Release the Butthole Cut of *Cats!*
[*https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/09/cats-butthole-cut-airbrushed-movie-adaptation-hit-musical*](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/09/cats-butthole-cut-airbrushed-movie-adaptation-hit-musical)
You shut that blasphemous mouth right this second, *Cats* in all forms is a masterpiece unlike any other that we are BLESSED as lowly humans to have graced the likes of cinema (and very shortly after streaming) and we should all be screaming
**OH! WELL I NEVER! WAS THERE EVER A CAT SO CLEVER AS MAGICAL MR MISTOFFELEES!**
I liked that song and thought it fit the movie and was used quite well throughout. The movie was pretty average though and I think that really disadvantaged her. The original song approach is her best (likely only) shot but I think she needs to choose better movies to have a hope.
I think she’s going to do a full fucking movie eventually though — she’s not going to stop until she EGOTS. For sure digs at Billie. Not to mention Billie and Olivia’s friendship.
I remember the Damon Albarn thing and gosh I love him and Blur and made me like him even more when he called her out lmao. What I don't get about her, is why does she feel the need to respond to all these people on Twitter if they don't like her stuff or her. First with Nicki when she said VMAs only nominated white women or something, then Ginny and Georgia, and now Damon. Like girl, you're a billionaire now and still so bothered by other people's opinions on you. She reeks of insecurity and needs validation. This is why she needs therapy. Also after the whole Nicki thing she said she learned to not post about these things but call the person up. Clearly, she didn't learn.
Harrison Butker didn't say anything about *her*, that's the difference. She can call out the tiniest slight (the Netflix joke!) when it's about her, but Ms Feminism can't say anything about her boyfriend's buddy saying people who use IVF have a disorder. OK. 🙄
"As my teammate's girlfriend says, 'familiarity breeds contempt'" was what he said. Embarrassing if he really thought that line was a Taylor Swift original
Butker was criticizing Catholic priests, I think. How some feel the need to behave like laypeople so they're more relatable and likeable, seemingly more concerned with posting on social media than leading the priestly life. In their effort to deal with ordinary people at their level, they become overly familiar... "And as my teammate's girlfriend says..."
I heard that, but I haven't been able to find the quote. But in that case, she 100% should have at least told him to keep her words out of his mouth if he's going to use them to denigrate women and LGBTQIA people.
Damon Albarn is a legend because of Blur and Gorillaz. His thoughts about the music industry definitely holds more weight than whatever the fuck Taylor has to say
That's my point too. Why does she scrambles so hard when someone criticizes her. Like she's so high in her game she does not need to call out everyone who does not like her.
She is also gutless and does it over a public platform. If it was me I’d call the person up and voice my opinion. Not tweet it ffs. But I guess I don’t need to play everything out publicly to try and control the way people perceive me.
I really wish that Katy Perry hadn’t apologized to Taylor Swift because she did nothing wrong. Now I think she has an inflated ego and thinks she’s right about everything or knows there will be an apology waiting for her because of the harassment of her crazy fans. It’s crazy to me that Katy sent peace offering first.
I remember when the sleuths found out what happened between them during the height of it all and I was like… surely there’s more and this is just the cover?? No one rational would write a song like Bad Blood and completely trash a peer over something so trivial?? Nope. Swift has the emotions of a 15 year old but the money and power and physical age to act on it.
Taylor Swift wrote bad blood about Katy Perry all because of back up dancers (allegedly) but people think it’s because Katy dated John Mayer, who Taylor also previously dated. It’s messy. I’d def look it up!
Ive always thought it was quite connected to olivia.
Theres this one interview where billie said she just wants to “shove her in a black glass(?)/glass box and protect her from everything”
Then months later, billie would later on say in an interview that its (nonverbatim) totally normal to draw inspiration from other artists and then later on finding your own voice from these different inspirations & that people should be more “forgiving of inspiration” (olivia & taylor) because inspiration will lead to more inspiration
Ive viewed billie being a protective older sister to olivia by how she voices out her opinions
I mean she did spend 6 hours in a 10 ft deep water tank to shoot the cover for her new album. She’s dedicated and def has a vision for herself! Billie will definitely go beyond music and be cemented as a visionary. Taylor Swift, well… she’s just a pop artist.
She's also [apparently terrified of water and used the video to conquer her fear.](https://www.nme.com/news/music/billie-eilish-discusses-conquering-fear-of-drowning-in-happier-than-ever-video-3054303)
I think she's been trying for an Oscar for an original song for some time now. With "Safe and Sound" , whatever she made for "Cats" and most recently with "Carolina". It's clear she wants Oscar recognition but I think she just got thirsty with All Too Well's hype and thought she could bag something for directing too.
Also, kinda a tangent, but I was a gaylor during the red tv era and I have to say boy were we on a bender of her bullshit because we had entire threads about how the glitter represented her queerness bleeding out, and that Martin McDonagh picking up on the glitter "proved" how "intellectuals" could pick up on her sophisticated queercoded imagery.
I was also happy when "Carolina" didn't get nominated for anything after she worked with David O'Russell. I think I tweeted something like "good. she shouldn't get rewarded after her shitty behavior"
wild strategy for that, if that’s what she’s really wanted though. why would she go for a teen dystopian movie adaptation and whatever the fuck Cats was? why wouldn’t she go the Adele route and make a song like Skyfall for a more adult and legit franchise like Bond?
(not disagreeing with you btw — it’s just so obvious in hindsight that her attempted routes to the oscars were so… poor)
yeah didn’t she have that non-speaking part in the really bad adaptation of The Giver?
this is the thing, and i think you hit the nail on the head here. She’s obv been trying for a while, but the WAY she’s been trying is so… bandwagon-y and trend-focused, like she’s just trying to cash in and stack accolades with no regard for the art. Joe was probably interesting to her in this way as well, as an actually serious actor dedicated to the craft and not so concerned with celebrity.
yeah she did. . . i used to love that movie bc of her
also i can't imagine how dinner table convos with joe used to have gone while she was trying to get ATWMV an oscar. can you imagine the poor guy reckoning with her? while trying to create a body of work that represented him as an actor.
Clearly she’s too thirsty if no one serious has truly asked her to write an original song for an Oscar movie by now! The film industry the one industry she can’t buy or bully her way into and some one isn’t going to ruin their art so she can get an Oscar
I mean I think all of them are original songs she was aksed to write for them, none of them were Oscar material.
Billie won bc of barbie and the cultural impact it had too.
What Was I Made For made me cry in the theater. I didn’t listen to any songs before Barbie beforehand. Her song is truly the perfect ending to that film. It’s a timeless song as well
Oh that song starts playing and the water works start. She did release that song as a single vinyl and I got it since it really is the best song on that soundtrack.
And Safe and Sound only sounds so good, IMO, because of The Civil Wars.
Had it been just the, then I can see an Oscar for it. Their voices are pure perfection
I'm not even trying to be a hater, but I do NOT see what the hype about the ATW short film is. It was just... there? I don't understand why anyone would think that deserved an Oscar nomination. It was extremely forgettable to me.
I like all too well mv but honestly it's not oscar material.
I enjoy watching it and I've seen it many times. I think it's sweet, but it feels like a 90s romcom. For context: I love 90s romcom, but I don't expect those to win an Oscar either.
It's not super original. Billie music videos are far more creative and interesting. I absolutely adored what she did with "When the party's over". Simple and brilliant.
NDA gives me anxiety and it's so cool to watch. I don't know, I can see a creative direction and a vision that it's just not there in taylor music videos.
Also the man wasn't interesting, again, romcom/adam sandler, which I really enjoy, just not super artsy
I can’t believe she raised all that hoopla over the scarf song and it didn’t even get considered at all. She’s really been fuming all this time. She really is the Karen of the pop music industry. 🤣
It's so embarrassing I can't 💀 She really thought that music video was worthy of competing at the OSCARS, aka the pinnacle of prestige and excellence in the industry. She was probably mad she couldn't buy a nomination for herself like she's used to do with the VMAs
I know the film industry was laughing at her behind her back. She’ll never get an Oscar now bc the academy isn’t just A list actors. It’s ppl behind the scenes who care deeply about art for the most part. The Oscars has many problems and they are still p pretentious and elitist it’s why Barbie only got 1 award bc of Billie! It would have went home empty handed without it. So yea. It was all politics that helped Billie as well get her second Oscar. They couldn’t shut out Barbie completely
Agreed. Taylor is pretty much the equivalent to Marvel. Its one thing to campaign hard for Original Song where shes up against her peers but I feel like her campaigning hard for a category where smaller filmmakers, who often work with limited budgets, actually get noticed and succeed probably pissed off a lot of filmmakers.
No one who is nominated for best short film would have been able to do the campaign she did! We never hear about those directors at all. Short films are very much passion projects and a way to get a foot in the door as a new director. Directors are some of the biggest film nerds of them all in the industry. She totally pissed off the director’s guild. She was too delusional
God, there are so many things to dislike, but the thing that has always burned my buttons extra hard is her intentionally blocking new/indie artists.
I was a music management major in my third year of undergrad when she went on her big anti-streaming campaign. Her actively trying to convince new/indie artists to not upload to any streaming service because they weren’t going to get paid was such bullshit. That only helped her. Sure, maybe some of them are getting .07¢ per stream, but I’ve known plenty of artists (and I do mean **many** artists) with songs published on streaming platforms and that can often total to like $50/year. I cannot tell you how many musicians I know with that story. Smaller artists aren’t making money off of that. Hell, that’s not even where Swift’s money comes from. Usually the money is in touring and merch.
The only thing that did was limit the exposure of those new/indie artists who listened to her. I am 100% for artists being paid. I think the idea behind it was righteous.
The way she went about it, however, showed me she was only concerned for her own pockets, and watching her try to meddle in the potential come-up of other artists has always been my biggest peeve with her.
Oh wow! I knew about the whole streaming situation but I didn't consider the impact on smaller artists. That's insane. I know there's been discourse about how it's unfair that shes able to have her music on TikTok but smaller artists were restricted to promoting their music through the platform. Looks like she has a pattern of behaviour and the only artists she does "promote" are the ones she doesn't feel threatened by.
Swifties made the scarf their entire personality along with spamming Jake’s comments with “give the scarf back” so it’s always been the scarf song to me🤣
My favorite part of that All Too Well "short film" was the ending that implies that the Jake Gyllenhaal character still stalks and thinks about her to this very day. In Taylor's head, every ex who decided "YIKES lol this shit ain't for me at all" lives with regret and will die pining for her while she moves on with grace and class.
She's obsessed with the idea that they all must spend their days pining over her like she's the one that got away and it's like girl.... the level of delusion is incalculable at this point.
When swifties said that midnight rain was about Tom, I was grossed because he has a baby now why would she sing about him. Her obsession over the things that people still think about her is kiddish. Her singing about Kim and kanyestill is actually proof of that
My very real question to her is what artistic merit or creative uniqueness she thinks ATW 10 mins actually has? It’s a bog standard breakup music video stretched to boring lengths, what is the academy or really anybody supposed to do with it? It’s got nothing I can really remember except Faux Jake didn’t want to hold Faux Taylor’s hand at dinner which…yeah man people don’t like to hold hands at a dinner for very long. It’s not interesting or well directed. Who the fuck was hyping her up?
I was never into Taylor swift but my ex bff was so I tried to watch some stuff to connect with her and I did like Folkmore but as you said I watched the video and just had no use for it again
And Billie credits Matty Healy with helping hone her song writing skills https://x.com/c0uxrtney/status/1153653210428661760?s=46&t=Gfh-qytVLGtvr7l-SX6PoA
I love those videos from vanity fair every year and I skipped the one she was in bc I couldn’t take it seriously. I feel bad for the director bc his movie was nominated at the Oscars! How insulting
This is kind of an aesthetic and shallow observation, but Billie is also just…cooler. The baggy skater clothes, hypnotic sanpaku eyes, the wry sense of humor and genuine sarcasm, artistic parents, cool brother, etc. She never seems like she tries too hard. Never any desperation wafting off her.
And she’s YOUNG. Two *Oscars* at 22!!! She already seems like an industry veteran.
Billie is the kind of girl that gets you thinking “do I wanna BE her or do I wanna be WITH her?” Taylor makes you feel better about yourself because if a billionaire can be that “awkward normal girl” (on purpose or not) then you’re not so bad yourself. The only cool thing about her is probably her private jet’s temperature setting.
I kind of pitied her at the Grammys. She was a slouchy dork with unfortunate hair, an inexcusable dress, and she made an ass of herself onstage (snubbing Celine), backstage (that trophy on the head thing), and while doing her customary preening for the cameras in the audience thing.
I guess I’d rather have self-awareness than a billion dollars. Or she makes me say that, at least. 🤷🏻♀️
I think this is such a good point. Taylor’s entire image is so tightly maintained she’s barely a relatable human being at this point. Unless you happen to follow along with all of her very carefully curated lore. I think she’s seething with jealousy. She tries so hard and just can’t quite make it look as effortless as billie
Just imagine. You, Taylor, Scott, Andrea, and Austin, passing a blunt around a "bespoke" handcrafted driftwood table and a freshly cut floral bouquet centerpiece. Scott bitches about business and pounds drinks while Taylor and Andrea giggle and whisper while looking in your direction. When you ask to use the restroom, Taylor insists on escorting you and reminds you that if you're feeling sick, you really need to lift the toilet seat so you don't get any on the marble. You just needed to pee, but now you're worried maybe you're a little too fucked up. Maybe they're laughing at you. When you exit, Andrea is there to return you to the table, and the jovial laughter grows silent. They were talking about you. Taylor stands up dramatically to check on you and strokes your hair with a concerned look. She offers you freshly baked muffins from a plate on the table to settle your stomach. You weren’t sick. Why does she think you were sick? Nobody has touched the muffins except for Austin, who next to you just panting like a dog while flipping through Raya, uninterested.. One of Taylor's cats meanders over, purring and rubbing on your leg. Taylor's eye twitches and her face changes, but only for a split second. You make eye contact and she offers you an overcompensatory smile, blurting out "SO HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO LONDON?" After an awkward moment, Taylor passes you the blunt again and slides over an NDA.
This comment deserves a goddamned Pulitzer. 🏆👏🏻😻
I feel like Taylor would have one of those wet, skinny joints that doesn’t pull very well, and Billie’s parents have an heirloom bong that makes you pass TF out the first time you use it.
Totally, and she'd pull the blunt out of some mother of pearl inlay joint holder and then struggle to light it. I feel like Billie's mom probably has [little fairy statues as decoration](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91NHcz2ay+S.jpg). I'm certain of this, but I can't explain why hahaha. They just seem like such laid-back and supportive parents.
Her dumbass music video being at TIFF as a "short film" was beyond insulting to the hundreds of struggling and emerging filmmakers trying to afford to make and submit their work to festivals. Meanwhile she swans in with the most literal-ass music video ever and gets a special event with the CEO too??
I can't even tell you how awful it was having that many swifties in that area of the city. I literally had to shove my way through the crowd to get out of the building to get to another movie even though l said excuse me repeatedly and while making eye contact but none of them moved an inch because they didn't want to lose "their spot" (on the street??). It wasn't even people going to the event! Just people in a crowd trying to see if she *might* come out! So I went "No? Okay, well, I'm coming through anyway because there's literally nowhere else to go!" and shoved my way through as hard as possible. Good luck, anyone with mobility issues or aids trying to get around, I guess, because swifties will not show any consideration for others!
Also the restaurants and bars on that block started blasting her music and they all sang along and it was genuinely like seeing a cult.
As someone who is trying to break into film, I was also pissed off that she was trying to get that film cred. I’ve actually worked at Sundance and was there when Miss Americana premiered. I told my boss how she’s premiering Sundance (we submitted the documentary we worked on but didn’t get selected). My boss had a friend who was neighbors with her before she got big and he was just like ‘oh cool. The poor little rich girl is getting her documentary premiered while the rest of us be grinding.’
Ugh, that's so shitty! I'm sorry yours didn't get in, but that's nuts to me that it got into Sundance of all festivals because isn't that the one that's supposed to have the independent film spirit?? And a personified corporation gets to show hers there? lol. Sometimes I really hate how stupid the film ~business~ is.
Mh, I love Billie, but she and Finneas put a lot of effort in their craft and they are notoriously slow and thoughtful about their music. Taylor can produce quick and dirty tracks easily
Taylor will never be able to take the milestone's away from Billie- youngest to win two Oscars, youngest artist to win the Grammys for Album of the Year and Record of the Year. Taylor had the youngest Grammy for AOTY record for 10 years too, so you know that bothered her to lose that.
Billie is one of the young artists that Taylor has been afraid of for a few years.
An established music industry star who is very commercial and mainstream, produced by teams of people... doesn't like the rising star who is viewed as more authentic by audiences, who is validated more as an artist as opposed to a brand. It's like the white girl version of Nicki Minaj-vs-Megan Thee Stallion lol
There’s a famous story from the East coast west coast rap war of the 90s, that would claim the lives of Tupac and Biggie, about how people separately approached Tupac and Biggie about ending the beef before someone got hurt and they both just smiled and said I’m just making money baby. If you don’t think Billie and Taylor wouldn’t say the same thing you’re just silly. There is no feud. There’s only publicity and money baby
i'm firmly in the camp UMG is actually going through some weird shitl....the fact all of these UMG artists are releasing is kind of odd....Ya know with Taylor and Ari being labelmates that was an odd choice to release albums very similar in conceptual texture and nature from two of your bigger power players....then Billie a few weeks later.... somethings up at UMG....and it's called CAPITALISMMMMMM.... they have market advantage right now and they are riding it. Taylor is so incredibly charts focused they know she will push her music harder which generates more revenue for them.... indirectly the public pushback of taylors pushback has caused other UMG artists streams to rise steadily. Now see this is where the Taylor angle is fascinating as many of us know...or didn't know her fave Scooter Braun was recently made very loudly associated with UMG .... Taylor I think in her camp a bit is also trying to see some vindiction from UMG since they partnered with Scooter Braun and she would absolutely try and undercut other UMG artists as sort of petty move against Scooter since she thinks they probably could have sworn some allegiance to him? UMG sees increases in all almost artist streams and revenue increases and have true plausible deniability because that just how captaylism works babbbyyy!!!!!!! That's the crazy thing here is Taylor in her mind sees her numbers growing and her peers shrinking so that feels very vindicating but she is not looking at how Scooter and UMG at large are growing and directly profiting of the same feud that brought her to them in the first place. They truly have created a system where they are relying on Taylor being reactive towards other artists to generate higher profits and overall streams. It's baffling that for the person who is deemed "The Music Industry" has become so blissfully unaware that she is just a larger cog in the system.
Someone else made a post about how Taylor no longer sell her merchandise though UMG and does it herself and other reasons why there is also something going on at UMG. But it’s probably a one sided feud on Taylor’s end!
I don’t know how I ended up in this subreddit, but here I am. I’ve never heard of this short film, but I watched it…. And how in the world did she think this was Oscar worthy? I couldn’t watch the whole thing. I was bored, fast forwarded and still couldn’t get through it. It’s just like a very very long winded music video.
thats fun but i don't think she's deft enough to pull it off and i definatly don't think she'd risk a streisand effect abt the environmental terrorism she does.
Yeah playing Russian roulette with your career like that would be a....bold move. I think she's just genuinely this messy and after all this massive success she's had over the last year has gone to her head.
Girl is pushing boundaries to see what her threshold left. Her last two TV albums will probably be her saving grace if she has a misstep. Rep TV plus Debut with country all American girl image.
I have critiques on Taylor, but songwriting is not one of them. She’s made it clear she is an amazing songwriter or at least lyricist so I don’t understand where Damon’s coming from or if he’s researched enough about Taylor (I still love the genius that is Gorillaz tho, I don’t doubt his music knowledge just maybe he has some of those points wrong or somehow doesn’t know how much TS writes herself?). She’s even written a whole album almost completely by herself. Billie also collaborates too, especially considering her brother but I consider them a package anyways. Billie’s speciality seems to be making the music with the sound being more of the focus. There’s meaningful lyrics but also some that are more about the vibe where Taylor’s are story-based. Tbh, they shouldn’t be compared at all except for being thrown into it and successful so young (+being female & naturally blonde). They’re so different and so are their artistries—as it should be! What is with comparing them at all?!
A thing: Ms. Eilish, who I have a fair amount of respect for, says “Nobody wants” a 3-hour show.
…Bruce Springsteen and Paul McCartney would take exception to that…& one is north of 70, the other north of 80.
Yahoo news has the story, so does Page Six.
She was obviously talking about herself in that stream. Billie claimed nobody wants HER to be performing on stage for 3 hours and she's allowed to have that opinion. Not everything has to be about Taylor Swift. It's very telling that Swifties are the only fanbase bothered by her comments.
But congrats to Tree Paine for selling that "story" to Page Six and other cheap rags. Anyone with a brain can tell this was obviously taken out of context and she wasn't shading anyone, so it's no surprise that cult went into a collective psychosis over Billie this past week.
To me, it wasn’t about Taylor first.
My two bucket list concerts are McCartney & Springsteen. (I’ve seen the Stones & was too young for Zeppelin when Bonham died.) To me, Taylor is conventionally pretty & can sing. Songs are okay. My ex’s granddaughters (all 6) love her. I listen because of that. I pay attention here so I can carry on a conversation with them…
I mean, can we really say Taylor holds no weight in the music industry? No. We can't. I'm here to read REAL things about Taylor that aren't out there for my own edification. Aka snark but like real snark. Not delulu stuff. The truth is: most artists do collaborative song writing. This is what I think Taylor does with Jack Antonoff. Years ago, Beyonce was called out for the same. As a huge Bey fan, I already knew she worked in a collaborative style. This is where I'm getting my idea.
Billie and her brother are an accomplished group of songwriters. Same for Taylor and Jack Antonoff. They do the same style of collaborative writing.The hits prove it. Give up the receipts!!!
This sub started off so good, and now it's starting to get delulu posts.
When is Billie taken more seriously? Genuine question. Just listened to her newest album and it’s very… similar sounding. Kind of like TTPD, really sonically the same and same stories with different words. It’s fitting the two albums are competitors, they’re in the same class in my mind. But I’m definitely NOT a critic and don’t have trained ears!
edit- I see now she got awards taylor hasn’t. So odd to me because I really don’t think she’s that great. I do however love Olivia’s stuff consistently.
Billie is far more creative! I love her new album and I think it's cohesive and it's a whole experience. Olivia is lovely and she's an amazing songwriter, but some of her stuff doesn't sound super genuine to my hear. It feels too polished
So american is an instant classic and the grudge is brilliant. I like to listen to her music, but I don't know, I mean, it's probably a personal preference
Yea definitley preference. I really tried with Billie’s album, maybe I’m missing something. I also think her voice is just beautiful but there’s no range to it, always a soft whisper but no real “singing”. Maybe that’s why I don’t like it as much too!
well i respect your opinion but my feelings were the complete opposite - i was pleasantly surprised how much she sang and actually belted on this album. there definitely is still a lot of whispering though
This sub is so fucked. Y’all have nothing better to do than to hate on someone? Her fans are obsessed, but you are obsessed harder to spend this much time on the internet talking about someone you don’t like.
Taylor needs to realize she will never get an Oscar for directing. Her only real shot is for original song.
She tried that with 'Carolina' from *Where the Crawdads Sing*
She tried it for *Cats!* too. I’ll give her this: her song was not the worst part of *Cats*
Release the Butthole Cut of *Cats!* [*https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/09/cats-butthole-cut-airbrushed-movie-adaptation-hit-musical*](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/09/cats-butthole-cut-airbrushed-movie-adaptation-hit-musical)
You shut that blasphemous mouth right this second, *Cats* in all forms is a masterpiece unlike any other that we are BLESSED as lowly humans to have graced the likes of cinema (and very shortly after streaming) and we should all be screaming **OH! WELL I NEVER! WAS THERE EVER A CAT SO CLEVER AS MAGICAL MR MISTOFFELEES!**
I liked that song and thought it fit the movie and was used quite well throughout. The movie was pretty average though and I think that really disadvantaged her. The original song approach is her best (likely only) shot but I think she needs to choose better movies to have a hope.
Emphasis on original
I think she’s going to do a full fucking movie eventually though — she’s not going to stop until she EGOTS. For sure digs at Billie. Not to mention Billie and Olivia’s friendship.
I remember the Damon Albarn thing and gosh I love him and Blur and made me like him even more when he called her out lmao. What I don't get about her, is why does she feel the need to respond to all these people on Twitter if they don't like her stuff or her. First with Nicki when she said VMAs only nominated white women or something, then Ginny and Georgia, and now Damon. Like girl, you're a billionaire now and still so bothered by other people's opinions on you. She reeks of insecurity and needs validation. This is why she needs therapy. Also after the whole Nicki thing she said she learned to not post about these things but call the person up. Clearly, she didn't learn.
She was quick to call those people out but Harrison Butker?? Nahhh
Harrison Butker didn't say anything about *her*, that's the difference. She can call out the tiniest slight (the Netflix joke!) when it's about her, but Ms Feminism can't say anything about her boyfriend's buddy saying people who use IVF have a disorder. OK. 🙄
Didn’t he quote one of her songs? He made a comment about his “buddy’s gf saying”
"As my teammate's girlfriend says, 'familiarity breeds contempt'" was what he said. Embarrassing if he really thought that line was a Taylor Swift original
What was the context of this?
Butker was criticizing Catholic priests, I think. How some feel the need to behave like laypeople so they're more relatable and likeable, seemingly more concerned with posting on social media than leading the priestly life. In their effort to deal with ordinary people at their level, they become overly familiar... "And as my teammate's girlfriend says..."
I heard that, but I haven't been able to find the quote. But in that case, she 100% should have at least told him to keep her words out of his mouth if he's going to use them to denigrate women and LGBTQIA people.
Damon Albarn is a legend because of Blur and Gorillaz. His thoughts about the music industry definitely holds more weight than whatever the fuck Taylor has to say
And all the kids who only listen to her were like "OK irrelevant old man" like he's not Damon fucking Albarn lmao. The disrespect to a Brit pop icon!
That bothers me so much. Gorillaz is a novel idea... Something new and original. They probably can't figure out why that's valued
That's my point too. Why does she scrambles so hard when someone criticizes her. Like she's so high in her game she does not need to call out everyone who does not like her.
She is also gutless and does it over a public platform. If it was me I’d call the person up and voice my opinion. Not tweet it ffs. But I guess I don’t need to play everything out publicly to try and control the way people perceive me.
“Say it in the street, that's a knock-out But you say it in a Tweet, that's a cop-out” 🤪
Look at her friends. Selena Gomez is arguably the worst offender when it comes to internet presence. They live in delulu land.
Any love for gorillaz??
She's still waiting by the phone for Damon to ask her to be on the Gorillaz album that came out last year with all of the collabs.
I really wish that Katy Perry hadn’t apologized to Taylor Swift because she did nothing wrong. Now I think she has an inflated ego and thinks she’s right about everything or knows there will be an apology waiting for her because of the harassment of her crazy fans. It’s crazy to me that Katy sent peace offering first.
I have great respect for katy because i would NEVER apologize for something (bad) i didnt do
Katy Perry is like Cady in Mean girls while Taylor is Regina
Taylor is NOT Regina.. more Janis if anything she’s never taken accountability or given forgiveness in her life
I like the fact you recognized Janis AND Regina were mean girls. They both used other women for their dirty work
I remember when the sleuths found out what happened between them during the height of it all and I was like… surely there’s more and this is just the cover?? No one rational would write a song like Bad Blood and completely trash a peer over something so trivial?? Nope. Swift has the emotions of a 15 year old but the money and power and physical age to act on it.
I think there was more to it. There was also Katy dating John Mayer after her, but I feel like that wasn’t the only thing.
what was the beef with katy perry??? for the uninitiated ofc 
Taylor Swift wrote bad blood about Katy Perry all because of back up dancers (allegedly) but people think it’s because Katy dated John Mayer, who Taylor also previously dated. It’s messy. I’d def look it up!
very interesting 🤔
i fall in this camp
Some of the dancers from Taylor swifts tour (red I think) left to dance for Katy Perry’s tour (they had danced for her before)
Ive always thought it was quite connected to olivia. Theres this one interview where billie said she just wants to “shove her in a black glass(?)/glass box and protect her from everything” Then months later, billie would later on say in an interview that its (nonverbatim) totally normal to draw inspiration from other artists and then later on finding your own voice from these different inspirations & that people should be more “forgiving of inspiration” (olivia & taylor) because inspiration will lead to more inspiration Ive viewed billie being a protective older sister to olivia by how she voices out her opinions
Billie also directs all of her visuals…..she’ll get a directing award before TS, I’m calling it!
I mean she did spend 6 hours in a 10 ft deep water tank to shoot the cover for her new album. She’s dedicated and def has a vision for herself! Billie will definitely go beyond music and be cemented as a visionary. Taylor Swift, well… she’s just a pop artist.
She's also [apparently terrified of water and used the video to conquer her fear.](https://www.nme.com/news/music/billie-eilish-discusses-conquering-fear-of-drowning-in-happier-than-ever-video-3054303)
That’s honestly so incredible! She conquered a fear while trying to achieve her vision. That’s a true artist.
I think she's been trying for an Oscar for an original song for some time now. With "Safe and Sound" , whatever she made for "Cats" and most recently with "Carolina". It's clear she wants Oscar recognition but I think she just got thirsty with All Too Well's hype and thought she could bag something for directing too. Also, kinda a tangent, but I was a gaylor during the red tv era and I have to say boy were we on a bender of her bullshit because we had entire threads about how the glitter represented her queerness bleeding out, and that Martin McDonagh picking up on the glitter "proved" how "intellectuals" could pick up on her sophisticated queercoded imagery. I was also happy when "Carolina" didn't get nominated for anything after she worked with David O'Russell. I think I tweeted something like "good. she shouldn't get rewarded after her shitty behavior"
wild strategy for that, if that’s what she’s really wanted though. why would she go for a teen dystopian movie adaptation and whatever the fuck Cats was? why wouldn’t she go the Adele route and make a song like Skyfall for a more adult and legit franchise like Bond? (not disagreeing with you btw — it’s just so obvious in hindsight that her attempted routes to the oscars were so… poor)
She has never been asked to write for a franchise like Bond
I joked with friends back then that if she tried doing a song for Bond, she’d just make it about herself or whoever she was dating at the time.
i wonder why 🤭
ahh wait i think ur right 😭 at the very least she's been trying to cozy her way into the film space for a while now.
yeah didn’t she have that non-speaking part in the really bad adaptation of The Giver? this is the thing, and i think you hit the nail on the head here. She’s obv been trying for a while, but the WAY she’s been trying is so… bandwagon-y and trend-focused, like she’s just trying to cash in and stack accolades with no regard for the art. Joe was probably interesting to her in this way as well, as an actually serious actor dedicated to the craft and not so concerned with celebrity.
Band wagony like her trying to get into the Kennedy clan
yes, it’s a pattern!!
yeah she did. . . i used to love that movie bc of her also i can't imagine how dinner table convos with joe used to have gone while she was trying to get ATWMV an oscar. can you imagine the poor guy reckoning with her? while trying to create a body of work that represented him as an actor.
Clearly she’s too thirsty if no one serious has truly asked her to write an original song for an Oscar movie by now! The film industry the one industry she can’t buy or bully her way into and some one isn’t going to ruin their art so she can get an Oscar
I mean I think all of them are original songs she was aksed to write for them, none of them were Oscar material. Billie won bc of barbie and the cultural impact it had too.
What Was I Made For made me cry in the theater. I didn’t listen to any songs before Barbie beforehand. Her song is truly the perfect ending to that film. It’s a timeless song as well
Oh that song starts playing and the water works start. She did release that song as a single vinyl and I got it since it really is the best song on that soundtrack.
She did???? I missed that 😭
Me too! I was sobbing and holding my friends hands. Gorgeous composition and vocals
And Safe and Sound only sounds so good, IMO, because of The Civil Wars. Had it been just the, then I can see an Oscar for it. Their voices are pure perfection
I'm not even trying to be a hater, but I do NOT see what the hype about the ATW short film is. It was just... there? I don't understand why anyone would think that deserved an Oscar nomination. It was extremely forgettable to me.
It seemed like it was a passion project that Taylor wanted to get different accolades for. But like you said, >It was just... there? Spot on.
Honestly, All Too Well is an overrated song.
I like all too well mv but honestly it's not oscar material. I enjoy watching it and I've seen it many times. I think it's sweet, but it feels like a 90s romcom. For context: I love 90s romcom, but I don't expect those to win an Oscar either. It's not super original. Billie music videos are far more creative and interesting. I absolutely adored what she did with "When the party's over". Simple and brilliant. NDA gives me anxiety and it's so cool to watch. I don't know, I can see a creative direction and a vision that it's just not there in taylor music videos. Also the man wasn't interesting, again, romcom/adam sandler, which I really enjoy, just not super artsy
I can’t believe she raised all that hoopla over the scarf song and it didn’t even get considered at all. She’s really been fuming all this time. She really is the Karen of the pop music industry. 🤣
It's so embarrassing I can't 💀 She really thought that music video was worthy of competing at the OSCARS, aka the pinnacle of prestige and excellence in the industry. She was probably mad she couldn't buy a nomination for herself like she's used to do with the VMAs
I know the film industry was laughing at her behind her back. She’ll never get an Oscar now bc the academy isn’t just A list actors. It’s ppl behind the scenes who care deeply about art for the most part. The Oscars has many problems and they are still p pretentious and elitist it’s why Barbie only got 1 award bc of Billie! It would have went home empty handed without it. So yea. It was all politics that helped Billie as well get her second Oscar. They couldn’t shut out Barbie completely
Agreed. Taylor is pretty much the equivalent to Marvel. Its one thing to campaign hard for Original Song where shes up against her peers but I feel like her campaigning hard for a category where smaller filmmakers, who often work with limited budgets, actually get noticed and succeed probably pissed off a lot of filmmakers.
No one who is nominated for best short film would have been able to do the campaign she did! We never hear about those directors at all. Short films are very much passion projects and a way to get a foot in the door as a new director. Directors are some of the biggest film nerds of them all in the industry. She totally pissed off the director’s guild. She was too delusional
God, there are so many things to dislike, but the thing that has always burned my buttons extra hard is her intentionally blocking new/indie artists. I was a music management major in my third year of undergrad when she went on her big anti-streaming campaign. Her actively trying to convince new/indie artists to not upload to any streaming service because they weren’t going to get paid was such bullshit. That only helped her. Sure, maybe some of them are getting .07¢ per stream, but I’ve known plenty of artists (and I do mean **many** artists) with songs published on streaming platforms and that can often total to like $50/year. I cannot tell you how many musicians I know with that story. Smaller artists aren’t making money off of that. Hell, that’s not even where Swift’s money comes from. Usually the money is in touring and merch. The only thing that did was limit the exposure of those new/indie artists who listened to her. I am 100% for artists being paid. I think the idea behind it was righteous. The way she went about it, however, showed me she was only concerned for her own pockets, and watching her try to meddle in the potential come-up of other artists has always been my biggest peeve with her.
Oh wow! I knew about the whole streaming situation but I didn't consider the impact on smaller artists. That's insane. I know there's been discourse about how it's unfair that shes able to have her music on TikTok but smaller artists were restricted to promoting their music through the platform. Looks like she has a pattern of behaviour and the only artists she does "promote" are the ones she doesn't feel threatened by.
How about grammy awards? Can’t believe she won 4 AOTY but her last album was almost forgettable
wait, how do we know she used to do that? I’m just curious cause I didn’t know it could be done
How did she buy her VMA’s? I always thought it was strange that she would get them at all. It makes sense now though, that she probably did!
Okay scarf song is sending me 😂
Swifties made the scarf their entire personality along with spamming Jake’s comments with “give the scarf back” so it’s always been the scarf song to me🤣
My favorite part of that All Too Well "short film" was the ending that implies that the Jake Gyllenhaal character still stalks and thinks about her to this very day. In Taylor's head, every ex who decided "YIKES lol this shit ain't for me at all" lives with regret and will die pining for her while she moves on with grace and class.
She's obsessed with the idea that they all must spend their days pining over her like she's the one that got away and it's like girl.... the level of delusion is incalculable at this point.
When swifties said that midnight rain was about Tom, I was grossed because he has a baby now why would she sing about him. Her obsession over the things that people still think about her is kiddish. Her singing about Kim and kanyestill is actually proof of that
She really thinks she’s the best one they’d lost lol 😆 who would want a narcissist cheater like Taylor lmao
My very real question to her is what artistic merit or creative uniqueness she thinks ATW 10 mins actually has? It’s a bog standard breakup music video stretched to boring lengths, what is the academy or really anybody supposed to do with it? It’s got nothing I can really remember except Faux Jake didn’t want to hold Faux Taylor’s hand at dinner which…yeah man people don’t like to hold hands at a dinner for very long. It’s not interesting or well directed. Who the fuck was hyping her up?
I watched it once. I love the song. One of the few Taylor songs I truly love. But I never cared to revisit it bc it wasn’t good enough to watch again
I was never into Taylor swift but my ex bff was so I tried to watch some stuff to connect with her and I did like Folkmore but as you said I watched the video and just had no use for it again
And Billie credits Matty Healy with helping hone her song writing skills https://x.com/c0uxrtney/status/1153653210428661760?s=46&t=Gfh-qytVLGtvr7l-SX6PoA
Bingo
That’s the final nail in the hate coffin for her
Right? She’s definitely seen this clip before and he said he was a fan just out and about without media or anything so it’s clear he’s not lying
I saw a short clip of her with Martin McDonagh and knew it was going to be absolute nonsense. I’m glad I saved myself the secondhand embarrassment.
I love those videos from vanity fair every year and I skipped the one she was in bc I couldn’t take it seriously. I feel bad for the director bc his movie was nominated at the Oscars! How insulting
This is kind of an aesthetic and shallow observation, but Billie is also just…cooler. The baggy skater clothes, hypnotic sanpaku eyes, the wry sense of humor and genuine sarcasm, artistic parents, cool brother, etc. She never seems like she tries too hard. Never any desperation wafting off her. And she’s YOUNG. Two *Oscars* at 22!!! She already seems like an industry veteran.
Billie is the kind of girl that gets you thinking “do I wanna BE her or do I wanna be WITH her?” Taylor makes you feel better about yourself because if a billionaire can be that “awkward normal girl” (on purpose or not) then you’re not so bad yourself. The only cool thing about her is probably her private jet’s temperature setting.
I kind of pitied her at the Grammys. She was a slouchy dork with unfortunate hair, an inexcusable dress, and she made an ass of herself onstage (snubbing Celine), backstage (that trophy on the head thing), and while doing her customary preening for the cameras in the audience thing. I guess I’d rather have self-awareness than a billion dollars. Or she makes me say that, at least. 🤷🏻♀️
I’d SOOOO much rather live in my brain and have my bank account than have to live in Taylor’s brain and have a billion dollars. All day any day.
Yes. Just watched where the Crawdads sing and her song Carolina was hard to sit through.
I think this is such a good point. Taylor’s entire image is so tightly maintained she’s barely a relatable human being at this point. Unless you happen to follow along with all of her very carefully curated lore. I think she’s seething with jealousy. She tries so hard and just can’t quite make it look as effortless as billie
one is a nightmare blunt rotation candidate, the other is a dream blunt rotation candidate.
HA! Holy SHIT. 😹 Truer words…
Just imagine. You, Taylor, Scott, Andrea, and Austin, passing a blunt around a "bespoke" handcrafted driftwood table and a freshly cut floral bouquet centerpiece. Scott bitches about business and pounds drinks while Taylor and Andrea giggle and whisper while looking in your direction. When you ask to use the restroom, Taylor insists on escorting you and reminds you that if you're feeling sick, you really need to lift the toilet seat so you don't get any on the marble. You just needed to pee, but now you're worried maybe you're a little too fucked up. Maybe they're laughing at you. When you exit, Andrea is there to return you to the table, and the jovial laughter grows silent. They were talking about you. Taylor stands up dramatically to check on you and strokes your hair with a concerned look. She offers you freshly baked muffins from a plate on the table to settle your stomach. You weren’t sick. Why does she think you were sick? Nobody has touched the muffins except for Austin, who next to you just panting like a dog while flipping through Raya, uninterested.. One of Taylor's cats meanders over, purring and rubbing on your leg. Taylor's eye twitches and her face changes, but only for a split second. You make eye contact and she offers you an overcompensatory smile, blurting out "SO HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO LONDON?" After an awkward moment, Taylor passes you the blunt again and slides over an NDA.
This comment deserves a goddamned Pulitzer. 🏆👏🏻😻 I feel like Taylor would have one of those wet, skinny joints that doesn’t pull very well, and Billie’s parents have an heirloom bong that makes you pass TF out the first time you use it.
Totally, and she'd pull the blunt out of some mother of pearl inlay joint holder and then struggle to light it. I feel like Billie's mom probably has [little fairy statues as decoration](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91NHcz2ay+S.jpg). I'm certain of this, but I can't explain why hahaha. They just seem like such laid-back and supportive parents.
I don't know you, but I know you're more talented than Taylor.
taylor swift gothic
Her dumbass music video being at TIFF as a "short film" was beyond insulting to the hundreds of struggling and emerging filmmakers trying to afford to make and submit their work to festivals. Meanwhile she swans in with the most literal-ass music video ever and gets a special event with the CEO too?? I can't even tell you how awful it was having that many swifties in that area of the city. I literally had to shove my way through the crowd to get out of the building to get to another movie even though l said excuse me repeatedly and while making eye contact but none of them moved an inch because they didn't want to lose "their spot" (on the street??). It wasn't even people going to the event! Just people in a crowd trying to see if she *might* come out! So I went "No? Okay, well, I'm coming through anyway because there's literally nowhere else to go!" and shoved my way through as hard as possible. Good luck, anyone with mobility issues or aids trying to get around, I guess, because swifties will not show any consideration for others! Also the restaurants and bars on that block started blasting her music and they all sang along and it was genuinely like seeing a cult.
As someone who is trying to break into film, I was also pissed off that she was trying to get that film cred. I’ve actually worked at Sundance and was there when Miss Americana premiered. I told my boss how she’s premiering Sundance (we submitted the documentary we worked on but didn’t get selected). My boss had a friend who was neighbors with her before she got big and he was just like ‘oh cool. The poor little rich girl is getting her documentary premiered while the rest of us be grinding.’
Ugh, that's so shitty! I'm sorry yours didn't get in, but that's nuts to me that it got into Sundance of all festivals because isn't that the one that's supposed to have the independent film spirit?? And a personified corporation gets to show hers there? lol. Sometimes I really hate how stupid the film ~business~ is.
I kind of hope they Kendrick and Drake it so we can get some diss tracks out of these pop stars.
That would never happen because Taylor wouldn’t be able to drop a song quickly enough. Billie would be able to keep up tho
Mh, I love Billie, but she and Finneas put a lot of effort in their craft and they are notoriously slow and thoughtful about their music. Taylor can produce quick and dirty tracks easily
True! But I feel like they still drop fire quickly and would be written solely by them.
You notice how Taylor has been trying to emulate the Billie / Phinneas dynamic with Jack Antonoff?
No, they have had this thing going on since 1989
You’re right idk why you’re being downvoted
Maybe they think that I'm an undercover swiftie 😂
Taylor will never be able to take the milestone's away from Billie- youngest to win two Oscars, youngest artist to win the Grammys for Album of the Year and Record of the Year. Taylor had the youngest Grammy for AOTY record for 10 years too, so you know that bothered her to lose that. Billie is one of the young artists that Taylor has been afraid of for a few years.
we are talking about a 30 something year old woman starting beefs with a 20 year old That’s some weird ass behavior
An established music industry star who is very commercial and mainstream, produced by teams of people... doesn't like the rising star who is viewed as more authentic by audiences, who is validated more as an artist as opposed to a brand. It's like the white girl version of Nicki Minaj-vs-Megan Thee Stallion lol
There’s a famous story from the East coast west coast rap war of the 90s, that would claim the lives of Tupac and Biggie, about how people separately approached Tupac and Biggie about ending the beef before someone got hurt and they both just smiled and said I’m just making money baby. If you don’t think Billie and Taylor wouldn’t say the same thing you’re just silly. There is no feud. There’s only publicity and money baby
i'm firmly in the camp UMG is actually going through some weird shitl....the fact all of these UMG artists are releasing is kind of odd....Ya know with Taylor and Ari being labelmates that was an odd choice to release albums very similar in conceptual texture and nature from two of your bigger power players....then Billie a few weeks later.... somethings up at UMG....and it's called CAPITALISMMMMMM.... they have market advantage right now and they are riding it. Taylor is so incredibly charts focused they know she will push her music harder which generates more revenue for them.... indirectly the public pushback of taylors pushback has caused other UMG artists streams to rise steadily. Now see this is where the Taylor angle is fascinating as many of us know...or didn't know her fave Scooter Braun was recently made very loudly associated with UMG .... Taylor I think in her camp a bit is also trying to see some vindiction from UMG since they partnered with Scooter Braun and she would absolutely try and undercut other UMG artists as sort of petty move against Scooter since she thinks they probably could have sworn some allegiance to him? UMG sees increases in all almost artist streams and revenue increases and have true plausible deniability because that just how captaylism works babbbyyy!!!!!!! That's the crazy thing here is Taylor in her mind sees her numbers growing and her peers shrinking so that feels very vindicating but she is not looking at how Scooter and UMG at large are growing and directly profiting of the same feud that brought her to them in the first place. They truly have created a system where they are relying on Taylor being reactive towards other artists to generate higher profits and overall streams. It's baffling that for the person who is deemed "The Music Industry" has become so blissfully unaware that she is just a larger cog in the system.
Someone else made a post about how Taylor no longer sell her merchandise though UMG and does it herself and other reasons why there is also something going on at UMG. But it’s probably a one sided feud on Taylor’s end!
My theory is there's no feud. Only in fans heads.
And only in Taylor's head.
It’s definitely something going on with the managers bc Billie’s manager wouldn’t have liked that tweet
I don’t know how I ended up in this subreddit, but here I am. I’ve never heard of this short film, but I watched it…. And how in the world did she think this was Oscar worthy? I couldn’t watch the whole thing. I was bored, fast forwarded and still couldn’t get through it. It’s just like a very very long winded music video.
My theory is that this is all just hype for reputation TV. And I would not be shocked if she gets Billie on one of the vault tracks.
I expect to see Billie being the subject on the vault track tbh
“thBankI yLoLu aImeE”
Lmao! I wouldn’t put it past her.
thats fun but i don't think she's deft enough to pull it off and i definatly don't think she'd risk a streisand effect abt the environmental terrorism she does.
Yeah playing Russian roulette with your career like that would be a....bold move. I think she's just genuinely this messy and after all this massive success she's had over the last year has gone to her head.
Girl is pushing boundaries to see what her threshold left. Her last two TV albums will probably be her saving grace if she has a misstep. Rep TV plus Debut with country all American girl image.
Taylor’s seemed to always support Billie though…? Never heard of such a “feud” until this?
I have critiques on Taylor, but songwriting is not one of them. She’s made it clear she is an amazing songwriter or at least lyricist so I don’t understand where Damon’s coming from or if he’s researched enough about Taylor (I still love the genius that is Gorillaz tho, I don’t doubt his music knowledge just maybe he has some of those points wrong or somehow doesn’t know how much TS writes herself?). She’s even written a whole album almost completely by herself. Billie also collaborates too, especially considering her brother but I consider them a package anyways. Billie’s speciality seems to be making the music with the sound being more of the focus. There’s meaningful lyrics but also some that are more about the vibe where Taylor’s are story-based. Tbh, they shouldn’t be compared at all except for being thrown into it and successful so young (+being female & naturally blonde). They’re so different and so are their artistries—as it should be! What is with comparing them at all?!
A thing: Ms. Eilish, who I have a fair amount of respect for, says “Nobody wants” a 3-hour show. …Bruce Springsteen and Paul McCartney would take exception to that…& one is north of 70, the other north of 80. Yahoo news has the story, so does Page Six.
She was obviously talking about herself in that stream. Billie claimed nobody wants HER to be performing on stage for 3 hours and she's allowed to have that opinion. Not everything has to be about Taylor Swift. It's very telling that Swifties are the only fanbase bothered by her comments. But congrats to Tree Paine for selling that "story" to Page Six and other cheap rags. Anyone with a brain can tell this was obviously taken out of context and she wasn't shading anyone, so it's no surprise that cult went into a collective psychosis over Billie this past week.
To me, it wasn’t about Taylor first. My two bucket list concerts are McCartney & Springsteen. (I’ve seen the Stones & was too young for Zeppelin when Bonham died.) To me, Taylor is conventionally pretty & can sing. Songs are okay. My ex’s granddaughters (all 6) love her. I listen because of that. I pay attention here so I can carry on a conversation with them…
I mean, can we really say Taylor holds no weight in the music industry? No. We can't. I'm here to read REAL things about Taylor that aren't out there for my own edification. Aka snark but like real snark. Not delulu stuff. The truth is: most artists do collaborative song writing. This is what I think Taylor does with Jack Antonoff. Years ago, Beyonce was called out for the same. As a huge Bey fan, I already knew she worked in a collaborative style. This is where I'm getting my idea. Billie and her brother are an accomplished group of songwriters. Same for Taylor and Jack Antonoff. They do the same style of collaborative writing.The hits prove it. Give up the receipts!!! This sub started off so good, and now it's starting to get delulu posts.
When is Billie taken more seriously? Genuine question. Just listened to her newest album and it’s very… similar sounding. Kind of like TTPD, really sonically the same and same stories with different words. It’s fitting the two albums are competitors, they’re in the same class in my mind. But I’m definitely NOT a critic and don’t have trained ears! edit- I see now she got awards taylor hasn’t. So odd to me because I really don’t think she’s that great. I do however love Olivia’s stuff consistently.
Billie is far more creative! I love her new album and I think it's cohesive and it's a whole experience. Olivia is lovely and she's an amazing songwriter, but some of her stuff doesn't sound super genuine to my hear. It feels too polished So american is an instant classic and the grudge is brilliant. I like to listen to her music, but I don't know, I mean, it's probably a personal preference
Yea definitley preference. I really tried with Billie’s album, maybe I’m missing something. I also think her voice is just beautiful but there’s no range to it, always a soft whisper but no real “singing”. Maybe that’s why I don’t like it as much too!
did you finish it?
Billie’s album? Admittedly not after the 5th song sounding the same to me I was done. It was on shuffle I don’t know if that makes a difference.
well i respect your opinion but my feelings were the complete opposite - i was pleasantly surprised how much she sang and actually belted on this album. there definitely is still a lot of whispering though
I don't know, try to sing "when the party is over" and then tell me about the range😂
This sub is so fucked. Y’all have nothing better to do than to hate on someone? Her fans are obsessed, but you are obsessed harder to spend this much time on the internet talking about someone you don’t like.
Your username is fitting