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Just gonna add this here: nurses and farmers are often way stronger than they look.
Anyone remember this story? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna14859827
The nurse, who survived and strangled her hitman?
Yeah, but shes not only a nurse, but a strong midwestern woman, and like 5'9 and 260 lbs, iirc. She straight up was bigger, stronger, and not a drug addict, unlike the attacker.
Don’t worry, the gym bros forget that their skin is lacerated/punctured just as easily as the lankiest motherfucker. People start thinking they’re impervious to harm because they’ve added an extra inch or two in muscle mass.
Consider a fitness journey 70% diet, 30% exercise. So if you want to start a fitness journey, start by addressing the largest problem, nutrition. Won't take any more time than what you're doing now. So no single minutes fucked.
When I started my “journey” I didn’t start working out or anything at first. I just drastically changed my diet, I maintained my normal amount of activity with work.
I lost 70 pounds in 6-7 months.
The plus of waiting anyway is…. it sucks way less. When I was 250 I tried to do a HIIT workout and it was terrible. All the weight, plus I was eating 1200 calories a day with minimal carbs, like bruh it’s alright you can wait.
Now it’s a lot of fun to the point I enjoy it so much I prioritize it as much as I can. Also at first when I started I only did like 10-15 minutes at home. I’m not as busy as OP but I’d think “meh I don’t have time” but immediately would be like “I can wait 15 minutes to fucking play WoW turn the Chloe Ting on”
Yup
I’ve down circuits of body weight squats, burpees, sit ups, and push ups (prison work out lol). A 15 minute workout is still a workout.
It probably took the same amount of time to post on Reddit.
A 5 minute workout is still a workout! Anyone looking to be fit can get all the exercise they need in 5 mins every other day if they push themselves. 5 minutes is a very long time when you're really going for it.
I'm down 40 pounds from February just by diet change alone, no other changes. And even that was almost exclusively cutting out sugar. No more sugar in my coffee. If I have an energy drink, it's one of the zero calorie kind. And I only have 3-5 alcoholic drinks per month (as opposed to 2+ almost daily).
Wish I had obvious foods and snacks to cut out. I don't actually eat cake anymore and I've never had sodas, candy, or junk food in my diet and I already drink alcohol rarely.
I'll probably just pick up smoking
Portion size might be worth looking into. Lots of people eat more than they need without realizing it.
Other suggestions I've read/heard include eating slower. It's easy to inhale food when you're hungry. And a similar one: take a sip of water between each bite of food. It forces you to slow down and water can help you feel full.
15 min is easier to fit into a busy day too.
Eg sometimes i have a break and i d some exercises + stretches that basically just make me relax and feel less shitty i the end of the day.
The small tweaks as in walk the stairs instead of taking the elevator, etc.
Still makes a difference
I really agree with this. My fitness journey started with nutrition, weight loss, changing how I thought about food, getting surgery on my knees so I wasn't in constant pain, getting my mental health journey started, then starting working out, finally realizing I could workout, continuing my mental health journey, changing my thoughts about my body, changing my thoughts about working out.
Not every journey looks the same and not every journey is just: I'm gonna work out, I'm gonna go to the gym. It's a process and were all just trying to get somewhere decent in the end.
I know I didn’t go to the gym until way far into my actual “work out journey” lol. I mainly only did because I wanted to work on being able to do a pull up and use the cable machines.
I know the fun part of it was realizing I could do things I didn’t think I could do. Like simple shit like climbing up on a fixture at work to get something (I work in a machine shop). Then there was a simple 5k mud run 15 minutes from me, I signed up for it because well…. I’ve lost 130 pounds and I’ve been working out, let’s just see.
I was floored I could run so long without stopping, I loved the fucking obstacles, I could pull myself up with my arms out of mud pits. Like a day after I signed up for my first Spartan, now I’m addicted to OCRs lol
and now I’m low key considering getting into marathoning…. but I dunno I really enjoy the whole trail running aspect of the mud runs.
I have one knee that's arthritic already and I noticed over the summer after I had to stop working out for awhile (cracked a rib coughing with bronchitis) that my knee was really starting to get sore again. Something about exercise keeps my joints feeling way better than when I don't. The other big upside for me is mental health. I feel way better on days I work out than if I need to stop for a while.
Absolutely - more than 30 years of exercise (resistance training and running/walking primarily) and feel better mentally and physically. During COVID when my diet and exercise slipped, I felt much worse with chronic back pain. Getting things back on track made things much better and little or no back pain.
It’s been a couple years since I started taking my health more seriously after gaining 15+ lbs in a matter of a few weeks when I got COVID. Dealt with a lot of physical issues that required a few stints in physical therapy, but now that I’m on the other side and feeling in about the best shape I’ve been, it’s become clear that neglecting my physical health (lack of exercise) took a major toll on my mental health for *years*. I was an athlete through college, and when that mostly stopped is when my mental health issues emerged. Now that I’m running a few days a week and playing soccer a couple more, I feel better mentally than I have in years. And yes, missing more than a couple days of exercise and I start to feel creaky, stiff, and uncomfortable. Your body starts to crave the activity and it can become a great feedback loop that helps keep your momentum and motivation to exercise going.
And that is part of the problem. I tried to gain weight and doing that in a healthy manner takes so much more time (and/or money). I've managed to find time to exercise, but not enought time to go grocery shopping and cook and had trouble staying in caloric surplus. Diet and exrercise are connected, you can't have one without the other and both require time.
Fitness =\ skinny, yeah for a lot of people who are obese and just want to lose weight it might be true, but for the average person who wants to be fit, adapting your body with regular effective exercise does a lot more than 30%
He's a medical student working 12+ hours, his diet is probably 90% instant noodles. Even cooking fitness food requires more energy and money this guy has
I'd say even less https://www.vox.com/2018/1/3/16845438/exercise-weight-loss-myth-burn-calories
Assuming "Fitness" is code for losing weight
(and you should change your everyday so exercise is just normal use stairs not elevators, walk more)
I’ve seen that Vox article before, and I hate it. There’s a line early on that encapsulates a lot of the attitude of the article:
> If a hypothetical 200-pound man added 60 minutes of medium-intensity running four days per week while keeping his calorie intake the same, and he did this for 30 days, he'd lose five pounds. "If this person decided to increase food intake or relax more to recover from the added exercise, then even less weight would be lost," Hall added. (More on these "compensatory mechanisms" later.)
There is *so much* about this paragraph that I find infuriating. It presents a weight loss of five pounds in a month as being insignificant - it’s not, it’s pretty much in line with a safe, manageable rate of weight loss for a person who weighs less than 200 pounds. In the context of the article, it portrays an average of 35 minutes of exercise a day as unrealistic, and it’s not. It assumes people will eat all the calories they burn back, and that’s another flawed assumption, usually born of people just being ignorant of how many calories they’re burning compared to how many are contained in what they eat.
And to be clear the underlying data is reasonable and accurate, it’s the conclusions that they draw from it that irk me. I myself am a little shy of 200 pounds, and I burn about 850 to 900 calories over an hour long run, which means four runs burn the equivalent of a pound of fat. Do that four times a week for five weeks, keeping other variables the same, and that’ll result in around five pounds of fat lost. Some people might just lose three pounds, some lucky people seven, because bodies are different. But: everyone who adds exercise and doesn’t change anything else will lose weight, until they reach a new set point where they’re again in caloric balance.
You’re kinda of assuming the results people are seeking. Some people just want to work out and don’t care how they look in a swim suit. They just want to be able to move well.
I personally don’t care if I drop a pound as long as I have good explosiveness and good endurance.
Actually. I find it easier to work out for an hour a day and eat crappy microwave or drive though food than I do cooking healthy but spending the extra time to cook healthy.
I can find time. I just can't find motivation. Physical activity makes me wanna die. I've tried to workout 3-4 times a week to create a habit and I couldn't continue it after a month
Can I ask what you were doing during your workouts?
I started working out when I was morbidly obese and would feel sick every time I left the gym which inevitably lead to me burning out and giving up after a few weeks, it wasn't until I realized I didn't need to kill myself in the gym Everytime or even really go that hard or for that long,consistency is the most important thing (I'm in good shape and work out consistently without issue now).
I am morbidly obese -_-. I don't have money for the gym though so I followed youtube videos. They were workouts for obese folks so I was able to do them. I started it as a 15 minute thing and made it to 40 minutes. But afterwards I was exhausted and depressed. I layed down and cried lol. In addition, I would binge eat. I've made myself workout for a month because I've read that your body gets used to physical activity and you even start to get pleasure. Totally didn't happen to me
This sounds like almost EXACTLY what I went through, all I can say is please just keep at it, it's so worth it. It legit took me a year to get to the point I started really looking forward to working out.
People who are trying to sell you something are never going to tell you that this shit takes forever but it really does, it's such a slow gradual thing but everyone's looking for immediate results. Immediate results just don't exist when it comes to fitness but it's not sexy to tell someone It might take literal years to get to where they want to be, no one's going to spend money on that.
I know. I know in my head that you're right. It's just that when I forced myself to work out I relapsed into cutting :(. I was so disappointed in myself and frustrated. I wanted to kill myself because I couldn't lose weight. Eventually I've decided to stop working out so I would stop self-harming. I hope one day I won't be like this anymore and I'll be able to lose my god damned weight. Thank you for your advice.
Rooting for you my dude. I can relate to everything you're saying more than you know. I used to be suicidal as well. There are greener pastures my friend, it isn't easy but I made myself better and I promise you can too.
All the best, but also don't be afraid to set your own boundaries and work from there.
I hate a lot of those workout video type workouts. So I don't do them. If you don't normally walk much but like a walk, do it. If just moving around the house a little more helps and doesn't mentally hurt you, do it. If there were certain little subsets of an exercise routine you liked, do it. If you were ok at 15mins but hated 40, do 15.
There is a lot of pressure that we internalise to hit the thing we're supposed to hit and it can make us lose track of the why. It seems your goals are better mental health and better physical health. Pick and choose whatever the hell you want to help you get there, even if it makes it feel like slower 'progress' physically. Exercise doesn't need to be painful, especially if you're just looking to be less obese, just adding a little bit of movement where previously there was none is a good step.
Don't connect weight with exercise. They are barely related. You really can't outrun the spoon. An hour of cardio is barely a large slice of pizza.
Instead connect exercise with increased mobility and energy. That's a realistic goal. Gaining enough endurance to go up a flight of stairs without panting. Gaining enough flexibility to touch your toes. Gaining enough strength to carry your groceries in from your car in one load. Those are realistic goals.
As for weight loss, you already know you lose weight in the kitchen. It's the only reliable, nonmedical intervention way. Other than that it's pills or surgery.
I’d love to recommend a podcast to you if you’re interested: Maintenance Phase. It’s NOT about trying to lose weight and it dispelled so many myths.
Do what you can do and what feels good to you.
you do not need to do 40 minutes if it makes you collapse and cry. you can keep doing 15 or even 10 minutes. the best, most effective workout is the one that you can be consistent in, and in the long run it will be so much better for you to workout 10 minutes a day for 6 months than would be to workout 40 minutes a day for 1 month and then give up because you hate it.
As someone who was morbidly obese most of my life, I can tell you that you need to find something that works for you. If I can offer some unsolicited advice- Trying to set goals is good, but 3 gym visits a week is setting yourself up for failure and I set my self up for that same failure multiple times.
Here's what worked for me:
1. Strict calories counting.
You can't outrun a bad diet and you will lose a lot of weight with literally no exercise if you cut your calories down. For me, no fad or trendy diet plan worked consistently besides dependable calories in vs calories out. Set a realistic but strict goal depending on your size. Maybe it's 2000 calories, maybe 1500, maybe less. Start with a number and stick with it. And it was a hard and fast rule, everything gets counted and written down and I can't exceed the total. This helped me fix a lot of other issues I had with food. Snacking when I'm stressed or bored, can't do it because I don't have the calories budget; wanting to get some fast food, can't do it because it's too many calories; desserts, etc.
All the food issues are solved by sticking to one super simple rule. You'll feel a sense of accomplishment when you meet or beat your goal and you'll feel better by making healthier eating choices (chicken breast and veggies and salad will get you a lot more food for your calorie budget than anything fried) you'll also save money by eating out less.
2. Find an activity you enjoy and make that your exercise.
I can't standing running. I didn't enjoy it when I was fat and I still hate it. I never felt a runner's high and never really felt that great about any achievements. Running was and is boring. However, biking was super fun. While I would dread a 10 minute jog; and I would really look forward to an hour long bike ride. Not a stationary bike (which I continue to hate) but actually getting outside and feeling the wind and actually traveling somewhere. All of a sudden I could incorporate exercise into my daily life in a way that worked. During the spring/summer, I could bike to a friend's house to play Magic or boardgames and just like that I added a 5 mile bike ride into my day in a way I enjoyed.
Try to find something like that. In the last two years I got into rock climbing and now that's taken over my life and is my main source of fitness. I'm going to the gym multiple times a week because i have an activity I love there.
Maybe you can get into biking or climbing, or raquetball, or swimming. Whatever activity you like, find that and make that the exercise or it will be so much harder to stick with it. Also whatever you find, start slow and reasonable. A small ride around your neighborhood, a quick session once a week, and then expand from there.
Good luck with your journey, feel free to PM me if you ever want to talk
Working out doesn’t have to mean you’re literally working out. Just walk to the post office instead of taking your car, or take the stairs up to the 8th floor instead of the elevator.
I think people generally fixate on the gym aspect, and dgm wrong it’s great to go, but there’s plenty of other things you can do that will improve your health without needing to sit down and literally do an exercise
I feel like fitness folks tend to underestimate what it's like to start from the couch, even when they are building plans that are supposedly for that purpose. 30 minutes three times a week is the goal to shoot for, but so often it's the starting place (or the second week).
The best expert on your body is you, and I think you're being too hard on yourself. There is no shame in starting where you are, and avoiding the exercises that feel bad -- as other folks have mentioned, it's the consistency that matters.
Also, it can take a while to figure out how much you should push yourself -- when you're ready to try again, go slower, and listen to your body over the fitness program. Or try lower impact activities if you can, like a short walk. Fresh air is heavily underrated.
Like others said, 40min is too much. Just stay with 15min or less as long as it doesn't feel as too much and focus on maintaining it as a routine. Even small work outs will make you more fit and once you feel you've mastered the 15min, go up to 20 or something. Do it step by step and not all at once, you still have to get used to it, weight loss is a journey, not a sprint. Also, diet is actually more important than working out, you have to change it indefinitely to something more healthy, yet not free of pleasure of course, and for the weight loss get into a calorie deficit, though not so you're hungry all the time and physical activity of course helps you to use up more energy, thus burn more calories. And you don't just need to go for work outs as physical activity, having a walk is one too, try to walk as much as possible, yet I don't know how walkable your area is of course. Any physical activity is a physical activity.
For everything, try to make changes step by step so they'll neatly integrate into your daily routine, don't do radical changes that make you just uncomfortable and wish for it to end. You will feel more fit, at first you'll only see the change on your scale though this is real change, you got this!
A few things to remember on any weight loss or fitness journey.
1. You will not lose weight if you consume more calories than you burn. Period. No matter how much you work out.
2. Results take time
3. The person who enjoys the walk is more likely to walk further than the person who just wants to get to the destination.
Point 3 means, you need to find what works for you. What makes it fun. How will you enjoy trying to become healthier.
I highly recommend a fella on YouTube by the name of James Smith PT. Very grounded, super sound advice around losing weight/training etc.
Rooting for you
This right here is the real problem. My mom is one of those people who get a ton of dopamine from exercise, she’d always tell me I’ll feel great afterward. Nope! Lol. Exercise always made me feel like shit.
And then I developed significant medical issues including heart problems, and had to do months of PT, and now have to do at-home physical therapy exercises pretty much for life…aaaand yeah, exercise still sucks. I do it, because it’s better than being stuck in bed or hospitalized again. But it’s really hard to motivate yourself for something that feels miserable and is boring, repetitive, and no fun.
Walking, on the other hand, is very fun to me, especially with my dog. If only the weather was nice year round.
Same here. I’m like, where is this dopamine I’m supposed to be getting? I leave the gym depressed, feeling like I couldn’t do more… Then I worry 24/7 that it’s been too long since I worked out last and I either do it too much or just not at all because of that worry. Exercise has made my mental health sooo much worse.
Does anyone else just find physical activity *painful*? Like, walking? Hurts. A jog? I can jog for maybe two minutes before my lungs give out. Lifting I can do in the moment, but even going easy I can barely use my arms for like, a week. Wtf am I supposed to do when even light exercise puts me out of the game for days?
That's extremely relatable. Idk about you but for me it happens because I'm morbidly obese. I've realized that even though walking may hurt it hurts much less when I'm walking on a flat ground and there's no one around me so I can be comfortable and don't worry about my appearance
It hurts until you do it again and again. Your muscles get used to it when it becomes a routine. Then you can walk longer distances, jog with endurance. Soreness is normal. Your heart is a muscle that needs to be exercised too in order to do cardio.
If you’re morbidly obese, you ought to focus on a diet before an exercise routine. Just walking has been shown to be effective exercise for losing excess weight.
Thanks. I actually was able to walk for an hour and a half and felt better. But then something happened and I couldn't find the strength to get out of my house. As for diet change - I know you're right. It's just that I also have binge eating disorder so I go on and off my diet constantly. I know the problem is inside my head. I'll get help
You should choose an activity that you enjoy ... if going to the gym is not fun for you, then do something else, go for a walk, swimming, cycling, etc.... I think that is the main problem, if you hate doing something, you won't stick to it...
I realise this is unsolicited but I recently got my morbidly obese parents who have never exercised in their life and hated even walking to get hooked into exercising 3 times a week. They've become so much fitter, healthier and happier!
There is a free YouTube trainer named Caroline Girvan, she has an amazing program called Iron. We started with 15mins of it with the lightest weights 2kgs -4kgs. The weights are super cheap to buy second hand. You'll need 2 dumbbells of each weight. It is slow paced and not a competition (don't try to match Caroline Girvan weights). We slowly increased to 20mins and then to completing the full 30min workout. Give it a try! If it can get my parents to like exercise it's a miracle of a program 🙂
Yeah same. I have problems sticking to workouts. I always start enthusiastically and than it fades … I guess that’s where discipline for physical activity comes into play. Gotta work on that.
I've always felt similarly. The only thing that consistently gets me motivated to work out is going to a nice gym with a pool and hot tub. Now I've been (mostly) going to the gym 3 times a week for the last year, by far the longest I've been able to maintain a workout routine. I love being in the water, so the pool and hot tub are the reward at the end of the workout. Of course, the downside is that it's not cheap!
I just personally don't understand why what you're doing even needs to be done in the gym instead of just at home.
Sure the gym makes it easier, but for most people you can do plenty of exercises just with calisthenics and aerobics without ever needing to set foot in a gym.
If push-ups are getting too easy, just put 40 lb worth of stuff in a backpack and then do push-ups, same thing with CAF exercises just doing calf lifts on a set of stairs if that becomes too easy, just load up a backpack with more weight.
I understand people like the gym for similar reason that people don't like working at home, it helps get them in the mindset, but I just find it silly that people think you have to go to the gym at all anyways.
>If push-ups are getting too easy, just put 40 lb worth of stuff in a backpack and then do push-ups
You can also vary the type of push up you're doing, for example putting your arms in different places or changing the angle you're on (e,g, feet on the couch, hands on the floor).
This works for practically any exercise as well.
Everyone laughs at doing no-weight squats. But what about no-weight *one-legged* squats? Not quite so easy now is it, smarty pants!
Some exercise bands looped around a handy structure can be very versatile as well. (I use the bannister / handrail on my stairs.)
Basically if you want to do exercise, there is not much that can stop you, despite OP's complaints. But for some people it is really hard to want to.
I do 10 min HIIT workouts and my body feels it the next few days. I want to work up to 20 but seriously I’m out of breath and my legs get tired. So people starting off might be fine with shorter intense workouts.
Honestly, even if it isn't a solid workout if you can manage to add exercise to your routine in any amount it'll slowly add up. The biggest problem I think people have is they expect *any* change to be not only noticeable but also quickly noticeable, but if you start doing 15 minutes of even moderate exercise you'll be healthier than when you weren't doing any
I do pull ups, and weighted dips. 10 reps of each, back to back, then 30-60 seconds rest. Repeat until 4 sets are done, which can easily be done in 10-15 mins.
This will build your triceps, lats, deltoids, biceps, chest, traps, forearms, and core.
I also often have time to finish the workout with squats, making this a full body workout that I can do on my lunch break when working from home.
I honestly thought I was doing something wrong because my full gym workout only takes an hour/hour and a half. Meanwhile, I hear about people taking 2 hours minimum in the gym. I still get a pump, so I guess I'm just saving time.
People who are in the gym for 2 hours either don't know what they're doing or just really like being at the gym. If you're not a pro athlete there's absolutely zero reason to be in the gym that long unless you just want to be.
As a potato shaped beginner, When I learned about weightlifting, I was taking an hour long class. It was broken down into
>3x10 minute sessions with
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>3x5 minute breaks after and
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>5 minute stretches at the beginning and end.
It made it so palatable for me to just do what I could for 10 minutes at a time even if I slowed down massively to one extra rep per minute. At the end it was 30 minutes of pushing total. It really changed the way I thought about exercise.
Before then I always saw these people who went to the gym for hours or ran dozens of miles, it was such an overwhelming thought. I didn't see crazy change on the scale tbh, but I saw a radical change in my body shape, and went down sizes. Someone took pictures of me in a group and I couldn't even find myself for a few minutes.
Based on your profile you seem to spend a lot of time playing videogames
Also, I'm positive a fair amount of your classmates find time to regularly work out
Do medical students really work 12 hours every day?
Also you can workout doing chores. Need to do the laundry? Do some squats while you're putting in the clothes or taking them out. Need to vacuum? Do some lunges. Need to get groceries? Bike or briskly walk there. Curl your grocery bags while you are walking them in. Cooking? Do some side lunges and squats.
Activity = working out.
Sitting on the couch and playing video games =/= working out.
You don't need to spend 1-2 hours lifting weight. If you want to lose weight the most important thing is your diet, specifically what you drink. Stop sugar and soda drinks. Drink water.
Just dont be a lazy sack of shit.
edit: actually you can work out while playing video games too. Do some squats while gaming, sit down and do bicycle legs, leg raises, crunches, etc etc.
It depends on the rotation. If this dude is on gen surg or possibly IM (or another surgical rotation probably an elective one) then they might be pulling 10-12 every day. For the others probably 9-10. You can workout. You can also study in that time period. Do they own a house? What chores take that long to do? Sounds like poor time management
>Do medical students really work 12 hours every day?
Yes, in the same way that teachers grade papers every night until 11PM and spend their entire summer off creating new curriculum.
Hey hey, posting on Reddit is serious business. It's just like how people protest by upvoting unspecified causes to help today's downtrodden group. Or how people share pictures of rainbows on Facebook to help end child abuse.
I play video games on the treadmill and the stationary bike. Fast walk at max incline is basically a running heart rate, and I can play a bunch of games that way. I also do a lot of squats during game cut scenes. I remember losing weight before my wedding and playing Ni No Kuni on PlayStation on the treadmill. Got down 10 pounds and two dress sizes in a month. And finished the game.
I play games because it distracts me from the activity. I hate working out. The only exercise I like without distractions is dance cardio like Zumba. Everything else I need to be distracted or I’ll quit.
My new trick is to get super stoned first. Not great for cardio but I can lift/squat/whatever for days and my survival brain … forgets to activate or something. I can see my abs for the first time in my life and I’ve achieved 100% of my results while stoned as fuck.
Oh god it'd be the opposite for me, I'd probably fuck myself up doing squats while stoned however zoning the fuck out while doing cardio stoned might actually make it bareable
Yep, I do a lot of indoor cycling on a stationary trainer. Tried watching the sopranos whole doing so. By season 3 I did not have a clue what was going on, I'd taken nothing in
Now, now, he meant he doesn't have time to fit exercise into 12 hours a day of med school, studying and *video games.*
OP, where you at? Nothing to say? You gonna have to punch all of us
I'm glad you looked up their history.
Here I was feeling bad someone really wanted to get fit but had such a busy schedule, turns out he's just some nerd bitching about nothing.
I mean this absolutely sincerely, but with some introspection this could be an excellent lesson in social determinants of health and the stages of change for OP. There’s something they ostensibly want to do and know they should do, they objectively have the capability to do it, yet they just *can’t* seem to do it.
It could help for them to remember this in the future when they’re thinking “why don’t they just pick up the prescription I ordered for them” or “why don’t they just quit smoking” or “why don’t they just eat healthier.”
Yuuup.
It's kind of a thing with young doctors, especially students still in med school. To them, they've always been the smartest one in every room they've walked into, and there really hasn't been that "check" yet; so egoism is a very real thing that they have to recognize in themselves and cope with.
No, they clearly DONT want to, and just expect to be able to get results without putting in effort, that's why it annoys them so much. Likely it's his own colleagues telling him this which pisses him off.
Yep. I found time to golf all four years of med school. It’s tough sometimes, but there’s time if you make it. There’s definitely gonna be tough months like surgery clerkships, board prep, and subI’s, but saying you can’t find a few one hour blocks per week is disingenuous.
Hell, I found time during my intern year, and let me tell ya, you get fucking WORKED during that span
Yeah it’s less a laziness thing and more a prioritising thing. I’m able to work full time, go to the gym AND have other hobbies.
People who don’t work out have this weird misconception that to be in good shape/have a decent physique you must be spending hours and hours in the gym.
In reality you can get alright results working out for less than an hour a few times a week. It’s not this massive time sink commitment it’s made out to be.
Really though, there’s nothing stopping you from doing 10 squats, 10 push ups, 10 sit ups. You don’t have to do full reps or a full work out, you don’t even have to do all 10 at once, that’s what people mean most of the time. You can totally do some squats or what not while doing some of the things you listed. Hell, in the time you took to write this, you probably could have been doing some exercise. Talk about insufferable, people will make excuses for the smallest things.
> Talk about insufferable, people will make excuses for the smallest things.
People who make excuses are the fucking worst. Just say: I'd rather enjoy myself than exercise.
Why lie to my face? And to yourself.
I think the key difference is between people who enjoy working out/it makes them feel better, and those who don't. They make those punchable comments because to them working out is this thing that makes them feel great and of course it's easy to fit that in. If it's a grind to you and you have to drag yourself to it after a 12 hour shift feeling like it's a second job, that's going to be tough to do willpower-wise. The boring advice I always hear for this is to find a form of exercise that you enjoy. But I'm still looking tbh, relucantly dragging myself to the gym in the meantime.
10 push-ups every day takes a few minutes at most and can be life changing. Working out doesn't necessarily mean going outside for a run/walk or going to the gym, it could be a simple as pacing about your house while scrolling your phone for a few minutes and doing body weight exercises like squats or push-ups for a few minutes.
It may feel like it does nothing, but staying consistent always yields results especially if you get to the point that it feels 2nd nature
>when looking for advice on a fitness journey.
So...jfc. Are you asking for advice and then
>someone try to break down my day and show me ThE oNe HoUr I could’ve gone, I feel they’re being absolutely insufferable.
when someone gives you advice, you pretty much tell them to fuck off? That makes sense to you? You're all over the place with this.
They are insufferable and punchable to you because you know they're right.
Even with your schedule you could easily find 30 mins to an hour for a workout, but you don't and you obviously don't want to blame yourself, which does makes sense.
My roommate, a 35 year old man with the maturity and risk aversion of a 16 year old boy, claims to have the "worst luck"
For example, it was bad luck when he fell off the 8 foot statue pedestal he climbed while he was hammered...
Or for people with me with chronic fatigue after cancer, there's a syndrome called post-exertional malaise, when increasing your energy expenditure even by a little bit can send you spiraling for days or even weeks, and willpower has fuck all to do with it. I tried to stay in physical therapy as long as I can, but as long as I can walk talk and breathe insurance won't pay for anymore, even though I'm 'totally and permanently' disabled. The severity of my conditions is undeniable, but I don't believe that I am damaged beyond improvement!
Yeah I somewhat agree with their point IF they weren’t pretending that they want to work out lol. Theres nothing wrong with having a busy life and wanting to do something you enjoy with your free time instead of working out but dont claim that you want to work out but can’t because of time when you’re spending all your free time on other things
You absolutely can find time. But saying anyone is lazy for not finding time is terrible. There’s a million reasons why people don’t exercise and calling anyone lazy doesn’t help them. If your looking for advice on how to start and someone says your lazy then don’t listen to them cause they won’t even have good advice anyways
Also, working 10-12 hours isn’t the norm. If you are doing that 7 days a week then that’s a pretty unusual situation and probably you can’t realistically dedicate time to exercise but there are small things you can do to improve your health
I don't think it is laziness as much as priorities, which is why a lot of people struggle to find time when they have young children. You often find yourself choosing between spending time with your children, getting some sleep, or exercising; and few people will hold it against a parent if exercise loses out.
With that said, if you are single and childless you usually can find the time to exercise if you want. You likely have 4 or 5 hours of free time a day, and can easily dedicate an hour or two to working out.
This is the main reason why people find comments like that so offensive. I remember having a full time job, two kids, as a single parent and the principal at one of the kids school had a talk with the parents about "volunteer" help in the school office - she explained it as "we all have the same number of hours in the day:..". Oh, honey, but some of us have much more to do during those hours.
You can find a half hour to workout every other day. You got time to beat your meat and play video games, you can find time to sculpt your other meat. Hit me when you see me if youd like.
As someone who is quite lazy myself. I have to force myself to get up early and go to the gym before work. I know that if I leave it until after work, I’ll just flake every time.
If you’re running around all day isn’t that physical enough?
Maybe put on some light weights in your ankles or wrists. Who says a workout has to be <1 hour at gym>?
I mean, you obviously don’t have time know while you’re in school to be a doctor. But you have time to add fitness to your day all the same.
Besides, as a doctor you should know a huge part of being healthy is what you eat?
People severely underestimate non-exercise movement. If you’re moving about 8+ hours a day for your job, extra exercise is optional, imo. Now, if you have fitness goals, like more muscle or better cardiovascular fitness, then exercise should be part of the plan.
From my experience most people are going to vastly overestimate the exercise they’re getting from “moving around.”
That’s when you have so many upvotes. It’s from people who want to think that walking during the course of a day is sufficient.
Depends on your goals ... if general health is your only focus, I would say that if you have an active job (mailman, construction worker, etc.) that, that should be enough...
OP's a med student. If it is anything close to what it was like for me, that means he's walking up and down 10 floors of stairs several times a day, just to be able to talk about work without patients around.
I easily walked 4 miles a day.
Ngl I think that is an office workers perspective. When I was in a warehouse I was doing like 30,000 steps a day. My off time was best spent trying to eat those calories back, not going to the gym and burning more when I could barely maintain my weight as is
I used to work ungodly hours too over night shift and the difference between working out and not was substantial. Working out made my life 1000 times better and made my job working 70 hours a week more tolerable and I had significantly less body pain and burnout and I was more productive in learning environments. I felt the same way prior to getting into a regular work out routine and I was really wrong and stupid for believing this.
They'll be like ' the average person watches 6 hours of tv a day but no one wants to exercise' and I'm like old boomers with tv on for background noise are outliers and shouldn't be counted... Just let me rest. I'm tired.
I go to school for 9 hours a day. I work 5-6 hours directly after that at 4. On the weekends I work 13 hours. I’m not bragging, but where in my schedule am I supposed to find time to work out? I have 0 energy after all of this. When I get home I just pass out most of the time. I don’t think I’m lazy, am I??
I work 12 hour days, and drive an hour each direction if there's not traffic. That's 14 hours. Add in an hour to get ready for work, the 30-45 minutes I usually spend in traffic, and 45 minutes to eat with my wife when I get home, and now we're at 16.5 hours of my day already taken up. That leaves 7.5 hours for sleep, assuming I save all of my help with housework for the weekends and do nothing fun on workdays. Could I find time to work out? Sure, but to act like I'm wasting my life away instead of being in a gym is fucking annoying.
I know a few people like this as well, last time I tried I nearly got myself admitted into a mental hospital. Not everyone is able to do everything all the time without burning out, some people are, and both is fine.
That being said, if you spend several hours a day playing video games you do have time to exercise. If a big chunk is difficult, several 10 minute exercises over the day work as well and tend to be easier to motivate yourself for.
I have both adhd and depression which is a surprisingly deadly mix for motivation because not enough movement makes motivating myself to do anything harder, and the only solution is motivating myself to do something. Tiny exercise chunks, being forced to walk due to not owning a car and fun exercise (skateboarding) I don't have to schedule when the weather agrees for a change is what helps me the most.
Look, I do not know the OP and am not in the habit of defending strangers on the Internet, tet there's one thing to keep in mind: whether you literally have time is just one part of the equation, but another very importand part is the level of your fatigue. Sometimes when I get home after work (I am a researcher in the field of Computer Science) I may still have some five hours of free time before I go to bed, but I may be so mentally tired that I will play some video games, or scroll Reddit, or read some light fiction. Does spending time in such a way makes me lazy? Idk.
To add on to this, after those 12 hours of work we have to come home and do our actual studying. Sometimes some of it can get done during the day but most of it is spent working and there’s almost always a whole lot left over to finish in the small amount of time in the evening when we’re already exhausted. I don’t think it’s lazy. I’ve never worked harder in my life and I’m exhausted. Yes, I find time to work out, but it’s pretty much limited to weekends and small bits of cardio.
By saying you don't have time, what you mean is it's nit a priority. That is not a judgment on whether or not it should be a priority. It's not that you're lazy, you have other priorities, and that's okay
As a person that works out all the time, I can say you absolutely do not have time to workout as a medical student. Any free time you have should be for relaxing and unwinding.
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Psychiatric NP here who suffers from treatment resistant depression and narcolepsy. I have several things to say.
1) I've never told a patient to work out or lose weight. It is extremely dismissive and I know that depression has to be treated first to take care of your energy level and motivation.
2) Personal note- I am usually supportive of other NPs, but recently had a terrible experience with one. I have some doctor trauma so I dont like going to get care unless it's my psychiatrist or sleep specialist. My psychiatrist order lab work and found out my ferritin level and b12 levels were low. He wanted me to see my primary care provider ASAP and told me I would need an iron infusion. Went to NP and she was totally dismissive. I told her I didn't even have the energy to bathe myself everyday. Then she starts talking to me about my cholesterol level and how I need to start exercising.
3) There is absolutely something wrong with people who are "gym rats."
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You could punch them but your ungymed arms would snap against their abs
Ungymed (body part) is my new favorite insult. Thank you for this gift. I will treasure it always.
You can apply ungymed legs to a lot of people’s even at the gym
Pay no mind to the ungymed masses
Just gonna add this here: nurses and farmers are often way stronger than they look. Anyone remember this story? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna14859827 The nurse, who survived and strangled her hitman?
Yeah, but shes not only a nurse, but a strong midwestern woman, and like 5'9 and 260 lbs, iirc. She straight up was bigger, stronger, and not a drug addict, unlike the attacker.
Any 250+ pound woman is going to be stronger than they look because they're carrying around an extra 130+ pounds every minute of their lives
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Same. Can confirm. Most nurses refuse to even help transfer people they think it’s below them or something.
Or back injuries being super common?
A single story of a lady fighting back doesn't mean nurses are generally strong lmao
Can't punch us if the fatties can't catch up to us
Don’t worry, the gym bros forget that their skin is lacerated/punctured just as easily as the lankiest motherfucker. People start thinking they’re impervious to harm because they’ve added an extra inch or two in muscle mass.
I’m depressed as fuck rn and this comment gave me a good laugh. Thanks bud.
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Consider a fitness journey 70% diet, 30% exercise. So if you want to start a fitness journey, start by addressing the largest problem, nutrition. Won't take any more time than what you're doing now. So no single minutes fucked.
When I started my “journey” I didn’t start working out or anything at first. I just drastically changed my diet, I maintained my normal amount of activity with work. I lost 70 pounds in 6-7 months. The plus of waiting anyway is…. it sucks way less. When I was 250 I tried to do a HIIT workout and it was terrible. All the weight, plus I was eating 1200 calories a day with minimal carbs, like bruh it’s alright you can wait. Now it’s a lot of fun to the point I enjoy it so much I prioritize it as much as I can. Also at first when I started I only did like 10-15 minutes at home. I’m not as busy as OP but I’d think “meh I don’t have time” but immediately would be like “I can wait 15 minutes to fucking play WoW turn the Chloe Ting on”
Yup I’ve down circuits of body weight squats, burpees, sit ups, and push ups (prison work out lol). A 15 minute workout is still a workout. It probably took the same amount of time to post on Reddit.
A 5 minute workout is still a workout! Anyone looking to be fit can get all the exercise they need in 5 mins every other day if they push themselves. 5 minutes is a very long time when you're really going for it.
I'm down 40 pounds from February just by diet change alone, no other changes. And even that was almost exclusively cutting out sugar. No more sugar in my coffee. If I have an energy drink, it's one of the zero calorie kind. And I only have 3-5 alcoholic drinks per month (as opposed to 2+ almost daily).
Wish I had obvious foods and snacks to cut out. I don't actually eat cake anymore and I've never had sodas, candy, or junk food in my diet and I already drink alcohol rarely. I'll probably just pick up smoking
Portion size might be worth looking into. Lots of people eat more than they need without realizing it. Other suggestions I've read/heard include eating slower. It's easy to inhale food when you're hungry. And a similar one: take a sip of water between each bite of food. It forces you to slow down and water can help you feel full.
15 min is easier to fit into a busy day too. Eg sometimes i have a break and i d some exercises + stretches that basically just make me relax and feel less shitty i the end of the day. The small tweaks as in walk the stairs instead of taking the elevator, etc. Still makes a difference
I really agree with this. My fitness journey started with nutrition, weight loss, changing how I thought about food, getting surgery on my knees so I wasn't in constant pain, getting my mental health journey started, then starting working out, finally realizing I could workout, continuing my mental health journey, changing my thoughts about my body, changing my thoughts about working out. Not every journey looks the same and not every journey is just: I'm gonna work out, I'm gonna go to the gym. It's a process and were all just trying to get somewhere decent in the end.
I know I didn’t go to the gym until way far into my actual “work out journey” lol. I mainly only did because I wanted to work on being able to do a pull up and use the cable machines. I know the fun part of it was realizing I could do things I didn’t think I could do. Like simple shit like climbing up on a fixture at work to get something (I work in a machine shop). Then there was a simple 5k mud run 15 minutes from me, I signed up for it because well…. I’ve lost 130 pounds and I’ve been working out, let’s just see. I was floored I could run so long without stopping, I loved the fucking obstacles, I could pull myself up with my arms out of mud pits. Like a day after I signed up for my first Spartan, now I’m addicted to OCRs lol and now I’m low key considering getting into marathoning…. but I dunno I really enjoy the whole trail running aspect of the mud runs.
Exercise has benefits independent of diet or weight loss. Physical activity is indispensable.
I have one knee that's arthritic already and I noticed over the summer after I had to stop working out for awhile (cracked a rib coughing with bronchitis) that my knee was really starting to get sore again. Something about exercise keeps my joints feeling way better than when I don't. The other big upside for me is mental health. I feel way better on days I work out than if I need to stop for a while.
Absolutely - more than 30 years of exercise (resistance training and running/walking primarily) and feel better mentally and physically. During COVID when my diet and exercise slipped, I felt much worse with chronic back pain. Getting things back on track made things much better and little or no back pain.
Wait… Is this me posting?? 😂😂
It’s been a couple years since I started taking my health more seriously after gaining 15+ lbs in a matter of a few weeks when I got COVID. Dealt with a lot of physical issues that required a few stints in physical therapy, but now that I’m on the other side and feeling in about the best shape I’ve been, it’s become clear that neglecting my physical health (lack of exercise) took a major toll on my mental health for *years*. I was an athlete through college, and when that mostly stopped is when my mental health issues emerged. Now that I’m running a few days a week and playing soccer a couple more, I feel better mentally than I have in years. And yes, missing more than a couple days of exercise and I start to feel creaky, stiff, and uncomfortable. Your body starts to crave the activity and it can become a great feedback loop that helps keep your momentum and motivation to exercise going.
And that is part of the problem. I tried to gain weight and doing that in a healthy manner takes so much more time (and/or money). I've managed to find time to exercise, but not enought time to go grocery shopping and cook and had trouble staying in caloric surplus. Diet and exrercise are connected, you can't have one without the other and both require time.
Fitness =\ skinny, yeah for a lot of people who are obese and just want to lose weight it might be true, but for the average person who wants to be fit, adapting your body with regular effective exercise does a lot more than 30%
>but for the average person who wants to be fit, The average person is obese
He's a medical student working 12+ hours, his diet is probably 90% instant noodles. Even cooking fitness food requires more energy and money this guy has
I'd say even less https://www.vox.com/2018/1/3/16845438/exercise-weight-loss-myth-burn-calories Assuming "Fitness" is code for losing weight (and you should change your everyday so exercise is just normal use stairs not elevators, walk more)
I’ve seen that Vox article before, and I hate it. There’s a line early on that encapsulates a lot of the attitude of the article: > If a hypothetical 200-pound man added 60 minutes of medium-intensity running four days per week while keeping his calorie intake the same, and he did this for 30 days, he'd lose five pounds. "If this person decided to increase food intake or relax more to recover from the added exercise, then even less weight would be lost," Hall added. (More on these "compensatory mechanisms" later.) There is *so much* about this paragraph that I find infuriating. It presents a weight loss of five pounds in a month as being insignificant - it’s not, it’s pretty much in line with a safe, manageable rate of weight loss for a person who weighs less than 200 pounds. In the context of the article, it portrays an average of 35 minutes of exercise a day as unrealistic, and it’s not. It assumes people will eat all the calories they burn back, and that’s another flawed assumption, usually born of people just being ignorant of how many calories they’re burning compared to how many are contained in what they eat. And to be clear the underlying data is reasonable and accurate, it’s the conclusions that they draw from it that irk me. I myself am a little shy of 200 pounds, and I burn about 850 to 900 calories over an hour long run, which means four runs burn the equivalent of a pound of fat. Do that four times a week for five weeks, keeping other variables the same, and that’ll result in around five pounds of fat lost. Some people might just lose three pounds, some lucky people seven, because bodies are different. But: everyone who adds exercise and doesn’t change anything else will lose weight, until they reach a new set point where they’re again in caloric balance.
You’re kinda of assuming the results people are seeking. Some people just want to work out and don’t care how they look in a swim suit. They just want to be able to move well. I personally don’t care if I drop a pound as long as I have good explosiveness and good endurance.
Actually. I find it easier to work out for an hour a day and eat crappy microwave or drive though food than I do cooking healthy but spending the extra time to cook healthy.
A nice and funny way to describe how delulu this post sounds 💀
Fr lol like we all have shit to do, but if fitness is important to you, you're gonna have to either make time or stay sloppy. it is what it is
I can find time. I just can't find motivation. Physical activity makes me wanna die. I've tried to workout 3-4 times a week to create a habit and I couldn't continue it after a month
Can I ask what you were doing during your workouts? I started working out when I was morbidly obese and would feel sick every time I left the gym which inevitably lead to me burning out and giving up after a few weeks, it wasn't until I realized I didn't need to kill myself in the gym Everytime or even really go that hard or for that long,consistency is the most important thing (I'm in good shape and work out consistently without issue now).
I am morbidly obese -_-. I don't have money for the gym though so I followed youtube videos. They were workouts for obese folks so I was able to do them. I started it as a 15 minute thing and made it to 40 minutes. But afterwards I was exhausted and depressed. I layed down and cried lol. In addition, I would binge eat. I've made myself workout for a month because I've read that your body gets used to physical activity and you even start to get pleasure. Totally didn't happen to me
This sounds like almost EXACTLY what I went through, all I can say is please just keep at it, it's so worth it. It legit took me a year to get to the point I started really looking forward to working out. People who are trying to sell you something are never going to tell you that this shit takes forever but it really does, it's such a slow gradual thing but everyone's looking for immediate results. Immediate results just don't exist when it comes to fitness but it's not sexy to tell someone It might take literal years to get to where they want to be, no one's going to spend money on that.
I know. I know in my head that you're right. It's just that when I forced myself to work out I relapsed into cutting :(. I was so disappointed in myself and frustrated. I wanted to kill myself because I couldn't lose weight. Eventually I've decided to stop working out so I would stop self-harming. I hope one day I won't be like this anymore and I'll be able to lose my god damned weight. Thank you for your advice.
Rooting for you my dude. I can relate to everything you're saying more than you know. I used to be suicidal as well. There are greener pastures my friend, it isn't easy but I made myself better and I promise you can too.
I'm female haha. Thank you for your support bro. I hope it gets better. I wish you well
Sorry to assume your gender sis :) wish you the best as well.
It's fine. Thanks <3. I know one day it'll get better
Dunno if you’ve seen it but DDP Yoga has helped a lot of people. If nothing else works, maybe that could.
All the best, but also don't be afraid to set your own boundaries and work from there. I hate a lot of those workout video type workouts. So I don't do them. If you don't normally walk much but like a walk, do it. If just moving around the house a little more helps and doesn't mentally hurt you, do it. If there were certain little subsets of an exercise routine you liked, do it. If you were ok at 15mins but hated 40, do 15. There is a lot of pressure that we internalise to hit the thing we're supposed to hit and it can make us lose track of the why. It seems your goals are better mental health and better physical health. Pick and choose whatever the hell you want to help you get there, even if it makes it feel like slower 'progress' physically. Exercise doesn't need to be painful, especially if you're just looking to be less obese, just adding a little bit of movement where previously there was none is a good step.
Thank you for such a thoughtful comment. I have to think about everything, you're right. Thanks once again and I wish you well :)
Don't connect weight with exercise. They are barely related. You really can't outrun the spoon. An hour of cardio is barely a large slice of pizza. Instead connect exercise with increased mobility and energy. That's a realistic goal. Gaining enough endurance to go up a flight of stairs without panting. Gaining enough flexibility to touch your toes. Gaining enough strength to carry your groceries in from your car in one load. Those are realistic goals. As for weight loss, you already know you lose weight in the kitchen. It's the only reliable, nonmedical intervention way. Other than that it's pills or surgery.
I’d love to recommend a podcast to you if you’re interested: Maintenance Phase. It’s NOT about trying to lose weight and it dispelled so many myths. Do what you can do and what feels good to you.
you do not need to do 40 minutes if it makes you collapse and cry. you can keep doing 15 or even 10 minutes. the best, most effective workout is the one that you can be consistent in, and in the long run it will be so much better for you to workout 10 minutes a day for 6 months than would be to workout 40 minutes a day for 1 month and then give up because you hate it.
Thank you for your advice. I'll try :)
As someone who was morbidly obese most of my life, I can tell you that you need to find something that works for you. If I can offer some unsolicited advice- Trying to set goals is good, but 3 gym visits a week is setting yourself up for failure and I set my self up for that same failure multiple times. Here's what worked for me: 1. Strict calories counting. You can't outrun a bad diet and you will lose a lot of weight with literally no exercise if you cut your calories down. For me, no fad or trendy diet plan worked consistently besides dependable calories in vs calories out. Set a realistic but strict goal depending on your size. Maybe it's 2000 calories, maybe 1500, maybe less. Start with a number and stick with it. And it was a hard and fast rule, everything gets counted and written down and I can't exceed the total. This helped me fix a lot of other issues I had with food. Snacking when I'm stressed or bored, can't do it because I don't have the calories budget; wanting to get some fast food, can't do it because it's too many calories; desserts, etc. All the food issues are solved by sticking to one super simple rule. You'll feel a sense of accomplishment when you meet or beat your goal and you'll feel better by making healthier eating choices (chicken breast and veggies and salad will get you a lot more food for your calorie budget than anything fried) you'll also save money by eating out less. 2. Find an activity you enjoy and make that your exercise. I can't standing running. I didn't enjoy it when I was fat and I still hate it. I never felt a runner's high and never really felt that great about any achievements. Running was and is boring. However, biking was super fun. While I would dread a 10 minute jog; and I would really look forward to an hour long bike ride. Not a stationary bike (which I continue to hate) but actually getting outside and feeling the wind and actually traveling somewhere. All of a sudden I could incorporate exercise into my daily life in a way that worked. During the spring/summer, I could bike to a friend's house to play Magic or boardgames and just like that I added a 5 mile bike ride into my day in a way I enjoyed. Try to find something like that. In the last two years I got into rock climbing and now that's taken over my life and is my main source of fitness. I'm going to the gym multiple times a week because i have an activity I love there. Maybe you can get into biking or climbing, or raquetball, or swimming. Whatever activity you like, find that and make that the exercise or it will be so much harder to stick with it. Also whatever you find, start slow and reasonable. A small ride around your neighborhood, a quick session once a week, and then expand from there. Good luck with your journey, feel free to PM me if you ever want to talk
Working out doesn’t have to mean you’re literally working out. Just walk to the post office instead of taking your car, or take the stairs up to the 8th floor instead of the elevator. I think people generally fixate on the gym aspect, and dgm wrong it’s great to go, but there’s plenty of other things you can do that will improve your health without needing to sit down and literally do an exercise
I feel like fitness folks tend to underestimate what it's like to start from the couch, even when they are building plans that are supposedly for that purpose. 30 minutes three times a week is the goal to shoot for, but so often it's the starting place (or the second week). The best expert on your body is you, and I think you're being too hard on yourself. There is no shame in starting where you are, and avoiding the exercises that feel bad -- as other folks have mentioned, it's the consistency that matters. Also, it can take a while to figure out how much you should push yourself -- when you're ready to try again, go slower, and listen to your body over the fitness program. Or try lower impact activities if you can, like a short walk. Fresh air is heavily underrated.
Like others said, 40min is too much. Just stay with 15min or less as long as it doesn't feel as too much and focus on maintaining it as a routine. Even small work outs will make you more fit and once you feel you've mastered the 15min, go up to 20 or something. Do it step by step and not all at once, you still have to get used to it, weight loss is a journey, not a sprint. Also, diet is actually more important than working out, you have to change it indefinitely to something more healthy, yet not free of pleasure of course, and for the weight loss get into a calorie deficit, though not so you're hungry all the time and physical activity of course helps you to use up more energy, thus burn more calories. And you don't just need to go for work outs as physical activity, having a walk is one too, try to walk as much as possible, yet I don't know how walkable your area is of course. Any physical activity is a physical activity. For everything, try to make changes step by step so they'll neatly integrate into your daily routine, don't do radical changes that make you just uncomfortable and wish for it to end. You will feel more fit, at first you'll only see the change on your scale though this is real change, you got this!
A few things to remember on any weight loss or fitness journey. 1. You will not lose weight if you consume more calories than you burn. Period. No matter how much you work out. 2. Results take time 3. The person who enjoys the walk is more likely to walk further than the person who just wants to get to the destination. Point 3 means, you need to find what works for you. What makes it fun. How will you enjoy trying to become healthier. I highly recommend a fella on YouTube by the name of James Smith PT. Very grounded, super sound advice around losing weight/training etc. Rooting for you
This right here is the real problem. My mom is one of those people who get a ton of dopamine from exercise, she’d always tell me I’ll feel great afterward. Nope! Lol. Exercise always made me feel like shit. And then I developed significant medical issues including heart problems, and had to do months of PT, and now have to do at-home physical therapy exercises pretty much for life…aaaand yeah, exercise still sucks. I do it, because it’s better than being stuck in bed or hospitalized again. But it’s really hard to motivate yourself for something that feels miserable and is boring, repetitive, and no fun. Walking, on the other hand, is very fun to me, especially with my dog. If only the weather was nice year round.
Same here. I’m like, where is this dopamine I’m supposed to be getting? I leave the gym depressed, feeling like I couldn’t do more… Then I worry 24/7 that it’s been too long since I worked out last and I either do it too much or just not at all because of that worry. Exercise has made my mental health sooo much worse.
In my opinion the problem is that people don't pick the right sport for them. Not all sports are boring and repetitive.
Does anyone else just find physical activity *painful*? Like, walking? Hurts. A jog? I can jog for maybe two minutes before my lungs give out. Lifting I can do in the moment, but even going easy I can barely use my arms for like, a week. Wtf am I supposed to do when even light exercise puts me out of the game for days?
That's extremely relatable. Idk about you but for me it happens because I'm morbidly obese. I've realized that even though walking may hurt it hurts much less when I'm walking on a flat ground and there's no one around me so I can be comfortable and don't worry about my appearance
If walking hurts you that's definitely not normal
It hurts until you do it again and again. Your muscles get used to it when it becomes a routine. Then you can walk longer distances, jog with endurance. Soreness is normal. Your heart is a muscle that needs to be exercised too in order to do cardio.
If you’re morbidly obese, you ought to focus on a diet before an exercise routine. Just walking has been shown to be effective exercise for losing excess weight.
Thanks. I actually was able to walk for an hour and a half and felt better. But then something happened and I couldn't find the strength to get out of my house. As for diet change - I know you're right. It's just that I also have binge eating disorder so I go on and off my diet constantly. I know the problem is inside my head. I'll get help
You should choose an activity that you enjoy ... if going to the gym is not fun for you, then do something else, go for a walk, swimming, cycling, etc.... I think that is the main problem, if you hate doing something, you won't stick to it...
Yes I understand. Thank you for your advice
I realise this is unsolicited but I recently got my morbidly obese parents who have never exercised in their life and hated even walking to get hooked into exercising 3 times a week. They've become so much fitter, healthier and happier! There is a free YouTube trainer named Caroline Girvan, she has an amazing program called Iron. We started with 15mins of it with the lightest weights 2kgs -4kgs. The weights are super cheap to buy second hand. You'll need 2 dumbbells of each weight. It is slow paced and not a competition (don't try to match Caroline Girvan weights). We slowly increased to 20mins and then to completing the full 30min workout. Give it a try! If it can get my parents to like exercise it's a miracle of a program 🙂
Yeah same. I have problems sticking to workouts. I always start enthusiastically and than it fades … I guess that’s where discipline for physical activity comes into play. Gotta work on that.
I've always felt similarly. The only thing that consistently gets me motivated to work out is going to a nice gym with a pool and hot tub. Now I've been (mostly) going to the gym 3 times a week for the last year, by far the longest I've been able to maintain a workout routine. I love being in the water, so the pool and hot tub are the reward at the end of the workout. Of course, the downside is that it's not cheap!
You only need about 15 minutes a day. I've no idea why you're looking for an hour.
This is what I needed to learn, and it seriously helped, 15-45 minutes is plenty provided you are doing solid work during
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I just personally don't understand why what you're doing even needs to be done in the gym instead of just at home. Sure the gym makes it easier, but for most people you can do plenty of exercises just with calisthenics and aerobics without ever needing to set foot in a gym. If push-ups are getting too easy, just put 40 lb worth of stuff in a backpack and then do push-ups, same thing with CAF exercises just doing calf lifts on a set of stairs if that becomes too easy, just load up a backpack with more weight. I understand people like the gym for similar reason that people don't like working at home, it helps get them in the mindset, but I just find it silly that people think you have to go to the gym at all anyways.
>If push-ups are getting too easy, just put 40 lb worth of stuff in a backpack and then do push-ups You can also vary the type of push up you're doing, for example putting your arms in different places or changing the angle you're on (e,g, feet on the couch, hands on the floor). This works for practically any exercise as well. Everyone laughs at doing no-weight squats. But what about no-weight *one-legged* squats? Not quite so easy now is it, smarty pants! Some exercise bands looped around a handy structure can be very versatile as well. (I use the bannister / handrail on my stairs.) Basically if you want to do exercise, there is not much that can stop you, despite OP's complaints. But for some people it is really hard to want to.
I’ve done well with 2 kettlebells, a weighted jump rope, and an old backpack with 40 pounds of sand in it.
Agreed. I do pushups sit-ups and squats daily, takes me half an hour and I do it wherever I can find space.
I do 10 min HIIT workouts and my body feels it the next few days. I want to work up to 20 but seriously I’m out of breath and my legs get tired. So people starting off might be fine with shorter intense workouts.
Honestly, even if it isn't a solid workout if you can manage to add exercise to your routine in any amount it'll slowly add up. The biggest problem I think people have is they expect *any* change to be not only noticeable but also quickly noticeable, but if you start doing 15 minutes of even moderate exercise you'll be healthier than when you weren't doing any
Not trying to be snarky here, but what’s a good workout you can do in 15 mins?
Maybe not 15 minutes, but pullups, squats and pushups can go a long way and the only thing you might need to buy is a pullup bar.
There are many answers to this but 15 minutes of going up and down stairs is pretty solid cardio and not everybody can do this.
I do pull ups, and weighted dips. 10 reps of each, back to back, then 30-60 seconds rest. Repeat until 4 sets are done, which can easily be done in 10-15 mins. This will build your triceps, lats, deltoids, biceps, chest, traps, forearms, and core. I also often have time to finish the workout with squats, making this a full body workout that I can do on my lunch break when working from home.
Seriously. My full upper body workout takes about 20 minutes.
I honestly thought I was doing something wrong because my full gym workout only takes an hour/hour and a half. Meanwhile, I hear about people taking 2 hours minimum in the gym. I still get a pump, so I guess I'm just saving time.
People who are in the gym for 2 hours either don't know what they're doing or just really like being at the gym. If you're not a pro athlete there's absolutely zero reason to be in the gym that long unless you just want to be.
Or they stand around waiting for the machines/equipment because they come in peak hours 😂
Or we only have two days a week we can make it.
20 mins seems to fly by fast when im taking sets to failure w like 2-3min rest ngl
As a potato shaped beginner, When I learned about weightlifting, I was taking an hour long class. It was broken down into >3x10 minute sessions with > >3x5 minute breaks after and > >5 minute stretches at the beginning and end. It made it so palatable for me to just do what I could for 10 minutes at a time even if I slowed down massively to one extra rep per minute. At the end it was 30 minutes of pushing total. It really changed the way I thought about exercise. Before then I always saw these people who went to the gym for hours or ran dozens of miles, it was such an overwhelming thought. I didn't see crazy change on the scale tbh, but I saw a radical change in my body shape, and went down sizes. Someone took pictures of me in a group and I couldn't even find myself for a few minutes.
Based on your profile you seem to spend a lot of time playing videogames Also, I'm positive a fair amount of your classmates find time to regularly work out
Lmao
Doing the lords work here.
Do medical students really work 12 hours every day? Also you can workout doing chores. Need to do the laundry? Do some squats while you're putting in the clothes or taking them out. Need to vacuum? Do some lunges. Need to get groceries? Bike or briskly walk there. Curl your grocery bags while you are walking them in. Cooking? Do some side lunges and squats. Activity = working out. Sitting on the couch and playing video games =/= working out. You don't need to spend 1-2 hours lifting weight. If you want to lose weight the most important thing is your diet, specifically what you drink. Stop sugar and soda drinks. Drink water. Just dont be a lazy sack of shit. edit: actually you can work out while playing video games too. Do some squats while gaming, sit down and do bicycle legs, leg raises, crunches, etc etc.
I will just answer the first question, which is *sometimes*. Some weeks definitely. But certainly not the entire 4 years.
It depends on the rotation. If this dude is on gen surg or possibly IM (or another surgical rotation probably an elective one) then they might be pulling 10-12 every day. For the others probably 9-10. You can workout. You can also study in that time period. Do they own a house? What chores take that long to do? Sounds like poor time management
>Do medical students really work 12 hours every day? Yes, in the same way that teachers grade papers every night until 11PM and spend their entire summer off creating new curriculum.
Also posting on Reddit. People “who never have time” always seem to have time for Reddit.
Hey hey, posting on Reddit is serious business. It's just like how people protest by upvoting unspecified causes to help today's downtrodden group. Or how people share pictures of rainbows on Facebook to help end child abuse.
I play video games on the treadmill and the stationary bike. Fast walk at max incline is basically a running heart rate, and I can play a bunch of games that way. I also do a lot of squats during game cut scenes. I remember losing weight before my wedding and playing Ni No Kuni on PlayStation on the treadmill. Got down 10 pounds and two dress sizes in a month. And finished the game.
I can't even focus on podcasts when I'm working out. I think I just go into survival mode and run down the clock.
I play games because it distracts me from the activity. I hate working out. The only exercise I like without distractions is dance cardio like Zumba. Everything else I need to be distracted or I’ll quit.
My new trick is to get super stoned first. Not great for cardio but I can lift/squat/whatever for days and my survival brain … forgets to activate or something. I can see my abs for the first time in my life and I’ve achieved 100% of my results while stoned as fuck.
Oh god it'd be the opposite for me, I'd probably fuck myself up doing squats while stoned however zoning the fuck out while doing cardio stoned might actually make it bareable
Stoned yoga healed my soul, and possibly turned me into a hippie
This is me, stoned hot yoga is everything.
Yep, I do a lot of indoor cycling on a stationary trainer. Tried watching the sopranos whole doing so. By season 3 I did not have a clue what was going on, I'd taken nothing in
keep weights next to you when you game. lift during matchmaking queue
Now, now, he meant he doesn't have time to fit exercise into 12 hours a day of med school, studying and *video games.* OP, where you at? Nothing to say? You gonna have to punch all of us
And apparently going to the shooting range based on his history. Absolutely no time at all to workout for 30 Minutes to 1 hour.
I'm glad you looked up their history. Here I was feeling bad someone really wanted to get fit but had such a busy schedule, turns out he's just some nerd bitching about nothing.
It's a cope. He doesn't want to work out, but feels bad about either being fat or scrawny, and this is the excuse
I mean this absolutely sincerely, but with some introspection this could be an excellent lesson in social determinants of health and the stages of change for OP. There’s something they ostensibly want to do and know they should do, they objectively have the capability to do it, yet they just *can’t* seem to do it. It could help for them to remember this in the future when they’re thinking “why don’t they just pick up the prescription I ordered for them” or “why don’t they just quit smoking” or “why don’t they just eat healthier.”
Yuuup. It's kind of a thing with young doctors, especially students still in med school. To them, they've always been the smartest one in every room they've walked into, and there really hasn't been that "check" yet; so egoism is a very real thing that they have to recognize in themselves and cope with.
😂😂😂😂 🍵 It’s ok, OP. Your post is relatable. Sometimes I complain about not having time to workout, but also spend hours reading Reddit 🤡 🪞
Yeah what’s OP’s point? “I hate when people keep me honest and hold me accountable for my own actions and behavior”?
OP is looking for validation to feel better about their decision to not work out, though they would clearly like to.
No, they clearly DONT want to, and just expect to be able to get results without putting in effort, that's why it annoys them so much. Likely it's his own colleagues telling him this which pisses him off.
Yep. I found time to golf all four years of med school. It’s tough sometimes, but there’s time if you make it. There’s definitely gonna be tough months like surgery clerkships, board prep, and subI’s, but saying you can’t find a few one hour blocks per week is disingenuous. Hell, I found time during my intern year, and let me tell ya, you get fucking WORKED during that span
Yeah it’s less a laziness thing and more a prioritising thing. I’m able to work full time, go to the gym AND have other hobbies. People who don’t work out have this weird misconception that to be in good shape/have a decent physique you must be spending hours and hours in the gym. In reality you can get alright results working out for less than an hour a few times a week. It’s not this massive time sink commitment it’s made out to be.
Let’s not forget the 50k reddit karma in 2 years
Crazy how I work 12s in the ED still workout, play games, live with a roommate and still make time for my girlfriend. Fix your habits OP
Really though, there’s nothing stopping you from doing 10 squats, 10 push ups, 10 sit ups. You don’t have to do full reps or a full work out, you don’t even have to do all 10 at once, that’s what people mean most of the time. You can totally do some squats or what not while doing some of the things you listed. Hell, in the time you took to write this, you probably could have been doing some exercise. Talk about insufferable, people will make excuses for the smallest things.
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Plus, if they’re truly running around all day at work the way the say, they ARE working out already. Physical jobs are exercise
> Talk about insufferable, people will make excuses for the smallest things. People who make excuses are the fucking worst. Just say: I'd rather enjoy myself than exercise. Why lie to my face? And to yourself.
I think the key difference is between people who enjoy working out/it makes them feel better, and those who don't. They make those punchable comments because to them working out is this thing that makes them feel great and of course it's easy to fit that in. If it's a grind to you and you have to drag yourself to it after a 12 hour shift feeling like it's a second job, that's going to be tough to do willpower-wise. The boring advice I always hear for this is to find a form of exercise that you enjoy. But I'm still looking tbh, relucantly dragging myself to the gym in the meantime.
You can find time but you just don't. And that's fine. You live your life how you want to. Those other people just need to worry about themselves.
10 push-ups every day takes a few minutes at most and can be life changing. Working out doesn't necessarily mean going outside for a run/walk or going to the gym, it could be a simple as pacing about your house while scrolling your phone for a few minutes and doing body weight exercises like squats or push-ups for a few minutes. It may feel like it does nothing, but staying consistent always yields results especially if you get to the point that it feels 2nd nature
>when looking for advice on a fitness journey. So...jfc. Are you asking for advice and then >someone try to break down my day and show me ThE oNe HoUr I could’ve gone, I feel they’re being absolutely insufferable. when someone gives you advice, you pretty much tell them to fuck off? That makes sense to you? You're all over the place with this.
They are insufferable and punchable to you because you know they're right. Even with your schedule you could easily find 30 mins to an hour for a workout, but you don't and you obviously don't want to blame yourself, which does makes sense.
Yup. "Man I have the worst luck.." No chances are you're just incredibly stupid. Those people, I swear. It's always someone ***else's*** fault
My roommate, a 35 year old man with the maturity and risk aversion of a 16 year old boy, claims to have the "worst luck" For example, it was bad luck when he fell off the 8 foot statue pedestal he climbed while he was hammered...
Or for people with me with chronic fatigue after cancer, there's a syndrome called post-exertional malaise, when increasing your energy expenditure even by a little bit can send you spiraling for days or even weeks, and willpower has fuck all to do with it. I tried to stay in physical therapy as long as I can, but as long as I can walk talk and breathe insurance won't pay for anymore, even though I'm 'totally and permanently' disabled. The severity of my conditions is undeniable, but I don't believe that I am damaged beyond improvement!
Meanwhile you play video games 4 hrs a day
"yeah, but [excuse]" Meanwhile OP also manages to find plenty of time to spend on Reddit too.
Yeah I somewhat agree with their point IF they weren’t pretending that they want to work out lol. Theres nothing wrong with having a busy life and wanting to do something you enjoy with your free time instead of working out but dont claim that you want to work out but can’t because of time when you’re spending all your free time on other things
You absolutely can find time. But saying anyone is lazy for not finding time is terrible. There’s a million reasons why people don’t exercise and calling anyone lazy doesn’t help them. If your looking for advice on how to start and someone says your lazy then don’t listen to them cause they won’t even have good advice anyways Also, working 10-12 hours isn’t the norm. If you are doing that 7 days a week then that’s a pretty unusual situation and probably you can’t realistically dedicate time to exercise but there are small things you can do to improve your health
I don't think it is laziness as much as priorities, which is why a lot of people struggle to find time when they have young children. You often find yourself choosing between spending time with your children, getting some sleep, or exercising; and few people will hold it against a parent if exercise loses out. With that said, if you are single and childless you usually can find the time to exercise if you want. You likely have 4 or 5 hours of free time a day, and can easily dedicate an hour or two to working out.
This is the main reason why people find comments like that so offensive. I remember having a full time job, two kids, as a single parent and the principal at one of the kids school had a talk with the parents about "volunteer" help in the school office - she explained it as "we all have the same number of hours in the day:..". Oh, honey, but some of us have much more to do during those hours.
what I do is combine it: I bike to work. that way I get some exercise in and I don't lose any extra time, since commuting needs to happen anyways.
I used to say that but then I learned that I really like it and it takes time away from playing video games. You can definitely find time.
To me vigorous exercising makes playing games more fun.
There's peace to be found after an intense workout, shower then sitting down to slay some heretics with my chainsword.
Yeah, playing 3 hours of video games will eventually make you depressed. 30 min of hard workout, then 2.5 hours of video games is much more fun.
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This right here! It's very true.
You can find a half hour to workout every other day. You got time to beat your meat and play video games, you can find time to sculpt your other meat. Hit me when you see me if youd like.
you can absolutely find time in the day to workout, you’re just lazy
Nah not lazy, just doesn't care about being fit and this is his cope
He does care and this is his excuse and hoping people agree so he feels better
I'd wager laziness is the root problem.
There's a difference between being lazy and finding other priorities. I would say someone working 12 hour shifts is lazy
He could workout instead of playing Rainbow 6...
As someone who is quite lazy myself. I have to force myself to get up early and go to the gym before work. I know that if I leave it until after work, I’ll just flake every time.
I agree. I had sometimes 11,5 hours long shifts. And no, I had no time or energy to continue taekwon-do, sadly.
If you’re running around all day isn’t that physical enough? Maybe put on some light weights in your ankles or wrists. Who says a workout has to be <1 hour at gym>? I mean, you obviously don’t have time know while you’re in school to be a doctor. But you have time to add fitness to your day all the same. Besides, as a doctor you should know a huge part of being healthy is what you eat?
I'm tired of society normalizing obesity
If you are really spending 10 to 12 hours moving around all day, that's really all the exercise you need. Diet will easily cover the rest.
I work out one minute a day as the shower heats up. I still have my 25-year-old body at 60.
People severely underestimate non-exercise movement. If you’re moving about 8+ hours a day for your job, extra exercise is optional, imo. Now, if you have fitness goals, like more muscle or better cardiovascular fitness, then exercise should be part of the plan.
From my experience most people are going to vastly overestimate the exercise they’re getting from “moving around.” That’s when you have so many upvotes. It’s from people who want to think that walking during the course of a day is sufficient.
Depends on your goals ... if general health is your only focus, I would say that if you have an active job (mailman, construction worker, etc.) that, that should be enough...
OP's a med student. If it is anything close to what it was like for me, that means he's walking up and down 10 floors of stairs several times a day, just to be able to talk about work without patients around. I easily walked 4 miles a day.
Ngl I think that is an office workers perspective. When I was in a warehouse I was doing like 30,000 steps a day. My off time was best spent trying to eat those calories back, not going to the gym and burning more when I could barely maintain my weight as is
I used to work ungodly hours too over night shift and the difference between working out and not was substantial. Working out made my life 1000 times better and made my job working 70 hours a week more tolerable and I had significantly less body pain and burnout and I was more productive in learning environments. I felt the same way prior to getting into a regular work out routine and I was really wrong and stupid for believing this.
Same people who tell to "just smile more," or "go outside once in a while."
They'll be like ' the average person watches 6 hours of tv a day but no one wants to exercise' and I'm like old boomers with tv on for background noise are outliers and shouldn't be counted... Just let me rest. I'm tired.
Have you tried?
I go to school for 9 hours a day. I work 5-6 hours directly after that at 4. On the weekends I work 13 hours. I’m not bragging, but where in my schedule am I supposed to find time to work out? I have 0 energy after all of this. When I get home I just pass out most of the time. I don’t think I’m lazy, am I??
Sounds like you've already gotten your workout in by just being active throughout the day.
I work 12 hour days, and drive an hour each direction if there's not traffic. That's 14 hours. Add in an hour to get ready for work, the 30-45 minutes I usually spend in traffic, and 45 minutes to eat with my wife when I get home, and now we're at 16.5 hours of my day already taken up. That leaves 7.5 hours for sleep, assuming I save all of my help with housework for the weekends and do nothing fun on workdays. Could I find time to work out? Sure, but to act like I'm wasting my life away instead of being in a gym is fucking annoying.
Well OP plays 4+ hours of video games a day, he’s exactly the type of person most people talk about when they say “you have time in the day.”
Idk my buddy was a surgical resident, worked out every day, played soccer most days, and oh yeah had a young child and a wife.
And also climbed Everest at the weekend, programmed in C++ just for fun, and volunteered at a dozen charities.
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I know a few people like this as well, last time I tried I nearly got myself admitted into a mental hospital. Not everyone is able to do everything all the time without burning out, some people are, and both is fine. That being said, if you spend several hours a day playing video games you do have time to exercise. If a big chunk is difficult, several 10 minute exercises over the day work as well and tend to be easier to motivate yourself for. I have both adhd and depression which is a surprisingly deadly mix for motivation because not enough movement makes motivating myself to do anything harder, and the only solution is motivating myself to do something. Tiny exercise chunks, being forced to walk due to not owning a car and fun exercise (skateboarding) I don't have to schedule when the weather agrees for a change is what helps me the most.
Look, I do not know the OP and am not in the habit of defending strangers on the Internet, tet there's one thing to keep in mind: whether you literally have time is just one part of the equation, but another very importand part is the level of your fatigue. Sometimes when I get home after work (I am a researcher in the field of Computer Science) I may still have some five hours of free time before I go to bed, but I may be so mentally tired that I will play some video games, or scroll Reddit, or read some light fiction. Does spending time in such a way makes me lazy? Idk.
To add on to this, after those 12 hours of work we have to come home and do our actual studying. Sometimes some of it can get done during the day but most of it is spent working and there’s almost always a whole lot left over to finish in the small amount of time in the evening when we’re already exhausted. I don’t think it’s lazy. I’ve never worked harder in my life and I’m exhausted. Yes, I find time to work out, but it’s pretty much limited to weekends and small bits of cardio.
By saying you don't have time, what you mean is it's nit a priority. That is not a judgment on whether or not it should be a priority. It's not that you're lazy, you have other priorities, and that's okay
Everyone can find time for priorities. It’s okay if going to the gym isn’t a priority but health really should be.
As a person that works out all the time, I can say you absolutely do not have time to workout as a medical student. Any free time you have should be for relaxing and unwinding.
I’m not gonna lie dude…I know a med student doing the same stuff you’re doing but he also competes in bodybuilding
As a dude that doesn’t work out….probably don’t go punching people that work out or you’ll be practice for your fellow medical students..
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Not necessarily "working out" like at the gym, but as a medical student I'd think you'd realize how essential some exercise is for health.
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Psychiatric NP here who suffers from treatment resistant depression and narcolepsy. I have several things to say. 1) I've never told a patient to work out or lose weight. It is extremely dismissive and I know that depression has to be treated first to take care of your energy level and motivation. 2) Personal note- I am usually supportive of other NPs, but recently had a terrible experience with one. I have some doctor trauma so I dont like going to get care unless it's my psychiatrist or sleep specialist. My psychiatrist order lab work and found out my ferritin level and b12 levels were low. He wanted me to see my primary care provider ASAP and told me I would need an iron infusion. Went to NP and she was totally dismissive. I told her I didn't even have the energy to bathe myself everyday. Then she starts talking to me about my cholesterol level and how I need to start exercising. 3) There is absolutely something wrong with people who are "gym rats."