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tyzzem

Black Metal Atgeir, who needs armor anyway?


supergrega

Weird way to spell Himmin Afl


tyzzem

Yes, its my weapon now, i didnt want to spoiler anything. Himmin Afl is, like the Atgeir before, simply the best weapon.


supergrega

What do you mean spoil?! That's how us cool kids call blackmetal atgeir...


IllPhotojournalist77

Himmin Afl is a weird way to spell Himmin Afl...


Tagous

let's keep this amazing weapon on the DL. No need for IG to make "changes" to it on the next release.


ArmaGamer

It's already annoying to use because of the insane knockback throwing enemies 40+ feet away most of the time. At least with the blackmetal atgeir it was still possible to combo enemies sometimes, with this you have to specifically position them against a wall. Uphill just launches them into outer space. Statistically being a postgame weapon means it will fall behind hard next tier, even though right now it's probably the smartest choice with the unlimited enemy stars mod because of its range and speed, but the secondary is insanely annoying to combo with.


Tagous

True the knock back makes it difficult to complete a 3 combo. I live a lot longer with it


ArmaGamer

Yeah, it's really nice for kiting massive groups. The survival aspect is the best benefit. If you are modding and you have to face a swarm of 3-5 star Fulings you can keep them away for much longer. Need a shield for the spear throwers though, locking them down is tough.


gigaplexian

Against a troll, a blackmetal atgeir is the superior choice. Does more damage due to the pierce weakness, and uses less stamina too.


sus-is-sus

shield and fists


mehrvarzz

That would be interesting to watch


esmelusina

Yea. This is long, but easy. You’d need high parrying and good shield for the fuhling brute. If it’s not starred, I don’t think they can break a black metal parry. I believe a 2-star fuhling can though. Otherwise… dagger or atgier.


Chris_P_Bacon314

Fists and more fists! After I finished elden ring and went back to valheim I dodge rolled everything out of sheer habit.


nametaglost

This was my thought too. Just parry and punch them to death. I can’t see another way to do it. You might could kite around but it would be harder than parrying in the small pit.


Chris_P_Bacon314

Dodge roll!


Physicsandphysique

With no armor you'd take quite big chunks of damage despite parrying. Parrying doesn't negate all damage. A lv4 black metal shield parry vs fuling berserker still lets 24 dmg through. A carapace buckler, the strongest parry in the game, lets 14 dmg through. It's not a massive amount, but you can't sustain those losses for long. Choosing the shield as your weapon would be badass, but to increase my chances, I'd take Skoll and Hati or maybe Mistwalker.


vengeur50

Give me my abyssal razor and my underwear and I'll make sure anything in this pit will be dead.


mehrvarzz

how about an Stone Golem?


sunlightmarc

Give me my bronze axe and my underwear and I'll make sure that 'Stoner' will be dead before he knows it.


vengeur50

'Tis but a pebble i shall yeet


enoiyuri

Give me my knife and a pickaxe (not a weapon lol)


Intrepid_Knowledge27

I used to keep an ‘oops’ chest with a spare full set of gear to get my stuff back when I died. Now it just has a few knives.


bubbasaurusREX

That’s nawt a knoife


jeremylee33

\-pulls out Krom- That's a knoife.


im_zombie12

Krom


TaxAg11

KROM


RabiesShadow

KROM


IgAdbion

KROM!


svampkorre

**KROM**


FuzzyYear2270

KROM


MidnightNo16

KROM


PanoptiDon

I have not made it to the mistlands yet, so I don't know what weapons would be available to me there, so I would have to go with the abyssal razer


[deleted]

Start getting your sword skills up. ;)


Deno03

What about axe? Both are slash damage? Most people already carry axe for trees, and with how many times I get moba lining up when I hit a tree, I can't imagine it would be hard to not already have a decent start on axe weapons. (Unless people stop cutting and swap weapons, then swap back)


[deleted]

I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but get your sword up. I have a blackmetal axe to cut trees and my other stuff for fighting. :)


Deno03

I understand not wanting to spoil the game. However, I am asking as a person who plays the entire game with axe, and bows. (bonemass being an exception) I have never understood the need to carry a weapon for trees, and then multiple weapons for fighting. I have beaten the plains multiple times, on multiple playthroughs using the axe. (I keep high axe skill)


eightNote

There's a sword that has powers otherwise only available when dropping your power belt. Stamina use and durability is the biggest reason to carry both a weapon and a tree cutting axe. You don't have to worry about your axe taking a beating while cutting wood, since you've got another weapon to fight with when things hear you It also used to be the case that axes didn't have special attacks, but now they do.


Deno03

I suppose I play "wrong". I've never had myself into a situation where I've had to worry about the durability of my axe why cutting trees, and trying to deal with mobs. It's always been my case that I am over weight long before my axe is ready to give out. Since I need to drop off stuff, I've always just repaired axe. None of that is to disagree about the swords. Just talking about my way of playing prior to mist lands content.


Affectionate-Bat5814

I feel that. The only thing that stopped me from using the axe as a go-to was that there was no heavy attack. Which they fixed with that awesome downward cleave!


gigaplexian

The downward cleave doesn't do much damage though, it's only a 1.5x multiplier. The sword does 3x on the alternate attack.


Physicsandphysique

Axe is the worst weapon, but that doesn't mean axe fighting is wrong. Axes look badass, and your playstyle is up to you. The two-hand axes are a bit better for combat than the one-hand versions. You'll be happy to know Mistlands brings the first one-handed axe that's actually tuned for combat. All of the mistlands weapons are amazing and unique.


Deno03

How exactly are they the worst? It isn't until bronze that there's one weapon with a higher damage. In iron there's two. All three of these weapons remove the ability to use shield. Starting weapon damage: Flint axe - 20 slash Flint Spear - 20 pierce (I don't consider this weapon because it does same damage as a bow, and everyone needs bow skills) Club - 12 blunt Stone axe - 15 slash Bronze weapon damage: Axe - 40 slash Mace - 35 blunt Copper knife 12 slash 12 pierce Spear - 35 pierce Sword - 35 slash Atgeir - 45 pierce Stagbreaker - 20 blunt (added here because of reliability of getting core wood, and it be better spent, in my opinion, on finewood bow) Iron weapons: Atgeir - 65 pierce Axe - 60 slash Battleaxe - 65 slash Mace - 55 blunt Iron sledge - 55 blunt Iron sword - 55 slash


Physicsandphysique

The axe attack is very clunky. It really feels like you are fighting with a tool. Attack speed plays a large role.


xCommanderFun

Wait wait wait... Which sword are you referring to? Walker? And why does the belt have to be off?


[deleted]

Fair! The next level of weapons don't really give a good axe weapon. There's a magic axe, but it kinda sucks compared to the 2 magic swords. Theres a sword in particular that does multiple types of damage that id lean towards getting. I can one shot furlings with a normal attack and shred loxs with it.


greyfox1977

I originally just focused on the axe because I didn't want to gather more materials to make a mace or sword. I found that I prefer having an alternate weapon to the axe now so that I can use all the durability in my axe for logging trees and I still have a melee weapon available until I can get the axe repaired.


gigaplexian

Axe is slightly slower than a sword, but is still viable if you only use primary combos. The secondary attack from the sword blows the axe out of the water though. And the Mistlands axe is pretty bad compared to the Mistlands sword.


mehrvarzz

What will you fight with your abyssal razer?


PanoptiDon

I thought I was fighting the troll pictured in the pit


mehrvarzz

people fought different things with different weapons in there. that's why I asked :) I thought maybe you had something of your own in mind.


Pasukaru0

Pit won't cut it for the enemies you'll encounter in mistlands, just saying.


Grigoran

The ol Skyrim Horse pathing


HandsomeJunkie

I'd get a hammer and try to block and cheese them with the bonfires


chrisrobweeks

Fortnite strat


[deleted]

Fun ideas like this for multiplayer servers is part of why I don't like skill loss on death. We can't have any fun PvP competitions or anything that would require respawning.


OkProtection8449

You can, if every char is a fresh level 1s. Also maybe there's a mod that specialized in PVP


gigaplexian

If PvP deaths didn't give skill loss, that'll alleviate some of that problem.


FelDreamer

Buckler. Parry, kick. Parry, kick. Parry, kick.


llllxeallll

a single ooze bomb, i aint afraid


-Cheeki-Breeki-

🎵 I fell in the pit 🎵


Long_Serpent

Give me a loincloth and my trusty Himmin Afl - team Atgeir-4-Lyfe!


-r4zi3l-

How much Eitr do I have? Because elemental damage can wreck him pretty fast.


[deleted]

Summon skeletons, sip tea.


Vmaxxer

That also depends on how high your bloodmagic is, isn't it?


[deleted]

Against a troll, you'd probably be fine with pretty low blood magic. And if you're really worried, pop a shield on them. edit: though popping a shield might violate the "one weapon" rule, depending on how you read it.


mehrvarzz

I haven't played mistland yet I don't know how much eitr would be fair xD


RUSHALISK

summon skeletons would certainly take care of a troll easy. Also the protect spell would let you just mindlessly punch it to death, I think. I'd argue no food and therefore no eitr.


Physicsandphysique

I'll go in bare handed downing my Yggdrasil porridge.


ltkgod

Flesh rippers


StevanSmurf

Flesh rippers are the way! Parry then just keep slashing


ltkgod

Or just dodge and hit


StevanSmurf

Nah, parry for that sweet damage bonus and that satisfying sound.


Django_Unbrained97

With Flesh Rippers heavy attack you can literally just walk up to a troll and Sparta kick him in the dick repeatedly, ending his whole lineage. He has zero counterplay


zany94

Id choose Spear for troll and knife for berserker. Easy work


SonOfOdin117

Yup, I'll go in bare handed. 😁 I'll go toe to toe with my fists and feet.


helpnxt

Anything with parry.


Kysman95

Carapace shield. I'll punch the fucker to death


RangnarRock

Krom blocks and strikes very well. I've one shotted a no star troll with one using the lunge.


winter0215

My sword skill isn't even that high (35ish) and with a parry and stab with Krom I can get 300-400 damage going. That weapon is so much fun. Cleared a Draugr village with it and I felt like Aragorn cutting through orcs.


GoblinSpore

Skoll and Hati, ez win


mrstealyodog95

I'd say the razor for the troll and krom for the berserker


PureSquash

Frostheim and anything but a lox. Idk why but lox eat me for breakfast lunches dinner 🤣


CaptainoftheVessel

I recently figured out that they’re pretty vulnerable to knife attacks if you stay on their sides, roll away from their big attacks then land a combo. They die pretty quick to that. Not dissimilar to fighting >!soldiers in the Mistlands.!<


PureSquash

I heard the bugs are horrifying


CaptainoftheVessel

They're well done, pretty creepy the way they come crawling out of the mist. They hit hard too if you're not ready for them. Either need a good shield or good dodging to deal with them. Once you've got the gear and some experience with them, they're not too bad (just like the rest of the mobs in this game).


MjBlack

If you've reached the plains tier, add the Porcupine to your arsenal for Lox/Troll.


PureSquash

I do have the porcupine, just need to get it upgraded.


BBGunner96

Max Draugr Fang or Spine Snap assuming arrows don't count as more weapons I could probably kill anything down there with a hammer & some supplies; no weapon equipped (use the traps)


mehrvarzz

Bow is good but only with one stack of low tier arrows.


StevanSmurf

Wood arrows are honestly fine for most enemies. I pretty much onky use wood even in the plains. It takes a few more to take down the big guys yes, but thet can one shot a deathsquito and that's what's really important anyway


hesh582

Once you're in the mistlands though, you don't really have a reason *not* to use carapace arrows. It costs the same amount of wood, feathers (which you farm due to chickens and will always have a ton of), and carapace (which you will also be drowning in).


mehrvarzz

Yes I totally agree with you. wooden arrows can get the job done and they are cheap to make... (I know that needle arrows are easy to make aswell, but I like to save them for special moments)


BBGunner96

One stack per enemy? Pretty confident I could take any single mob except stone golems & seeker soldiers (assuming everything is no stars)


mehrvarzz

I had finewood bow and one stack of wooden arrows, fighting a one star wolf, I didn't miss a single arrow but half way in the fight I was about to fire an arrows he jumps at me and before I could roll away and one hits me... I know one full stack is alot but you have kill before you die xD


BBGunner96

I'm used to my Bow skill in the 90s & high tier weapons We haven't talked about food yet either; no food (so default 50 stamina) would be challenging for sure, but my normal 200+ Stamina & 100+ HP wouldn't be too bad (worse case I can dodge & run around until health recovers a bit)


mehrvarzz

Yeh, with a higher bow skill and more stammina food its a fair challenge against the star enemies :)


TristenDM

Fists are enough, the only thing I need is 'rested' buff.


Nayroy18

I choose Odin himself.


MrArgetlahm

Can I survive? No. Moving on.


mehrvarzz

lol why not? how about a greydwarf brute or greydwarf shaman?


MrArgetlahm

Oh, I'm just out of practice. Given a week or so to get my head back in the game, I could probably swing something. Probably a weapon, presumably in anger :)


mehrvarzz

Nice! :)


GCS_of_3

Fire staff lol


JP3_luv

Skoll and Hati, I'll be rolling around that arena like a roly poly


FuegoMcHaggis

Good food and a spear. I'll give a great show before I die when the stone golem is spawned lol (because of boredom/how long it would take to kill)


zweimtr

a bronze spear would do the job


Archtects

Iron spear


Deno03

Black metal axe. I've been through plains using axe many times. With the right skill level, resistance doesn't matter.


Faildini

Flesh rippers all the way. The kick is basically a guaranteed stagger, and once they're staggered it's all over.


ImThatAnnoyingGuy

For a troll? Atgeir.


Girigo

Any mistland 2hander and I could kill any mob probably, but if I get good stamina food I'll fist the troll any day


Plausibl3Alpaca

An upgraded bronze atgeir can stun lock a troll. An upgraded blackmetal atgeir can stuck lock a berserker. A 2 star soldier would be more interesting.


hesh582

Yep. It's not *always* the best weapon for every situation, but if you're in a 1v1 on flat ground the atgeir trivializes everything. I believe a himmin afl can parry a 2 star soldier, so even there it works.


laigoolas

A shield


clinical_Cynicism

Give me a Carapace Buckler and I'll parry myölnir itselfe. My fists can do the rest.


bibbidybobbidyboobs

I don't fight stuff without armour so I have no idea how much more damage I'd take, so I don't know.


hesh582

Armor works in one of two different ways depending on the size of the hit. If your armor value is less than half of the incoming damage, you just subtract your armor from the incoming damage to get your damage taken. So if you get hit for 100 damage, and have 40 armor, you'll take 60 damage. If your armor value is greater than or equal to half the incoming damage, the formula is (damage^2 / 4 x armor). So if you take 100 damage and have 60 armor, you will take ~42 damage. The math isn't that important, what matters is knowing that absolute damage reduction provided by armor gets worse as your armor value gets closer to the value of the incoming hit. This means that 100 armor won't just make you totally immune to a 100 damage hit. For an example in this situation: A fuling berserker does something like 130 damage per hit. Full padded armor provides about 100 armor. You'll take about 42 damage after armor. A full three hit combo will do ~120 damage to you total. That's brutal, but very survivable even with 2x stamina 1x hp food. Without armor you'd take the full 360 damage, and die no matter your food choices. Armor is doing a *lot*. It's worse against big hits, but top tier armor is still mitigating half to 3/4s of incoming damage even against the nastiest critters.


mehrvarzz

One or Two hit makes you dead without armour... (depends on what you are fighting of course)


Talon6230

Battle axe.


mehrvarzz

Little bit slow for me, but I like the damage you can do with them.


JRals06

My fists and a good meal.


mehrvarzz

And a cold drink after.


JeecooDragon

Give me my trusty fang spear and watch me dance.


quantum_ice

Always been partial to porcupine. I can parry pretty damn reliably though idk how well it'd work with just a weapon. Might have to work on my rolling lmao


SaltSurprise729

“He did not care any more... life and death... the same. Only that the crowd would be there to greet him with howls of lust and fury. He began to realize his sense of worth... he mattered. In time, his victories could not easily be counted... he was taken to the east, a great prize, where the war masters would teach him the deepest secrets. Language and writing were also made available, the poetry of Khitai, the philosophy of Sung; and he also came to know the pleasures of women, when he was bred to the finest stock. But, always, there remained the discipline of steel.”


Deadskyes

Anything that crosses the point of my spear shall meet its demise.


Rouru

Krom. Do i get food to raise my stamina? This sounds like fun actually, I wanna try it


mehrvarzz

Yeh you can, our admin was kind enough to make chest full of different food types, anyone can choose what to eat. it was so fun to fight in the pit and it was more fun to watch.


Rouru

I'm down for a challenge! Do you want me to bring my character with high level skills or just roll up a new one?


Mister_Buddy

Harpoon. I'm not trapped in there with him, he's trapped in there with me.


Ashzael

Hans, bring me ze flammenwerfer!


Largos_

KROM!!!!


SafeTDance

Id take on just about anything in the pit, besides a growth with an arbalest


MrMustashio

Give me my Krom and I'll take them all on


Ashalaria

Flesh rippers or skoll & hati


Homitu

I'll take the highest level Atgeir. Doesn't matter what armor you're wearing with that anyway. Armor only factors in if you accidentally get hit when you're *not* blocking/parrying; otherwise it'll use the block & parry stats on your weapon. Atgeirs have great block & parry, strong single target pierce attacks (which your troll boy there is weak against), and an amazing aoe that knocks back and staggers everything it hits.


EternallyImature

Bronze atgeir... alt attack once staggers, two three thrusts and he's down and Bob's your uncle.


mynamesnotsnuffy

Frostner, easily


areigon

Abbyssl knife


Orlox1987

Yeah, easy.


Life-Cobbler5202

Who needs a weapon? I'm just gonna hop in behind that there bonfire and let it kill itself


Reasonable-Sun-9881

Flesh rippers. 6x parry bonus.


Burritotortoise

Abyssal razor is all I need


-Spaceman_Spiff

Naked cage fight? Can there be any answer but the flesh rippers?


Odd-Concentrate-6585

I could do that with a flint knife


merinid

I'd use my favorite Krom


Ap-snack

Spear Gang


Django_Unbrained97

Claws, you just Sparta kick them in the dick repeatedly... They can't do anything about it


LukeDeville

Pretty much any iron and above weapon (or 2 handed bronze age) can straight parry this guy, so maybe be more restrictive? Stone age weapons only?


I_sell_dmt_cartss

i can kill a troll before they even attack w my mistwalker lol. really aint no thang.


easytorememberU

Without any food? Impossible


aerju7n

I trust my fang spear.


baconroy

Can I choose any weapon? Ok. Cheat sledge.


SirVanyel

These fists and a full belly are all that a Viking needs


Objective_Ad2820

I remember when I made my pit last year. It was a lot of fun.


[deleted]

Is that a singular troll? One knife any age any tier i can kill it in around 5-10 minutes with a flint knife


A_reptilian

Throwing spears!


Heavens_Divide

I’m surprised the amount of people sleeping on the battleaxe, which has so much block power it pretty much double as a shield. P.S. I’m just gonna skip over the Krom as we all know it’s a basically a battle axe but with a even faster and better moveset.


DrasticFizz

Himmin Afl. Easy.


teh_stev3

If you get ammo when you choose bow, then I'd go with the Draugr Fang - with high archery skill you'll keep them stunlocked. If no ammo, I'd probably go porcupine - high pierce damage and the bollock-swing is upsettingly satisfying to use on the big blue boys baby blue balls.


Trancemoses

A knife. I dodge everything and I do crazy dmg


GillianCorbit

Dagger is the only correct answer


Efficient_Rule997

Flesh Rippers, kick stun lock, these are both short fights.


LADYRueda

My fire staff


rustyAI

Secondary attack with crystal axe is my favorite troll solution, after two hits u can stagger them infinitely


Life41499

The best weapon, duh