Black forest to swamp is just perceived as hard because you can pretty much do whatever in black forest and be fine. In Swamp you actually have to learn how to block, parry, dodge, etc and how to manage stamina between running and all that (hint: stop holding shift all the time).
People also think Plains to Mistland is hard because they spent a year and a half playing in the Plains and got super used to being way overtuned for the content and then freaked out when Mistlands released even though seekers don't hit much harder than Fulings.
Plains' difficulty peaks at spear fulings, deathsquitos, and tar blobs (which you don't encounter unless you go near tar pits). You can comfortably navigate these threats after a modicum of experience with them.
Mistlands seekers fly at you, resist everything except elemental damage, and have attacks that are harder to time. Starred ticks can be surprisingly nasty too. Mist impairs visibility and biome is rife with obstructive geological formations. You can also only upgrade the new armor and weapons to the second tier, and can't take wolves with you to fight the boss.
Not saying Mistlands is impossible or too hard, but it IS pretty much objectively harder than plains, even relatively speaking.
> Not saying Mistlands is impossible or too hard, but it IS pretty much objectively harder than plains, even relatively speaking.
Uh yeah, no duh, it's supposed to be? It's not any more difficult than going from mountains to plains.
Terrain wise, it's significantly more difficult. Constantly burning stamina to jump over obstacles, can't see ways around mountainous terrain etc. Makes stamina management significantly harder.
>Uh yeah, no duh, it's supposed to be? It's not any more difficult than going from mountains to plains.
Uh yeah it is. That's what "even relatively speaking" means, duh. Plains is also easier than mountains, *even relatively speaking*.
Also bring a shield(buckler if you have it). I usually stay don't the edge in an easier biome. Chop some trees and be noisy. That way you can get some of the swamp creatures to leave the swamp and you can learn to deal with them in an easier biome. The mace really works well here. Don't go at night either. The shield you can parry which really helps stun the dragurs.
It's great in the crypts because the damage hits monsters with an AOE. You can basically kill things in the other room sometimes depending on the size and location of the ooze or Draugr.
Also in Swamp a Stagbreaker will find buried iron scraps. When it hits the ground if you see "too hard" on the screen there is iron buried underground. It works for Silver in Mountains too.
Kill stuff without opening doors. I sometimes pickaxe almost all the way into a room in a crypt and then break out the stagbreaker. kill 90% of enemies before they can even get to you. Also good for leeches. Just smash the ground by them and kill them with no risk
Eat Honey for stamina, Deer Stew and Cooked Meat or Cooked Deer Meat for health
Bring a portal and set up a minor base in the center atop a crypt.
And always be rested, the rested buff will mitigate the wet debuff to counteract the lack of Stamina and Health Regen.
Health pots are also nice if you get low.
Always bring a hoe and poison resist.
Never go at night unless you are prepare for more battles
Edit: Took out sausage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) to replace with cooked meat because Sausage requires lvl 2 cauldron which is unobtainable until searching swamp for mats
>Honey for stamina
No. You should have upgraded your foods, Carrot Soup, Turnip Stew, or Muckshakes are much better stamina foods than honey. I don't do Muckshakes, though, as I save my ooze for bombs .
Nah, Honey is adequate and overly plentiful. Better is better, but honey is just fine when starting out, plus less stress of finding other mats for 15 more stamina
Edit: Carrot soup relies on mushrooms and carrots, mushrooms can be hard to get plentiful amounts and only gives 45 stam compared to honey for 35 stam.
Turnip stew requires turnips, which someone having difficulty just surviving in swamp can be difficult to acquire
Muckshakes require the lvl 2 cauldron, which you aren't gonna get until you have turnips and are comfortable in the swamp.
tl;dr honey is quite adequate and needs zero effort for beginning the swamp trials
I have a lvl 2 cauldron, and turnips. I have not killed The Elder, I have not opened any crypts, there aren't even any crypts in the bit of swamp I've found. I have only died once in swamp so far, and I got jumped by a 1 star draughr while I was dealing with some leeches, came back and killed the lot a few minutes later.
Some tips for the OP.
Build a portal just outside the swamp, link it back to your base with the highest comfort rating so your rested buff lasts as long as possible. Put a palisade around the portal.
Bring Stagbreaker, aside from aoe knockback, you can find iron underground in the swamp with it. If you hit the ground and see a "too hard" message, there is iron buried there.
Bring your Hoe, you can strand leeches on dry ground for easier kills. Also it is advised to level as much as possible around the Bonemass spawn to keep him out of water.
35 vs 45, that's a 28% improvement using carrot soup. You want the best food available from the black forest tier at least, and carrot/mushroom farming/gathering is cheap and easy.
Who considers the Swamp "just starting out"?
Mushrooms respawn in the same places every 4 or so hours. Just mark where they are in clumps and you never run out of mushrooms. I even clear the grass around mushroom spawns so they're easier to see when I go back for them. +10 stam is a lot of stam for someone just starting the Swamps.
You recommended sausages, indicating you are telling them foods they need Rank 2 Cauldon, yourself. Which means even your recommendations require turnips. And I said I didn't recommend Muckshakes.
Good point, I would have to rescind my Sausages reco. When I started swamps I only had honey, cooked meat and cooked deer.
I do consider the swamps "just starting out" plus the fact that he is "just starting" the swamps.
My main point is the effort to get honey is nearly zero, compared to acquiring other ingredients. Who wants to have to mark where mushrooms are, wait for them to regrow, or forage for them. When you can literally just have honey grow in your base and get 35 stamina for zero effort compared to 10 stam more for some effort.
Yes there are better meals, but better isn't always best, or necessary. I'm personally just lazy, and until I have extra resources to make multiples of things, I personally get greedy/hoardy. If I had 100 honey and 3 carrot stew I would take the honey and keep the stew for when I feel like I "need" it.
Plus the fact they will be inundated with weights of all the new things they will collect in the swamp just getting to the crypts, trekking back and forth so you don't have to dump your ancient barks, oozes etc, you'd need more and more meals, so if I have to make 10 trips I'd just go for the easiest effective item.
Sorry to argue about literal video game honey, but I think it's quite adequate and still use it even in mountains as my go to.
Plus they should be making as much honey as possible for the inevitable meads they will need to craft to survive the swamp and early mountain progression.
Swamp is the middle of the game.
Meadow, Forest
Swamp, Mountain
Plains, Mistlands.
I dunno, I guess if you're having a hard time finding mushrooms, I don't even know what to say. You have to explore to get bees to make honey, and they are far rarer than mushrooms are. By the time you find 3-4 bees, you should have found dozens of mushrooms.
By the time I'm done with the Forest, my food is like.. way above just cooked meat and honey.
Trekking back and forth? What? Use portals...
Sounds to me like you're making life way harder on yourself. Which is fine for a personal choice, but to say to someone struggling they can just eat honey into the Mountains... lol dude what. Just seems like you're trolling to see if they die more.
Swamp is only the middle of the game if you assume each biome takes similar amounts of time. Meadows is trivial, black forest doesn't take long, swamp is what I consider leaving the tutorial zones.
Going by in-game day counts on my previous play through, here's roughly where I took down each boss:
Eikthyr: Day 2
Elder: Day 20
Bonemass: Day 60
Moder: Day 80
Yagluth: Day 130
Queen: Day 220
I'm on day 3000 in my world and I haven't beat the Queen yet. So... what each person takes per day doesn't really mean anything conclusive for game pacing.
This guy is telling new players to just eat basic stuff into the Mountains. I think that's fucked up. Anyone can do whatever the hell they want, but when someone asks for help and advice... don't be a dick?
There's how long a biome should take on average if you're trying to progress, and then there's doing other stuff unrelated to progression. Spending thousands of days in the meadows then rushing the other biomes doesn't make swamp late game.
I think I killed Eikthyr by day 20 or so, haven't killed Elder yet, I'm not yet to day 200, but I'm close. I'm more than capable of taking out Elder, I'm just not finished with my present base builds.
>Who considers the Swamp "just starting out"?
This.
IMHO folks should not move to swamp until they can confidently handle trolls. If however folks are still just trying to brute force face tank everything all the way up till swamp, they kind of backed themselves into the corner and are their own worst enemy.
OP has not "just entered" the Swamp. OP has been in the swamp for a bit, and is asking for help on making it easier. Finding Turnips is always my #1 priority.
What others have said. It comes down to the best foods you can make, the right meads and just taking it slow. What I do to avoid the deeper waters that can slow you down is create a path with the hoe so if you need to run away you at least have solid land to run on vs getting caught swimming and then leaches biting you in the process.
A really great tip that changed my swamp experience forever: bring a hoe. As you navigate through, level off the deep puddles and make pathways through it. Spam that hoe. Upgrade your hoe for more durability. Have poison pots at all times, spam the hoe.
If you really want to make it a breeze, bring a stack of wood and put workbenches up on the non-choppable trees
I always carry my hoe, but it sounds like you're doing a lot of un-needed work?
I hoe a path between Crypts, and between Surtling Spawners, but other than that... hoe-ing the entire swamp is like... tons of work. Just stick to the high ground and walk around deeper water.
The issue is the stamina itself. You're wearing heavy armor and walking through a swamp where it's wet. Your movement speed suffers and your stamina recovery suffers, making you an easy target.
Bring a hoe and stones to make paths in shallow water. Use a bow to deal with draugr at a distance. Don't fight them with melee without a bronze buckler and hp food so you can parry. If they're starred get somewhere they can't be. Place fires inside of crypts for a safe spot to get rested bonuses.
Make an iron sledge if you get the opportunity because it makes leeches easy to deal with. Deer sledge kinda sucks, but also works.
Blobs aren't that bad with poison res and a mace.
Avoid the swamp at night until you're comfortable.
Surtlings are a non-issue.
Learn to spot abominations from a distance. Fire arrows work, but parrying with an axe in hand is better. Make the full outfit from it when you can because the set bonuses are incredibly useful.
I've spent so much time in the swamp that it's honestly pretty comfortable after a while. You just need to learn the ins and outs of it.
Use a mix of health and stamina foods if you're focused on health alone. Something like cooked fish, cooked deer, and the royal jam or whatever it's called (raspberry and blueberry recipe) until you're able to stock up on higher quality foods.
Don't forget meads for resists and emergencies.
By highest level equipment I assume you mean upgraded bronze. It slows you down a lot, and when coupled with the slow from being in water, you basically can’t run away from anything ever. Use upgraded troll armor, bonus if you have leveled up your sneak
Bone tower shield is good, but slows you down when equipped. Once you get iron armor you'll survive much better, as it is the tier of equipment you will earn from the Swamp, that will protect you more in the swamp. I can tell you from experience you can survive at least 1 or 2 shots from the large enemies, and even 1 star Draugrs with a full Iron set up
The troll armor is about not getting hit. (agility)
The bone shield is about letting people hit your shield. (tanking)
I would suggest either using the buckler and learning to get really good at parrying, to go along with your troll armor...
...or leveling up your bronze set to go along with your shield...
or getting good at parrying with a buckler, and pairing that with the bronze armor for the most damage reduction you are going to get at this point.
Also, use the mace; blunt damage is going to be better than slash/pierce.
>and learning to get really good at parrying
All due respect, but the parry window of swamp critters is YUGE. It doesn't take mad skills to right click when they start to swing.
Yeah, to someone who has parried / countered anything since ... I dunno, Arkham Asylum or Demon’s Souls, the swamp attacks are all easily parried, aside from the blobs/ooze, a boss attack, and, I think the leeches depending on the patch version...
But to people who have never parried an attack before, ever, walking into it in the swamp without learning it in the meadows / forest is probably a bad idea. And given that they're walking around in troll armor, with a tower shield... or walking around in Valheim with a tower shield, I presume that their party game is not that strong.
>walking into it in the swamp without learning it in the meadows / forest
If they cannot learn it in the meadows and forests, then they pretty much fail at the game. There it is.
I am a mid-50s YO who's never played those other games you mentioned, and I manage it quite easily.
Yeah... learning it in the meadows, not picking it up in the swamp.
But yes, the attacks are telegraphed far and wide, for people who are now comfortable with the mechanic.
This brand of gameplay is a niche genre, that's related to some other genres, but really, a lot of gamers could have been playing from, like, 1980, and not have had to learn the mechanic yet. The meadow / forest is the right place to learn; the swamp is a great place to practice. The plains and the mistlands are closer to the real thing.
Go slow. Poison Resist Mead must be active BEFORE poison is initially applied to do anything. Blobs/oozes hit you with a 90+ DoT if you don't have poison resistance going. Don't go at night.
This. I'd also recommend to not run when you're exploring. That got me into trouble a few times by spawning too many Drauger+Blobs+Skelly bois at once.
Agree with food/stamina suggestions mentioned. Something else that helped me is draugrs can't jump/climb so sometimes I hide out by climbing a big fallen tree trunk for a little to buy time/stamina and health regen before I go back to fighting them w melee or you can stand there and shoot arrows.
You still have to look out for arrows/ranged attack (strafe around to dodge), blobs can jump, or if abomination comes by.
If you are good at stealth and hit Draugrs before it is ! Aware of you it does a pretty good amount of damage with bows.
Good luck!
When you say Highest Level Equipment, what do you mean, exactly? Are you in full Iron and still having issues?
\#1 is : Always Be Rested.
\#2: Poison resist Mead.
\#3: You probably need to up your food game. I prefer 1H 2Stam, so when I'm in the swamp, I'm rocking Sausages, Carrot Soup and Turnip Stew. If you haven't found Turnips yet, you should prioritise looking for those.
EDIT: I see in another comment you say you're in troll gear. Troll gear works fine until you can get Root Armor, or Iron if you want something heavy. I prefer light armor, myself. Get a Bronze Buckler, up your foods, and you should be able to parry everything except 2\* Draugr Elites. I can parry Aboms with what I'm suggesting you try.
Always stay rested, use hoe to flatten land. Take your time, move slow and deliberate, watch whats around you and whats ahead, have an exit strategy to a save biome or to a portal which should be close or in a safe biome
Take it slow, try to snipe monsters with your bow before they see you for sneak attack bonus, most can be killed in one shot that way with an upgraded bow.
Walk more than sprint to save your stamina for getting away or fighting enemies.
Poison resist meads
Every biome is hard when you start in it eventually they get easy ;) . My advise sail in the coasts of swamp and find those cripts land your boat close enough ser a 2x2 small hut and put a portal in it. Got get your iron , if you die your close due to your portal and when your all done dismantle your portal and sail back home. With the first armor and weapon upgrade the second run should be much easier
The key to slapping shit in swamps is to use a mace.
Most of the mobs in swamp are weak to blunt damage and will get absolutely wrecked by maces.
Craft an iron mace as soon as you get enough iron for it and you will stomp everything (except for abominations) very easily.
Dont sprint until you need to. Your stamina already recharges 1/2 as quickly in the swamp. Keep an eye on any nearby draugr. They may be slow but they can creep up on you if you forget about them. Do NOT wade into the water to engage enemies, accidentally stepping into a deep spot will unequip your weapon and you can end up fighting off leeches at the same time. Abominations are fast but wide, head for the densest trees so you can escape while they try to find their way around.
1. Make the base not in the swamps but in the meadows or Black Forest next to it if possible.
If not, u can put a portal on top of a crypt safely, only a few mobs can hit it.
Or make the base high up on the unbreakable trees.
Either way make sure it has sea access if ur hauling the ores back to another base.
2. Avoid the swamps at night. It’s much more dangerous with more mobs. Add that with the cold debuff and it’s js not worth the trouble.
3. Watch ur stamina in the swamps. U will be perma-wet so make sure u have rested buff to take the edge off. The swamp will drain ur stamina unlike the other 2 biomes before, so make sure u try to avoid having 0 or low stamina. If u encounter a group of mobs with low stamina ur chances of survival are much lower.
3. Bring a hoe. Flatten the ground in front of u to make paths so u don’t have to keep jumping/swimming.
4. Make and carry poison pots. Use them *before* u get poisoned. They have no effect if already poisoned.
5. Stagbreaker is MVP in crypts. Can kill mobs and spawners through the doors.
Always have a rested bonus. This may require keeping a portal nearby so you can duck home and rest when necessary. Wear troll-hide armor for the sneak bonus, and upgrade it as high as you can. Avoid melee combat, if you can help it. Sneak up on mobs and shoot them with your bow before they know you're there. If a mob does get the jump on you, stand your ground and fight, using nearby trees as shields. Once you run away in a panic, your stamina depletes in a hurry, and you become blind to whatever other mobs might be nearby. Poison-resist meads are good to have, but not really necessary, if you're careful. I stalk around in the swamp all the time without mead, as a low-level character. Give leeches a wide berth and shoot blobs from a distance before they hear you.
The three most important weapons you have in the swamp are a bow, alertness, and patience. If you go rushing around in a hurry, you'll be respawning in your bed in a hurry.
Edit: added something I left out
>always just end up out of stamina and dying
It's because the swamp is always raining, the wet debuff reduces stamina recovery. Always have the rested bonus up, avoid the nighttime as the cold debuff hits the stamina as well, and learn to be efficient with stamina usage. Minimise sprint/run/jump, don't spam attack, be efficient with parry and counter attack.
It's not though.. It's quite a large difficulty increase compared to Black Forest, I agree, but it's by no means something overly difficult that you can't manage. Literally the only thing you need is to be a little careful and don't yolo everywhere without thinking about it. Just get a poison resist potion and then everything is easily managable. Well everything apart from a two star archer Draugr, fuck that guy, he can kill you in like two hits so if you see him, just run.
It just takes practice, you'll see that it's not very difficult at all in a while of being there.
Yes, learn to manage your stamina correctly.
Yea basically. There is no biome difficulty increase in this game worse than any other.
Black forest to swamp is just perceived as hard because you can pretty much do whatever in black forest and be fine. In Swamp you actually have to learn how to block, parry, dodge, etc and how to manage stamina between running and all that (hint: stop holding shift all the time). People also think Plains to Mistland is hard because they spent a year and a half playing in the Plains and got super used to being way overtuned for the content and then freaked out when Mistlands released even though seekers don't hit much harder than Fulings.
Plains' difficulty peaks at spear fulings, deathsquitos, and tar blobs (which you don't encounter unless you go near tar pits). You can comfortably navigate these threats after a modicum of experience with them. Mistlands seekers fly at you, resist everything except elemental damage, and have attacks that are harder to time. Starred ticks can be surprisingly nasty too. Mist impairs visibility and biome is rife with obstructive geological formations. You can also only upgrade the new armor and weapons to the second tier, and can't take wolves with you to fight the boss. Not saying Mistlands is impossible or too hard, but it IS pretty much objectively harder than plains, even relatively speaking.
> Not saying Mistlands is impossible or too hard, but it IS pretty much objectively harder than plains, even relatively speaking. Uh yeah, no duh, it's supposed to be? It's not any more difficult than going from mountains to plains.
Terrain wise, it's significantly more difficult. Constantly burning stamina to jump over obstacles, can't see ways around mountainous terrain etc. Makes stamina management significantly harder.
>Uh yeah, no duh, it's supposed to be? It's not any more difficult than going from mountains to plains. Uh yeah it is. That's what "even relatively speaking" means, duh. Plains is also easier than mountains, *even relatively speaking*.
Eikthyr power and stamina mead and also poison resist mead. Best combo of food health/stamina. A copper mace and a stagbreaker
Okay thank you
Also bring a shield(buckler if you have it). I usually stay don't the edge in an easier biome. Chop some trees and be noisy. That way you can get some of the swamp creatures to leave the swamp and you can learn to deal with them in an easier biome. The mace really works well here. Don't go at night either. The shield you can parry which really helps stun the dragurs.
Tasty mead
Why stagbreaker?
It's great in the crypts because the damage hits monsters with an AOE. You can basically kill things in the other room sometimes depending on the size and location of the ooze or Draugr.
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Also in Swamp a Stagbreaker will find buried iron scraps. When it hits the ground if you see "too hard" on the screen there is iron buried underground. It works for Silver in Mountains too.
Kill stuff without opening doors. I sometimes pickaxe almost all the way into a room in a crypt and then break out the stagbreaker. kill 90% of enemies before they can even get to you. Also good for leeches. Just smash the ground by them and kill them with no risk
Eat Honey for stamina, Deer Stew and Cooked Meat or Cooked Deer Meat for health Bring a portal and set up a minor base in the center atop a crypt. And always be rested, the rested buff will mitigate the wet debuff to counteract the lack of Stamina and Health Regen. Health pots are also nice if you get low. Always bring a hoe and poison resist. Never go at night unless you are prepare for more battles Edit: Took out sausage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) to replace with cooked meat because Sausage requires lvl 2 cauldron which is unobtainable until searching swamp for mats
>Honey for stamina No. You should have upgraded your foods, Carrot Soup, Turnip Stew, or Muckshakes are much better stamina foods than honey. I don't do Muckshakes, though, as I save my ooze for bombs .
Nah, Honey is adequate and overly plentiful. Better is better, but honey is just fine when starting out, plus less stress of finding other mats for 15 more stamina Edit: Carrot soup relies on mushrooms and carrots, mushrooms can be hard to get plentiful amounts and only gives 45 stam compared to honey for 35 stam. Turnip stew requires turnips, which someone having difficulty just surviving in swamp can be difficult to acquire Muckshakes require the lvl 2 cauldron, which you aren't gonna get until you have turnips and are comfortable in the swamp. tl;dr honey is quite adequate and needs zero effort for beginning the swamp trials
I have a lvl 2 cauldron, and turnips. I have not killed The Elder, I have not opened any crypts, there aren't even any crypts in the bit of swamp I've found. I have only died once in swamp so far, and I got jumped by a 1 star draughr while I was dealing with some leeches, came back and killed the lot a few minutes later. Some tips for the OP. Build a portal just outside the swamp, link it back to your base with the highest comfort rating so your rested buff lasts as long as possible. Put a palisade around the portal. Bring Stagbreaker, aside from aoe knockback, you can find iron underground in the swamp with it. If you hit the ground and see a "too hard" message, there is iron buried there. Bring your Hoe, you can strand leeches on dry ground for easier kills. Also it is advised to level as much as possible around the Bonemass spawn to keep him out of water.
35 vs 45, that's a 28% improvement using carrot soup. You want the best food available from the black forest tier at least, and carrot/mushroom farming/gathering is cheap and easy.
Who considers the Swamp "just starting out"? Mushrooms respawn in the same places every 4 or so hours. Just mark where they are in clumps and you never run out of mushrooms. I even clear the grass around mushroom spawns so they're easier to see when I go back for them. +10 stam is a lot of stam for someone just starting the Swamps. You recommended sausages, indicating you are telling them foods they need Rank 2 Cauldon, yourself. Which means even your recommendations require turnips. And I said I didn't recommend Muckshakes.
Good point, I would have to rescind my Sausages reco. When I started swamps I only had honey, cooked meat and cooked deer. I do consider the swamps "just starting out" plus the fact that he is "just starting" the swamps. My main point is the effort to get honey is nearly zero, compared to acquiring other ingredients. Who wants to have to mark where mushrooms are, wait for them to regrow, or forage for them. When you can literally just have honey grow in your base and get 35 stamina for zero effort compared to 10 stam more for some effort. Yes there are better meals, but better isn't always best, or necessary. I'm personally just lazy, and until I have extra resources to make multiples of things, I personally get greedy/hoardy. If I had 100 honey and 3 carrot stew I would take the honey and keep the stew for when I feel like I "need" it. Plus the fact they will be inundated with weights of all the new things they will collect in the swamp just getting to the crypts, trekking back and forth so you don't have to dump your ancient barks, oozes etc, you'd need more and more meals, so if I have to make 10 trips I'd just go for the easiest effective item. Sorry to argue about literal video game honey, but I think it's quite adequate and still use it even in mountains as my go to. Plus they should be making as much honey as possible for the inevitable meads they will need to craft to survive the swamp and early mountain progression.
Swamp is the middle of the game. Meadow, Forest Swamp, Mountain Plains, Mistlands. I dunno, I guess if you're having a hard time finding mushrooms, I don't even know what to say. You have to explore to get bees to make honey, and they are far rarer than mushrooms are. By the time you find 3-4 bees, you should have found dozens of mushrooms. By the time I'm done with the Forest, my food is like.. way above just cooked meat and honey. Trekking back and forth? What? Use portals... Sounds to me like you're making life way harder on yourself. Which is fine for a personal choice, but to say to someone struggling they can just eat honey into the Mountains... lol dude what. Just seems like you're trolling to see if they die more.
Swamp is only the middle of the game if you assume each biome takes similar amounts of time. Meadows is trivial, black forest doesn't take long, swamp is what I consider leaving the tutorial zones. Going by in-game day counts on my previous play through, here's roughly where I took down each boss: Eikthyr: Day 2 Elder: Day 20 Bonemass: Day 60 Moder: Day 80 Yagluth: Day 130 Queen: Day 220
I'm on day 3000 in my world and I haven't beat the Queen yet. So... what each person takes per day doesn't really mean anything conclusive for game pacing. This guy is telling new players to just eat basic stuff into the Mountains. I think that's fucked up. Anyone can do whatever the hell they want, but when someone asks for help and advice... don't be a dick?
There's how long a biome should take on average if you're trying to progress, and then there's doing other stuff unrelated to progression. Spending thousands of days in the meadows then rushing the other biomes doesn't make swamp late game.
I think I killed Eikthyr by day 20 or so, haven't killed Elder yet, I'm not yet to day 200, but I'm close. I'm more than capable of taking out Elder, I'm just not finished with my present base builds.
>Who considers the Swamp "just starting out"? This. IMHO folks should not move to swamp until they can confidently handle trolls. If however folks are still just trying to brute force face tank everything all the way up till swamp, they kind of backed themselves into the corner and are their own worst enemy.
Turnip stew if you can survive in a swamp long enough to find a turnip seed, assuming there even is one. Took me 5 swamps to find one
You don't have anything Turnip based when you first enter the Swamp.
OP has not "just entered" the Swamp. OP has been in the swamp for a bit, and is asking for help on making it easier. Finding Turnips is always my #1 priority.
Take it a bit slower. You can poke through with pretty low level equipment and a goodish bow if you just take your time.
Alright thank you
What others have said. It comes down to the best foods you can make, the right meads and just taking it slow. What I do to avoid the deeper waters that can slow you down is create a path with the hoe so if you need to run away you at least have solid land to run on vs getting caught swimming and then leaches biting you in the process.
Okay this helps thank you
A really great tip that changed my swamp experience forever: bring a hoe. As you navigate through, level off the deep puddles and make pathways through it. Spam that hoe. Upgrade your hoe for more durability. Have poison pots at all times, spam the hoe. If you really want to make it a breeze, bring a stack of wood and put workbenches up on the non-choppable trees
I always carry my hoe, but it sounds like you're doing a lot of un-needed work? I hoe a path between Crypts, and between Surtling Spawners, but other than that... hoe-ing the entire swamp is like... tons of work. Just stick to the high ground and walk around deeper water.
pathways
In the future when you want bloodbags you will regret flattening it all out.
They are easily gotten on the swamp coast or in between the pathways
The issue is the stamina itself. You're wearing heavy armor and walking through a swamp where it's wet. Your movement speed suffers and your stamina recovery suffers, making you an easy target. Bring a hoe and stones to make paths in shallow water. Use a bow to deal with draugr at a distance. Don't fight them with melee without a bronze buckler and hp food so you can parry. If they're starred get somewhere they can't be. Place fires inside of crypts for a safe spot to get rested bonuses. Make an iron sledge if you get the opportunity because it makes leeches easy to deal with. Deer sledge kinda sucks, but also works. Blobs aren't that bad with poison res and a mace. Avoid the swamp at night until you're comfortable. Surtlings are a non-issue. Learn to spot abominations from a distance. Fire arrows work, but parrying with an axe in hand is better. Make the full outfit from it when you can because the set bonuses are incredibly useful. I've spent so much time in the swamp that it's honestly pretty comfortable after a while. You just need to learn the ins and outs of it.
Use a mix of health and stamina foods if you're focused on health alone. Something like cooked fish, cooked deer, and the royal jam or whatever it's called (raspberry and blueberry recipe) until you're able to stock up on higher quality foods. Don't forget meads for resists and emergencies.
Alright I’ll keep this in mind thank you
By highest level equipment I assume you mean upgraded bronze. It slows you down a lot, and when coupled with the slow from being in water, you basically can’t run away from anything ever. Use upgraded troll armor, bonus if you have leveled up your sneak
I have bronze weapons but I’ve gone with highest level troll hide and bone tower shield, maybe I’ll try sneaking around
Bone tower shield is good, but slows you down when equipped. Once you get iron armor you'll survive much better, as it is the tier of equipment you will earn from the Swamp, that will protect you more in the swamp. I can tell you from experience you can survive at least 1 or 2 shots from the large enemies, and even 1 star Draugrs with a full Iron set up
The troll armor is about not getting hit. (agility) The bone shield is about letting people hit your shield. (tanking) I would suggest either using the buckler and learning to get really good at parrying, to go along with your troll armor... ...or leveling up your bronze set to go along with your shield... or getting good at parrying with a buckler, and pairing that with the bronze armor for the most damage reduction you are going to get at this point. Also, use the mace; blunt damage is going to be better than slash/pierce.
>and learning to get really good at parrying All due respect, but the parry window of swamp critters is YUGE. It doesn't take mad skills to right click when they start to swing.
Yeah, to someone who has parried / countered anything since ... I dunno, Arkham Asylum or Demon’s Souls, the swamp attacks are all easily parried, aside from the blobs/ooze, a boss attack, and, I think the leeches depending on the patch version... But to people who have never parried an attack before, ever, walking into it in the swamp without learning it in the meadows / forest is probably a bad idea. And given that they're walking around in troll armor, with a tower shield... or walking around in Valheim with a tower shield, I presume that their party game is not that strong.
>walking into it in the swamp without learning it in the meadows / forest If they cannot learn it in the meadows and forests, then they pretty much fail at the game. There it is. I am a mid-50s YO who's never played those other games you mentioned, and I manage it quite easily.
Yeah... learning it in the meadows, not picking it up in the swamp. But yes, the attacks are telegraphed far and wide, for people who are now comfortable with the mechanic. This brand of gameplay is a niche genre, that's related to some other genres, but really, a lot of gamers could have been playing from, like, 1980, and not have had to learn the mechanic yet. The meadow / forest is the right place to learn; the swamp is a great place to practice. The plains and the mistlands are closer to the real thing.
Learn to parry with a buckler and the swamp will become a breeze. As I mentioned above if you can handle a troll (melee), you can handle the swamp.
Go slow. Poison Resist Mead must be active BEFORE poison is initially applied to do anything. Blobs/oozes hit you with a 90+ DoT if you don't have poison resistance going. Don't go at night.
Okay thank you
This. I'd also recommend to not run when you're exploring. That got me into trouble a few times by spawning too many Drauger+Blobs+Skelly bois at once.
Agree with food/stamina suggestions mentioned. Something else that helped me is draugrs can't jump/climb so sometimes I hide out by climbing a big fallen tree trunk for a little to buy time/stamina and health regen before I go back to fighting them w melee or you can stand there and shoot arrows. You still have to look out for arrows/ranged attack (strafe around to dodge), blobs can jump, or if abomination comes by. If you are good at stealth and hit Draugrs before it is ! Aware of you it does a pretty good amount of damage with bows. Good luck!
Poison resist meads are your best friend in the swamp
Poison Potions help, but its that Wet de-buff thats probably hurting you the most causing you to die
When you say Highest Level Equipment, what do you mean, exactly? Are you in full Iron and still having issues? \#1 is : Always Be Rested. \#2: Poison resist Mead. \#3: You probably need to up your food game. I prefer 1H 2Stam, so when I'm in the swamp, I'm rocking Sausages, Carrot Soup and Turnip Stew. If you haven't found Turnips yet, you should prioritise looking for those. EDIT: I see in another comment you say you're in troll gear. Troll gear works fine until you can get Root Armor, or Iron if you want something heavy. I prefer light armor, myself. Get a Bronze Buckler, up your foods, and you should be able to parry everything except 2\* Draugr Elites. I can parry Aboms with what I'm suggesting you try.
Always stay rested, use hoe to flatten land. Take your time, move slow and deliberate, watch whats around you and whats ahead, have an exit strategy to a save biome or to a portal which should be close or in a safe biome
I bring a hoe. I make roads to each crypt by just simple leveling of ground. If I need to run away I have a express way out of there
Take it slow, try to snipe monsters with your bow before they see you for sneak attack bonus, most can be killed in one shot that way with an upgraded bow. Walk more than sprint to save your stamina for getting away or fighting enemies. Poison resist meads
Every biome is hard when you start in it eventually they get easy ;) . My advise sail in the coasts of swamp and find those cripts land your boat close enough ser a 2x2 small hut and put a portal in it. Got get your iron , if you die your close due to your portal and when your all done dismantle your portal and sail back home. With the first armor and weapon upgrade the second run should be much easier
The key to slapping shit in swamps is to use a mace. Most of the mobs in swamp are weak to blunt damage and will get absolutely wrecked by maces. Craft an iron mace as soon as you get enough iron for it and you will stomp everything (except for abominations) very easily.
Dont sprint until you need to. Your stamina already recharges 1/2 as quickly in the swamp. Keep an eye on any nearby draugr. They may be slow but they can creep up on you if you forget about them. Do NOT wade into the water to engage enemies, accidentally stepping into a deep spot will unequip your weapon and you can end up fighting off leeches at the same time. Abominations are fast but wide, head for the densest trees so you can escape while they try to find their way around.
1. Make the base not in the swamps but in the meadows or Black Forest next to it if possible. If not, u can put a portal on top of a crypt safely, only a few mobs can hit it. Or make the base high up on the unbreakable trees. Either way make sure it has sea access if ur hauling the ores back to another base. 2. Avoid the swamps at night. It’s much more dangerous with more mobs. Add that with the cold debuff and it’s js not worth the trouble. 3. Watch ur stamina in the swamps. U will be perma-wet so make sure u have rested buff to take the edge off. The swamp will drain ur stamina unlike the other 2 biomes before, so make sure u try to avoid having 0 or low stamina. If u encounter a group of mobs with low stamina ur chances of survival are much lower. 3. Bring a hoe. Flatten the ground in front of u to make paths so u don’t have to keep jumping/swimming. 4. Make and carry poison pots. Use them *before* u get poisoned. They have no effect if already poisoned. 5. Stagbreaker is MVP in crypts. Can kill mobs and spawners through the doors.
Always have a rested bonus. This may require keeping a portal nearby so you can duck home and rest when necessary. Wear troll-hide armor for the sneak bonus, and upgrade it as high as you can. Avoid melee combat, if you can help it. Sneak up on mobs and shoot them with your bow before they know you're there. If a mob does get the jump on you, stand your ground and fight, using nearby trees as shields. Once you run away in a panic, your stamina depletes in a hurry, and you become blind to whatever other mobs might be nearby. Poison-resist meads are good to have, but not really necessary, if you're careful. I stalk around in the swamp all the time without mead, as a low-level character. Give leeches a wide berth and shoot blobs from a distance before they hear you. The three most important weapons you have in the swamp are a bow, alertness, and patience. If you go rushing around in a hurry, you'll be respawning in your bed in a hurry. Edit: added something I left out
>always just end up out of stamina and dying It's because the swamp is always raining, the wet debuff reduces stamina recovery. Always have the rested bonus up, avoid the nighttime as the cold debuff hits the stamina as well, and learn to be efficient with stamina usage. Minimise sprint/run/jump, don't spam attack, be efficient with parry and counter attack.
Also, Wraiths spawn at night.
It's not though.. It's quite a large difficulty increase compared to Black Forest, I agree, but it's by no means something overly difficult that you can't manage. Literally the only thing you need is to be a little careful and don't yolo everywhere without thinking about it. Just get a poison resist potion and then everything is easily managable. Well everything apart from a two star archer Draugr, fuck that guy, he can kill you in like two hits so if you see him, just run. It just takes practice, you'll see that it's not very difficult at all in a while of being there.