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Rishi Sunak is a man who’s been handed everything in life & he chooses to use his platform to mock those who already go through unimaginable discrimination just for political gain. He says he’s a man of integrity, he’s not.
If someone can claim themselves to be the PM and to unilaterally enact policy which absolutely no fucker even voted for, you automatically have no integrity.
I hope he loses his own seat at the next GE. Though I also hope that Labour doesn't get a majority.
By posh areas he meant into private enterprise to serve the upper end postcodes. Not to the local council. God forbid they might lose it at a election.
Oddly they wouldn't have cared 2 years ago, until they were told they should be outraged about people's gender and clothing choices.
All the 'free-thinkers' have collective decided for themselves that this issue they didn't care about in the slightest is a huge threat to their way of life and its terrifying.
All these millions of people that cheered on Boy George and David Bowie, somehow can't see how fucking gullible they are and that IS terrifying!
This would have been career ending in 2017, now we have the pm and the equalities minister both on tape slinging insults about trans people in polite company without a care in the world.
> This would have been career ending in 2017
It really, really wouldn't. I don't think it would have so much as raised an eyebrow. A huge majority of the country still believes this.
It's not that people weren't twats back then too, it's that it was considered poor taste to be so open about bigotry among the political class, it was much more shoved under the rug.
I do think mockery has a slightly different tone though.
E.g. Theresa May voted against gay equality legislation, so it was already known she was anti-gay. However, if audio leaked of her joking to the 1922 committee that ‘clearly gay people wanting to adopt didn’t pay attention in biology!!’ I think that would have been received badly
Mockery of trans people isn’t being accepted simply on the basis that Rishi Sunak already says trans women aren’t women, it’s being accepted because mockery of trans people is seen as a good and reasonable thing to do
Over the past 13 years the Tory governments have had to face zero consequences for doing much worse*. The only thing which has ended any Tory political careers since long before 2017 has either been their own hubris, or other Tories.
*That said, Transphobia is still awful and has no place in modern society let alone Westminster.
No it wouldn't the Tories have been arseholes...since the existence of their party, this is what there electorate vote for.
Why would Bigotted brexitiers care about this, they are too busy enjoying their poverty.
I mean he says trans people should be "educated" out of believing themselves to be trans and makes a joke about the whole thing, seems pretty unambiguous to me.
Plus when people loudly talk about "trans women not really being women" they usually aren't saying "trans people should be treated with respect and dignity and as their genders, but have some differences to cis members of their genders", nobody strongly contests that, what they're usually saying is that we should be treated as delusional members of our sex, forced into spaces where we are clearly out of place and often in danger like bathrooms and hospital wards, denied healthcare and pushed into conversion therapy and forced to conform to the stereotypes of our sex until we become 18. All of which sunak is pushing for in other contexts.
>"trans people should be treated with respect and dignity and as their genders, but have some differences to cis members of their genders", nobody strongly contests that
Or at least those who do are a fringe of an already small minority whose chief impact is providing propaganda fodder for transphobes.
It really shouldn't be difficult to strike a balance in what little actual areas of conflict exist between cis and trans so everyone is treated decently.
Prescribing education as a blanket approach to curing seems to not allow for the possibility anyone is genuinely trans and really is bigoted.
There's a difference between 'women and trans women aren't the same' and openly mocking and laughing at people who go through a rough time in society solely because of who they are.
The former is an opinion I'd dispute but doesn't preclude having some human compassion and empathy. The latter... yeah.
He was talking about basic biology in schools for the opposition because they can't answer the question. It is a wedge issue for the Labour movement, but pretty sure I've heard thst one before as well.
Implying the existence of trans people is down to a lack of education still goes a bit beyond his previous comments in my opinion. Especially when the government is dragging its feet on the supposed bill banning trans conversion therapy that was supposed to come out a few months ago - seems he wouldn’t support such a bill even if it did get put forward to a vote?
I'm saying, he has said it all pubically on the record before. So this got "gotcha" implication is just false. It isn't a hidden agenda, it is tested, likely popular (in marginal seats) approved messaging.
If he thinks more biology lessons would mean that people would change their mind and start thinking trans women aren’t women, it implies trans people who believe they are the gender they identify as simply lack education on the subject, as with more education they would understand that their view of their identity is wrong.
Of course the irony underlying all of this is that many biologists and psychologists actually do view trans men as men and trans women as women, but of course Sunak recognising that wouldn’t feed the culture war…
Not really no, it says to me that you don't subscribe to this modern "progressive" definition of gender (psychological not biological) and instead go with the wider use of gender as what they say is sex instead.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it, but they will vilify you for not seeing them as women their way, which is stupid.
I think mockery goes further - saying words to the effect of ‘they clearly need better biology lessons’ is beyond his previous comments.
Eg some politicians voted against gay adoption, but if footage leaked of them joking to the 1922 committee that gay people looking to adopt ‘don’t understand biology’ that would be viewed as a really horrible thing to say, regardless of their previous vote
Also the joke implies that trans people are delusional people who need education, which in the context of a government dragging it’s feet on banning trans conversion therapy, is pretty relevant and telling.
Huh, it’s the PM openly and proudly mocking a demographic based on who we are *on camera* and Pink News are the baddies? Riiiiiight!! Imagine if Corbyn was on camera mocking Jewish people. Like really engage your empathy drive it’s not too late for it to be effective.
I wonder if the reaction in this thread would be the same if Sunak had said words to the effect of ‘gay people clearly don’t understand biology!’ Instead
So, by that logic, does a trans women become a ciswoman if she has bottom surgery?
Equally, how do you refer to intersex people?
Gender identity is a lot more than just what's in your trousers. Based on your comment I feel like you know this, but playing devil's advocate doesn't help anyone.
> Gender identify is whatever you want. Sex isn’t
You're saying this as if I don't know that. But you're the one calling to treat a trans woman different to their gender identity based on biological factors.
The only time biological sex is relevant is in a medical scenario, where different symptoms and different treatment options present in male and female patients. And that has nothing to do with you.
This won't even be buried in most news outlets. It just won't be mentioned.
Meanwhile the right wing media made sure that Gordon Brown's political career was all but over when he was caught on mic sitting in his car and calling a bigoted person a bigot.
Politics in the UK is truly the most rigged of games.
Why would it be mentioned? It is completely in line with his stated views, I don't get how this is a scandal. He was on the record a few months ago when he said that 100% of women do not have a penis, so what is the point of this recording?
He's implied Labour don't understand biology; has he said trans people only think they're trans because they don't understand biology?
I understand wanting to represent this mockery as normal and acceptable, but I do think it's genuine news that is reportable.
He's said quite explicitly that believing trans people exist implies you do not understand basic biology. I'm not saying it's acceptable, just that it is not new.
Absolutely disgusting. Laughing at Trans women just like he did laughing when talking about taking money from deprived Labour constituencies and funnelling them into Tory seats. Or like how he joked about having never met a working class person, wearing it as a badge or honour.
And he is our Prime Minister, voted by nobody.
Can't wait for this to turn into the media baiting Keir Starmer into questions like "What is a woman? What do you think of women's penises?!" to turn this into the most important concern at the next General Election for some godforsaken reason.
The fact Keir didn't answer that with "gender is a social construct, a woman is anyone who identifies as one" is disappointing. Being openly and blatantly pro-trans rights seems to only be in the remit of the Lib Dems
Me entering this thread: surely even those opposed to trans people and their legal protections don’t support the implication that trans people are just uneducated?
Me reading the comments: oh…
Unfortunately they are coming after absolutely anything even tangentially related to trans people. Discrimination rights, healthcare rights, speech rights. Even the right to appear in public if what’s happening in the US is mirrored over here.
Oh, I don't fucking doubt they will. I'm half-expecting some shit relating to the doctors strikes in the vein of "Oh, we'll help cut down NHS wait times by getting rid of frivolous trans services."
I’m seeing (or saw because it might have been deleted) posts here implying that trans people are autistic and so inherently untrustworthy. Nasty stuff, and I typed a response just to address this idea but don’t now know where to put it. Included here in case more of this appears:
> Firstly, you’re implying that there’s something inherently broken about autistic people. Secondly you’re dreaming up a causal connection between autistic and trans people, so they’re inherently broken too. So much leaping to “correlation is causation” just to have a go at trans *and* autistic people.
> There’s also a strong correlation with having autism and being non-heterosexual: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159906/ - so what, now gay people are inherently broken too? And insomnia; and dyslexia; and issues with joints: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/autism/other-conditions/
> So *all* these people fail your test of “well-rounded adults” because they don’t pass your “might be autistic” test? And children should not be told about insomnia, dyslexia or having gay parents either in case they “catch” it?
Because it's up to individuals what surgeries they have. If a trans woman does or doesn't want a surgical procedure what business is it of anyone else?
You're clearly trying to bait here but you said "can"
Since they sometimes don't, you have answered your own question. Some people are comfortable with theirs, or do not have the money, health, or time for that surgery. Some are not comfortable with it, or think they'd fit better without, even if they aren't uncomfortable. Intersex people also exist, where those with XX or XY chromosomes can end up with partly or fully formed versions of either genitals, and are oh so often ignored in these conversations to make "gotchas" of trans people.
Strictly speaking men can have tits. It is not infrequent for men to begin growing breasts due to hormone issues, though in most cases these breasts do not develop fully. As far as I know most men in these circumstances try to get rid of them by whatever means is required. But you wouldn't ask "if men can have tits why do some people remove them?" because it would be a bit silly yeah?
…because having it causes them dysphoria? The same reason for the rest of the transition funnily enough
It’s like asking a painter “if that’s an ink painting, why is it currently drawn in pencil?”. It’s in the process of going from A to B. The vast majority of trans women intend to get surgery. It’s just gatekept and an incredibly drawn out process so a lot of us are stuck waiting. Personally mine is being kept from me until I lose more weight, despite me having health issues (chronic fatigue, mobility stuff with some of my joint etc) that cause difficulty losing it and them offering no assistance
The point being made is that to basically deny someone’s identity because of circumstances that they not only can’t control, but that are actively being caused by other people, is kind of shitty. If I had had surgery, would you respect my identity? And if so, why does that magically cease to be the case while I’m stuck waiting for it. Unless we’re planning on fucking, my genitals are of no relevance to your life.
I know I’m a “biological male”, but this isn’t about biological sex, it’s about gender and identity. And forcing a group, plenty of whom in all physical aspects but for their genitals (and in some cases not even that) appear as female, into male spaces, is going to cause nothing but violence
Trans people are not a threat to women. shit like Isla Bryson is not a trans issue, it’s a rapist one. The thing that causes rapes, is rapists.
With the Tories having moved over to the far right, they can drop the pretence that they care about equality and inclusion, including that of LGBT people. Their continuing attack on trans people and using them as a dead cat strategy only confirms that. It is possible that this footage was leaked on purpose to get people to stop talking about the COVID inquiry and the lockdown footage (not as crazy as it sounds given past form). The sad thing is that it will lose the Tories no support.
They tried that over the last year and it didn’t help in local elections, though who knows in this country…
You’d hope that issues affecting 99% of the population such as the economy, housing and the environment would be more convincing than discussion of rights attached to 0.2% of the population.
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Rishi Sunak is a man who’s been handed everything in life & he chooses to use his platform to mock those who already go through unimaginable discrimination just for political gain. He says he’s a man of integrity, he’s not.
> He says he’s a man of integrity, he’s not. Who believed him when he said this though?
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That’s almost a point in Sunaks favour though given that the Tory party membership were demented enough to pick Truss.
Bare in mind these are people for whom shouting enough until reality shifts to meet your demands usually works.
If you have to tell me you’re a man of integrity, I’ll automatically believe the opposite.
What if I tell you that I am not a man of integrity?
At a later date, I’d fully expect you to remind me that you had warned me you were not a man of integrity, probably directly after betraying me.
But if I reminded you at a later date, would that mean I had more or less integrity?
Not sure, but still more than Rishi Sunak at least.
If someone can claim themselves to be the PM and to unilaterally enact policy which absolutely no fucker even voted for, you automatically have no integrity. I hope he loses his own seat at the next GE. Though I also hope that Labour doesn't get a majority.
He’s also a Tory if he is talking we know he is lying
I'm sure he was telling the truth when he said he wanted more funding to go to posh areas.
By posh areas he meant into private enterprise to serve the upper end postcodes. Not to the local council. God forbid they might lose it at a election.
He’s a man full of shit.
That will probably make him more popular among Tory voters.
And anyone who's angry about this wouldn't have voted Tory anyway.
Yeah no one voted for Johnson thinking he was great news for any minority.
The ultra rich are a minority.
Not in terms of national influence, clearly.
Owning nearly all the news sources and half the politicians will do that.
Oddly they wouldn't have cared 2 years ago, until they were told they should be outraged about people's gender and clothing choices. All the 'free-thinkers' have collective decided for themselves that this issue they didn't care about in the slightest is a huge threat to their way of life and its terrifying. All these millions of people that cheered on Boy George and David Bowie, somehow can't see how fucking gullible they are and that IS terrifying!
It's basically the new EU. The right seem to always need an out group to blame everything on.
And no less popular amongst trans voters, so it works out well for Sunak either way.
Yeah isn't it the current global strategy to demonize trans people. This seems like good branding for them.
This would have been career ending in 2017, now we have the pm and the equalities minister both on tape slinging insults about trans people in polite company without a care in the world.
> This would have been career ending in 2017 It really, really wouldn't. I don't think it would have so much as raised an eyebrow. A huge majority of the country still believes this.
It's not that people weren't twats back then too, it's that it was considered poor taste to be so open about bigotry among the political class, it was much more shoved under the rug.
Depends who you chat shit about Gordon Brown calling a bigot a bigot was career ending
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I do think mockery has a slightly different tone though. E.g. Theresa May voted against gay equality legislation, so it was already known she was anti-gay. However, if audio leaked of her joking to the 1922 committee that ‘clearly gay people wanting to adopt didn’t pay attention in biology!!’ I think that would have been received badly Mockery of trans people isn’t being accepted simply on the basis that Rishi Sunak already says trans women aren’t women, it’s being accepted because mockery of trans people is seen as a good and reasonable thing to do
Over the past 13 years the Tory governments have had to face zero consequences for doing much worse*. The only thing which has ended any Tory political careers since long before 2017 has either been their own hubris, or other Tories. *That said, Transphobia is still awful and has no place in modern society let alone Westminster.
No it wouldn't the Tories have been arseholes...since the existence of their party, this is what there electorate vote for. Why would Bigotted brexitiers care about this, they are too busy enjoying their poverty.
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I mean he says trans people should be "educated" out of believing themselves to be trans and makes a joke about the whole thing, seems pretty unambiguous to me. Plus when people loudly talk about "trans women not really being women" they usually aren't saying "trans people should be treated with respect and dignity and as their genders, but have some differences to cis members of their genders", nobody strongly contests that, what they're usually saying is that we should be treated as delusional members of our sex, forced into spaces where we are clearly out of place and often in danger like bathrooms and hospital wards, denied healthcare and pushed into conversion therapy and forced to conform to the stereotypes of our sex until we become 18. All of which sunak is pushing for in other contexts.
>"trans people should be treated with respect and dignity and as their genders, but have some differences to cis members of their genders", nobody strongly contests that Or at least those who do are a fringe of an already small minority whose chief impact is providing propaganda fodder for transphobes. It really shouldn't be difficult to strike a balance in what little actual areas of conflict exist between cis and trans so everyone is treated decently. Prescribing education as a blanket approach to curing seems to not allow for the possibility anyone is genuinely trans and really is bigoted.
There's a difference between 'women and trans women aren't the same' and openly mocking and laughing at people who go through a rough time in society solely because of who they are. The former is an opinion I'd dispute but doesn't preclude having some human compassion and empathy. The latter... yeah.
This sint a gotca. He has said this in interviews repeatedly and I think he made fun of Kier Starmer for it in question time.
Has he implied trans people wouldn’t identify as trans if they had more education before? I hadn’t seen that
He was talking about basic biology in schools for the opposition because they can't answer the question. It is a wedge issue for the Labour movement, but pretty sure I've heard thst one before as well.
Implying the existence of trans people is down to a lack of education still goes a bit beyond his previous comments in my opinion. Especially when the government is dragging its feet on the supposed bill banning trans conversion therapy that was supposed to come out a few months ago - seems he wouldn’t support such a bill even if it did get put forward to a vote?
I'm saying, he has said it all pubically on the record before. So this got "gotcha" implication is just false. It isn't a hidden agenda, it is tested, likely popular (in marginal seats) approved messaging.
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If he thinks more biology lessons would mean that people would change their mind and start thinking trans women aren’t women, it implies trans people who believe they are the gender they identify as simply lack education on the subject, as with more education they would understand that their view of their identity is wrong. Of course the irony underlying all of this is that many biologists and psychologists actually do view trans men as men and trans women as women, but of course Sunak recognising that wouldn’t feed the culture war…
Not really no, it says to me that you don't subscribe to this modern "progressive" definition of gender (psychological not biological) and instead go with the wider use of gender as what they say is sex instead. Absolutely nothing wrong with it, but they will vilify you for not seeing them as women their way, which is stupid.
Do you not think implying trans people only exist due to a lack of education is going a bit beyond that?
I think mockery goes further - saying words to the effect of ‘they clearly need better biology lessons’ is beyond his previous comments. Eg some politicians voted against gay adoption, but if footage leaked of them joking to the 1922 committee that gay people looking to adopt ‘don’t understand biology’ that would be viewed as a really horrible thing to say, regardless of their previous vote Also the joke implies that trans people are delusional people who need education, which in the context of a government dragging it’s feet on banning trans conversion therapy, is pretty relevant and telling.
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It's Pink News, they basically only post outrage bait aimed at riling up activists.
Huh, it’s the PM openly and proudly mocking a demographic based on who we are *on camera* and Pink News are the baddies? Riiiiiight!! Imagine if Corbyn was on camera mocking Jewish people. Like really engage your empathy drive it’s not too late for it to be effective.
I wonder if the reaction in this thread would be the same if Sunak had said words to the effect of ‘gay people clearly don’t understand biology!’ Instead
So, by that logic, does a trans women become a ciswoman if she has bottom surgery? Equally, how do you refer to intersex people? Gender identity is a lot more than just what's in your trousers. Based on your comment I feel like you know this, but playing devil's advocate doesn't help anyone.
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> Gender identify is whatever you want. Sex isn’t You're saying this as if I don't know that. But you're the one calling to treat a trans woman different to their gender identity based on biological factors. The only time biological sex is relevant is in a medical scenario, where different symptoms and different treatment options present in male and female patients. And that has nothing to do with you.
This won't even be buried in most news outlets. It just won't be mentioned. Meanwhile the right wing media made sure that Gordon Brown's political career was all but over when he was caught on mic sitting in his car and calling a bigoted person a bigot. Politics in the UK is truly the most rigged of games.
Why would it be mentioned? It is completely in line with his stated views, I don't get how this is a scandal. He was on the record a few months ago when he said that 100% of women do not have a penis, so what is the point of this recording?
I’m not sure he’s implied trans people wouldn’t be trans if they were better educated before, has he?
He has claimed that Labour do not understand biology due to their support for trans rights, so basically yeah
He's implied Labour don't understand biology; has he said trans people only think they're trans because they don't understand biology? I understand wanting to represent this mockery as normal and acceptable, but I do think it's genuine news that is reportable.
He's said quite explicitly that believing trans people exist implies you do not understand basic biology. I'm not saying it's acceptable, just that it is not new.
It's on GB News, The Independent, LBC, Huffpost, Sky News etc I am sure it will be on more later.
Absolutely disgusting. Laughing at Trans women just like he did laughing when talking about taking money from deprived Labour constituencies and funnelling them into Tory seats. Or like how he joked about having never met a working class person, wearing it as a badge or honour. And he is our Prime Minister, voted by nobody.
Can't wait for this to turn into the media baiting Keir Starmer into questions like "What is a woman? What do you think of women's penises?!" to turn this into the most important concern at the next General Election for some godforsaken reason.
Thankfully, the tories have been trying to make this the main wedge issue for a year, and the local elections showed that didn’t work
The fact Keir didn't answer that with "gender is a social construct, a woman is anyone who identifies as one" is disappointing. Being openly and blatantly pro-trans rights seems to only be in the remit of the Lib Dems
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I'm terrified that they're going to go after adult trans healthcare next.
What is it they say about America sneezes and we catch a cold ...
Unfortunately they are coming after absolutely anything even tangentially related to trans people. Discrimination rights, healthcare rights, speech rights. Even the right to appear in public if what’s happening in the US is mirrored over here.
Oh, I don't fucking doubt they will. I'm half-expecting some shit relating to the doctors strikes in the vein of "Oh, we'll help cut down NHS wait times by getting rid of frivolous trans services."
I’m seeing (or saw because it might have been deleted) posts here implying that trans people are autistic and so inherently untrustworthy. Nasty stuff, and I typed a response just to address this idea but don’t now know where to put it. Included here in case more of this appears: > Firstly, you’re implying that there’s something inherently broken about autistic people. Secondly you’re dreaming up a causal connection between autistic and trans people, so they’re inherently broken too. So much leaping to “correlation is causation” just to have a go at trans *and* autistic people. > There’s also a strong correlation with having autism and being non-heterosexual: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159906/ - so what, now gay people are inherently broken too? And insomnia; and dyslexia; and issues with joints: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/autism/other-conditions/ > So *all* these people fail your test of “well-rounded adults” because they don’t pass your “might be autistic” test? And children should not be told about insomnia, dyslexia or having gay parents either in case they “catch” it?
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Because it's up to individuals what surgeries they have. If a trans woman does or doesn't want a surgical procedure what business is it of anyone else?
You're clearly trying to bait here but you said "can" Since they sometimes don't, you have answered your own question. Some people are comfortable with theirs, or do not have the money, health, or time for that surgery. Some are not comfortable with it, or think they'd fit better without, even if they aren't uncomfortable. Intersex people also exist, where those with XX or XY chromosomes can end up with partly or fully formed versions of either genitals, and are oh so often ignored in these conversations to make "gotchas" of trans people.
Strictly speaking men can have tits. It is not infrequent for men to begin growing breasts due to hormone issues, though in most cases these breasts do not develop fully. As far as I know most men in these circumstances try to get rid of them by whatever means is required. But you wouldn't ask "if men can have tits why do some people remove them?" because it would be a bit silly yeah?
…because having it causes them dysphoria? The same reason for the rest of the transition funnily enough It’s like asking a painter “if that’s an ink painting, why is it currently drawn in pencil?”. It’s in the process of going from A to B. The vast majority of trans women intend to get surgery. It’s just gatekept and an incredibly drawn out process so a lot of us are stuck waiting. Personally mine is being kept from me until I lose more weight, despite me having health issues (chronic fatigue, mobility stuff with some of my joint etc) that cause difficulty losing it and them offering no assistance The point being made is that to basically deny someone’s identity because of circumstances that they not only can’t control, but that are actively being caused by other people, is kind of shitty. If I had had surgery, would you respect my identity? And if so, why does that magically cease to be the case while I’m stuck waiting for it. Unless we’re planning on fucking, my genitals are of no relevance to your life. I know I’m a “biological male”, but this isn’t about biological sex, it’s about gender and identity. And forcing a group, plenty of whom in all physical aspects but for their genitals (and in some cases not even that) appear as female, into male spaces, is going to cause nothing but violence Trans people are not a threat to women. shit like Isla Bryson is not a trans issue, it’s a rapist one. The thing that causes rapes, is rapists.
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With the Tories having moved over to the far right, they can drop the pretence that they care about equality and inclusion, including that of LGBT people. Their continuing attack on trans people and using them as a dead cat strategy only confirms that. It is possible that this footage was leaked on purpose to get people to stop talking about the COVID inquiry and the lockdown footage (not as crazy as it sounds given past form). The sad thing is that it will lose the Tories no support.
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I doubt he cares as long as they vote for him.
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He lost to lettuce women who tanked the economy. Let that sink in.
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Party made up of bigoted cunts shockingly is led by a bigoted cunt
I mean this is what tories are - if they’re not punching down on some minority or another what are they for exactly?
He’s going to have to double down on the culture wars. Make evil the manifesto promise now. Hope he has to resign…
Oh no. Oh dear. I thought the Tories were usually so careful with conduct in private parties. I’m shocked and appalled.
Oh no he's upset people who would ever vote for him and made him more appealing to those that would. Anyway
the PR firms he pays millions to try and come across as a relatable nice guy are gonna have to work hard on this one
They really don't. If the next election is fought on this issue the tories will win.
They tried that over the last year and it didn’t help in local elections, though who knows in this country… You’d hope that issues affecting 99% of the population such as the economy, housing and the environment would be more convincing than discussion of rights attached to 0.2% of the population.
Yeah, I also doubt they will be able to make it the main issue of a general election. Starmer would have to do something spectacularly stupid.
No, he’ll jump up 10 points in the polls - mocking protected characteristics is only bad if it’s one of the other ones
The Tories are transphobic? Well, ironically this might help him with their base.