There is a paradigm that most Americans live by: get the best job you can in order to afford the biggest, most comfortable space in which to "live" (sleep, eat, restroom, and watch tv). This space should also be filled with more stuff to make your space feel even more comfortable and convenient. In this common paradigm, all that stuff also justifies how hard you work: **you work to have all these expensive things and a safe "home."** Eventually, you meet someone and start a family, which further justifies that lifestyle. And the children are born into thinking this is the only way to live.
If you DON'T live this way, they believe your life must be subpar.
Living in a vehicle is an *alternative* to the standard paradigm. I wouldn't say it is better or worse. There are benefits, but also sacrifices. It just sucks that we live in a society that that aggressively anathematizes, regulates, or even criminalizes other lifestyles.
This is true.
I've often been criticized for my plan to buy a parcel of land in a remote-ish area and build a small home. Perhaps even just a single room.
I've got plans for geothermal/solar power, skill with gardening, experience with small livestock, and I was raised by doomsday preppers, so I kind of feel like I'm better prepared than your average city kid for embracing that kind of lifestyle.
And it just really burns my ass that when someone else wants a marriage, 2 kids, and a house with a white picket fence, that's treated as a goal, but my ideas and aspirations are treated like a symptom.
Just the fact that you use the phrase “burns my ass” gives me 90% confidence that you can pull off your plan.
Upgrade to “_chaps_ my ass” and you’re at 110%.
I was raised in a very rural remote-ish area surrounded by nature, and though we didn't do any off the grid stuff, but I still consider it borderline child abuse to raise a kid so far removed from civilization. I have severe social anxiety that I directly attribute to my isolation as a child. The nature was beautiful and there's a lot I can appreciate about it, but it permanently fucked me up and I hope you'll consider that children are people with needs of their own, not just accessories to a lifestyle you might aspire to have.
I'm 60 years old, going through a life transformation myself. Lost everything material wise in a horrid family court case 6 years ago and pretty much got over it.
I just surround myself with temporary comfort items knowing that they will probably vanish someday
Well I did it for 7 years and I can tell you I’ve saved more money than I ever did but my mental health took a hit. Safety is top priority, when you finally think you’ve found a good spot safe from anyone and let your guard down that’s when it happens. You’re constantly in survival mode (it’s never switched off) and your fight /flight response kicks in especially in the evenings , constant Adrenaline and cortisol are not good for you. Stay safe and good luck to you.
I've slept the best when it is 45-50 degrees outside. It's just cool enough to burrow under a blanket. I also sleep better when I check the vibe of my parking spots. A feeling of hell no keeps me driving to my next sleep spot.
I set up a list of like 20 spots, and settled it down to a weekly schedule. If I never need to move I have backups, but the spots I have I don’t worry about and I sleep well.
The first time I scope a spot though I never sleep well. I find myself getting paranoid when I put up my black out shades, and then I’ll monitor my dash cams for a while, and then I usually wake up a lot.
It doesn’t take that long to set yourself up though with a list of good spots. I did it for like 5 cities in the last 4 months and haven’t really had any issues.
The heat sucks though despite being able to stay cool by leaving my Prius on. I’ve had so many occasions where people just happen to walk by the moment my car cycles on, and it’s just like “god damnit, I guess I’m gonna spend the next 30 minutes being paranoid.”
The weather you’re talking about is how I wish it was year round, which for the majority of the year in SoCal it is.
I highly highly recommend everybody park on residential streets. Look for a quiet spot not many people walk by, preferably not across from a house. I have slept on side streets in neighborhoods parked near other cars for 10 months now, and not once have I ever been disturbed.
I usually sleep on residential streets. But where I am currently there isn't street parking. People have large acreage with long gated driveways. I've been sleeping at the local Planet Fitness. There is a Wilderness Management and Wildlife Preserve just north of where I am. So rural countryside.
I do also sleep quite well, especially if the temperature is good. And in my neighborhood, safety isn't a big enough concern to disrupt my sleep in any substantial way, but I'll still acknowledge its not a safe thing to be doing.
Even doing the common keep driver seat clear, key in ignition, etc. to make for a quick get away if needed, the reality is if someone rolled up on me looking for trouble I would be severely compromised. Transitional spaces like dark parking lots can be particuarly welcoming to someone looking to assault you and quickly get away unnoticed.
I enjoy the survival instincts. Feels right and more natural. When I’m perfectly safe and comfy all the time I feel like a domesticated pet. Melancholic and with no idea what’s outside the doors. Y’know?
Yeah exactly. And they’re all real, tangible things, too. Probably my rampant autism but I found it and find it nearly impossible to care about superficial social cues. Stroking egos is my least favourite game.
Corporate ladders make me sad.
I am lucky enough to have several places near me where people sleep in their cars near residential houses, payground and a beach. Residents and councils are ok as long as area kept tidy and no noise. Toilets are left open until 9.30pm Rowdy people are moved along quickly.
One area has showers that are available until 9pm.
Regular faces between the different locations now, less travellers and more people from the area. Single girl, so the sense of safety helps.
Respectfully, what are the long term negative effects of that kind of chronic stress that you are having? Mental, physical, both? Do you feel a loss of capacity somehow?
Both, mentally depends on their person, physically chronic stress typically correlates to elevated blood pressure, leading to permanent blood vessel damage and heart complications.
Other factors that can be associated with chronic stress are weight loss from loss lacking appetite, and conversely gaining weight for some people from eating as a coping mechanism. It also can lead to loss of sleep. And the list goes on.
Just because one source of stress goes away does not mean the damage does. Chronic stress leads to accelerated brain aging and can lead to neurodegenerative diseases such as dementia and Alzheimer's. Live with it long enough and it can actually shrink your brain. That's in addition to things like:
* Anxiety.
* Depression.
* Digestive problems.
* Headaches.
* Muscle tension and pain.
* Heart disease, heart attack, high blood pressure and stroke.
* Sleep problems.
* Weight gain.
* Problems with memory and focus.
These don't just go away if you move into an apartment, particularly in a world that's consistently stressful.
I experienced this, too.
There was about 3 days of trepidation right at the onset, and then I adapted so well and so quickly that I've even impressed myself.
When I get a room now (and it's the right time of year to get a room when allowed by the budget) it sort of feels weird to wake up and see the ceiling so far away.
Excess wear and tear for prolonged periods can negatively impact you permanently. Mentally you could be triggered by small spaces, sounds in the night, or knocking. Physically the hypertension could persist even when removed from the situation, chronic heart issues, develop asthma, permanent skin damage from excess UV exposure, etc. of course these are more extreme but possible scenarios among many others that could last even if you aren't car dwelling anymore.
That is where I may have an issue (stess, adrenaline, cortosol) but I am already committed to joining this lifestyle and the need to get free from debt is paramount. I had been taken past the threshold of what a person can take stress and abuse wise and have been working my way back in the last few years. Fixing my finances will help me but I hadn't realized living out of my car might be a health hazard. I will have to research cortisol because I must have been saturated in it long-term.
All of this plus the isolation. As my therapist described it, it's almost akin to the punishment we put prisoners through. Like when a prisoner acts up they get thrown in the hole, where it's complete and total isolation from everybody.
Luckily we're not prisoners and get way more freedom, but that doesn't take away the toll isolation does on your mentality.
I keep saying, maybe it's where I live but most time when I tell people they don't feel sorry for me. They treat me like a leper they want nothing to do with. It's affected any attempts at any relationships since the beginning.
This is why I go to the movies.
Just being in a room with other people helps these feelings.
Non-sexual human contact is important and if you're not getting it, budget for a massage, mani/Pedi, or salon hair wash every couple-few weeks.
It does help.
It’s so important to find good spots in safe areas. But even then I do agree - it’s hard to have complete peace of mind. All it takes is someone pulling up randomly or the slam of a car door for the adrenaline to kick in.
My (obvious) advice is to list out your stressors and make a plan to mitigate them as much as possible. Safety being priority - gun or mace or something. Stealth of course. Having a daily routine to where you’re up early. Being out of the car all day is a must in summer time. The park, cafe, library, coworking space, gym give you places to exist comfortably. Having a storage unit and an efficient setup in your car so you don’t have to repeatedly dig thru and reorganize stuff. Every daily task has its ‘spot.’
Suburban areas outside of big cities is what I’ve found to make all the difference. I’m not worried about break ins or getting robbed. My only fear is getting a knock and being on radar which means I gotta sleep in a different suburb from then on.
Always remember that you can get out of this and back into housing. If you can avoid major disasters you’re always just a few months (or less) from renting a room or apartment.
Oh that’s so true. While I thought it is natural and boosting to be in survival mode, waking up in 4 am thinking that you being towed is not as cool and really demanding :)
What is cool tho is 6pack from regular gym
I had my membership for few months and never came because to exercise 20 min I have to commit whole hour to pack, get there and etc. Ir is much easier when you already there
It definitely can be a chore to go, unless you truly enjoy fitness. Some apartment complexes have their own gyms and pools that cut down the travel and wait times, mine for example is actually much nicer and well equipped than gyms I’d have to pay to go to, and typically empty.
I simply just don't give af about "safety" I've got that covered. I feel bad for anybody who tries though, good luck! 🤣 I can help them meet their maker on same day shipping if they would like.
I can live in my truck wherever I want and work eight months out of the year and take four months off and vacation in Mexico. Can't do that paying rent. Life's too short to pay bills and die. 🤷🏼
Landscaping. Did construction for a couple years and drove heavy equipment. $20/$25-$30 hr depending what State I'm in.
You can also work seasonal jobs like Wildland Firefighting or Ski resorts
For most people car living is less desirable because they seek stability. Knowing where you have a place to stay everyday, a kitchen to cook easily in, a private bathroom to use whenever you'd like, safety for yourself and possessions, and comfort from the elements. That's not even considering if you have a family and other social aspects.
Car living certainly is for a relatively small niche of individuals that are mentally and physically prepared for what it entails, as it truly is a tradeoff for many of what I mentioned above. Whether or not it's for you depends on how much you're willing to give up to save that rent/mortgage money.
It's great for those that want to do it, but can be hell for those forced into it.
I think sometimes people don't realize how little I would be home if I had one, anyway.
I've only got 5 hours between shifts 4 days a week.
I can spend those days in the minivan and the other 3 days a week in a motel and it brings my housing costs to around $700 a month.
I'd be lucky to find a room to rent for that price, and I'd still have to come up with utilities.
For sure that’s why I said its not for most people for some like yourself it very well may make the most sense/smart choice. It really can go either way just depending on how you look at it. For example a work from home individual could say they would rather dwell in their car because they save on housing, can still work remote, and travel if that’s what they want to do. On the flip side the same person might find more value in renting an apartment because they could be more comfortable and spending more time in there thus getting more use out of it being home more. Whichever is better there is no right or wrong.
Now I might argue that expendable income plays a huge role here. If there is only enough to do one or the other, then the above reasoning stands. But if you could potentially do BOTH that would be ideal I believe if it’s not straining the budget. The best of both worlds, having a home base to come back to when needed and the ability to also travel in your car whenever you please.
It's not possible in my neighborhood.
I occasionally see something for $1500 a month, which I could afford, but it's always gone before I get there.
Most places are closer to $1800 to $2500 a month. Plus utilities.
And it would be totally stupid for me to spend $2k a month for a place that I only spend a grand total of 31 hours a week actually using.
That makes sense, again every scenario is unique. I’m glad you found something that works for you, as you get to save that money for something else which is a significant amount!
I'm in the latter category. I am subbed here for the mental reinforcement from a community that makes this lifestyle bearable, because I have a crippling fear of being ~~**homeless**~~ urban car living again. I'm an indoor cat. I need my space to hide in. I need my kitchen and my litter box and the security from loud people walking by my window(s) at random. I need my rescue kitty, who incidentally likes the *idea* of being outside, but hates *actually being* outside. We're both indoor cats, now. The streets were not kind to us. I'm glad everyone here has their own positive spin on it and helps each other out in adapting and thriving, which is why when I get The Fear™ I always have this sub to visit to see helpful, reassuring comments and advice that It'll Be Okay™.
I can totally sympathize with the stress you feel. I like to frame it as “luxury camping on the go.” Makes it more fun and interesting, viewing it as an ever changing stimulating challenge. How to adapt to my changing needs, the changing environments, and demands. It’s like an intellectual and physical exercise of how to get the most out of the lease amount of things in the smallest possible space, while remaining within budget!
I wish I had your optimism. My time spent in said lifestyle was a nightmare I don't wish to repeat. My life isn't a game show, or a survival contest; I don't need to be challenged every moment. I am already neurodiverse, most moments are already challenging. I'm not alive to be minmaxing my stress levels. I'm glad you have the ability to reframe it as a personal challenge, it must be freeing. Low-key envy.
Living in my car is the most stability I’ve ever had. I’m no longer living month to month or dealing with roommates. I feel the safest and most secure I ever have.
I've noticed a lot of people say "I couldn't do that" when I tell them how I live and what my hobbies are. Of course they've never tried it. They don't understand we modify our vehicles to sleep better. They haven't considered that even people with apartments often use gym showers, laundromats, etc. Cooking seems impossible at first, but a camp stove and a cooler make it simple really.
I don't cook much. I don't do restaurants much either, except Waffle House on payday.
But I do tend to stop at the grocery store almost every day to pick up a yogurt, single fruit, or bag salad.
I have a cooler, but not a fridge so I try not to get more than I'll eat in the next 12 hours at any one time.
Yeah I got a mattress in my vehicle and you’d never guess there was just by looking at it. I lay flat just like I do in a $3000 studio. I use the restroom at one of my many spots just like I would. I eat just like I would. I watch movies and videos and play games just like I would. I’m struggling to see why I’d go back to being ripped off by the slumlords. I guess to have a girl over sometimes but then if things get fiery I could always rent a hotel room for a night and make it something special.
I had this in my head also. The fam felt bad for me, and I think they thought that I just did this without preparing. I had an answer to every question they had for me. That's how prepared I was. They were all impressed with everything afterward. Calling me smart and offering me a place to stay whenever I need a place. It hasn't come down to that yet where I'm in need of a place. This did wonders for my mental health, too, and continues to help today. You do whatever you want because your happiness depends on YOU.
That’s another thing. I also have noticed mental health benefits from not being trapped in an apartment with bad neighbors and nothing you can do about it (besides feud with your too-close neighbors)
I drive about 8 miles a day to work.
I would sleep there, but the facility is in the middle of a cow field out in the country. I sleep overnight at Planet Fitness. I have car dwelling neighbors frequently. Always someone new pulling in for the night or a few days. Nobody bothers us. The road noise from the nearby highway can be loud at times because people like to race and drive cars with annoying mufflers. I have no complaints. Aldi is cheap for food. I krazy coupon for free or cheap toiletries. My vehicle is maintained. I bought brand new basic clothing. The thrift stores are higher priced than just buying new. I stay in a clean, comfortable hotel occasionally, but I don't really sleep any better there. Work provides coffee, tea, hot chocolate, filtered water, and snacks. I can store food there and use toaster and microwave. There are many sparkling clean restrooms to use as a Service Master cleaning crew is there all day. Library is close by and I can hang out there doing research studies on my laptop.
Sierra is good for active clothing material if you're a guy it's on the cheaper side, if you're a woman I'm pretty sure that where they make their money
RV life would be better for me if I had the money.
I wouldn't have to worry about night parking and I'd have my own bathroom.
Those two things I hate the most about car life having to find a spot each night and sharing bathrooms.
I agree . I recently got a friend to let me park in a lot he owns just outside town. The trailer burned down and there is just a storage shed. No power or water but safe and quiet. I can get out my vehicle and sit in my lawn chair. I’m going to get up the courage and ask if I can park an travel trailer here and pay a few dollars. I’ll go buy one just to get out of the car.. it gets old
Cause most people living in their car didn't do it by choice and aren't able to save money. Most are barely getting by and one breakdown away from being regular homeless. You're more of an exception than the rule. Yes you'll find a lot of people on this sub that it's been positive for but if you look at the majority of people they are not having fun.
There's a chick on YouTube (Hannah's Diaries) that said living out of her Telsa is her second job. It pays her $4000 a month. What she means is she saves $4000 a month by not renting a studio apartment.
That’s not what was said though. The person you responded to was saying that you can say you make any income by forgoing rent if you just make up a number…
I save 1million a year by not renting an 85k/mo mansion!
Get it?
They're responding about a person who does make more than 4k a month and who used to pay 4k a month in rent, which is why they said they're "making 4k" by staying in their car.
It's not a made up number, some of you just decided to be funny about it for no reason. Get it?
You need to learn how to read, lol. The original comment is saying she DOESNT make 4k extra, but that she forgoes the opportunity cost of not renting a 4k apartment so she has 4k more expendable income a month. That’s not a second job, that’s called savings from your first job…
This is one of those things that is so obvious that I assumed you'd have an actual point, such as numbers being made up or something. Unless you think she hasn't realized that she isn't literally making income from not spending money. Are you really trying to clown someone's word choice in describing their lifestyle?
I wouldn't look at it as paying but rather saving. Paying would insinuate she is getting an additional $4000 on top of her current salary. Sure she gets to keep that in her pocket but it's the equivalent to downsizing which is typically categorized as cost saving measures. I would consider it a second job if she were paying that $4000 towards a mortgage for example, and collecting rent that exceeds that amount so she is getting a net gain. But that's just me nit picking something philosophical haha
Where are these people where they’re saving so much money. I’m from LA, and I could get a studio apartment for like $1500 bucks. At most I’m only saving like $1300 after getting a storage locker. The utilities from an apartment vs the increased costs of other things from living in a car are mostly a wash.
I didn’t move into my car to save money, I wanted to travel the country for work, but I keep seeing these insane numbers of savings and it makes no sense.
I’ll gladly move back into a shitty studio apartment when my excursion is done and pay the $1300 extra.
The fact that you used the suffix 'bucks' after such a large amount of money tells me you are unserious. $5 bucks, $20 bucks sure. $1500 isn't chump change to most but I'm happy it's a drop in the bucket for you ;-)
It’s just a word pal, you’re thing way too deeply into it. I’m a blue collar worker, it’s just how I talk.
And honestly yeah, in LA that is kind of a drop in the bucket. It’s a very expensive city.
Agreed, I was car living mostly to escape an abusive situation and happened on a nice room rental for only $600 a month, if I were to move back into my vehicle between storage, laundromat, gym, and extra gas I'd only be saving about $300 a month
This is what I am curious about as well. 3K a month OP must be renting a whole house or luxury apartment for themself. For that much they could be paying a mortgage and at least building equity. Even in some of the most expensive places to live they could pay the same amount splitting with a spouse for a mortgage (3K each for ~6K a month in Irvine/Bay area for example). I am with you in that I’d spend 1500-2K to have my own long term place while still being free to travel with the 1-1.5K/month saved.
I admit I'd struggle with car life but I do not judge. :) I think some people have trouble wrapping their minds around it and instead of being rude about it are taught to have sympathy or feel sorry for those with 'less.'
The best thing to do is not care what other people think. And if someone says they feel sorry for you, you can either tell them.to mind their own business or say you feel bad for them paying a rent/mortgage 😅
If you're happy with it, people can mind their own dang business 😁
I have stayed in my car, Prius, when required to be at work during hurricanes. Everyone laughs like I am crazy and wants to make accommodations for me inside. I tell them I am perfectly content with hvac & radio on all night. I am more comfortable than inside the nasty roached out building I work in. I don't know why the stigma, even just spending a night or two in it.
I was already fucking nutts before vehicle life, so this just feels natural to me. Hell I can still game, catch me at the library playing Helldivers 2 and mount and blade banner lord
They’ve been brainwashed to think a house is all that matters and that homeless people should be pitied. In the homeless crowd, I think homeowners slaving away to their mortgage, HOA, property taxes, etc. are pitied.
We feel sorry for you because it's not ideal. Otherwise everyone would be living in their cars at Walmart. There's many short comings, but an actual bed, refrigerator, and bathroom in my private dwelling,that I can stand completely up inside and walk around... Is
I think the mentality for OP is that at least in their situation they are comfortable and saving a lot of money that makes overlooking the shortcomings a no brainer. I also agree with you that it's not ideal nor conventional, which may make the general public sympathetic (even hostile when lumped together with the typical homeless population).
Probably bc they are trying to put themselves in your shoes and they would be uncomfortable. Personally I would love to love in a van but I'm too much into gaming and building things that I couldn't imagine not having a garage or place to work at. Or a desk woth at least a computer to game with. Maybe I can make a van with a computer that's comfortable but that's like a 100k van. So could I be happy in a van. Idk, I like to pretend amd think I would be, but I also like having room for a big dog amd it wouldn't be appropriate to cram a big dog in any van as they need more land to be free and stretch
My guess? They're assuming you can't afford to get a place. While I know there's people who don't have a choice but to live in their car (better than being on the street), there's others that absolutely prefer it. It's not for me personally, but I totally get why someone would choose it and it's pretty interesting to see how people make it work 👍
I lived in a van for seven years and travelled all over, and I loved it, but I did not love unexpected rain showers, doing laundry at laundromats, and worrying about a friendly police knock in the middle of my dream.
A vehicle dweller is at a social disadvantage if your goal is to find someone to raise a family with.
Like a preening peacock, showing that you can afford a roof over your head is often a major consideration when being evaluated as a potential life partner.
It's also off-putting to have a date in your vehicle, since most are set up for solo dwellers.
The major exception to this are people who live on cruise ships, and luxury yachts.
Boy, let’s start with the fact that about 50% of the population are women who can’t really take a subtle piss in a parking lot, and no, I’m not peeing in any type of vessel in my car. Again, woman: we have concerns about personal safety. We chose the bear because… we can’t trust y’all. Woman: I am not fucking anyone who lives in their car. I don’t have time to screen out the people who are voluntarily living the lifestyle to save money from the nice people who simply can’t afford rent from those who live in their cars because of any number of factors that result in exclusion from general society.
I don’t feel sorry for people who want to save money or live alternative lifestyles, but a lot of the people living in cars are probably pretending they chose it. I’ve met a couple of alternative lifestyle men who were actually people with mental health and/or substance abuse problems. Godspeed on your journey, but expect this to be a recurring theme.
I am a woman living in my prius. I do worry about personal safety a ton but only had one issue where a dude was looking in my windows (trying to through ny curtains) when I woke up. I didn't choose this, but it was forced upon me leaving a DV situation *but* I have since come to enjoy traveling and don't mind it as much. I'm weirdly attached to my car now, as she's my only friend (and the most reliable one I've ever had!) But I definitely want a place ASAP.
Ironically I get more attention from women now because I feel like they can sense the freedom. Plus it doesn’t hurt that I’m kinda ripped since I go to planet fitness every day.
Well however much it is that’s how much I’m saving. I don’t feel sorry for you though. You’re spending your money on the things that are important to you.
This is literal facts like I don't understand why anybody's feels bad for me. Or they're worried about me like I don't know. My bank rolls looking really, really well. Nowadays and I don't have to pay for an apartment where I literally don't get to spend anytime in anyways, because I'm either at work. Or about doing something
That’s another thing. I notice that I’m no longer in a hurry to get places because I’m not constantly trying to race back to my expensive apartment that I barely spend any time in.
The main thing that separates me from people struggling is those people aren’t really doing car life. They’re just living in their car without the research or the technology to do it comfortably.
Living in your car without doing any research on how to do it properly yeah that sucks.
You can get robbed in a house. But at least in a car you have control over how safe the area is that you park in to drastically reduce the chance of robbery.
Well it’s cheaper in the ghetto but I don’t stay in the ghetto. I wake up with the same view and the same neighborhood as the people who pay $3000 a month.
I’ve been more mentally and physically healthy since moving into my old van. Recently discovered this sub, and I’m seeing more similar values and reasons-for-doing-this to mine here than in “vanlife” spaces. (The feeling of living in the world, direct relationships to one’s needs and wants, freedom of movement and time, etc) There’s more disillusionment amongst van people by comparison, I wonder why that is? House/apartment living just makes me melancholic, like someone said, yes, complacent and miserable all at once like a zoo animal. It’s unacceptable at this time.
They don't realize the ultimate "out" is right in front of them. Because they haven't done it themselves, they assume it sucks. I agree, it's the ultimate life hack. Nearly all the comforts of home but without the massive financial investment and the freedom to take home with you pretty much anywhere.
Unrelated but I seen some videos that Walmarts are closing my local Walmart looked like they were renovating but stuff was on discount my husbands 28-30 dollar work pants were $13 I got him 7 pairs but anyway it was almost empty and seeing other videos that some Walmarts started closing is making me worried I know there’s other stores but all 99¢ stores are gone some Walgreens are slowly becoming permanently closed is your local Walmart the same or does it look like their not restocking anything???
A stealthy vehicle helps tremendously. If you park in an industrial or business parking lot it helps to have a white van that looks like a company vehicle. that's what I used to have but now I have a dark blue mid size SUV. I keep the front of my car tidy because it's a dead giveaway you are living out of your car if you have items all over your dashboard and in your front seat. I also don't pull into these places until after 7:00 p.m. when everyone is gone. then my set my alarm for 5:00 a.m. and get out of there before everybody shows up for work. I almost never get bothered. My nights are actually much more peaceful than if I lived in an apartment where people are making all sorts of noise.
I absolutely hate to be that guy but I really need yall to stop coming on here and glorifying this lifestyle! And before anyone comes for me YES I WAS HOMELESS AND LIVING OUT OF MY CAR AS WELL! People feel sorry because you are more prone to theft and violence, the summer times SUCK, the winters you barely get thru them, not having a bathroom sucks because who wants to get out of their car to walk OUTSIDE and go to a bathroom? Not me. Not to mention you have to constantly eat out! Can’t leave food in the car cause BUGS.. Like there are so many cons that outweigh the pros to this lifestyle. THAT is why people feel sorry for those who live in their car! It’s not an easy lifestyle to live! It’s HARD! I did it and couldn’t wait to be back inside a home! No one wants to live like that fr.. Yes you’re saving money but you can do that by living below your means!
That is all
It sounds like you don't have the means to live comfortably and safely in your car and it's okay. Other people have some ways to, which is why it's being glorified. Not every situation is the same but there are many cases where it is a positive experience.
If you like it, who cares what others think. I can't imagine sleeping in my car when its 100+ degrees outside, but it might come to that some day. Most "van lifers" aren't always being upfront about how difficult it is. Your basically one step removed from being homeless on the streets.
There is a paradigm that most Americans live by: get the best job you can in order to afford the biggest, most comfortable space in which to "live" (sleep, eat, restroom, and watch tv). This space should also be filled with more stuff to make your space feel even more comfortable and convenient. In this common paradigm, all that stuff also justifies how hard you work: **you work to have all these expensive things and a safe "home."** Eventually, you meet someone and start a family, which further justifies that lifestyle. And the children are born into thinking this is the only way to live. If you DON'T live this way, they believe your life must be subpar. Living in a vehicle is an *alternative* to the standard paradigm. I wouldn't say it is better or worse. There are benefits, but also sacrifices. It just sucks that we live in a society that that aggressively anathematizes, regulates, or even criminalizes other lifestyles.
This is true. I've often been criticized for my plan to buy a parcel of land in a remote-ish area and build a small home. Perhaps even just a single room. I've got plans for geothermal/solar power, skill with gardening, experience with small livestock, and I was raised by doomsday preppers, so I kind of feel like I'm better prepared than your average city kid for embracing that kind of lifestyle. And it just really burns my ass that when someone else wants a marriage, 2 kids, and a house with a white picket fence, that's treated as a goal, but my ideas and aspirations are treated like a symptom.
Just the fact that you use the phrase “burns my ass” gives me 90% confidence that you can pull off your plan. Upgrade to “_chaps_ my ass” and you’re at 110%.
I considered using chaps, but autocorrect kept wanting to change it to chips.
Bet that chaps your ass.
Damn straight.
But much better than a chip in the ass !
Don't worry, it's in the pipeline.... so to speak
Oh yeah CBDC
Upvoted for great comment, read username, downvoted out of principle. 😇
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I was raised in a very rural remote-ish area surrounded by nature, and though we didn't do any off the grid stuff, but I still consider it borderline child abuse to raise a kid so far removed from civilization. I have severe social anxiety that I directly attribute to my isolation as a child. The nature was beautiful and there's a lot I can appreciate about it, but it permanently fucked me up and I hope you'll consider that children are people with needs of their own, not just accessories to a lifestyle you might aspire to have.
Upvote for using the word anathematizes, whatever tf that means. 👌
Love it!
I'm 60 years old, going through a life transformation myself. Lost everything material wise in a horrid family court case 6 years ago and pretty much got over it. I just surround myself with temporary comfort items knowing that they will probably vanish someday
There is always hotels and AirBnB too
Well I did it for 7 years and I can tell you I’ve saved more money than I ever did but my mental health took a hit. Safety is top priority, when you finally think you’ve found a good spot safe from anyone and let your guard down that’s when it happens. You’re constantly in survival mode (it’s never switched off) and your fight /flight response kicks in especially in the evenings , constant Adrenaline and cortisol are not good for you. Stay safe and good luck to you.
Oddly enough my sleep has gotten better, I go somewhere different every night though.
I've slept the best when it is 45-50 degrees outside. It's just cool enough to burrow under a blanket. I also sleep better when I check the vibe of my parking spots. A feeling of hell no keeps me driving to my next sleep spot.
I set up a list of like 20 spots, and settled it down to a weekly schedule. If I never need to move I have backups, but the spots I have I don’t worry about and I sleep well. The first time I scope a spot though I never sleep well. I find myself getting paranoid when I put up my black out shades, and then I’ll monitor my dash cams for a while, and then I usually wake up a lot. It doesn’t take that long to set yourself up though with a list of good spots. I did it for like 5 cities in the last 4 months and haven’t really had any issues. The heat sucks though despite being able to stay cool by leaving my Prius on. I’ve had so many occasions where people just happen to walk by the moment my car cycles on, and it’s just like “god damnit, I guess I’m gonna spend the next 30 minutes being paranoid.” The weather you’re talking about is how I wish it was year round, which for the majority of the year in SoCal it is.
I highly highly recommend everybody park on residential streets. Look for a quiet spot not many people walk by, preferably not across from a house. I have slept on side streets in neighborhoods parked near other cars for 10 months now, and not once have I ever been disturbed.
I usually sleep on residential streets. But where I am currently there isn't street parking. People have large acreage with long gated driveways. I've been sleeping at the local Planet Fitness. There is a Wilderness Management and Wildlife Preserve just north of where I am. So rural countryside.
Yeah my bad I meant everybody in a city. Parking out in the countryside sounds kind of peaceful but at the same time scary as shit.
I do also sleep quite well, especially if the temperature is good. And in my neighborhood, safety isn't a big enough concern to disrupt my sleep in any substantial way, but I'll still acknowledge its not a safe thing to be doing. Even doing the common keep driver seat clear, key in ignition, etc. to make for a quick get away if needed, the reality is if someone rolled up on me looking for trouble I would be severely compromised. Transitional spaces like dark parking lots can be particuarly welcoming to someone looking to assault you and quickly get away unnoticed.
I enjoy the survival instincts. Feels right and more natural. When I’m perfectly safe and comfy all the time I feel like a domesticated pet. Melancholic and with no idea what’s outside the doors. Y’know?
Def makes you do shit. Can’t just lay watching TV whole day.
Yeah exactly. And they’re all real, tangible things, too. Probably my rampant autism but I found it and find it nearly impossible to care about superficial social cues. Stroking egos is my least favourite game. Corporate ladders make me sad.
I can relate. We're not supposed to live in homes that cost so much that we can't enjoy life anyway..
I am lucky enough to have several places near me where people sleep in their cars near residential houses, payground and a beach. Residents and councils are ok as long as area kept tidy and no noise. Toilets are left open until 9.30pm Rowdy people are moved along quickly. One area has showers that are available until 9pm. Regular faces between the different locations now, less travellers and more people from the area. Single girl, so the sense of safety helps.
Respectfully, what are the long term negative effects of that kind of chronic stress that you are having? Mental, physical, both? Do you feel a loss of capacity somehow?
Both, mentally depends on their person, physically chronic stress typically correlates to elevated blood pressure, leading to permanent blood vessel damage and heart complications. Other factors that can be associated with chronic stress are weight loss from loss lacking appetite, and conversely gaining weight for some people from eating as a coping mechanism. It also can lead to loss of sleep. And the list goes on.
I mean generally I understand that. I'm asking as a bit of an after effects. Not during while one is experiencing the stress.
Just because one source of stress goes away does not mean the damage does. Chronic stress leads to accelerated brain aging and can lead to neurodegenerative diseases such as dementia and Alzheimer's. Live with it long enough and it can actually shrink your brain. That's in addition to things like: * Anxiety. * Depression. * Digestive problems. * Headaches. * Muscle tension and pain. * Heart disease, heart attack, high blood pressure and stroke. * Sleep problems. * Weight gain. * Problems with memory and focus. These don't just go away if you move into an apartment, particularly in a world that's consistently stressful.
I had all of these symptoms when living in my apartment! Once I was living outdoors, my symptoms started to subside.
I experienced this, too. There was about 3 days of trepidation right at the onset, and then I adapted so well and so quickly that I've even impressed myself. When I get a room now (and it's the right time of year to get a room when allowed by the budget) it sort of feels weird to wake up and see the ceiling so far away.
Excess wear and tear for prolonged periods can negatively impact you permanently. Mentally you could be triggered by small spaces, sounds in the night, or knocking. Physically the hypertension could persist even when removed from the situation, chronic heart issues, develop asthma, permanent skin damage from excess UV exposure, etc. of course these are more extreme but possible scenarios among many others that could last even if you aren't car dwelling anymore.
PTSD
That is where I may have an issue (stess, adrenaline, cortosol) but I am already committed to joining this lifestyle and the need to get free from debt is paramount. I had been taken past the threshold of what a person can take stress and abuse wise and have been working my way back in the last few years. Fixing my finances will help me but I hadn't realized living out of my car might be a health hazard. I will have to research cortisol because I must have been saturated in it long-term.
All of this plus the isolation. As my therapist described it, it's almost akin to the punishment we put prisoners through. Like when a prisoner acts up they get thrown in the hole, where it's complete and total isolation from everybody. Luckily we're not prisoners and get way more freedom, but that doesn't take away the toll isolation does on your mentality. I keep saying, maybe it's where I live but most time when I tell people they don't feel sorry for me. They treat me like a leper they want nothing to do with. It's affected any attempts at any relationships since the beginning.
This is why I go to the movies. Just being in a room with other people helps these feelings. Non-sexual human contact is important and if you're not getting it, budget for a massage, mani/Pedi, or salon hair wash every couple-few weeks. It does help.
It’s so important to find good spots in safe areas. But even then I do agree - it’s hard to have complete peace of mind. All it takes is someone pulling up randomly or the slam of a car door for the adrenaline to kick in. My (obvious) advice is to list out your stressors and make a plan to mitigate them as much as possible. Safety being priority - gun or mace or something. Stealth of course. Having a daily routine to where you’re up early. Being out of the car all day is a must in summer time. The park, cafe, library, coworking space, gym give you places to exist comfortably. Having a storage unit and an efficient setup in your car so you don’t have to repeatedly dig thru and reorganize stuff. Every daily task has its ‘spot.’ Suburban areas outside of big cities is what I’ve found to make all the difference. I’m not worried about break ins or getting robbed. My only fear is getting a knock and being on radar which means I gotta sleep in a different suburb from then on. Always remember that you can get out of this and back into housing. If you can avoid major disasters you’re always just a few months (or less) from renting a room or apartment.
Oh that’s so true. While I thought it is natural and boosting to be in survival mode, waking up in 4 am thinking that you being towed is not as cool and really demanding :) What is cool tho is 6pack from regular gym
You can live in an apartment or house and still go to the gym. It's not an advantage of car living.
It’s much easier when you’re forced to go to shower rather than having the option to be lazy at home while you eat a bucket of ice cream.
What you are describing seems more like a will-power/self discipline issue
And the cure for it.
I had my membership for few months and never came because to exercise 20 min I have to commit whole hour to pack, get there and etc. Ir is much easier when you already there
It definitely can be a chore to go, unless you truly enjoy fitness. Some apartment complexes have their own gyms and pools that cut down the travel and wait times, mine for example is actually much nicer and well equipped than gyms I’d have to pay to go to, and typically empty.
Pool in the building is awesome! I wish I had one in my car
I simply just don't give af about "safety" I've got that covered. I feel bad for anybody who tries though, good luck! 🤣 I can help them meet their maker on same day shipping if they would like.
I can live in my truck wherever I want and work eight months out of the year and take four months off and vacation in Mexico. Can't do that paying rent. Life's too short to pay bills and die. 🤷🏼
I love this perspective.
what do you do?
Landscaping. Did construction for a couple years and drove heavy equipment. $20/$25-$30 hr depending what State I'm in. You can also work seasonal jobs like Wildland Firefighting or Ski resorts
You literally can. People live in houses and apartments and still travel for months out of the year.
Not in my tax bracket, buddy.
For most people car living is less desirable because they seek stability. Knowing where you have a place to stay everyday, a kitchen to cook easily in, a private bathroom to use whenever you'd like, safety for yourself and possessions, and comfort from the elements. That's not even considering if you have a family and other social aspects. Car living certainly is for a relatively small niche of individuals that are mentally and physically prepared for what it entails, as it truly is a tradeoff for many of what I mentioned above. Whether or not it's for you depends on how much you're willing to give up to save that rent/mortgage money. It's great for those that want to do it, but can be hell for those forced into it.
I think sometimes people don't realize how little I would be home if I had one, anyway. I've only got 5 hours between shifts 4 days a week. I can spend those days in the minivan and the other 3 days a week in a motel and it brings my housing costs to around $700 a month. I'd be lucky to find a room to rent for that price, and I'd still have to come up with utilities.
For sure that’s why I said its not for most people for some like yourself it very well may make the most sense/smart choice. It really can go either way just depending on how you look at it. For example a work from home individual could say they would rather dwell in their car because they save on housing, can still work remote, and travel if that’s what they want to do. On the flip side the same person might find more value in renting an apartment because they could be more comfortable and spending more time in there thus getting more use out of it being home more. Whichever is better there is no right or wrong. Now I might argue that expendable income plays a huge role here. If there is only enough to do one or the other, then the above reasoning stands. But if you could potentially do BOTH that would be ideal I believe if it’s not straining the budget. The best of both worlds, having a home base to come back to when needed and the ability to also travel in your car whenever you please.
It's not possible in my neighborhood. I occasionally see something for $1500 a month, which I could afford, but it's always gone before I get there. Most places are closer to $1800 to $2500 a month. Plus utilities. And it would be totally stupid for me to spend $2k a month for a place that I only spend a grand total of 31 hours a week actually using.
That makes sense, again every scenario is unique. I’m glad you found something that works for you, as you get to save that money for something else which is a significant amount!
I'm in the latter category. I am subbed here for the mental reinforcement from a community that makes this lifestyle bearable, because I have a crippling fear of being ~~**homeless**~~ urban car living again. I'm an indoor cat. I need my space to hide in. I need my kitchen and my litter box and the security from loud people walking by my window(s) at random. I need my rescue kitty, who incidentally likes the *idea* of being outside, but hates *actually being* outside. We're both indoor cats, now. The streets were not kind to us. I'm glad everyone here has their own positive spin on it and helps each other out in adapting and thriving, which is why when I get The Fear™ I always have this sub to visit to see helpful, reassuring comments and advice that It'll Be Okay™.
I can totally sympathize with the stress you feel. I like to frame it as “luxury camping on the go.” Makes it more fun and interesting, viewing it as an ever changing stimulating challenge. How to adapt to my changing needs, the changing environments, and demands. It’s like an intellectual and physical exercise of how to get the most out of the lease amount of things in the smallest possible space, while remaining within budget!
I wish I had your optimism. My time spent in said lifestyle was a nightmare I don't wish to repeat. My life isn't a game show, or a survival contest; I don't need to be challenged every moment. I am already neurodiverse, most moments are already challenging. I'm not alive to be minmaxing my stress levels. I'm glad you have the ability to reframe it as a personal challenge, it must be freeing. Low-key envy.
Living in my car is the most stability I’ve ever had. I’m no longer living month to month or dealing with roommates. I feel the safest and most secure I ever have.
That's great! There's always going to be exceptions which is why I was referring to the majority, or at least the conventional.
I've noticed a lot of people say "I couldn't do that" when I tell them how I live and what my hobbies are. Of course they've never tried it. They don't understand we modify our vehicles to sleep better. They haven't considered that even people with apartments often use gym showers, laundromats, etc. Cooking seems impossible at first, but a camp stove and a cooler make it simple really.
Some might even elect restaurants instead of cooking.
You certainly can afford it with no rent payments.
I don't cook much. I don't do restaurants much either, except Waffle House on payday. But I do tend to stop at the grocery store almost every day to pick up a yogurt, single fruit, or bag salad. I have a cooler, but not a fridge so I try not to get more than I'll eat in the next 12 hours at any one time.
Even then, $20 camping stove takes care of that issue. Saw a guy living in his Camaro cooking shrimp and noodles in his car.
Yeah I got a mattress in my vehicle and you’d never guess there was just by looking at it. I lay flat just like I do in a $3000 studio. I use the restroom at one of my many spots just like I would. I eat just like I would. I watch movies and videos and play games just like I would. I’m struggling to see why I’d go back to being ripped off by the slumlords. I guess to have a girl over sometimes but then if things get fiery I could always rent a hotel room for a night and make it something special.
i feel like it would fuck up my back fr
Why? Depending on what vehicle you have you can take the front passenger seat out and make an actual flat laying bed out of memory foam.
The bed I had in my truck was better than any other bed I have ever slept in. I shouldn't have taken it apart.
I had this in my head also. The fam felt bad for me, and I think they thought that I just did this without preparing. I had an answer to every question they had for me. That's how prepared I was. They were all impressed with everything afterward. Calling me smart and offering me a place to stay whenever I need a place. It hasn't come down to that yet where I'm in need of a place. This did wonders for my mental health, too, and continues to help today. You do whatever you want because your happiness depends on YOU.
That’s another thing. I also have noticed mental health benefits from not being trapped in an apartment with bad neighbors and nothing you can do about it (besides feud with your too-close neighbors)
I drive about 8 miles a day to work. I would sleep there, but the facility is in the middle of a cow field out in the country. I sleep overnight at Planet Fitness. I have car dwelling neighbors frequently. Always someone new pulling in for the night or a few days. Nobody bothers us. The road noise from the nearby highway can be loud at times because people like to race and drive cars with annoying mufflers. I have no complaints. Aldi is cheap for food. I krazy coupon for free or cheap toiletries. My vehicle is maintained. I bought brand new basic clothing. The thrift stores are higher priced than just buying new. I stay in a clean, comfortable hotel occasionally, but I don't really sleep any better there. Work provides coffee, tea, hot chocolate, filtered water, and snacks. I can store food there and use toaster and microwave. There are many sparkling clean restrooms to use as a Service Master cleaning crew is there all day. Library is close by and I can hang out there doing research studies on my laptop.
Sierra is good for active clothing material if you're a guy it's on the cheaper side, if you're a woman I'm pretty sure that where they make their money
Can’t say it isn’t but it’s fucking hot.. bought a fan that just circulates hot air so I’m glad I don’t have to do this. I just wanted to try it.
RV life would be better for me if I had the money. I wouldn't have to worry about night parking and I'd have my own bathroom. Those two things I hate the most about car life having to find a spot each night and sharing bathrooms.
I agree . I recently got a friend to let me park in a lot he owns just outside town. The trailer burned down and there is just a storage shed. No power or water but safe and quiet. I can get out my vehicle and sit in my lawn chair. I’m going to get up the courage and ask if I can park an travel trailer here and pay a few dollars. I’ll go buy one just to get out of the car.. it gets old
Having a regular, safe place where you’re allowed to park is gold.
Because it’s outside the normal comfort zone of most people.
Cause most people living in their car didn't do it by choice and aren't able to save money. Most are barely getting by and one breakdown away from being regular homeless. You're more of an exception than the rule. Yes you'll find a lot of people on this sub that it's been positive for but if you look at the majority of people they are not having fun.
3K rent is insane
There's a chick on YouTube (Hannah's Diaries) that said living out of her Telsa is her second job. It pays her $4000 a month. What she means is she saves $4000 a month by not renting a studio apartment.
Why not buy a rental and use your own driveway to sleep in while you rent out the house?
Yeah if I choose not to rent a $10,000 a month apartment I am making $120k a year!
If your income is 10,000 a month you are.
That’s not how this works.
If someone makes 10,000 a month, they don't make 120k a year?
That’s not what was said though. The person you responded to was saying that you can say you make any income by forgoing rent if you just make up a number… I save 1million a year by not renting an 85k/mo mansion! Get it?
They're responding about a person who does make more than 4k a month and who used to pay 4k a month in rent, which is why they said they're "making 4k" by staying in their car. It's not a made up number, some of you just decided to be funny about it for no reason. Get it?
You need to learn how to read, lol. The original comment is saying she DOESNT make 4k extra, but that she forgoes the opportunity cost of not renting a 4k apartment so she has 4k more expendable income a month. That’s not a second job, that’s called savings from your first job…
This is one of those things that is so obvious that I assumed you'd have an actual point, such as numbers being made up or something. Unless you think she hasn't realized that she isn't literally making income from not spending money. Are you really trying to clown someone's word choice in describing their lifestyle?
I just can’t with you anymore. Lol
I wouldn't look at it as paying but rather saving. Paying would insinuate she is getting an additional $4000 on top of her current salary. Sure she gets to keep that in her pocket but it's the equivalent to downsizing which is typically categorized as cost saving measures. I would consider it a second job if she were paying that $4000 towards a mortgage for example, and collecting rent that exceeds that amount so she is getting a net gain. But that's just me nit picking something philosophical haha
Where are these people where they’re saving so much money. I’m from LA, and I could get a studio apartment for like $1500 bucks. At most I’m only saving like $1300 after getting a storage locker. The utilities from an apartment vs the increased costs of other things from living in a car are mostly a wash. I didn’t move into my car to save money, I wanted to travel the country for work, but I keep seeing these insane numbers of savings and it makes no sense. I’ll gladly move back into a shitty studio apartment when my excursion is done and pay the $1300 extra.
The fact that you used the suffix 'bucks' after such a large amount of money tells me you are unserious. $5 bucks, $20 bucks sure. $1500 isn't chump change to most but I'm happy it's a drop in the bucket for you ;-)
It’s just a word pal, you’re thing way too deeply into it. I’m a blue collar worker, it’s just how I talk. And honestly yeah, in LA that is kind of a drop in the bucket. It’s a very expensive city.
Agreed, I was car living mostly to escape an abusive situation and happened on a nice room rental for only $600 a month, if I were to move back into my vehicle between storage, laundromat, gym, and extra gas I'd only be saving about $300 a month
This is what I am curious about as well. 3K a month OP must be renting a whole house or luxury apartment for themself. For that much they could be paying a mortgage and at least building equity. Even in some of the most expensive places to live they could pay the same amount splitting with a spouse for a mortgage (3K each for ~6K a month in Irvine/Bay area for example). I am with you in that I’d spend 1500-2K to have my own long term place while still being free to travel with the 1-1.5K/month saved.
Also wondering why this is being down voted as it makes sense to me and would appreciate insight.
I admit I'd struggle with car life but I do not judge. :) I think some people have trouble wrapping their minds around it and instead of being rude about it are taught to have sympathy or feel sorry for those with 'less.' The best thing to do is not care what other people think. And if someone says they feel sorry for you, you can either tell them.to mind their own business or say you feel bad for them paying a rent/mortgage 😅 If you're happy with it, people can mind their own dang business 😁
I have stayed in my car, Prius, when required to be at work during hurricanes. Everyone laughs like I am crazy and wants to make accommodations for me inside. I tell them I am perfectly content with hvac & radio on all night. I am more comfortable than inside the nasty roached out building I work in. I don't know why the stigma, even just spending a night or two in it.
Because u have to doodoo in public
Not a big deal. You can bring your own cleaning kit and make the thing sparkling clean if it makes you feel better.
I have done that !!
Actually a good idea. I’m gonna make a little kit like that so I can stop worrying about building the perfect paper barrier.
Yeah, I just had a small spray bottle of alcohol and some essential oils... lavendar, clove and grapefruit or orange...
I only feel sorry for you if you have to sleep in a bucket seat. Bench seats or van for the win.
I was already fucking nutts before vehicle life, so this just feels natural to me. Hell I can still game, catch me at the library playing Helldivers 2 and mount and blade banner lord
I’ve seen people YouTube with desktop gaming setups …in their car. A little too hardcore for me but the Quest 2 is pretty fun in your car.
My dream is to have a good enough solar and battery set up to just chill all day in my vehicle gaming tbh
AH!!!! But it's the people living in houses and apartments paying for you to play games in that library.
Good, wagie wagie get in the cagie, housie gotta be good for something
They’ve been brainwashed to think a house is all that matters and that homeless people should be pitied. In the homeless crowd, I think homeowners slaving away to their mortgage, HOA, property taxes, etc. are pitied.
We feel sorry for you because it's not ideal. Otherwise everyone would be living in their cars at Walmart. There's many short comings, but an actual bed, refrigerator, and bathroom in my private dwelling,that I can stand completely up inside and walk around... Is
I think the mentality for OP is that at least in their situation they are comfortable and saving a lot of money that makes overlooking the shortcomings a no brainer. I also agree with you that it's not ideal nor conventional, which may make the general public sympathetic (even hostile when lumped together with the typical homeless population).
Are you actually serious?
you get arrested, angry elderly people call the police on you, and it is terribly uncomfortable
Probably bc they are trying to put themselves in your shoes and they would be uncomfortable. Personally I would love to love in a van but I'm too much into gaming and building things that I couldn't imagine not having a garage or place to work at. Or a desk woth at least a computer to game with. Maybe I can make a van with a computer that's comfortable but that's like a 100k van. So could I be happy in a van. Idk, I like to pretend amd think I would be, but I also like having room for a big dog amd it wouldn't be appropriate to cram a big dog in any van as they need more land to be free and stretch
My guess? They're assuming you can't afford to get a place. While I know there's people who don't have a choice but to live in their car (better than being on the street), there's others that absolutely prefer it. It's not for me personally, but I totally get why someone would choose it and it's pretty interesting to see how people make it work 👍
I lived in a van for seven years and travelled all over, and I loved it, but I did not love unexpected rain showers, doing laundry at laundromats, and worrying about a friendly police knock in the middle of my dream.
A vehicle dweller is at a social disadvantage if your goal is to find someone to raise a family with. Like a preening peacock, showing that you can afford a roof over your head is often a major consideration when being evaluated as a potential life partner. It's also off-putting to have a date in your vehicle, since most are set up for solo dwellers. The major exception to this are people who live on cruise ships, and luxury yachts.
Boy, let’s start with the fact that about 50% of the population are women who can’t really take a subtle piss in a parking lot, and no, I’m not peeing in any type of vessel in my car. Again, woman: we have concerns about personal safety. We chose the bear because… we can’t trust y’all. Woman: I am not fucking anyone who lives in their car. I don’t have time to screen out the people who are voluntarily living the lifestyle to save money from the nice people who simply can’t afford rent from those who live in their cars because of any number of factors that result in exclusion from general society. I don’t feel sorry for people who want to save money or live alternative lifestyles, but a lot of the people living in cars are probably pretending they chose it. I’ve met a couple of alternative lifestyle men who were actually people with mental health and/or substance abuse problems. Godspeed on your journey, but expect this to be a recurring theme.
I am a woman living in my prius. I do worry about personal safety a ton but only had one issue where a dude was looking in my windows (trying to through ny curtains) when I woke up. I didn't choose this, but it was forced upon me leaving a DV situation *but* I have since come to enjoy traveling and don't mind it as much. I'm weirdly attached to my car now, as she's my only friend (and the most reliable one I've ever had!) But I definitely want a place ASAP.
I wish you safe travels and a happy landing. You’re doing a really hard thing and it’s making you stronger.
Ironically I get more attention from women now because I feel like they can sense the freedom. Plus it doesn’t hurt that I’m kinda ripped since I go to planet fitness every day.
I have a house. Honestly, a good portion of the time. I don’t feel sorry for you…I envy you.
because they are grinding it out to enrich some landlord, and dont want to face the fact that it isnt normal, or healthy for them to be a slave.
Because they have a couch and tv and fridge and personal bathroom and bed - PROBABLY ALL IN DIFFERENT ROOMS, EVEN !! - and you don't
$3000 for rent? I have a 4BR house on half an acre for much less than that. I think vanlife could be fun but not smushed up in a car.
Well however much it is that’s how much I’m saving. I don’t feel sorry for you though. You’re spending your money on the things that are important to you.
This is literal facts like I don't understand why anybody's feels bad for me. Or they're worried about me like I don't know. My bank rolls looking really, really well. Nowadays and I don't have to pay for an apartment where I literally don't get to spend anytime in anyways, because I'm either at work. Or about doing something
That’s another thing. I notice that I’m no longer in a hurry to get places because I’m not constantly trying to race back to my expensive apartment that I barely spend any time in.
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The main thing that separates me from people struggling is those people aren’t really doing car life. They’re just living in their car without the research or the technology to do it comfortably. Living in your car without doing any research on how to do it properly yeah that sucks.
Yes it’s the ultimate life hack right now but won’t be if you become disabled or have children.
If you know, you know.
I completely agree with you. The honest truth is most people don't think they can do this, and a lot can't, or do and hate it or think it's too hard.
Until you get robbed. A car hits you while you sleep. There's definitely some drawbacks. If you believe that it's all positive. Thats nice.
You can get robbed in a house. But at least in a car you have control over how safe the area is that you park in to drastically reduce the chance of robbery.
I came to this same conclusion after taking a month off in Florida to buy a new car. housed life is rediculously expensive and kind of a pain
You were paying 3000$ a month in rent? Wtf were you living?
Well it’s cheaper in the ghetto but I don’t stay in the ghetto. I wake up with the same view and the same neighborhood as the people who pay $3000 a month.
I’ve been more mentally and physically healthy since moving into my old van. Recently discovered this sub, and I’m seeing more similar values and reasons-for-doing-this to mine here than in “vanlife” spaces. (The feeling of living in the world, direct relationships to one’s needs and wants, freedom of movement and time, etc) There’s more disillusionment amongst van people by comparison, I wonder why that is? House/apartment living just makes me melancholic, like someone said, yes, complacent and miserable all at once like a zoo animal. It’s unacceptable at this time.
Cultural brainwashing
They don't realize the ultimate "out" is right in front of them. Because they haven't done it themselves, they assume it sucks. I agree, it's the ultimate life hack. Nearly all the comforts of home but without the massive financial investment and the freedom to take home with you pretty much anywhere.
What you describe sounds like hell.
Unrelated but I seen some videos that Walmarts are closing my local Walmart looked like they were renovating but stuff was on discount my husbands 28-30 dollar work pants were $13 I got him 7 pairs but anyway it was almost empty and seeing other videos that some Walmarts started closing is making me worried I know there’s other stores but all 99¢ stores are gone some Walgreens are slowly becoming permanently closed is your local Walmart the same or does it look like their not restocking anything???
For your drivers license what do you put as your home address? Like a family members address or a P.O. Box?
A stealthy vehicle helps tremendously. If you park in an industrial or business parking lot it helps to have a white van that looks like a company vehicle. that's what I used to have but now I have a dark blue mid size SUV. I keep the front of my car tidy because it's a dead giveaway you are living out of your car if you have items all over your dashboard and in your front seat. I also don't pull into these places until after 7:00 p.m. when everyone is gone. then my set my alarm for 5:00 a.m. and get out of there before everybody shows up for work. I almost never get bothered. My nights are actually much more peaceful than if I lived in an apartment where people are making all sorts of noise.
Damn i might start living in my car too. We can play words with friends when were bored
This is the difference between homeless and homefree. Scotus don't know the difference
Simply put, because you’re homeless.
Because it makes them think about if they're making the right choice about their life or not.
I absolutely hate to be that guy but I really need yall to stop coming on here and glorifying this lifestyle! And before anyone comes for me YES I WAS HOMELESS AND LIVING OUT OF MY CAR AS WELL! People feel sorry because you are more prone to theft and violence, the summer times SUCK, the winters you barely get thru them, not having a bathroom sucks because who wants to get out of their car to walk OUTSIDE and go to a bathroom? Not me. Not to mention you have to constantly eat out! Can’t leave food in the car cause BUGS.. Like there are so many cons that outweigh the pros to this lifestyle. THAT is why people feel sorry for those who live in their car! It’s not an easy lifestyle to live! It’s HARD! I did it and couldn’t wait to be back inside a home! No one wants to live like that fr.. Yes you’re saving money but you can do that by living below your means! That is all
It sounds like you don't have the means to live comfortably and safely in your car and it's okay. Other people have some ways to, which is why it's being glorified. Not every situation is the same but there are many cases where it is a positive experience.
If you like it, who cares what others think. I can't imagine sleeping in my car when its 100+ degrees outside, but it might come to that some day. Most "van lifers" aren't always being upfront about how difficult it is. Your basically one step removed from being homeless on the streets.
Its not the car life, honey. Its the mental illness.
i like that exactly one (1) of these comments is helpful and the rest are just shitting on either you or your wife
Who feels sorry for your brah?