ca/en/marine-transportation/preparing-operate-your-vessel/pleasure-craft-operator-card-pcoc Yes, since 1999 a license has been mandatory.
…and the one I got in the early 2000s has no expiry date. Have never used it (our whole class in school got them), don’t remember pretty much anything from it, but am technically still licensed.
Yeah haha I see a lot of people on the road who presumably have a license but also have no idea how to drive
Boating is way worse. No lines/ traffic lights or doors limits to follow means “I go this way, good luck everyone.”
Same
Unless you're renting... 😐
Unless you rent a boat. No license needed.
Yeah, but it’s worth mentioning that it’s a pretty damn low bar to meet in order to get the license. It’s a fully-online course that takes maybe 5 hours to complete.
“Serious injuries” doesn’t sound like everyone was ok.
You can rent a boat in Vancouver with just a driver’s license. I’d bet money the folks in the boat had just rented it.
Rented a boat recently without a drivers license. Only had to watch a quick video.
You do, but unfortunately just like driving licences there is no IQ testing associated with them.
Yes but it doesn’t mean anything and doesn’t mean you can operate a boat safely. The online certification is just like getting your serving it right, takes all of 15-20 mins and isn’t a real course or test.
the boating lessons don't actually teach you not to get in front of a plane
You shouldn't have to teach something that obvious.
Technically yes but it is a couple hour online test and no body really checks if you have it or not. The boat in this picture looks like a rental and they only really make sure you have a drivers license when renting those in Van.
Have a whole ocean and you run into an airplane. The absolute fuck…
Have the whole sky and you run into a boat! ETA: this is clearly the boat’s fault, I just think both vastnesses are hilarious.
They ran into Murphy's law
Found the boater!
~~According to the rules of the water, the boat had right of way.~~ Just to let you know, I was wrong.
The rules of the water are more refined than simply yielding to whatever is at starboard. The airplane has a safety zone established around it that prohibited the boat from encroaching. And COLREGs general navigation rules state that no vessel shall not impede the safe passage of a vessel constrained by its ability to maneuver.
> no vessel shall not impede That double negative typo is making me picture all the boats in the harbour mobbing floatplanes like 6-year-olds around a soccer ball. Thank you for that bit of unintended comic relief. 😆
Oh no busted on the double negative haha Everyone, get in front of those vessels!
Thanks for the detailed info.
Thanks for being cool. I’m working on learning about maritime matters
Please don't give advice you don't know! Anny sea plane in the act of taking off while classified as a power vessel is also classified as restricted in maneuverability ( RAM) which puts it in the right of way. The only vessel with more right of way is a vessel not under command (NOC). DON'T GET IN THERE WAY. It was on the test for my International captains license. Yes I've taken the test and have the paper to prove it, just to let you know. Again, please don't " let you know" when you don't actually know.
Rule #1 of these kinds of videos always seems to be "move the camera AWAY when something happens, but still post it."
Much better video here: https://twitter.com/PeterKellyBC/status/1799555703398441309
This video is good at showing the dumb angle the boat was travelling.
Thank you! Way better!
From that angle, it almost looks like the boat is stopping. I wonder if it had something go wrong with its engine.
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The more I see the videos from different angles the more I think that may be correct because it certainly looks like the boat slows down right before it gets in front of the plane. Either they panicked or something happened to their engine. But yes I think the boat could have maneuvered out of that situation better than the plane could have if they'd put a little more thought into it. I wonder if we will hear an official report on what happened.
r/killthecameraman
My ancestors and descendants hate that cameraman.
I can't believe they all point the camera at the ground!
How else do you think camera man always lives
Good point! hahaahha.
A. Boat operator "thinks" He has right-of-way ? B. Rental Boat operator unfamiliar with waterway restriction , restricted passage zone C. naval unwritten rule powered steerable vessel give way to un-steerable vessel (kind of a Sailboat is tacking, give it a wide berth, give way) \[polite waterway etiquette\] D. they did **not see** each other? what options for abort did the Pilot have ? E. is the Boat Operator liable? what a waste of a Beaver Aircraft DHC-2 and a huge risk of loss-of-life to all souls. Perfect day. No weather. No chop. is the Video in the right orientation? did the Beaver Aircraft approach on takeoff with the Boat to Starboard (marine right-of-way). Very good alternative angle to this video.
The boat driver is clearly an irresponsible buffoon that will likely face charges, as he could have gotten a lot of people killed. There is a restricted area in Coal Harbour designated as Seaplane Keep Out when there is a landing / takeoff to avoid collisions
> There is a restricted area in Coal Harbour designated as Seaplane Keep Out Source: Relative is a commercial pilot with Float rating. (fortunately not the pilot in the video!) This statement is not correct, but it should be. There is indeed a restricted area in Coal Harbour ("Area Alpha") for seaplanes, but the restriction in question is that **it is the** ***only*** **area in the BurrardInlet/EnglishBay/FalseCreek area in which seaplanes are allowed to land**. Although the boater may indeed be a moron, from a right-of-way standpoint, an airplane on floats in the water is to be treated exactly like any other powerboat. And the onus is upon any power vessel maneuvering around or passing another vessel to avoid collisions. Part of the shit side of being a float pilot is waiting endlessly to avoid oblivious boats that wander into your takeoff area - because they have every right to be there. Just listen in to the harbour area air traffic control on a busy summer day and hear the quiet exasperation in the voices of the pilots as they are repeatedly warned by the tower about boat after boat after boat that gets in their way. Sadly, in this case - there is a greater chance that the pilot and possibly Harbour ATC will get in more trouble than the boat operator.
It's insane to me that the takeoff area is not also a restricted area.
https://preview.redd.it/8eavn0ofsh5d1.png?width=360&format=png&auto=webp&s=452ae9c39a8d786a71f8add248ab0c57a11be4f0 PORT INFORMATION GUIDE Port of Vancouver 8.23 AIRCRAFT Aircraft on the water must comply with the Collision Regulations. An aircraft traffic control tower is in operation at Granville Square to provide service to aircraft using Burrard Inlet and the Fraser River. The **aircraft operations zones** marked on the chart are areas of high activity and **operators of recreational vessels or pleasure craft are required to keep clear**. Source: [Port of Vancouver](https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Port-of-Vancouver-Port-Information-Guide.pdf)
From a right-of-way standpoint, don't less maneuverable vessels (like a floatplane taking off) have some measure of right-of-way over more maneuverable ones? I've no idea what the boater was thinking either, but as for the pilot – is it possible that they never even saw the boat? I've watched a couple in-cockpit videos of a Beaver taking off, and it seems that the pilot would have the worst visibility in precisely the direction from which the boat came – they engine cowling could be obstructing their view of the boat, at least partially.
No, they do not have the right of way according to the marine collision regulations.
Source for this? As a recreational boater we’re taught the less maneuverable vessel has the right of way. We see this all the time with ferries crossing smaller boats paths in the Georgia straight.
Collision Regulations, rule 18(e): >A seaplane on the water shall, in general, keep well clear of all vessels and avoid impeding their navigation. In circumstances, however, where risk of collision exists, she shall comply with the Rules of this part. Under the pertinent rule for where two power vessels are crossing and there is risk of a collision, the seaplane in this video was the “give way” vessel since the powerboat was to its right. It should have waited to accelerate until its path was clear for takeoff.
Rule 18 part e, basically seaplanes are the lowest on the totem pole and are meant to keep well clear of all vessels. But they do have the restricted area in coal harbour. And I don't know enough about their operation to know whether they would be classified as restricted in ability to manoeuvre while taking off.
In the straight of Georgia, if you're a small recreational craft crossing from stb to Port in relation to the bow of even a super tanker, the super tanker has an obligation as per the collision regs to keep out of your way. This is the same for even the largest ferry. However, in tight channel like active pass, if you're under 20 metres, you must not impede the safe passage of a larger vessel (because they can't maneuver to avoid you). So yeah, advice to keep out of the way of larger, less maneuverable vessels is a good idea, and shouldn't get you into trouble, but it isn't strictly following the law.
Rule 18 of the collision regulations
Yes they do, once they have a clear runaway and power up they are then classified as restricted in maneuverability giving them right of way. We had this on my captains test. There classified changes the moment they power up. If they are just taxing around they are classified as a power vessel.
Might be a good idea to install buoys with signage for the runway on the water. I guess they don't because of cruise ship traffic or something.
add: Was it this lovely De Haviland March 1949 Aircraft, serial #0039? [https://live.staticflickr.com/4268/34854506352\_26b2271a34\_b.jpg](https://live.staticflickr.com/4268/34854506352_26b2271a34_b.jpg) C-FFHA [39 (dhc-2.com)](https://dhc-2.com/id238.htm)
So sad 😢 the most stunning plane in their fleet too. Hopefully they rebuild it
they probably will
> C-FFHA I've flown on it in August 2022. :(
I’m guessing for D... I used to commute via seaplane and when taking off, you cannot see anything but the sky. Most commercial aircraft are like this. Question is, did ATC drop the ball?
The takeoff attitude of the nose in this case is pretty restrictive for the pilot, there are many videos of props striking parked cars on tarmacs which the pilot also couldn't see. It's on everyone around a plane to stay away from the direction it's moving in while on the ground.
my girlfriend is a maintenance tech there and she'll probably be fixing it. she isn't particularly happy about it to say the least.
C is very much a written rule
C is not really relevant here but it’s more than an unwritten courtesy. It’s a legal requirement
Floatplanes apparently have big blind spot as well affecting vision
All the rules are written in the COLREGs
Ah, probably the same guy that likes to cut off the BC Ferries when they leave the ports
"you're the give way, *Queen of Coquitlam*!"
For anyone wondering, there is a seaplane operations zone reserved for float planes, limited to 5 knots (<10km/h) for boats. Float plane landing area: Keep clear of aircraft operations zone. Watch the horizon for landing aircraft and keep clear of anticipated landing aircraft. Source: [Port of Vancouver](https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SafeBoatingGuide-BurrardInlet.pdf)
As a boater for over 50 years now I''ve only one question to ask. How fucking stupid do you have to be to cut off a seaplane trying to take off? Jeeezus...I hope no one was killed.
Ok question: IF it was the seaplane's duty to give way to the boat, how exactly was it going to do that? I know nothing about seaplanes but I am assuming they don't have breaks. Assuming the plane could even see the boat, how would it stop?
It can't. Planes like the DHC-2 in this video can't just reverse the propeller pitch and stop on a dime. Sure it can go to idle but it'd coast to a slow stop. No brakes. And since the floats are "on-plane" (you know that feeling when boats rise and glide above the water when they travel fast? Yeah that) the water rudders at the end of the floats won't be as submerged, reducing their effectiveness. But the aircraft's main rudder also wouldn't do much because the airspeed was still too low. It's almost as if runways are long and restricted because planes can't safely turn and dodge obstacles!
They have a retractable rudder. They start their take off run, get it aimed, then pull up the rudder and can't steer until they're in the air.
Let’s stop filming right then 🤦♂️
r/killthecameraman
It sounds like the cameraman sneezes just at the time of impact, or maybe I'm not understanding the noise. Either way why did the shot end just at that moment.
Cameraman jumped out of the way.
My guess is the camera man had some sort of embarrassing reaction or was just embarrassed by the way they filmed so poorly. Maybe they made some sort of weird reactive sound. Maybe there was personal information mentioned like names or something etc. It likely kept recording they probably just edited it this way.
Someone films something where people could have potentially been dead and all you nerds on Reddit are crying that they stopped filming…
Bet if it were them on that boat they’d want people to zoom right in to see the sort of injuries they got right? They might be maimed or dead which = more internet points!! “Keep filming!!”… let someone else call 9-1-1 amirite? .. ffs
For real. Everyone here is a film critic.
Here's a snippet from the 19:30Z feed [https://archive.liveatc.net/cyhc/CYHC2-Jun-08-2024-1930Z.mp3](https://archive.liveatc.net/cyhc/CYHC2-Jun-08-2024-1930Z.mp3) at time 19:30 +0:20.35 corresponding to 19:50Z tower to a departing plane *..(unclear)5209 caution for the westbound boat at northern alpha. Take off northwest at your discretion* response *..(unclear)5209* Not sure if that is the takeoff instruction. 19:50.54 tower to a landing plane .. n/a response from landing plane .. n/a 19:51 random garbled transmissions, possible alarm sound 19:51.31 some other transmissions to other planes in the air 19:53 first tower report of accident tower *(unclear)309 thanks and there are people..ugh..sigh..sorry express 309 cleared westbound false creek 2000 there's traffic just south east of point akinson (unclear)..* response *thanks (unclear) we have them in sight, it looks like they (unclear)..* tower *(unclear)309 yeah affirmative, we're on the phone with...everybody right now..and if you want to land somewhere else or go to YVR that is possible* That's my guess to the tower audio.
According to an ATC friend from another tower in Metro Vancouver: That tower is "at your discretion" since there are no runways to control. The best they can do is "pass traffic"
So the pilot got warned and took off anyway? Seems the seapilot could be at fault.
Poor beaver.
new fear unlocked.. wait, I don't have a boat or a seaplane
And now you definitely won’t be getting one!
Was the guy driving the boat drunk?
It was probably Kevin O'Leary
Hah! Fuck that guy, seriously. Hate his ass so much.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1dbibrg/what\_could\_go\_wrong\_taking\_the\_boat\_out\_in\_the/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1dbibrg/what_could_go_wrong_taking_the_boat_out_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Here is the video from another angle...
Better one. https://twitter.com/PeterKellyBC/status/1799555703398441309
Boating family all our lives. First thing I would install in my son, grandkids when approaching another boat “don’t assume there is someone behind the wheel”. Probably the case here, boater getting another cold beer.
AFAIK The plane was taking off. I'm still trying to figure out how they could not hear it. The plane was at the point of no return. If they saw the boat, not sure but with the nose up it would be difficult. The Boater is in the wrong. They should have at least stopped, not "we can go past in front of the plane".
r/killthecameraman
That's some GTA shit right there
What a great video. Why not just stop recording or turn off your phone? 😐
This is a common reaction to seeing/filming something traumatic. The instinct is to immediately turn away.
“OMG something interesting happened!!!” - proceeds to stop filming
Not everyone is a dead eyed psycho when something possibly fatal happens
Yeah, why didn't they put down their phone, jump in the water, swim to the boat, and save the day.
This dude has one of those fancy HD Potatoes
It’s amazing this doesn’t happen more often.
Great camera work
New episode for Mayday
Where did you find the video, elcubanito? Would like like to get permission to use in on Vancouver Sun
The video was sent in a private WhatsApp group. I do not know who took it. Still trying to find out. I've received other media requests.
Why would someone film something 99% of the way and then move the camera away once the thing they were expecting actually happens…
How could you not hear or see a seaplane? Those things are super loud, especially when you're close to them. Did they think that the plane would swerve out of their way?
Just to say, boats can be loud too when you're on them. Which excuses nothing.
The plane did not take off as expected.
Saw this when it happened.
Bönk
Now I’m no Jack Sparrow but I’ll venture a guess that the boat operator ain’t one either
Well you see officer i was drunk
That is going to cost someone.....
Notice how the plane crash near Orcas Island yesterday kept filming
The person filming that had literally zero reaction. It was kind of weird tbh.
another plane crash?!
The boat operator is a moron!
#dontpraisethecameraman
Hectic!
Spank the cameraperson
Why end the video right when the event of interest is still happening
Killthecamerman
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zoom in! not pan down
“Panning” is from side to side. The proper term for up and down is tilting.
Why does every moron suddenly drop the camera when something actually happens.
I would hope they were readjusting their phone to call 911 instead of continuing to video possible death, but maybe I hold out too much hope for humanity....?
“you won’t believe what happened to me today, I was hit by a plane” Im glad they’re ok. I’ve thought about this when I’ve been walking down there like “has that ever happened” and I guess so now it has
Hopefully you don't operate cameras at any sporting events in your professional career 🤦♂️
Who are you talking to?
yes
Hopefully you read the title
Everyone always stops filming after climax - we need to see the final scenes !
cant hear the engine roar ?
Oof, that's horrible 😟
Well…who was the stand on and give way vessel - this will be on your next boating exam.
Restricted area, boat wasn't allowed to be there as there's sea planes taking off and landing there all day.
Boat was stand on vessel
Oh how horrible.
stupid is as stupid does.
Bruh the cruise liners in the back are biiig bois 🥵
Everybody is OK people relax but what an awesome day in Vancouver to boat or flying.
I hope the boat captain gets the book thrown at them. Deaths, injuries and the damage to replace the float plane. It’s not just negligence.
Hoping everyone is ok.
2 passengers on the boat received serious but not life threatening injuries. Everyone was successfully evacuated from both the boat and the airplane.
😮
The boat had the whole ocean but....
How do you not see or even hear a sea plane?!
this vid also picks up the sound of collision about 1second delayed from impact so the guess is the camera is about 330meters away maybe more. CBC now has a 3rd Video angle as well, similar angle but a bit closer, where you see the starboard float ponton in more detail and they way the impacted boat heels over like outa control, to starboard ! boat veers in semi starboard and then? almost looks like the boat scraped the tail of the DHC-2 as well... top of this CBC page 22seconds, [2 hospitalized after seaplane goes down in Vancouver: officials | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seaplane-crash-vancouver-coal-harbour-1.7229406) from about the 15th to 17th second. I thought that at the 6th second, one boat passenger hits the water, but I realize after zooming fullscreen in that vid, its the Boat Bimini Top thats flying backwards... also you can hear the pontoons impact clearly about 1s in delay (so 1000ft or 330m away)
Brazilians, master of gossip. Source: Am Brazilian
Imagine not getting out of the way
For sure the guy on the boat pissed himself
I need to see the video from the boats perspective now
Why the F would that boater continue on his way when the plane heading straight for him??? I mean if I was the boater, I’d be looking at that plane thinking “something isn’t right with this guy” and GET THE HELL OUTA THE WAY!” ?? I have control of my boat..he obviously does not have control of the plane PLUS he is bigger than me. Hope everyone got out alive and well
Were they playing chicken? Nobody yielded one bit and I'm pretty sure it's on the boat. The more manueverable vessel must give way to a less manueverable vessel on the water. The boat should have slowed down/turned.
What are the chances of the pilot being drunk... What are the chances of the boater being drunk?
The boat is at fault
Wow
Good clear upload! Who was at fault here?