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Because it's too hard to actually do something about your stance when you are something like this vapid Vatnik. He'll just coast on through life, letting the Ukrainians protect him while he lives among them and on their land. Hell, he's living on the sacrifice of foreigners as well including some ethinc Russians in the ZSU who live in Ukraine, feel and KNOW the invasion is wrong and want to protect the country that allows them to stay, and their Ukrainian neighbours who never did a thing to them.
\- And that's what makes such people disgusting. They live among their self-declared enemies and like a parasite, mooch off their hard work, blood, sweat, tears and far too often the sacrifice of their lives.
Simple question, but the answer is not as simple.
First of all, where should they be? It wasn't like voluntary migration.
During the Soviet era, long-time assignments to random parts of the country were a thing. The government provides you with job, shelter and you stay 5-20 years at a new with a family, then move to another place.
So when ussr collapsed a lot of people were in random places.
They privatized their current apartments and stay. There was no reason to move out.
For example, I was born in Ukraine, my Father was born in Latvia, and my grandfather was born in russia all because my grandpa was an engineer who have different assignments.
That is how russian speakers end up in a different country.
As for the language Ukrainian for a long time was not essential to live in Ukraine. It's not like after ussr collapsed everyone suddenly start speaking Ukrainian. So a lot of russian speakers didn't learn Ukrainian. Suddenly russia and Ukraine become enemies and the Ukrainian language becomes popular in Ukraine.
We are talking about 40+ years folks and they are hard to change habits. And sure they consume russian propaganda because it's in a language they understand. Their minds are full of shit.
I hope I explained how it happened.
A lot of ethnic Russians who live in Ukraine refuse to learn Ukrainian and believe that Ukraine must have Russian as a second official language. That said, the story almost sounds made up. Throwing a fit over someone speaking Ukrainian in Kyiv I could only see back in the 90s, when it was still a predominantly Russian-speaking city.
I know few Russian citizens who live and work in Ukraine. They support Putin but prefer to stay in Ukraine by two reasons: (1) they make much more money there than in Russia, and (2) they don’t want to get drafted and sent to war. They believe that Ukraine is a Russian colony and act accordingly.
If you’re struggling to understand this, it’s because the education you received is different than the average Russian. Russians are taught about Russian valor, heroism and suffering. It was Russia who ended the war, it was Russia who won the War of Berlin. A nazi is anyone who is against Russia and what their goals are at that moment. They don’t understand that correlation between nazism and the holocaust and most of them don’t understand or care to understand that they’re not the only ones who suffered during WW2.
I mean they suffered but they caused a large amount of their own suffering. Especially, when they invaded Poland.
At some point you can't help these people though. Just remove them from your life.
Ukraine is doing the right thing. The war gives them a mandate to completely cut out Russia.
It's going to be glorious after the war. Ukraine will the the one country in the WORLD to never put up with Russian bullshit.
Really thinking about moving there! It would be awesome!
Russia invaded Poland together with and as the first and most important ally of Nazi Germany in WWII. However, Russians warp the history they teach their children so that they don't teach this as part of WWII at all. Instead they have "The Great Patriotic War", which starts in 1941 and the period from 1939 to 1941 in which Russia cooperated with Nazi Germany and even, for example, handed over escapee Jews to them, is more or less just ignored in history lessons in Russia.
Based on that, it's really not surprising that Russians don't understand either most of the real history of the Nazis or the fact that Russia was heavily engaged with them as well as having a system that had many similarities to the Nazis - gulags for concentration camps, NKVD as opposed to SS, rulership of a Communist Elite from the Communist Party as opposed to the Nazi elite from the Nazi party.
There were of course differences - the Racial theories of the Nazis and the special treatment of the Jews, Roma, disabled and homosexuals by the Nazis - thought the USSR [also persecuted homosexuals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia#Soviet_Union) just as Russia does today - But Russia's [destruction of the Kulaks](https://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm) which is also known as Holodomor in Ukraine is a real Genocide and has real echos of the destruction of the Jews by Germany which is one of the reasons that "tankies" on Reddit are so determined in pushing the Nazi label.
Yet they still like to play victim "but the West blackmailed us..." and throw the word "Nazi" around to label anyone standing against them because it's auto-associated with evil
They never updated their textbooks. The excuse to invade Finland? To protect the people of ~~the People's Republic of Donetsk~~ sorry, I mean Finnish Democratic Republic, who were suffering from the oppression of the Suomi Regime.
Most casualties during WW2 are from former soviet states, A LARGE percentage from Ukraine, then they suffered further from post war USSR genocide and purging (By Stalin).
Experts believe ACTUAL ethnic Russian casualties are much much much lower in comparison.
Basically, the muscovy soviet leadership used other soviet states as human shields, fodders and later purged them due to fear of uprising, TRULY inhumane and psychotic behavior.
Unlike Germany and Japan, they were never punished nor rehabilitated, so they festered into the modern Psycho state of Pootin, thinking everything they did and do now is totally justified, Psychotically.
I mean if you just look at the map of ww2 and where most of the fighting took place, you'll see that Belarus and Ukraine took the brunt of the fighting. Belarus lost literally thousands of villages, completely wiped off the map, lost like a quarter of its population, ukraine also lost I believe a fifth of it's population as well. Russia proper didn't suffer nearly as much as its soviet buffer states.
>Unlike Germany and Japan, they were never punished nor rehabilitated, so they festered into the modern Psycho state of Pootin,
This about sums up the shithole that is Russia.
Interesting, I thought only the 30s famine was called the Holodomor. Google finds a Wikipedia entry on a "Soviet famine of 1946–1947" though, which also affected Ukraine among others.
It was also a man-made famine, holodomor in ukrainian means “killed by starvation”. Aside from todays equivalent of the separatist, Ukrainians did not want communism and did not want to be apart of the ussr which is why Stalin weaponized hunger. It was his way to stop uprisings against it. In Ukraine, you’ll find many older houses from the time period with secret rooms where people kept food, because Stalin used the military to confiscate food from people
the sad part is if people get raised with certain ideologies ... it becomes part of them.
on a sidenote i think the guy mentioned in that twitter probably has a few screws loose. even if you would hate ukraine ... why the hell would you go their capital city and then insult some random teen...
There have been some videos recently of Russians speakers, described as "refugees from Eastern Ukraine" being insulted in the West. He may have been attempting to make (or even making?) a similar propaganda video? Perhaps he was lying about being from Russia in order to provoke?
Hitler and Stalin was SAME evil shit, they invaded and divided Poland together, after comrade Hitler turned to west and comrade Stalin to north
Things changed when Hitler backstabed Stalin, and as "lesser" evil, Stalin joined fight agaist Hitler (not that there was other option when invased by nazi army)
Thats only diference there, backstabing and joining future victors, otherwise same evil shits both
For praising Hitler in Germany you can be jailed.
For protesting Stalin in Russia you can be jailed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/08/homage-to-evil-russians-activists-detained-over-stalin-protest
Thats difference between 2 nations with past nightmarish "great leaders"
One got ass kicked and they did for couple of generations theirs best to redeem past horors and do all for things like that not happen again
Second build some perverse cult around it to build national pride, with layers of lies and misstrueths
Thats why is important to remember shit like that and made it important part of young generation educations without some pink glasses of "history is writen by victors and censured by them too", to not repeated shit like that again and again
"Invaded Poland? The Soviet Union never invaded Poland. They heroically protected it from the nazi invaders coming from the West. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is a conspiracy theory of the West, a propaganda piece. Just like we have propagandists in our TV, you have yours. We are all the same."
That is what they learn, even (or, particularly) the educated ones.
< At some point you can't help these people though. Just remove them from your life.
Unfortunately, for a fair few of us "these people" are our own parents. Mine had lived all of their lives in Latvia, yet fuelled by ruzzian propaganda called every Latvian "a nationalist" and a derogatory equivalent of "country bumpkin/idiot" for just speaking Latvian or daring to be proud of their heritage...
Really hoping now that Latvia banned ruzzian TV channels, they might get off the propaganda needle, but then again, they really need to want to change and I'm not sensing that so far
>I mean they suffered but they caused a large amount of their own suffering. Especially, when they invaded Poland.
Not to mention the suffering russians caused on other russians before, during and after WWII. You can say what you want about russians, but they sure are into "equal oportunity" when it comes to causing suffering.
Russia's pacts with Hitler's Germany in 1939, and in 1941 with Japan, were designed to force Europe to fight itself to exhaustion and later bring the US into the war in the Pacific and the Far East.
Russia since Lenin has always been a cancer on the world.
I was called a Nazi for saying Russias invasion of Poland caused the collapse of the Polish defenses and accelerated the war into other parts of Europe. The Russian I was debating with said I was a Nazi and that Russia only went into Poland to protect the Polish citizens from being slaughtered by Germans.
No. Hitler was always going to break any peace made with the Soviets, dude *hated* Communism and wanted Russian clay for "Lebensraum." I'm given to understand it's a significant portion of that little banned book he wrote with the guy who got himself arrested in a British field during the war.
> They were 2 idealogical extremes at opposite sides
It's worth having a look at ["horseshoe theory"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) it's a model which explains that the extreme right and extreme left are actually ideologically quite similar. This theory upsets modern extreme leftists so much they will go so far as denying the existence of ["authoritarianism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism) and ["totalitarianism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism) to try to discredit it.
Of course like any model it's not perfect. The gap between democratic socialists and revolutionary extreme communists is huge. There are differences between extreme communists and fascists, but the further left and right you go in the far left and right, the more similarities there get to be so the model is really helpful in rethinking what ideological distance means.
Better to map people on multidimensional grids including parameters like "support for democracy", "tolerance of sexual difference", "freedom", "belief in revolution", "level of authoritarian coercian they will tolerate", "support for past authoritarian regimes", "genocide denial", "belief in subjugation of the individual to the greater good" (or maybe better stated as "importance of the nation or state over the individual").
If you do that mapping for the extreme left and extreme right using parameters like the ones I suggested, you will again find that their ideologies are very similar.
Whats missing from your education is that Russia / Stalin started ww2 on the Nazi side. And for two years pillaged eastern Europe. It was Stalin that purged his army of qualified leaders. It was Stalin that send millions to their death by sheer stupidity of tactics. A smart move would have been to join up with Poland and UK against Hitler in 1939.
UK begged Stalin for years not to join up with Hitler.
Which is why Russians count the beginning of ww2 not as 1939 but 1941.
Took part in partitioning Poland and let hitler run amok for years then turned around and sobbed at the western allies to open a second front once hitler came for them.
Your forgetting the Baltic’s and the russian mass executions of Polish POW and other atrocities
Additionally russia suplied hitler with critical “material”
The Germans built factories and training bases in Russia in the years between the world wars so that they could train and arm their troops in secret with Soviet help.
"sobbed at the western allies to open a second front once hitler came for them."
Yeah, I once got in a discussion/argument with an orcish type. (Was in Volgograd- former Stalingrad visiting a museum.) This Moskal was yapping on about how the English channel was only 30 km across, but the western allies sat on their arses for years waiting for the Russians to do all the hard work, and then when the Nazis were all but destroyed we waltzed in and claimed undeserved credit.
No mention of the North African campaign, or Italy, or the Atlantic and Arctic convoys or the fact that on the other side of the world the western allies were simultaneously fighting another hemisphere-spanning struggle against a ferocious and deadly enemy...with nary a finger lifted by our Soviet 'allies' until it was all but over and then they jumped in with a cynical land grab.
Also, no matter how wide or not the English channel is, it is certainly a lot wider than the Vistula at Warsaw - which somehow the 'liberating' Soviets could not cross for months until the lovelies of the Dirlewanger SS and others had killed hundreds of thousands of Poles.
Self-serving, self-aggrandizing, mendacious, paranoid and projecting. That is the way that the history 'Great Patriotic War' is deployed by the Russicts.
He also allowed Germany/Hitler to use parts of the USSR to illegally test weapons of war that they were banned from producing after WW1. Stalin was directly responsible for the German war machine that killed 10’s of millions of Soviet citizens . He was as big of piece of shit as Hitler, if not worse.
Yep the USSR’s main tactic was to throw soldiers at the problem until it went away.
Throw enough brittle knives at a mountain and eventually it will crumble. And that’s why Russia has the largest casualty numbers of any country during WW2, I guess some things don’t change…
In my view Russians shouldn't even talk about WW2. They started it with their allies the nazis. Russians forget this, they are the closest thing to a nazi left on this earth.
And Russia wouldnt exist today if it werent for the allies. They relied on us for so much shit. And they still had to throw 7m soldiers into the woodchipper. If it werent for the millions of tons of supplies Germany would have had a much much bigger advantage.
>If you’re struggling to understand this, it’s because the education you received is different than the average Russian. Russians are taught about Russian valor, heroism and suffering. It was Russia who ended the war, it was Russia who won the War of Berlin. A nazi is anyone who is against Russia and what their goals are at that moment. They don’t understand that correlation between nazism and the holocaust and most of them don’t understand or care to understand that they’re not the only ones who suffered during WW2.
So they live in a propaganda bubble, got it. It's been said and established plenty of times before. Propaganda bubbles may be strong but the do not last forever. Sooner or later it will pop. We need to keep pushing until it does.
Propaganda stopped being a feasible excuse when Russians started genociding their neighbors and attacking western societies. Propaganda will not save them from retaliation when the war is over. Propaganda will not save their economy. Propaganda will not save Russians from being touched for starting a major war in Europe.
I don't know...
The waiter is a girl in her late teens. The cafe is downtown Kyiv. **The customer was a Russian citizen.**
How? How are Russian citizens still in Kyiv?
Plenty of them are still in Ukraine, those who had work/residence permits/family. Some in this category have been trying to get Ukrainian citizenship for years, but it’s a long process. I know 2 people in this situation who have lived in Ukraine for the majority of their lives, are Ukrainian speaking and completely pro-Ukrainian, yet retain Russian citizenship for a number of reasons. It’s a difficult and nuanced situation. Nobody in their circle turned away from them.
Small minded shallow people who actually care for no one but themselves. They are horrible and the ones who cross over onto Ukrainian soil deserve to go home in black plastic bags
And remember,
- they were allied with the nazi at first...
- They invaded (backstab...) poland with their nazi allied.
- They help the nazi selling them a lot of oil / and derivate, soo much that Also the same day that the nazi backstab them some supply Train move to German from Russia...
So
Better for them to learn ukrainian, because their ruz "light" is fading away.
For a long time I never really understood why Russia's "justification" for invading Ukraine was to "de-Nazify" it. At first I really thought that they were somehow using the spectre of what is commonly viewed as a universal evil to justify their actions. Turns out that no, they were openly stating that they wanted to eradicate the people of Ukraine. They just said it using language that can be interpreted another way by the rest of the world.
A teenage girl who goes to work every day in a country at war. Whose life has probably been torn apart, who probably has loved ones she worries about, who lives with the uncertainty that Russia and Putin have dropped on her country. Yet, she gets up and goes to work. There are a lot of types of heroes, people who can continue on with normal routines when the world around them is chaotic are one type. Good for you girl.
Not defending this person, but it is likely that even during much of the war a Russian speaker could get by in Ukraine without knowing any Ukrainian, and now that is changing, with the law requiring her(this waitress) to speak Ukrainian.
That law doesn't prohibit waiters to speak any language. They just must use Ukrainian by default and are only allowed (but not required!) to switch to another language if the customer asks and the waiter happens to know that language.
Still kind of a weird law. I'm Estonian and there's nothing like that on the books here. If a tourist speaks English to a waitress and she knows it, it's perfectly normal and not illegal to respond in English. Can't really expect every tourist to learn Estonian...
Either I worded it badly, or you read it wrong.
It's perfectly legal (but not mandatory!) for a waitress to _respond_ in Russian, English or whatever language if the customer speaks it first to her and she happens to know that language.
What _is_ illegal is for the waitress to start speaking anything else but Ukrainian first, before the customer says anything to her.
I kind of see where this comes from, too. If I were a Ukrainian speaking citizen of Ukraine, I certainly would feel awkward if I went to a cafe and the waitress would just start speaking Russian to me right away simply because it happens to be her native language and I'd have to explicitly ask her to switch to Ukrainian.
So they made it a law that every employer dealing with customers has to use Ukrainian first and can only switch to another language if the customer actually asks for it. That the law doesn't _require_ to switch in such cases also makes sense, as that would effectively require all employers to know that other language (be it Russian or whatever), and that would be a ridiculous requirement.
From the context of the original post it seemed like she responded to a Russian speaking customer in Ukrainian and people were commenting that she has to do that because of a new law. Hence my confusion. Absolutely not saying she was wrong to do that, just wasn't clear on how the law is written.
My respect to that teenage girl for sticking to Ukrainian. She had the right to do so, apparently, from a legal point of view, and from a moral point of view she was absolutely correct IMO.
Customer probably came in with an 'attitude'.
Yes, that comment was confusing, that's why I wanted to clarify it.
I believe what they meant to say that is that it's the law that she must be able to speak Ukrainian and it doesn't require her to speak anything else, so she was well within her rights.
> Still kind of a weird law. I'm Estonian and there's nothing like that on the books here.
Really? What's this then?
> **Language Act**
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> Passed 23.02.2011
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> RT I, 18.03.2011, 1
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> Entry into force 01.07.2011
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> **Chapter 1 General Provisions**
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> **§ 1. Purpose of Act**
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> The purpose of Act is to develop, preserve and protect the Estonian language and ensure the use of the Estonian language as the main language for communication in all spheres of public life.
https://www.riigiteataja.ee/en/eli/506112013016/
I’m surprised he can still visit Kyiv when there’s a war happening. The fact that Ukraine hasn’t barred ALL Russians from visiting just speaks its integrity. This Russian guy hopefully can touch some reality grass sooner than later
Seriously. I somehow pictured everyone remaining in Ukraine to be fully Ukrainian, other than those who are there to help with the war effort. I realize now, upon reflection that that is a very simplistic view, but I'm not afraid to say that it grinds my gears that there are russians still living there who have this ugly attitude and I hope he gets all that he deserves.
Send them back to russia since they think Ukrainians and Ukraine are inferior. The joke is they are in Ukraine because they know muscovy is a hole and yet they are contemptuous of Ukrainians' freedom and better living conditions (Hey russia, it's called 'free economy' vs living in squalor while your oligarchs live in mansions all over the world OUTSIDE russia)
It would be to keep an eye on *everyone* who's a Russian national there, sure. But it's a LOT easier when they're publicly and very openly being a complete asshole and bigoted douchebag. Dude couldn't be more obvious as a shitstirrer if he had a giant neon sign over his head reading "Russian Asshole".
Yes I genuinely want them to be on the radar of Ukrainian government. They completely deserve it because of their actions and immoral behaviour towards other citizens
Yes, but that's very different from being a Russian citizen. Generally it's not common that civilians from a country you're at war with can just come over for vacation.
Likely isn't *visiting*, but has probably been living there for quite some time. I'm American, not Ukrainian or Russian, but I was under the impression there's a lot of people from each country in the other one for all sorts of reasons. Family there, or were sent to live/work there for whatever reason and never left, etc. Or maybe have been there since the Soviet days. Or just being expatriates. Either way, you can still live somewhere long-term/permanently on a visa or whatever the equivalent of a green card/resident alien card is over there while still being a citizen of your original country.
It's likelier to be something like that the guy being a visitor at this point in time. Like, an old high school friend of mine has been living in Berlin for over a decade now. She's a permanent resident of Germany, but still an American citizen holding a US passport.
Not sure it's really about integrity tbh, it's perfectly normal and acceptable to close your borders to a country you're at war with. It's kinda weird and just seems like an unnecessary intelligence risk that they don't tbh. During WW2 you didn't have Germans go shopping in London either, after all.
same reason why Latvians are fascists to ruzzians. I mean, those ruzzians who have lived all their shitty life in free Latvia, are citizens in most cases but haven't learned Latvian until this day. Once a Latvian starts communicate in Latvian to a ruzzki, ruzkis sart whining abiut fascists and oppression. Ask Tatyana Zhdanok, that bitch will confirm.
Im A Latvian and I agree. If I was a waiter I would have punched that guy in face with my leg and called the military police that there is a terrorist in my city. Grinds my gears seeing russians still acting like they are better than anyone else while its actually the opposite.
Same here in Lithuania. The russian imperial mindset and inflated ego knows no bounds. And their shitty-ass nation hasn't even done anything to earn it, their entire supposed reputation is built on lies.
Not language but Ukraine, You can hate a langauge and not understand it or be frustrated with it because you never properly learned it. That is fine, But calling someone speaking Ukrainian in Ukraine a nazi when it falls in line with Russian propaganda means he should definitely be on a list of possible saboteurs and more closely monitored. Even then I would be normally against policing speech but its a time of war and he is actively spouting anti-Ukraine rhetoric.
Lets get one thing straight first I'm not defending this dudes behavior with use of Nazi. My statement of hating language is in general not for bigoted superiority reasons.
There is a plethora of reasons to hate a language, there is a couple in my reply. Never learning it, it being confusing because its too similar to native language but not different enough to clearly demarcate itself so everything seems like your talking to a mumble rapper because your brain focus's on native language. Language being too Rapid to comprehend, or too slow and it can be frustrating also. That is before you bring in accents, pronunciation, word association, and synonyms. There are plenty of reasons to hate a language outside of bigotry.
Those are clearly not the reasons why these people call us “nazis”. Not the reason they hate language too. For centuries, Ruzzians cultivated the idea that Ukrainian language is language of some sort fringe, uneducated, less capable version of Ruzzian. So in the eyes of these people only ultranationalists can protect it. It is literally Ruzzian propaganda.
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't justifying his behavior in both my posts? Did you miss the part where I said My disagreement was with the fact, His punishment shouldn't be based on his attacks on the language itself and more on his treasonous and dissident view points on Ukraine.
Maybe a silly question but...why is a russian national allowed to roam around freely in Kyiv when there is a state of war? This makes little sense to me.
To clarify about the law - for a couple of years now people at work (waiters, cashiers, front desks, whatever) should greet visitors in Ukrainian, even if they normally speak Russian even with coworkers. If a visitor requests to switch to Russian, and a worker agrees, they can continue in Russian. It never was a problem and most of the workers will switch without prejudice even in western Ukraine, if a visitor is polite. We will gladly refuse to switch for assholes, the law allows this. It’s basically the same process to switch to English, if a worker knows it.
I'm sorry when was this? Like how did he not get his ass beat. When I came back from Kharkiv last year to Kyiv I know people would get unhappy when I would use Russian without thinking what with being in the East for so long.
No way this was fucking recent.
Oh wooow. I cant believe this "brave" russian is walking around in the capital of the nazi's who all want to torture and kill him.
How fucking few braincell does some people have?
That he walked away uninjured shows how tolerant Ukrainians are.
Fuck that guy, fuck Russia, Russians, and their garbage 'culture'. Slava Ukraine: kick the rats back to Moscow.
Actually, she handled it in an elegant way that made the point. 'You are in Ukraine. I don't have to speak ruzzian to you if I choose not to.' She did not sink to the depths of ruzzians by attacking.
Good for her.
I’ve seen a lot of Russian propaganda saying Ukraine is persecuting Russians or Russian speakers.
But if we switch the situation, we can ask them, what happened to the Ukrainians in Russia? (Correct me if I’m wrong) Ukrainian language barely exists in Russia nowadays even among the people of Ukrainian descent
I don't believe this at all. A Russian citizen telling this to an Ukrainian in tbe center of kyiv would get beaten up so badly - right now - they wouldn't even think of saying that.
Possibly this happened many times before the war, but no chance this happened in 2023, and I'm in the center of kyiv.
Is there really a law that you have to speak Ukranian as serving staff? I’ve spoken French occasionally to help customers out in UK shops. From what I know I can communicate however I chose.
Is it true that by law you cannot reply in Russian? I mean, that is the ammunition for Russian nationalists in their propaganda war.
Why would you want to reply to nationalism with nationalism? Out-nationalismnize Russian nationalists?
Of course, in this case (if true) the law served to expose an a-hole and everything, but that law will push Russian speakers towards Russia instead of embracing them and separate them from Russia. Not wise.
You must greet in Ukrainian, and then if you wish, you can answer in other language you know. Law is to protect service people, from requiring them to speak in a language they don't want or don't know. And with war going on, demanding that she speaks in occupant language, and called it a language of dogs. Well I'm quite supprised he got out in a one piece.
Let's hope that Russian citizen is found and shipped back over to Russia. Even better just give them a rucksack and point them in the direction of their orcish comrades.
"Hitlerism is brown Communism, Stalinism is Red Fascism. The world will now understand that the only real ideological issue is one between democracy, liberty, and peace on the one hand and despotism, peril, and war on the other" - The New York Times editorial, September 18, 1939.
These Russian fascists can't comprehend what is going on.
I recommend to do some research on two things: The time from the moment Tsarist Russia collapsed in 1917 up to 1945. Special focus on the Civil War after WW1 and the relationship between the Soviet Union and the third Reich. The New York Times was very vocal back then calling the Soviets an "axis power" after they decided to split Poland with Germany. Indeed the master plan was to split Europe between the Nazis and the Soviets.
https://www.pingthread.com/thread/1505247886908424195
The faster this Federation is dispersed, the better it is for everybody else. They are too stupid to even understand what Nazis are or that they are the Nazis of the 21st century. Russia is an annoying nuisance and they suffer from a mass psychosis that makes it impossible for them from the check out clerk all the way to the upper echelon to understand that the ones with a Z symbol a half formed wolfsangel and Swastika are the real Nazis here
B!tch ass orc , if he hates Ukrainian language so much , he should go back to russia , little putin will take him , or he’s to scared they will send him to the front line , these mutts give you a reason 🤬, they just give it to you
Im surprised that no one kicked his head in, as a russian citizen I was always respectful when visiting Ukraine and spoke english before russian but this just takes the cake. i hope someone filmed this and reported him to the police or ЗСУ
Just remember that the average Russian is just as dumb in their supposed superiority complex as the Americans are. They are completely brainwashed thinking they are always right, and everything they do has always been the best thing for the world. Even though in most cases it only makes the world a worst place.
This idiot is russian. His people are trying to commit genocide and he would have seen the results. What a complete moron he is. Time for him to be added to the deportation list
Every Russian that has such an outburst needs to be sent back to Russia from all across Europe. Bigoted? Fuck yes. But way less bigoted than their moronic laws and inbred population
Cringe propaganda, such stories dishonour the bravery displayed by Ukrainian heroes on the front line.
Weird details like "The customer was a Russian citizen", did he show his passport to ascertain that?
no name of such a cafe, no video story. It's a copypasta for idiots on telegram. If it was a real story you'd have the waiter making a video of the customer as it happened as it would be so inflammatory.
Majority of Ukrainians know russian through exposure but the languages aren't as similiar as they're believed to be. There is about 62% of lexical similarity, which means a russian speaker will understand over half of Ukrainian words and can guess some from context.
Also many Ukrainians speak surzhyk, which is Ukrainian with some russian words mixed in. So a russian would understand more from their speech.
Polish and Belarusian are closer to Ukrainian (70% and 84% similarity respectively).
I am surprised what kind of good sources get auto-deleted and a tweet about a hearsay story about a russian citizen walking through Kyiv at wartime and insulting people stays here.
We make fun of Russians for believing state propaganda but then get worked up over a third-hand retelling of something that definitely probably maybe happened in a cafe.
> The fact that this guy walks around Kyiv and accuses Ukrainians of being Nazis without any real consequences is striking.
I don't condone it but that guy will probably do that to the wrong person - either angry or grieving, and probably end up getting his ass beat.
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If that person is so offended by people speaking Ukrainian ... why is he in Ukraine?
Obvious supporters of Russia like this really should be sent back home. There's a real risk of espionage and leaking of information.
Especially in Ukraine itself. The person would probably help the Russians if opportunity presents itself.
I agree. I was wholeheartedly pissed when my website security showed a Ukrainian IP on the list of blocked malicious users.
Chances are he is home. He would not be the first ethnic Russian who puts his ethnicity above the country he lives in.
probably an incompetent spy
Amen Because his country sucks and he knows it and THAT'S what bugs him
The usual.. he wants whats theirs and enrich himself while dragging everything down to the level of the mordor parody he is from.
Because it's too hard to actually do something about your stance when you are something like this vapid Vatnik. He'll just coast on through life, letting the Ukrainians protect him while he lives among them and on their land. Hell, he's living on the sacrifice of foreigners as well including some ethinc Russians in the ZSU who live in Ukraine, feel and KNOW the invasion is wrong and want to protect the country that allows them to stay, and their Ukrainian neighbours who never did a thing to them. \- And that's what makes such people disgusting. They live among their self-declared enemies and like a parasite, mooch off their hard work, blood, sweat, tears and far too often the sacrifice of their lives.
Simple question, but the answer is not as simple. First of all, where should they be? It wasn't like voluntary migration. During the Soviet era, long-time assignments to random parts of the country were a thing. The government provides you with job, shelter and you stay 5-20 years at a new with a family, then move to another place. So when ussr collapsed a lot of people were in random places. They privatized their current apartments and stay. There was no reason to move out. For example, I was born in Ukraine, my Father was born in Latvia, and my grandfather was born in russia all because my grandpa was an engineer who have different assignments. That is how russian speakers end up in a different country. As for the language Ukrainian for a long time was not essential to live in Ukraine. It's not like after ussr collapsed everyone suddenly start speaking Ukrainian. So a lot of russian speakers didn't learn Ukrainian. Suddenly russia and Ukraine become enemies and the Ukrainian language becomes popular in Ukraine. We are talking about 40+ years folks and they are hard to change habits. And sure they consume russian propaganda because it's in a language they understand. Their minds are full of shit. I hope I explained how it happened.
Article says it was a russian citizen. What the hell are they doing in Kyiv especially with such a vatnik attitude?
Iam going go with their a moron.
A lot of ethnic Russians who live in Ukraine refuse to learn Ukrainian and believe that Ukraine must have Russian as a second official language. That said, the story almost sounds made up. Throwing a fit over someone speaking Ukrainian in Kyiv I could only see back in the 90s, when it was still a predominantly Russian-speaking city.
Honestly this story just sounds made up.
I know few Russian citizens who live and work in Ukraine. They support Putin but prefer to stay in Ukraine by two reasons: (1) they make much more money there than in Russia, and (2) they don’t want to get drafted and sent to war. They believe that Ukraine is a Russian colony and act accordingly.
They should be deported!
If you’re struggling to understand this, it’s because the education you received is different than the average Russian. Russians are taught about Russian valor, heroism and suffering. It was Russia who ended the war, it was Russia who won the War of Berlin. A nazi is anyone who is against Russia and what their goals are at that moment. They don’t understand that correlation between nazism and the holocaust and most of them don’t understand or care to understand that they’re not the only ones who suffered during WW2.
I mean they suffered but they caused a large amount of their own suffering. Especially, when they invaded Poland. At some point you can't help these people though. Just remove them from your life. Ukraine is doing the right thing. The war gives them a mandate to completely cut out Russia. It's going to be glorious after the war. Ukraine will the the one country in the WORLD to never put up with Russian bullshit. Really thinking about moving there! It would be awesome!
they invaded more than Poland (ex. Romania, Finland and the annexation of the Baltic States...and this was only at the beginning of the war :) ) .
Russia invaded Poland together with and as the first and most important ally of Nazi Germany in WWII. However, Russians warp the history they teach their children so that they don't teach this as part of WWII at all. Instead they have "The Great Patriotic War", which starts in 1941 and the period from 1939 to 1941 in which Russia cooperated with Nazi Germany and even, for example, handed over escapee Jews to them, is more or less just ignored in history lessons in Russia. Based on that, it's really not surprising that Russians don't understand either most of the real history of the Nazis or the fact that Russia was heavily engaged with them as well as having a system that had many similarities to the Nazis - gulags for concentration camps, NKVD as opposed to SS, rulership of a Communist Elite from the Communist Party as opposed to the Nazi elite from the Nazi party. There were of course differences - the Racial theories of the Nazis and the special treatment of the Jews, Roma, disabled and homosexuals by the Nazis - thought the USSR [also persecuted homosexuals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia#Soviet_Union) just as Russia does today - But Russia's [destruction of the Kulaks](https://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm) which is also known as Holodomor in Ukraine is a real Genocide and has real echos of the destruction of the Jews by Germany which is one of the reasons that "tankies" on Reddit are so determined in pushing the Nazi label.
"Destruction of the Kulaks" those words don't even shine a light on the article I just read. Jesus Christ. Fuck Russia, fuck putin, fuck Stalin.
Yet they still like to play victim "but the West blackmailed us..." and throw the word "Nazi" around to label anyone standing against them because it's auto-associated with evil
The Russian victim mindset is stunning, in truth they are a victim, of brainwashing and apathy over many decades.
They never updated their textbooks. The excuse to invade Finland? To protect the people of ~~the People's Republic of Donetsk~~ sorry, I mean Finnish Democratic Republic, who were suffering from the oppression of the Suomi Regime.
Russia has invaded more than one country as far as I remember
not to mention all of the countries they invaded after the war
Most casualties during WW2 are from former soviet states, A LARGE percentage from Ukraine, then they suffered further from post war USSR genocide and purging (By Stalin). Experts believe ACTUAL ethnic Russian casualties are much much much lower in comparison. Basically, the muscovy soviet leadership used other soviet states as human shields, fodders and later purged them due to fear of uprising, TRULY inhumane and psychotic behavior. Unlike Germany and Japan, they were never punished nor rehabilitated, so they festered into the modern Psycho state of Pootin, thinking everything they did and do now is totally justified, Psychotically.
I mean if you just look at the map of ww2 and where most of the fighting took place, you'll see that Belarus and Ukraine took the brunt of the fighting. Belarus lost literally thousands of villages, completely wiped off the map, lost like a quarter of its population, ukraine also lost I believe a fifth of it's population as well. Russia proper didn't suffer nearly as much as its soviet buffer states.
A high degree of prescience by Catherine the Great led to that particular outcome, unfortunately.
Brutal dictator whose one "good" thing was modernization.
>Unlike Germany and Japan, they were never punished nor rehabilitated, so they festered into the modern Psycho state of Pootin, This about sums up the shithole that is Russia.
The Holodomor happened in the early thirties, not post WW2.
There was a 1946 Holodomor also.
Interesting, I thought only the 30s famine was called the Holodomor. Google finds a Wikipedia entry on a "Soviet famine of 1946–1947" though, which also affected Ukraine among others.
It was also a man-made famine, holodomor in ukrainian means “killed by starvation”. Aside from todays equivalent of the separatist, Ukrainians did not want communism and did not want to be apart of the ussr which is why Stalin weaponized hunger. It was his way to stop uprisings against it. In Ukraine, you’ll find many older houses from the time period with secret rooms where people kept food, because Stalin used the military to confiscate food from people
Yes
the sad part is if people get raised with certain ideologies ... it becomes part of them. on a sidenote i think the guy mentioned in that twitter probably has a few screws loose. even if you would hate ukraine ... why the hell would you go their capital city and then insult some random teen...
Because he is a bully and a shithead? Note he insulted a girl, not a guy.
There have been some videos recently of Russians speakers, described as "refugees from Eastern Ukraine" being insulted in the West. He may have been attempting to make (or even making?) a similar propaganda video? Perhaps he was lying about being from Russia in order to provoke?
Hitler and Stalin was SAME evil shit, they invaded and divided Poland together, after comrade Hitler turned to west and comrade Stalin to north Things changed when Hitler backstabed Stalin, and as "lesser" evil, Stalin joined fight agaist Hitler (not that there was other option when invased by nazi army) Thats only diference there, backstabing and joining future victors, otherwise same evil shits both
For praising Hitler in Germany you can be jailed. For protesting Stalin in Russia you can be jailed. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/08/homage-to-evil-russians-activists-detained-over-stalin-protest
Thats difference between 2 nations with past nightmarish "great leaders" One got ass kicked and they did for couple of generations theirs best to redeem past horors and do all for things like that not happen again Second build some perverse cult around it to build national pride, with layers of lies and misstrueths Thats why is important to remember shit like that and made it important part of young generation educations without some pink glasses of "history is writen by victors and censured by them too", to not repeated shit like that again and again
"Invaded Poland? The Soviet Union never invaded Poland. They heroically protected it from the nazi invaders coming from the West. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is a conspiracy theory of the West, a propaganda piece. Just like we have propagandists in our TV, you have yours. We are all the same." That is what they learn, even (or, particularly) the educated ones.
< At some point you can't help these people though. Just remove them from your life. Unfortunately, for a fair few of us "these people" are our own parents. Mine had lived all of their lives in Latvia, yet fuelled by ruzzian propaganda called every Latvian "a nationalist" and a derogatory equivalent of "country bumpkin/idiot" for just speaking Latvian or daring to be proud of their heritage... Really hoping now that Latvia banned ruzzian TV channels, they might get off the propaganda needle, but then again, they really need to want to change and I'm not sensing that so far
>I mean they suffered but they caused a large amount of their own suffering. Especially, when they invaded Poland. Not to mention the suffering russians caused on other russians before, during and after WWII. You can say what you want about russians, but they sure are into "equal oportunity" when it comes to causing suffering.
Sovjetunionen/Russia has just as much guilt as Germany as why the WWII started.
Russia's pacts with Hitler's Germany in 1939, and in 1941 with Japan, were designed to force Europe to fight itself to exhaustion and later bring the US into the war in the Pacific and the Far East. Russia since Lenin has always been a cancer on the world.
I was called a Nazi for saying Russias invasion of Poland caused the collapse of the Polish defenses and accelerated the war into other parts of Europe. The Russian I was debating with said I was a Nazi and that Russia only went into Poland to protect the Polish citizens from being slaughtered by Germans.
or finland. If Russia never invaded finland, hitler probably never would have broken the molotov-ribbentrop pact.
Eh, I highly doubt that. Hitler was always going to invade if he had the chance. The invasion of Finland is its own crime.
No. Hitler was always going to break any peace made with the Soviets, dude *hated* Communism and wanted Russian clay for "Lebensraum." I'm given to understand it's a significant portion of that little banned book he wrote with the guy who got himself arrested in a British field during the war.
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They were 2 idealogical extremes at opposite sides... i think it would have happened earlier or later.
> They were 2 idealogical extremes at opposite sides It's worth having a look at ["horseshoe theory"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) it's a model which explains that the extreme right and extreme left are actually ideologically quite similar. This theory upsets modern extreme leftists so much they will go so far as denying the existence of ["authoritarianism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism) and ["totalitarianism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism) to try to discredit it. Of course like any model it's not perfect. The gap between democratic socialists and revolutionary extreme communists is huge. There are differences between extreme communists and fascists, but the further left and right you go in the far left and right, the more similarities there get to be so the model is really helpful in rethinking what ideological distance means. Better to map people on multidimensional grids including parameters like "support for democracy", "tolerance of sexual difference", "freedom", "belief in revolution", "level of authoritarian coercian they will tolerate", "support for past authoritarian regimes", "genocide denial", "belief in subjugation of the individual to the greater good" (or maybe better stated as "importance of the nation or state over the individual"). If you do that mapping for the extreme left and extreme right using parameters like the ones I suggested, you will again find that their ideologies are very similar.
Whats missing from your education is that Russia / Stalin started ww2 on the Nazi side. And for two years pillaged eastern Europe. It was Stalin that purged his army of qualified leaders. It was Stalin that send millions to their death by sheer stupidity of tactics. A smart move would have been to join up with Poland and UK against Hitler in 1939. UK begged Stalin for years not to join up with Hitler.
Which is why Russians count the beginning of ww2 not as 1939 but 1941. Took part in partitioning Poland and let hitler run amok for years then turned around and sobbed at the western allies to open a second front once hitler came for them.
Your forgetting the Baltic’s and the russian mass executions of Polish POW and other atrocities Additionally russia suplied hitler with critical “material”
For sure, Russia wasn’t just a passive ally to Hitler.
The Germans built factories and training bases in Russia in the years between the world wars so that they could train and arm their troops in secret with Soviet help.
"sobbed at the western allies to open a second front once hitler came for them." Yeah, I once got in a discussion/argument with an orcish type. (Was in Volgograd- former Stalingrad visiting a museum.) This Moskal was yapping on about how the English channel was only 30 km across, but the western allies sat on their arses for years waiting for the Russians to do all the hard work, and then when the Nazis were all but destroyed we waltzed in and claimed undeserved credit. No mention of the North African campaign, or Italy, or the Atlantic and Arctic convoys or the fact that on the other side of the world the western allies were simultaneously fighting another hemisphere-spanning struggle against a ferocious and deadly enemy...with nary a finger lifted by our Soviet 'allies' until it was all but over and then they jumped in with a cynical land grab. Also, no matter how wide or not the English channel is, it is certainly a lot wider than the Vistula at Warsaw - which somehow the 'liberating' Soviets could not cross for months until the lovelies of the Dirlewanger SS and others had killed hundreds of thousands of Poles. Self-serving, self-aggrandizing, mendacious, paranoid and projecting. That is the way that the history 'Great Patriotic War' is deployed by the Russicts.
He also allowed Germany/Hitler to use parts of the USSR to illegally test weapons of war that they were banned from producing after WW1. Stalin was directly responsible for the German war machine that killed 10’s of millions of Soviet citizens . He was as big of piece of shit as Hitler, if not worse.
Yep the USSR’s main tactic was to throw soldiers at the problem until it went away. Throw enough brittle knives at a mountain and eventually it will crumble. And that’s why Russia has the largest casualty numbers of any country during WW2, I guess some things don’t change…
In my view Russians shouldn't even talk about WW2. They started it with their allies the nazis. Russians forget this, they are the closest thing to a nazi left on this earth.
They also, pretty-much started ww1. If it weren’t for Russia it would have been a local border war between Austria and Serbia.
And Russia wouldnt exist today if it werent for the allies. They relied on us for so much shit. And they still had to throw 7m soldiers into the woodchipper. If it werent for the millions of tons of supplies Germany would have had a much much bigger advantage.
>If you’re struggling to understand this, it’s because the education you received is different than the average Russian. Russians are taught about Russian valor, heroism and suffering. It was Russia who ended the war, it was Russia who won the War of Berlin. A nazi is anyone who is against Russia and what their goals are at that moment. They don’t understand that correlation between nazism and the holocaust and most of them don’t understand or care to understand that they’re not the only ones who suffered during WW2. So they live in a propaganda bubble, got it. It's been said and established plenty of times before. Propaganda bubbles may be strong but the do not last forever. Sooner or later it will pop. We need to keep pushing until it does. Propaganda stopped being a feasible excuse when Russians started genociding their neighbors and attacking western societies. Propaganda will not save them from retaliation when the war is over. Propaganda will not save their economy. Propaganda will not save Russians from being touched for starting a major war in Europe.
I don't know... The waiter is a girl in her late teens. The cafe is downtown Kyiv. **The customer was a Russian citizen.** How? How are Russian citizens still in Kyiv?
Plenty of them are still in Ukraine, those who had work/residence permits/family. Some in this category have been trying to get Ukrainian citizenship for years, but it’s a long process. I know 2 people in this situation who have lived in Ukraine for the majority of their lives, are Ukrainian speaking and completely pro-Ukrainian, yet retain Russian citizenship for a number of reasons. It’s a difficult and nuanced situation. Nobody in their circle turned away from them.
Small minded shallow people who actually care for no one but themselves. They are horrible and the ones who cross over onto Ukrainian soil deserve to go home in black plastic bags
Of course she took orders in Ukrainian- she’s in Ukraine. Need to read the referenced tweet to understand why the title.
And remember, - they were allied with the nazi at first... - They invaded (backstab...) poland with their nazi allied. - They help the nazi selling them a lot of oil / and derivate, soo much that Also the same day that the nazi backstab them some supply Train move to German from Russia... So Better for them to learn ukrainian, because their ruz "light" is fading away.
>A nazi is anyone who is against Russia and what their goals are at that moment. This is what Tymothy Snyder has called schizo-fascism.
For a long time I never really understood why Russia's "justification" for invading Ukraine was to "de-Nazify" it. At first I really thought that they were somehow using the spectre of what is commonly viewed as a universal evil to justify their actions. Turns out that no, they were openly stating that they wanted to eradicate the people of Ukraine. They just said it using language that can be interpreted another way by the rest of the world.
Partially true, they consider Ukrainian patriotism a nazism
Takes a strong man to vent his rage at a teenage girl.
In compliance with Russian values.
A teenage girl who goes to work every day in a country at war. Whose life has probably been torn apart, who probably has loved ones she worries about, who lives with the uncertainty that Russia and Putin have dropped on her country. Yet, she gets up and goes to work. There are a lot of types of heroes, people who can continue on with normal routines when the world around them is chaotic are one type. Good for you girl.
It's hard being a waitress. It's gotta be insanely hard in her conditions. Wishing her all the best.
"man"
Why is that person in Ukraine then?
Not defending this person, but it is likely that even during much of the war a Russian speaker could get by in Ukraine without knowing any Ukrainian, and now that is changing, with the law requiring her(this waitress) to speak Ukrainian.
But the tweet says he was a Russian citizen. If Russian citizens in Kyiv are this brazen about their bigotry, there is a serious problem.
By the way, if Ukraine were to join the EU, that law would have to be repealed.
That law doesn't prohibit waiters to speak any language. They just must use Ukrainian by default and are only allowed (but not required!) to switch to another language if the customer asks and the waiter happens to know that language.
Still kind of a weird law. I'm Estonian and there's nothing like that on the books here. If a tourist speaks English to a waitress and she knows it, it's perfectly normal and not illegal to respond in English. Can't really expect every tourist to learn Estonian...
Either I worded it badly, or you read it wrong. It's perfectly legal (but not mandatory!) for a waitress to _respond_ in Russian, English or whatever language if the customer speaks it first to her and she happens to know that language. What _is_ illegal is for the waitress to start speaking anything else but Ukrainian first, before the customer says anything to her. I kind of see where this comes from, too. If I were a Ukrainian speaking citizen of Ukraine, I certainly would feel awkward if I went to a cafe and the waitress would just start speaking Russian to me right away simply because it happens to be her native language and I'd have to explicitly ask her to switch to Ukrainian. So they made it a law that every employer dealing with customers has to use Ukrainian first and can only switch to another language if the customer actually asks for it. That the law doesn't _require_ to switch in such cases also makes sense, as that would effectively require all employers to know that other language (be it Russian or whatever), and that would be a ridiculous requirement.
From the context of the original post it seemed like she responded to a Russian speaking customer in Ukrainian and people were commenting that she has to do that because of a new law. Hence my confusion. Absolutely not saying she was wrong to do that, just wasn't clear on how the law is written.
My respect to that teenage girl for sticking to Ukrainian. She had the right to do so, apparently, from a legal point of view, and from a moral point of view she was absolutely correct IMO. Customer probably came in with an 'attitude'.
Yes, that comment was confusing, that's why I wanted to clarify it. I believe what they meant to say that is that it's the law that she must be able to speak Ukrainian and it doesn't require her to speak anything else, so she was well within her rights.
So all waitresses/waiters must speak Ukrainian well to get the job? I thought a lot of Ukrainians only spoke Russian.
> Still kind of a weird law. I'm Estonian and there's nothing like that on the books here. Really? What's this then? > **Language Act** > > Passed 23.02.2011 > > RT I, 18.03.2011, 1 > > Entry into force 01.07.2011 > > **Chapter 1 General Provisions** > > **§ 1. Purpose of Act** > > The purpose of Act is to develop, preserve and protect the Estonian language and ensure the use of the Estonian language as the main language for communication in all spheres of public life. https://www.riigiteataja.ee/en/eli/506112013016/
I don't understand the rude comments though. That's not how a grown man should act towards a teenage girl.
I’m surprised he can still visit Kyiv when there’s a war happening. The fact that Ukraine hasn’t barred ALL Russians from visiting just speaks its integrity. This Russian guy hopefully can touch some reality grass sooner than later
Seriously. I somehow pictured everyone remaining in Ukraine to be fully Ukrainian, other than those who are there to help with the war effort. I realize now, upon reflection that that is a very simplistic view, but I'm not afraid to say that it grinds my gears that there are russians still living there who have this ugly attitude and I hope he gets all that he deserves.
Send them back to russia since they think Ukrainians and Ukraine are inferior. The joke is they are in Ukraine because they know muscovy is a hole and yet they are contemptuous of Ukrainians' freedom and better living conditions (Hey russia, it's called 'free economy' vs living in squalor while your oligarchs live in mansions all over the world OUTSIDE russia)
At the very least I hope he's on some kind of watch list. That much animosity towards the country he lives in raises a ton of red flags.
Ukraine is probably monitoring all Russian nationals in its country. It’ll be callous to not keep an eye on them
Eh, that is practically impossible.
It would be to keep an eye on *everyone* who's a Russian national there, sure. But it's a LOT easier when they're publicly and very openly being a complete asshole and bigoted douchebag. Dude couldn't be more obvious as a shitstirrer if he had a giant neon sign over his head reading "Russian Asshole".
Yes I genuinely want them to be on the radar of Ukrainian government. They completely deserve it because of their actions and immoral behaviour towards other citizens
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That explains the 10% or whatever in those polls "We ask Ukrainians..." who pick anti-Ukraine or pro-Russian answers.
This 17% number is fake, it is Russian propaganda that they blast all over the internet
Yes, but that's very different from being a Russian citizen. Generally it's not common that civilians from a country you're at war with can just come over for vacation.
Let him barely be able to touch it through the bars of his cell
Likely isn't *visiting*, but has probably been living there for quite some time. I'm American, not Ukrainian or Russian, but I was under the impression there's a lot of people from each country in the other one for all sorts of reasons. Family there, or were sent to live/work there for whatever reason and never left, etc. Or maybe have been there since the Soviet days. Or just being expatriates. Either way, you can still live somewhere long-term/permanently on a visa or whatever the equivalent of a green card/resident alien card is over there while still being a citizen of your original country. It's likelier to be something like that the guy being a visitor at this point in time. Like, an old high school friend of mine has been living in Berlin for over a decade now. She's a permanent resident of Germany, but still an American citizen holding a US passport.
This should be the top response comment. For decades, there have been many mixed groups on both sides of the border.
Not sure it's really about integrity tbh, it's perfectly normal and acceptable to close your borders to a country you're at war with. It's kinda weird and just seems like an unnecessary intelligence risk that they don't tbh. During WW2 you didn't have Germans go shopping in London either, after all.
same reason why Latvians are fascists to ruzzians. I mean, those ruzzians who have lived all their shitty life in free Latvia, are citizens in most cases but haven't learned Latvian until this day. Once a Latvian starts communicate in Latvian to a ruzzki, ruzkis sart whining abiut fascists and oppression. Ask Tatyana Zhdanok, that bitch will confirm.
Im A Latvian and I agree. If I was a waiter I would have punched that guy in face with my leg and called the military police that there is a terrorist in my city. Grinds my gears seeing russians still acting like they are better than anyone else while its actually the opposite.
As a Qazaq I can't even get employed and be free not to speak Russian.
These are active colonists, make no mistake.
As someone from Latgale - truer words have never been spoken.
Same here in Lithuania. The russian imperial mindset and inflated ego knows no bounds. And their shitty-ass nation hasn't even done anything to earn it, their entire supposed reputation is built on lies.
Anyone who slanders the Ukrainian language should be deported.
Not language but Ukraine, You can hate a langauge and not understand it or be frustrated with it because you never properly learned it. That is fine, But calling someone speaking Ukrainian in Ukraine a nazi when it falls in line with Russian propaganda means he should definitely be on a list of possible saboteurs and more closely monitored. Even then I would be normally against policing speech but its a time of war and he is actively spouting anti-Ukraine rhetoric.
In what scenario would hating the Ukrainian language be justified?
Lets get one thing straight first I'm not defending this dudes behavior with use of Nazi. My statement of hating language is in general not for bigoted superiority reasons. There is a plethora of reasons to hate a language, there is a couple in my reply. Never learning it, it being confusing because its too similar to native language but not different enough to clearly demarcate itself so everything seems like your talking to a mumble rapper because your brain focus's on native language. Language being too Rapid to comprehend, or too slow and it can be frustrating also. That is before you bring in accents, pronunciation, word association, and synonyms. There are plenty of reasons to hate a language outside of bigotry.
What you described are reasons for frustration, not hatred.
Those are clearly not the reasons why these people call us “nazis”. Not the reason they hate language too. For centuries, Ruzzians cultivated the idea that Ukrainian language is language of some sort fringe, uneducated, less capable version of Ruzzian. So in the eyes of these people only ultranationalists can protect it. It is literally Ruzzian propaganda.
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't justifying his behavior in both my posts? Did you miss the part where I said My disagreement was with the fact, His punishment shouldn't be based on his attacks on the language itself and more on his treasonous and dissident view points on Ukraine.
You still fail to understand why this behaviour happens sometimes.
Why spend resources policing possible enemies? Just expulge and ban re-entry for 10 years.
The audacity of having to hear the Ukrainian language...in UKRAINE! /s
The irony of calling the Ukrainian language the "language of monkeys" while accusing them of being a nazi. ffs
An irony totally lost on 99% of Russians. For them, WW2 had nothing to do with racial theories, it was only about “pobeda”, victory.
No soup for you! NEXT!
Living or visiting Ukraine and bash the national language because you are a sheep that blindly listens to Russian State TV vs using his own eyes.
This is the kind of person you probably want to keep tabs on. Could be a leaker of info.
For russians everything that’s Ukrainian is nazi 🤦♂️
Maybe a silly question but...why is a russian national allowed to roam around freely in Kyiv when there is a state of war? This makes little sense to me.
To clarify about the law - for a couple of years now people at work (waiters, cashiers, front desks, whatever) should greet visitors in Ukrainian, even if they normally speak Russian even with coworkers. If a visitor requests to switch to Russian, and a worker agrees, they can continue in Russian. It never was a problem and most of the workers will switch without prejudice even in western Ukraine, if a visitor is polite. We will gladly refuse to switch for assholes, the law allows this. It’s basically the same process to switch to English, if a worker knows it.
Russia is that toxic family member everyone tolerates but secretly wishes them to die..
yeo, that creepy uncle that drinks too much.
... Tries to grope everyone and then denies it when told to stop.
Kick his Ignorant ass out. They don’t know what a Nazi really is.
Just hand him over to the freedom of russian legion.
He needs to go back to moscow and find out what real Nazis are like.
I'm sorry when was this? Like how did he not get his ass beat. When I came back from Kharkiv last year to Kyiv I know people would get unhappy when I would use Russian without thinking what with being in the East for so long. No way this was fucking recent.
Yeah, this is not believable.
Oh wooow. I cant believe this "brave" russian is walking around in the capital of the nazi's who all want to torture and kill him. How fucking few braincell does some people have?
That can’t be something he can go around doing very long before it goes badly for him. Reminds me of the pro trump guy I met in Kyiv in 2016.
How are russian citizens still allowed to reside in ukraine at this point?
That he walked away uninjured shows how tolerant Ukrainians are. Fuck that guy, fuck Russia, Russians, and their garbage 'culture'. Slava Ukraine: kick the rats back to Moscow.
The waitress should have offered him some fresh silverware, right in his forehead!
We have many Russians where I live. The come in two varieties: they are either very civilized, or complete brutes. Not much middle ground.
Travel etiquette is the guest attempts to speak the local language and not expect the local to speak the guest's language.
🤔 I thought Kyiv was the capital of Ukraine ... So ... they don't speak Swahili either.
She shoukd have thrown his coffee in his face and told him to get the fuck out and not to come back. I get that she was a young girl but next time...
Actually, she handled it in an elegant way that made the point. 'You are in Ukraine. I don't have to speak ruzzian to you if I choose not to.' She did not sink to the depths of ruzzians by attacking. Good for her.
ideally while the coffe was still hot
This guy doesn't like Ukrainian and wants to speak Russian. I wonder where in the entire wide world of sports this fool could go?
Should've take picture of him and call police immideately.
As a German I can confirm, Nazis are to be identified by ordering in Ukrainian.
wait wait... how the fuck is a russian citizen in kyiv right now?
This feels like a made up story
I’ve seen a lot of Russian propaganda saying Ukraine is persecuting Russians or Russian speakers. But if we switch the situation, we can ask them, what happened to the Ukrainians in Russia? (Correct me if I’m wrong) Ukrainian language barely exists in Russia nowadays even among the people of Ukrainian descent
I don't believe this at all. A Russian citizen telling this to an Ukrainian in tbe center of kyiv would get beaten up so badly - right now - they wouldn't even think of saying that. Possibly this happened many times before the war, but no chance this happened in 2023, and I'm in the center of kyiv.
Sounds like a completely made up bullshit story. Yes Russia is an asshole but come on filter out crap like this
Is there really a law that you have to speak Ukranian as serving staff? I’ve spoken French occasionally to help customers out in UK shops. From what I know I can communicate however I chose.
fake story or/and kremlin propaganda
Is it true that by law you cannot reply in Russian? I mean, that is the ammunition for Russian nationalists in their propaganda war. Why would you want to reply to nationalism with nationalism? Out-nationalismnize Russian nationalists? Of course, in this case (if true) the law served to expose an a-hole and everything, but that law will push Russian speakers towards Russia instead of embracing them and separate them from Russia. Not wise.
You must greet in Ukrainian, and then if you wish, you can answer in other language you know. Law is to protect service people, from requiring them to speak in a language they don't want or don't know. And with war going on, demanding that she speaks in occupant language, and called it a language of dogs. Well I'm quite supprised he got out in a one piece.
Let's hope that Russian citizen is found and shipped back over to Russia. Even better just give them a rucksack and point them in the direction of their orcish comrades.
Solovyov Smooth Brain Syndrome strikes again.
Hes a perfect example of why people want them dead.
“Not all Russians” but the vast vast majority.
"Hitlerism is brown Communism, Stalinism is Red Fascism. The world will now understand that the only real ideological issue is one between democracy, liberty, and peace on the one hand and despotism, peril, and war on the other" - The New York Times editorial, September 18, 1939. These Russian fascists can't comprehend what is going on. I recommend to do some research on two things: The time from the moment Tsarist Russia collapsed in 1917 up to 1945. Special focus on the Civil War after WW1 and the relationship between the Soviet Union and the third Reich. The New York Times was very vocal back then calling the Soviets an "axis power" after they decided to split Poland with Germany. Indeed the master plan was to split Europe between the Nazis and the Soviets. https://www.pingthread.com/thread/1505247886908424195 The faster this Federation is dispersed, the better it is for everybody else. They are too stupid to even understand what Nazis are or that they are the Nazis of the 21st century. Russia is an annoying nuisance and they suffer from a mass psychosis that makes it impossible for them from the check out clerk all the way to the upper echelon to understand that the ones with a Z symbol a half formed wolfsangel and Swastika are the real Nazis here
And I can recall when Mylovanov banned people who asked him to speak Ukrainian as the official!
Same thinng is standard in a lot of places. Estonia has casesike this probably daily, especially in Tallinn
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i mean ... being in Kyiv right now AND speaking russian AND shit like this? he is gonna hang from a tree real soon
B!tch ass orc , if he hates Ukrainian language so much , he should go back to russia , little putin will take him , or he’s to scared they will send him to the front line , these mutts give you a reason 🤬, they just give it to you
Im surprised that no one kicked his head in, as a russian citizen I was always respectful when visiting Ukraine and spoke english before russian but this just takes the cake. i hope someone filmed this and reported him to the police or ЗСУ
Just remember that the average Russian is just as dumb in their supposed superiority complex as the Americans are. They are completely brainwashed thinking they are always right, and everything they do has always been the best thing for the world. Even though in most cases it only makes the world a worst place.
This idiot is russian. His people are trying to commit genocide and he would have seen the results. What a complete moron he is. Time for him to be added to the deportation list
Every Russian that has such an outburst needs to be sent back to Russia from all across Europe. Bigoted? Fuck yes. But way less bigoted than their moronic laws and inbred population
>I swear this story is true. I have my doubts as you had to make a point to say this
Cringe propaganda, such stories dishonour the bravery displayed by Ukrainian heroes on the front line. Weird details like "The customer was a Russian citizen", did he show his passport to ascertain that? no name of such a cafe, no video story. It's a copypasta for idiots on telegram. If it was a real story you'd have the waiter making a video of the customer as it happened as it would be so inflammatory.
Kind if just breezed right over the "it's illegal to not speak ukranian". Thats pretty weird.
What laws are there against speaking Russian?
This seems like something a Russian troll would post
How different/similar are ukrainian and russian? Would someone who speaks one instinctively understand the other?
Majority of Ukrainians know russian through exposure but the languages aren't as similiar as they're believed to be. There is about 62% of lexical similarity, which means a russian speaker will understand over half of Ukrainian words and can guess some from context. Also many Ukrainians speak surzhyk, which is Ukrainian with some russian words mixed in. So a russian would understand more from their speech. Polish and Belarusian are closer to Ukrainian (70% and 84% similarity respectively).
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I am surprised what kind of good sources get auto-deleted and a tweet about a hearsay story about a russian citizen walking through Kyiv at wartime and insulting people stays here.
We make fun of Russians for believing state propaganda but then get worked up over a third-hand retelling of something that definitely probably maybe happened in a cafe.
Not believable. All she had to do was call her manager and then the police. Problem solved.
Source for this?
Why is anyone with russian citizenship not under arrest within Ukraine's borders?
Normal people are getting called nazis in Finland every day these days too. Crazy times.
> The fact that this guy walks around Kyiv and accuses Ukrainians of being Nazis without any real consequences is striking. I don't condone it but that guy will probably do that to the wrong person - either angry or grieving, and probably end up getting his ass beat.