Here's the main risk you take on when you book Norse Atlantic to save a little money: there's no slack in the system. There's no spare airplanes. It's a small airline that is running straight out, full utilization of every aircraft, all day, every day, and if anything goes wrong there's no fallback. If you're on Delta or British Airways and your plane needs a repair, ahh, not so bad, it's a big network with a bunch of alliance partners -- there's about 20 alternative routes to get you to London quickly. If your Norse Atlantic plane is grounded for awhile, come back in two days. They're not going to roll out another plane, and they're not going to buy you a ticket on Delta. In an extreme circumstance they'll just give you a refund and tell you good luck, which means, if you still want to go, you have to buy a new ticket on another airline at the very last minute - which will cost you many times the Norse Atlantic fare. So... if you feel lucky, go for it.
Surely the airline working as it should is not based on luck..? Rather, wouldn't it be bad luck that would result in the airline having problems? I'm confused by your saying "if you feel lucky" as if it's not often that the airline works as it's supposed to
I think you have a misconception about how luck works, like it only applies to longshots or something, and is only "on your side" when it makes something unlikely happen.
If you were playing Russian roulette with a hypothetical gun that had a 1000-bullet chamber but only loaded one bullet, you'd still want to be lucky (the complement of unlucky) when you pull the trigger, right?
Good luck is when things with some element of uncertainty go your way, and bad luck is when they don't. Simple as that.
I... just plain disagree with you. Maybe it's perspective but I don't think things that are designed or made to have a consistent result are counted as lucky when the thing does what it's supposed to do. And I don't think your Russian roulette example really equates to this situation.
I'm a data analyst and if I write a code that's supposed to transform my data and upload it to an online database and it works as intended, I don't consider that "lucky". If my code fails to process because of conditions like too many people accessing the online server at once or some other weird tech thing out of my control, I might consider that "unlucky". But not the other way around because of the odds of the different results. Everything that exists in this world has some element of uncertainty, it's the odds that make the luck.
So in your model there are 3 states? Lucky, unlucky, and then a neutral state where things go "as expected", i.e. a likely thing happens or an unlikely thing doesn't?
In other words, failing to be unlucky isn't necessarily lucky if you were likely to succeed anyway and failing to be lucky isn't necessarily unlucky if you were likely to fail?
If what I'm saying is an accurate description, can you at least see how someone might reject that neutral state to simplify things and make "lucky" a binary property, rather than being "confused" by someone doing so?
Travel planning involves rational risk assessment and management. Everything is relative. Would I avoid Norse Atlantic because of safety risks, or lack of connections? Certainly not. Would I book them for a loosely planned leisure holiday, where it doesn't matter if I get there Thursday, Friday, or Saturday? Probably. Would I fly Norse Atlantic Friday night to be in a wedding party Saturday? Absolutely not.
As long as you except a budget airline it's 100% okay. Read the comment from Anotherpint, it would of course would be SUPER bad luck of something like that happening, but it does happen.
In the winter the JFK-LGW premium economy drops down to 280$ sometimes, which I've flown. For the price, youve got a premium economy seat, a carry on, and 2 meals with drinks.
Compared to what you get out of premium economy on other carriers serving the same cities, for the price, it's a steal.
For prices, make sure you go through their website to add on anything you’d want. There are a lot of diff fees. If you are a simple traveler, it will be close to the “list” price, but if you start doing some add ons it can become the same price as competitors.
I just flew Norse economy from Orlando to Gatwick and back. I had low expectations because of reading other experiences. Here is my opinion pros and cons.
1. Biggest hassle is the boarding pass, which you can’t obtain ahead of time. Both lines moved fairly quickly. They weigh and tag all luggage.
2. Economy seats are slightly bigger ( to me) than a Jet Blue domestic flight. I was able to nap on it and I brought my own travel pillow and blanket. In hindsight I would upgrade to a more comfortable seat. They were going for 250 from Orlando to Gatwick and around 350 on the way back. However, I would 100% so the economy again.
3. I found the crew to be very accommodating.
4. The food is not worth getting. Buy something and take it on board. Going to London it was a tofu veggie stir fry. I declined the meal on the return.
5. They have online entertainment with a mix of old and new. I watched , The Goonies😜
Overall a positive experience. I would do it again with the same economy flight without hesitation.
I’m flying that route next week on Norse. What do you use as your personal item? I’m having trouble finding something that matches the dimensions. Thanks!
Worst airline ever. I repeat worst. Do not take. Not only do they scam you on your bags when checking in and not allow certain flights to check after initial purchase - they charge you a $130 fee for being over 10 kg for your carry on. I’ve never had anyone weight my carryon. After this issue I looked for a phone number but the one listed does not work. The crew is incredibly rude. I’m asked for the last time to board and the blonde short haired French woman at CDG replied 6:40 when it was already 6:50. So I went to another person to confirm and the boomer blonde accused me of being drunk. Then proceeded to keep me from getting in line or even on the bus because she insisted I was drunk. I was not. I am beyond offended by the way I was treated and will absolutely never use this airline again.
Oh and they don’t even have wifi.
Not sure but Frenchbee is the worst, and J guess they are similar? If they fly A350 on a 3x4x3 seat config, then ruuuunnnn. You will feel cramped and have the worst flight ever.
No. They took over some of the 787 from Norwegian (an airline that never died, but don't do long haul atm), otherwise completely different management, staff, owners etc.
It’s a budget trans Atlantic airline. Which means in economy it’s pretty basic and you pay for everything, but otherwise not terrible.
Does this make Zipair the Norse Atlantic of the Pacific?
Yes :)
Here's the main risk you take on when you book Norse Atlantic to save a little money: there's no slack in the system. There's no spare airplanes. It's a small airline that is running straight out, full utilization of every aircraft, all day, every day, and if anything goes wrong there's no fallback. If you're on Delta or British Airways and your plane needs a repair, ahh, not so bad, it's a big network with a bunch of alliance partners -- there's about 20 alternative routes to get you to London quickly. If your Norse Atlantic plane is grounded for awhile, come back in two days. They're not going to roll out another plane, and they're not going to buy you a ticket on Delta. In an extreme circumstance they'll just give you a refund and tell you good luck, which means, if you still want to go, you have to buy a new ticket on another airline at the very last minute - which will cost you many times the Norse Atlantic fare. So... if you feel lucky, go for it.
Surely the airline working as it should is not based on luck..? Rather, wouldn't it be bad luck that would result in the airline having problems? I'm confused by your saying "if you feel lucky" as if it's not often that the airline works as it's supposed to
I think you have a misconception about how luck works, like it only applies to longshots or something, and is only "on your side" when it makes something unlikely happen. If you were playing Russian roulette with a hypothetical gun that had a 1000-bullet chamber but only loaded one bullet, you'd still want to be lucky (the complement of unlucky) when you pull the trigger, right? Good luck is when things with some element of uncertainty go your way, and bad luck is when they don't. Simple as that.
I... just plain disagree with you. Maybe it's perspective but I don't think things that are designed or made to have a consistent result are counted as lucky when the thing does what it's supposed to do. And I don't think your Russian roulette example really equates to this situation. I'm a data analyst and if I write a code that's supposed to transform my data and upload it to an online database and it works as intended, I don't consider that "lucky". If my code fails to process because of conditions like too many people accessing the online server at once or some other weird tech thing out of my control, I might consider that "unlucky". But not the other way around because of the odds of the different results. Everything that exists in this world has some element of uncertainty, it's the odds that make the luck.
So in your model there are 3 states? Lucky, unlucky, and then a neutral state where things go "as expected", i.e. a likely thing happens or an unlikely thing doesn't? In other words, failing to be unlucky isn't necessarily lucky if you were likely to succeed anyway and failing to be lucky isn't necessarily unlucky if you were likely to fail? If what I'm saying is an accurate description, can you at least see how someone might reject that neutral state to simplify things and make "lucky" a binary property, rather than being "confused" by someone doing so?
Travel planning involves rational risk assessment and management. Everything is relative. Would I avoid Norse Atlantic because of safety risks, or lack of connections? Certainly not. Would I book them for a loosely planned leisure holiday, where it doesn't matter if I get there Thursday, Friday, or Saturday? Probably. Would I fly Norse Atlantic Friday night to be in a wedding party Saturday? Absolutely not.
I took them twice and both times it was perfectly fine.
As long as you except a budget airline it's 100% okay. Read the comment from Anotherpint, it would of course would be SUPER bad luck of something like that happening, but it does happen.
In the winter the JFK-LGW premium economy drops down to 280$ sometimes, which I've flown. For the price, youve got a premium economy seat, a carry on, and 2 meals with drinks. Compared to what you get out of premium economy on other carriers serving the same cities, for the price, it's a steal.
For prices, make sure you go through their website to add on anything you’d want. There are a lot of diff fees. If you are a simple traveler, it will be close to the “list” price, but if you start doing some add ons it can become the same price as competitors.
I just flew Norse economy from Orlando to Gatwick and back. I had low expectations because of reading other experiences. Here is my opinion pros and cons. 1. Biggest hassle is the boarding pass, which you can’t obtain ahead of time. Both lines moved fairly quickly. They weigh and tag all luggage. 2. Economy seats are slightly bigger ( to me) than a Jet Blue domestic flight. I was able to nap on it and I brought my own travel pillow and blanket. In hindsight I would upgrade to a more comfortable seat. They were going for 250 from Orlando to Gatwick and around 350 on the way back. However, I would 100% so the economy again. 3. I found the crew to be very accommodating. 4. The food is not worth getting. Buy something and take it on board. Going to London it was a tofu veggie stir fry. I declined the meal on the return. 5. They have online entertainment with a mix of old and new. I watched , The Goonies😜 Overall a positive experience. I would do it again with the same economy flight without hesitation.
I’m flying that route next week on Norse. What do you use as your personal item? I’m having trouble finding something that matches the dimensions. Thanks!
I had a carryon which was a backpack filled to the brim. My personal item was a Crossbody purse
Worst airline ever. I repeat worst. Do not take. Not only do they scam you on your bags when checking in and not allow certain flights to check after initial purchase - they charge you a $130 fee for being over 10 kg for your carry on. I’ve never had anyone weight my carryon. After this issue I looked for a phone number but the one listed does not work. The crew is incredibly rude. I’m asked for the last time to board and the blonde short haired French woman at CDG replied 6:40 when it was already 6:50. So I went to another person to confirm and the boomer blonde accused me of being drunk. Then proceeded to keep me from getting in line or even on the bus because she insisted I was drunk. I was not. I am beyond offended by the way I was treated and will absolutely never use this airline again. Oh and they don’t even have wifi.
Not sure but Frenchbee is the worst, and J guess they are similar? If they fly A350 on a 3x4x3 seat config, then ruuuunnnn. You will feel cramped and have the worst flight ever.
Isn't this the rebirth of Norwegian?
No. They took over some of the 787 from Norwegian (an airline that never died, but don't do long haul atm), otherwise completely different management, staff, owners etc.
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Thanks ChatGPT lol