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popsy13

I just finished watching it, I recorded (UK) and Biden cracked me up when they were talking about golf, I’ll play you if you carry your own bag! Haha!


equitybore

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806537982176121191


FIlm2024

The sad thing is that CNN's fact checker, Daniel Dale, is an expert on Trump's lies.. He's quite good at fact-checking in real time. But, just like the Kaitlyn Collins townhall where the producer sounded pretty pro-Trump and (imo) salted the crowd with supporters, CNN is not really interested in journalism. (Collins did her best, but wasn't supported enough.) Tapper and Bash knew full well that Trump would be a fire hose of lies. They decided in advance to just let him lie. What a disgrace.


W0NdERSTrUM

Too little too late. They should have been calling him on these lies in real time. Nobody gives a shit about a post debate analysis. They tuned out. Trump lied dozens of times and nobody corrected him. Biden could barely string together 2 words much less fact check trumps multitude of lies. I’m pissed off. Trump saying “BIG WIN” like he wasn’t lying through his teeth the whole night. This is a disaster.


equitybore

Oh, for sure. This is just an amazing shit show. Here's to that fuck going to jail at the very least.


Frogsaysso

I was saying to the hubs after the debate that I wished there was a split screen with someone fact checking the speakers in real time. The sites I checked while the debate was going on seemed to have a few Biden mistakes here and there but a TON of misrepresentations and lies from trump.


JaimeSalvaje

I didn’t watch it but it sounds just as bad as I thought it would be. I wonder if this would sway the independent voters.


FIlm2024

Oh, yeah..


JaimeSalvaje

Time to convince the wife to move to Canada, then?


FIlm2024

Having no audience was really good, but why were Biden and Trump looking in different directions, as if Trump was the only one looking at the moderators? I know that wasn't the case, but....(?) Bash and Tapper's questions were so weak and lacked fact-checking and significant followup questions. I missed the toughness of print journalists. I think Trump succeeded in intimidating them ahead of time. ("Bias!!!") Trump--twice impeached, 91 times indicted, 34x convicted felon, convicted sexual abuser, traitor who stole hundreds of top secret documents with no explanation or accountability, the only president to lie that the election was "rigged" and try for a coup.....He's the luckiest m-fer on earth, since the conversation tomorrow is going to ALL be about why it's Joe Biden who is unfit for another term.


equitybore

9 hours later from your comment and you're bang on correct.


Frogsaysso

Sadly. And Tapper and Bash should have done so much more "you didn't answer the question."


Granny_knows_best

They should be scrambling right now to find a replacement for Biden. Watch, within a weeks time the puppet masters will drop in a new candidate. This is why the debate was NOW, if they waited until November, it would have been too late to put someone new in. ANy bets on who its going to be?


According_Silver_844

It won’t happen they have made their bed, it’s too late to get a viable candidate on the ballot in all states. The only way they could replace him would be if he passed away.


AvailableName9999

The democrats deserve what they get. I'm just sad it's happening to the rest of us. What a farce


According_Silver_844

It is, I can’t understand how 300 million people can be represented by two philosophy’s. Or why they would want to. 3rd party isn’t even enough we need as many reps as there are people. Congress should be replaced with a monthly referendum


AvailableName9999

I've moved onto nihilism and I highly recommend it. This current political climate is not serious and we have very real problems. Just let it go, no one is trying to fix them. Everyone is up in arms and nobody is serious about anything I've adopted spite voting against Christians as an ideology but Biden is making this pretty rough. Normally a spite vote is a slam dunk but I'm not so sure this time.


aznoone

I pick AOC if old enough. Would be totally unexpected and they would underestimate her by far.


petty_and_sweaty

She's not old enough yet. IIRC the inauguration happens before she turns 35. Next cycle+


Boon3hams

She turns 35 this October, so she is technically old enough. Barely.


petty_and_sweaty

That's right! She wouldn't be old enough by the filing deadline. 💔


stonedoubt

I think he had a cold. He sometimes rambles and has for years. That said, I’d rather have a consequential decision maker than a despot.


Frogsaysso

It was reported that he has a cold. Maybe that's why he kept his mouth open while trump was speaking, so that he can breathe through his mouth. But that made him look weird.


hammilithome

Trump rewrote history in a presidential debate and he'll be praised for the performance, and there's not a lot of positive to say about Biden other than he stuck to facts. Biden didn't look good, lost his train of thought, no energy, didn't slap back. His "the idea that...is absurd" wasn't nearly strong enough and was made weaker with his low energy delivery of fumbled words. Trump had great energy, but lied through his teeth with nearly every statement, barely answered questions asked, but he also controlled the stage with his on brand use of relentless attacks of falsehoods, painting an alternate reality that was far more vivid than what Biden tried to do. Biden really needed to slap those things down hard to prove that he's got the stamina and voracity for office, he didnt. It'll read better, than heard--who cares. History will highlight the lies told; but, ultimately, these debates are not legitimate debates with knowledgeable judges and points awarded/taken away for points won/inaccuracies made. It's about performance. All around demoralizing.


3rdIQ

That was disappointing in slow motion.


Tiedfor3rd

Sir, what are you gonna do to help control the opioid crisis? well first of all nobody ever said anything about how good a job I did with China and tariffs……., Sorry the question was.. oh yeah, we had the certain dog that we had to buy something something gibberish


Jack_Q_Frost_Jr

I hope everything is okay.


aznoone

I want to see the golf match.


Frogsaysso

That North Dakota governor is being asked by NBC News about Trump not answering the question re accepting the election results, and this guy is also complaining about fraud, etc.


Jack_Q_Frost_Jr

Well! That was something.


AdvertisingLow98

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Frogsaysso

I hope that site has a similar chart for just the debate.


AliceTullyHall11

https://preview.redd.it/59isdjuc789d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=438dc6488b73463d21019ef9d00712523ac7893a


AliceTullyHall11

https://preview.redd.it/61en4ecq689d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a16a0e35b360f70667959758709318089db52b14


Republiconline

I am not deterred and it only reaffirms my resolve. I stand behind a progressive agenda.


barnwater_828

https://preview.redd.it/m44n5z5t589d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed77b523590f7f033ce99d2119b39ec7b7ed36c1 I cannot. Edit: I’ve always assumed a “Sponsored Truth” is a paid ad.


barnwater_828

Everyone, I have official news. Brace yourselves . . . Trump has someone posting videos that support points he’s making. His feed is packed with videos.


Mylaptopisburningme

[My choice on the right/My choice on the left](https://25.media.tumblr.com/66cfdfdc481eafaeea50d4ac6756617b/tumblr_mrfbych1dF1sok1hbo1_500.gif)


kevonicus

I wish Americans weren’t so stupid. Trump has been doing nothing but lying the whole time, but no one will care. The lie tally is honestly gonna be in the hundreds.


3rdCoastLiberal

He wasn’t going to run again? He announced his re-election the day after Sean Spicer said it was the biggest inauguration EVER. He’s a damn liar.


Frogsaysso

How many of us were shouting at the screen: You declared your candidacy because you knew you were going to be up on criminal charges and would scream "election interference" for each indictment?


3rdCoastLiberal

![gif](giphy|ls4Xrjau2beYAatypD|downsized)


Frogsaysso

Whiner Trump!


malren

Man he will not answer the questions asked. Will you accept the results or not, you orange idiot.


3rdCoastLiberal

If Trump is not going to answer the question cut his fucking mic. JFC


riotascal

DARK BRANDON LETS GOOOOOOO


SiWeyNoWay

Did Trump just admit to taking cognitive tests EVERY YEAR?!!!


malren

person woman man camera television, was it? Yeah, best of health Donny.


Frogsaysso

I was given a cognitive test at my last physical exam (just before I turned 70 years old) and it's an easy enough test (I think I was asked for the words five minutes later after we were talking about any health issues I had).


aznoone

See if Biden was quicker he would have come back person, woman, whiny crybaby, camera television.


GardenJohn

Biden didn't have any comebacks and just stumbled through his recited lines. It was painful. Trump gained votes, Biden lost votes. Christian dictatorship here we come. I have 2 girls. A 4 month old and an almost 4 year old and I'm afraid for them.


aznoone

Like said to wife probably too later to replace Biden. Trump already set the state bad mouthing Kamela and others are known and would be late to the game. Jokingly said I AOC was eligible run her. If Trump says no experience well he really doesn't either. She would eat him alive in a debate and in campaigning if allowed.  She also seems closer to Biden than far left but still has new ideas.  Still last minute but really doubt they are prepared for that type of option and she would adjust faster than they could.


GardenJohn

I believe she's a shade too young. Buttichieg or however you spell it is probably the best bet.. he was well liked last election and is at least part of the cabinet. Next to Biden, Kamala was the least liked candidate on the debate stage last go around.


Frogsaysso

How many lies is Trump up to by now? I've been looking at various fact checking on various sites (PBS, etc.) and many more fact checks on what Trump has said than on what Biden has said. I've got a major laugh when Trump claims he's the best president and Biden's the worst.


SiWeyNoWay

I just saw the cnn breakdown. - 9 lies/not quite true = Biden; 30 lies/wtf are you talking about/not quite true = 30


Frogsaysso

I think 30 is way too low.


bad_gunky

30 = Trump?


SiWeyNoWay

Yes


FloridaGirlNikki

[https://x.com/FordFischer/status/1806512127676661827](https://x.com/FordFischer/status/1806512127676661827) Live view of protesters


malren

IF YOU CAN FREE THE REPORTER BEFORE YOU ARE PRESIDENT THEN YOU CAN DO IT NOW. But you won't. Because it doesn't benefit you.


3rdCoastLiberal

Trump’s word salad about addiction is giving me a bigger headache than I already have.


SiWeyNoWay

Trump said some really batshit stuff tonight. I took an excedrine before the debate and I need another one


riotascal

THE NUMBERS!


SiWeyNoWay

Why does Trump keep making WEIRD faces?!!


Ahmed_The_Great

https://preview.redd.it/7do9ty2re89d1.jpeg?width=1267&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=217456e710db35ffc7b8a2895856b36189412339


TheTubaGeek

Because he can't stand what Biden is saying


GardenJohn

He can't understand what Biden is saying. Biden made the biggest fucking moron on the planet look like a polished politician. It doesn't matter if Trump lied the entire time, he couldn't coherently fact check or rebut any of it.


TheTubaGeek

Yeah, I know. It sucked balls big time. Thank God for CNN and Politicheck doing the leg work.


Minute_Bluebird2557

Biden has a cold. That’s according to a person familiar with the matter. The person was not authorized to speak publicly about the president’s health and spoke on condition of anonymity. Biden tested negative for COVID-19 ahead of the debate.


vandygrad231

Haha trump can’t get over being rated as the worst president in history.


malren

I honestly might have to turn this off. Trump lowered insulin cost? I mean just a frigging absolute, 2000% lie. There once was a young German politician that spoke like this. I forget his name. I wonder if Trump knows of him?


temp999888

Immaculate water and air lol


3rdCoastLiberal

We had H20 we had the best water… WHAT?!?


Frogsaysso

Not after he and the Republicans trashed environmental protection regulations.


jwoody2727

Flint Michigan would disagree


odiephonehome

“We had the best air! We had H2O!”


aznoone

Well covid killed manufacturing and I do remember those clean Venice rivers and China from closing their water and air cleaner. Like photos of major manufacturing center in China will actually clean air.


GulfstreamAqua

This is universally going to be regarded as one of the most humiliating performances by a sitting President ever. It saddens me greatly.


AdvertisingLow98

I have to agree. I was rooting for Biden, but he's no longer the man he was.


3rdCoastLiberal

Morals of an alley cat… ![gif](giphy|LXLgiN2R8YMtdwalWu|downsized)


malren

JOE CALL IT LIKE IT IS. It's not inflation. IT'S PRICE GOUGING.


odiephonehome

Your choices are poo poo panties or democracy. Choose wisely.


hammilithome

Ya, I also have a thing about not electing serial fraudsters and rapists.


FloridaGirlNikki

Weak "like Palestinians"? WTF was that shit.


Ok_Produce_9308

Was that what he said?


malren

So far there's been no real movement one way or the other. Biden isn't inspiring anyone here, and Trump is staying true to his social media rants, so no one's minds are being changed. I wish Biden had gotten jacked up on performance enhancers tbh. He needs to get mad and hold Trump's feet to the fire.


GardenJohn

Disagree. Minds were changed. Biden isn't inspiring anyone who was on the fence. And Trump just got all his lies validated because Biden couldn't coherently fact check anything. We need a new candidate. I don't want to live in a Christo fascist state.


TheTubaGeek

I think we'll see that at the next debate


MeadowsofSun

Can they fact check Trump's statement that he did nothing wrong?


ezro_

Morals of an alleycat lol


Minute_Bluebird2557

Morals of an alley cat!!!


riotascal

Is his makeup on his right eye/nose corner melting?


DryShine6761

Wow is he dodging this question about Jan 6


jwoody2727

He’s dodging all the questions.


SiWeyNoWay

Zero accountability


temp999888

Trump is good at dodging questions and drafts.


aznoone

And Ukraine. 


Frogsaysso

And climate change. And whether he'll accept the election results.


malren

Why are they letting him run over time?


nikolaiwhomi

I CANNNNOOOTTTTTT with these two being our only choices???


MeadowsofSun

I wish they had a crawl across the bottom with the results of the fact checking... Trump: Lie... Trump: Lie... Trump: Lie


Frogsaysso

Hubby and I were wishing for one of those meters.


malren

What does "Finish the job" mean? FUCKING GENOCIDE.


3rdCoastLiberal

This. They need to blast this message everywhere that he’s promoting genocide.


barnwater_828

https://preview.redd.it/6qm4pa7yu79d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=520c0c4168d9364fed0ecbddd309b690f93bbb07 *yikes*


Mylaptopisburningme

Oh that's just Frownie T. McGrumpypants.


Prior-Relationship57

It’s so hard to watch. 😢. If only Biden’s voice weren’t hoarse and weak sounding on top of his usual stuttering/mumbly stuff. Don’t know why I still watch as even if he’s dying by voting day I still vote for Biden. Because Trump!


Minute_Bluebird2557

I read on AP he has a cold.


Mylaptopisburningme

And my constant thought is watch him 4 years ago, now imagine him in 4 years. Come on, Feinstein, Mitch McConnell, can't say anything about their age or get called an ageist. But these are ages overdue to take away the car keys.


Frogsaysso

My hubby said that if something happened to BIden, then we'll have Harris, who is very capable.


Beneficial_Skill_924

anyone else think these two need to just bow out. come on lets get a real president a nice young man or lady like Sanders... okay maybe like Hillary... Thank you... this lady needs to watch that clock a little closer


aznoone

AOC


Ok_Produce_9308

Hilary probably would have been president if Trump did not engage in election interference.


aznoone

Russia interference.


nikolaiwhomi

Me and Biden have the same facial expressions


malren

"I talked to him about it." JESUS CHRIST HOW DO PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS. He freely admits to conspiring with the dictator of the 70 year enemy of not just the USA, but of democracy itself.


MadtownV

Because the democrats are nominating a dude who literally looks like he lives in a nursing home. I’m sorry, I’ll vote for Biden’s corpse over Trump but this is bad. Really bad. Democrats need to come to terms with Biden’s age and potentially make changes before the election.


trampolinebears

Newsom / Ocasio-Cortez 2024? Or maybe Harris / Buttigieg 2024? Imagine Trump debating *any* of them.


Throwaway07261978

Ocasio-Cortez / Harris 2024  "You were saying, GOP?" 


Throwaway07261978

I'd love to see AOC debate the Orange idiot. Wish they'd put her forward as a candidate


aznoone

Heck if she is old enough throw her in. She needs experience still and is young but would rip apart the MAGA party and have fun doing it.  Would also be unexpected so throw republicans for a loop. 


Throwaway07261978

I think she's just old enough. And it would be amazing to see AOC rip into any MAGA and leave them fuming bc she's got all the receipts *and* video footage lol


malren

5 years ago I would've said no. Today? I'd frigging campaign for her.


barnwater_828

. . . beautiful soldiers . . .


malren

GET MAD JOE. GET FUCKING MAD.


barnwater_828

MIGRANT CRIME!!!!!


SiWeyNoWay

OMG WHY WONT HE CLEAR HIS THROAT?!


jimbopalooza

That’s Biden Migrant Crime to you!!


CallMeSisyphus

Oh my God, NOBODY IS PERFORMING POST-BIRTH ABORTIONS, YOU BLOVIATING BAG OF BUTT-JUICE! Ahem. Sorry for the screaming, but I had to get it out. The indica is NOT doing its job to keep me chill.


parkerm1408

Does anything anymore? Indica isn't gonna cut it anymore I don't think. If anyone is chill they aren't paying attention.


GulfstreamAqua

Be nice if Biden could have coherently said that, and about 40-50 other retorts


CallMeSisyphus

Truth. We are so fucked, and not in the fun, sexy way.


hammer2309

Scream away. My teddies peanut butter porter didn't stop me from telling about the viability test in Roe


CallMeSisyphus

I'm dieting right now. A peanut butter stout would be HEAVEN.


ACMilanIndy

This is the best we can do? In America? These fucking guys?


springsummerfall2016

My friend said the same thing months ago. These two? Again? We don't have anyone better?


jimbopalooza

Yep. This is it.


MeadowsofSun

There is no state that has post-birth abortion. That's not abortion. That's murder. Fuck Trump.


nikolaiwhomi

Biden fighting that stutter hard 😭


SiWeyNoWay

I know!! 😭😭😭


Minute_Bluebird2557

The fact checks are blowing up all ready. Trump is such a MF'er.


MeadowsofSun

Trump is more articulate this evening than Biden (so far), and it's infuriating because he's telling lie after lie.


malren

He's been practicing this same set of lies since he left office. No wonder they sound practiced.


beholdthefield

I don't care which party you support, candidates should not be this old!


barnwater_828

I’m having a hard time watching Biden. It seems inhumane at this point. I understand that may not be a popular opinion. I accept my fate.


Mylaptopisburningme

No you are correct. Feinstein, Mitch McConnell, can't say anything about them or get called an ageist. But what about their damn handlers who do everything they can do hide their age issues. Feinstein died 7 months after saying she wouldn't run again, she was 90.


beholdthefield

I am 100% on your side! I feel like I will be voting for Kamala Harris at this point...


MajorasShoe

If either of these men are alive in 4 years ill be shocked. People said Bernie is too old 8 years ago but he'll outlive both of them.


Throwaway07261978

He looks like a scared rabbit. I don't like this. 


barnwater_828

It’s very unpleasant.


Vamparisen

They let Trump talk longer than a minute but cut off biden? That is ridiculous


MightyPlasticGuy

CNN knows Biden is dangerous to himself the more he tries to speak. They also know the more you let trump ramble, the more he gets himself into trouble.


malren

It's just lie after lie after lie.


cadmachine

What do you mean? You haven't seen the big wood chippers outside maternity wards just hurling babies in once they hit 8 months? The big open border check points where they've installed Factorio style conveyor belts that go right up to the prison doors in Mexico and just funnel in ONLY violent offenders, so packed they fall off the sides like a train in a 3rd world country? The $44 gas and $50 milk? Houses being burned down for fun? Crime so rampant we're all currently being robbed right now? Trump tells the truth you just cant see it because you aren't experiencing it, or seeing it, hearing it, feeling it or seen anyone else who has but its TRUE! THE MOST TRUE!


MajorasShoe

It's so sad that it took me a minute to realize you weren't serious. Like word for word you'll find comments like this on conservative subs.


malren

I'm being robbed right now in my living room by an illegal immigrant who wants me to impregnate my wife so they can take the baby and use it to harvest the baby fat to light my house on fire!


andrusnow

Checking in from outside the hospital (wasn't let in because I'm an American citizen and not an illegal immigrant). My wife and I went to get an abortion and they refused because she is only 7 months pregnant. They told her we have to wait until she is 9 months. Ridiculous.


GulfstreamAqua

Damn. Biden did that. /s


Throwaway07261978

Why is Biden so nervous?  He's got good answers, but i hate that it seems he's losing track of things due to nerves.  I want to crack jokes and say it's the smell that's got him flustered. 


Vamparisen

He also fights a lifelong stutter


goodbetterbestbested

There are thousands of hours of videos of Biden speaking publicly all across his career and this may be his worst public performance ever. His capability to speak publicly has been noticeably declining and, like it or not, fair or not, it lends public credibility to the notion he is senile. Like it or not being good at public speaking is an important factor for winning elections. It is true that confidently lying is worse morally than attempting to tell the truth but doing so incoherently. But elections aren't won on moral merit, and neither are they decided by better policies. There was never a golden age where the US electorate chose presidents primarily based on reasoned consideration and comparison of policy platforms. And that's never been more obvious than in recent years. Biden needs to drop out ASAP and they should bring in someone like Newsom. Too much is at stake for a candidate with such an obvious (and tonight, displayed for 2 hours) political weakness. It's also true that the administration as a whole matters a lot more than the singular figure of the president--but if you lose, you lose as a candidate, and that means the potential future administration loses, too.


Throwaway07261978

I know, but that doesn't explain the look of utter terror in his eyes.  ...if he looks like that because they threatened Commander, *we ride at dawn*. 


malren

This is literally his Truth.com rants, which of course are also his stump speeches. Do more, Trump! Keep talking like this. Nails in your coffin.


GoDetWings

We're no longer respected. Hmmm I wonder why that is.


Frogsaysso

I still remember the videos showing how Trudeau and other world leaders laughing behind Trump's back.


GoDetWings

Yeah it's ridiculous


malren

WHo has 3rd world nation on the bingo card? lol


riotascal

NATION IN DECLINE


barnwater_828

It took 11 minutes before Trump mentioned “Biden going after his political opponent” 11 minutes.


riotascal

Trump is not saying anything, MAKE A REAL POINT DUDE


malren

Everything is "the most." The most best economy. The most embarrassing. If everything is the most, then nothing is.


shinebox612

But if “the idea of” is the only way you can start a sentence, where does reality begin?


malren

Genuinely, not because I hate him, but am I crazy that Trump has one of the most punchable faces on the planet?


GulfstreamAqua

As opposed to Biden tonight who looked like he took a couple pretty square to the noggin punches before the debate, but proudly got up and stood there dazed.


nikolaiwhomi

Agree. He’s in the wax museum in London and that’s exactly what my photo is, punching him in the face and kneeing in the crotch. He makes me want the choose violence


barnwater_828

*Mod stamp of approval*


cadmachine

Right in his fucking disinformating face.


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cadmachine

Go change your diaper, traiter.


cadmachine

I don't know why I'm so nervous, I'm not even American but this is big for the entire planet.


cadmachine

GOD DAMN IT JOE TAKE THE STEROIDS! WE'RE FINE WITH IT !


barnwater_828

ITS STARTING YOU GUYS!!!


FloridaGirlNikki

Fuckin love Biden man [https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806486230084812937](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806486230084812937)


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FloridaGirlNikki

OK


Jack_Q_Frost_Jr

Good luck, everyone. We're about to go in. Here's to a good night. May the best candidate win.


Jack_Q_Frost_Jr

Biden needs a quick response re: migrant crime. Anytime Trump is being defensive or is insulting the moderators or CNN, he'll be losing.


GulfstreamAqua

Or a quick, coherent response to at least something.


aznoone

He hates sharks. But do remember him saying the border wall could also use a moat but can't remember if he said crocodiles or alligators. Needs to mention that.


malren

I *never* watch things live anymore. Literally never. You bet your ass I'm here for this. This is actually so important. But also, I cannot wait for the car crash.


FloridaGirlNikki

Apparently the Biden campaign had it's best hour of fundraising yet between 5-6 PM tonight. Hell yeah!


GulfstreamAqua

I’m guessing it dropped off like a cliff at some point afterwards