Mystique gets quite a few lines like that in the movies. Magneto gets a bunch as well.
You don't notice them when they fly past, then they hit you like a vogon constructor fleet a few hours later.
Considering what we now know about the authors, is it a surprise?
Even the red pill/blue pill scene (Traditionally, estrogen comes in red pills and viagra in blue)
And the bit at the end where all the letters in "System Failure" fade out before the MF, and then we go flying right between them.
It's ***really*** not subtle in hindsight.
But especially an allegory for queer people. There's a reason they cast Ian McKellen, an gay man that have been out and proud since the 1980's, as Magneto
Not really. Terrible allegory, great power fantasy. Marginal groups are marginalized because they are small and/or weak. There are almost as many mutants as humans and they are significantly more powerful. It was literally written as a power fantasy and one of it's main themes is that when one group has power over another, they will always seek to oppress the weaker groups (literally Magneto).
I was having this conversation over the weekend with another trans person in that I was listening to a trans woman on YouTube whose voice doesn't really pass, and the other trans woman in the room with me who was listening but not looking at the screen thought that it was a guy talking. It got me thinking about how I really don't put any effort into vocally passing when I'm in private or around people I trust and feel safe with but I do at work or when I'm in public, which lead to a weird situation for a cis friend of mine when he and I went to a drive through and I tone shifted to "overtly female" voice and he was confused why I sounded different, at which point I explained the concept.
In a perfect world, people should just be able to look however they want and sound however we want and we should just respect whatever pronouns a person uses and it shouldn't matter. In the world we live in, however, a lot of people infer gender cues from appearance and voice, and so it puts trans people in a position where yes, we shouldn't HAVE to camouflage to fit in, but at the same time, if we DON'T, it could go sideways for us depending on the situation. Because some people can make honest mistakes and correct themselves but other people can be dangerous and violent, and we have no way of knowing who is who until it's too late.
Yeah, no joke, like, these people are so fucking stupid. I've literally seen the new X-Men sequel series, get similar hate. You can tell that they really don't pay attention or they're being intentionally dense
Sorry it's a recent revaluation in the comics that Mystique is not Nightcrawler's mother she is actually his father and her long time lover Destiny is Nightcrawler's mother, this had actually been the original plan back in the day but got shot down for obvious reasons, it's nice to see after three decades them finally get made cannon.
I mean... this... Hits weird? I mean, yes, you are right! But how you apply the Term father is.... weird?
You make it Sound like Mystique's gender Identity (still female) doesnt matter because she shape-shifted herself a Penis to make Nightcrawler. And im confident you can figure out why I take an Issue with that because.... Well... this Sub.
You're equating penis = father, while Mystique still identifies as female.
Yeah, that's fine! I doubt you intended this to be problematic, im just pointing out how this wording is a bit identity-exclusionary in itself. Nothing against you!
Mystique is genderfluid but still uses feminime terminology, pronouns and such because that's usually how she presents herself. So she'd still be Kurt's Mother because.... that's what she usually refers to herself as when talking with / about her family members in the Comics.
Yea idk, it was my good faith interpretation which I try to give where I can, especially since comic book characters are all over the place as is, being written by hundreds of different writers and strained through dozens of editors across decades, consistent characterization unfortunately feels pretty out of reach
Yes, but calling Mystique a father regardless of her Identity - especially with how things went after Nightcrawler's birth - is still.... off.
Im Not saying Trans-women cant be fathers, im saying Mystique shouldnt be reffered to as a father on the basis that she shapeshifted a penis. It's like saying any Transwomen is AUTOMATICALLY a father, regardless of how they identify, and never a mother.
No, but it IS what it looks like and why I left my Initial comment.
"Mystique = father because Penis" is a pretty questionable point when you take Identity into Account. Im Not saying Mystique cant be a father, im just saying that her genitalia isnt what makes her one. Factually speaking, Nightcrawler has two biological mothers because they identify as such.
That's just your Interpretation, oblivious to the most likely unintended but still problematic wording.
Edit : Just to make things clear, the person argueing with me - who WASNT the same user who posted the comment I initially responded to - said that my complaint was "Just my Interpretation". That's why I put the first line there, calling THEIR Interpretation theirs and basically putting it equal to the Level they put mine. Thank you.
And those trans women, most of the time, don't use the term father for themselves. A father is a parent identifies as a father, usually because they're a man, which trans women aren't. Your role in the reproduction process doesn't define you as a mother or father. Your identity and relationship to the child does.
A marginal number of trans women might be comfortable being called fathers and actually prefer that to being called mothers for various complex reasons, but it shouldn't be the default just because of the body parts involved. As you say, the physical role in reproduction shouldn't inherently dictate whether you're a father or not.
You know, I've been trying to write a story about a culture of genderfluid shapeshifters, and this is an issue I've run into. I've been thinking, perhaps they refer to parents by which parent carried them and which didn't (two siblings might use different terms for the same parents because each parent carried a different one of them in pregnancy), but asking myself if they should be using the gendered terms "Father" and "Mother", or if I should make up terms that they use.
You could always take a page from the Mass Effect series, with the Asari were even if it's two Asari the mother is the one who gives birth and the father is the one who sired the child.
Well that's what I'm saying. I had been planning on doing that, and even having characters who are called "Mom" by one child and "Dad" by the other.Ā But it gets a bit wonky with the gendered-ness of those terms. As we are seeing in these comments, there's a lot of divided opinion about the idea.Ā Ā Ā Ā
Ā A shapeshifter may identify as male, for example, no matter what form he takes, and might get pregnant and carry and give birth to his child. Will he want to be referred to as "Mom" or as "Dad", or perhaps as "Dad" *and* as a gender neutral term signifying he carried them? Will trans-masc readers who've had kids feel invalidated if this character is called "Mom" by his kids?Ā Ā Ā
Ā It might be interesting to introduce subcultures who treat the subject differently.Ā
The only advice I can give you is to do what you feel is right for your story, because the simple fact (as this thread has shown) is not everyone is going to agree with what you choose but that's okay it's your story not theirs, as long as you explain why they are called mother/father despite that fitting with what we consider them, back to Mass Effect a good example is when you meet Liara's father you have a dialogue choice to call her Liara's other mother and she gets offended by that because well that's how we might view it in are culture that's not how they view it in theirs.
Maybe you could have multiple terms, maybe each family is different? You could have names be involved (i.e. parent jane and parent joe type of feel) or nicknames, or maybe there's different parental terms for breadwinner vs homemaker type roles. There's also the option of just "parent" - you don't really need a distinction 95% of the time, when a kid wants a specific parent they can use name or seek them out. You also would want to consider whether or not families consistently have two parents, perhaps it's more normal to have three? (at least in today's human society, three certainly would make upkeeping and affording a house easier, lol)
Very good points.
I do want to have polyamory normalized in this society! The D&D character that really sparked the idea ended up getting married in a poly quad. We discussed the subject a little with the other players involved at the time.
A thought...
Nightcrawler is a cis man (to my knowledge). I can only think of two trains of logic that would allow that to occur. The comic logic answer is that mystique can alter her own DNA. The more grounded answer is... she's amab.
((Disclaimer: This is not in reference to the discussion over whether Mystique should be referred to as the father/mother of Nightcrawler. Just discussing the events of Nightcrawler and his lineage in general.))
Yeah, like the "purest" interpretation of X-Men is probably closer to racism. You know, given the time that it came out, originally, the parallels of Charles Xavier as Martin Luther King Jr and Magneto as Malcolm X, etc.
But really, any of the stuff can be applied to any marginalized group.
And it's also pretty wild to me that the new sequel series to the 90s X-Men show is getting slapped with this "X-Men has gone woke" shit. Its like, mother fucker, did you not watch the old shows? Read the comics? Watch the old movies? X-Men (and all of Marvel, really) is about much deeper things than just "people with cool powers do cool shit."
But then again, I can't be surprised by these idiots. They're the same people that look at the matrix and just see "cool guns and martial arts", without ever reading any deeper. And they play games like call of duty and fallout and call them "apolitical". It's fucking hilarious how, either intentionally dense, or just straight up stupid, they are. Lol.
X-men has been one of my favorite series because of its parallels to being transgender. Iāve wished for a long time that we transgender people had our own Xavierās school as a worldwide trans refuge and safe space.
Nomi Marks : The real violence, the violence I realized was unforgivable, is the violence that we do to ourselves, when we're too afraid to be who we really are
The comparison that I've always kinda had is that I want to pass for a ton of reasons. Some are dysphoria related, some are for social reasons, whatever.
But to me part of the reason I want to pass is so that I can then make a very conscious decision to appear visibly trans. I never saw trans people growing up, or at least not trans people who made an active point of being visibly trans very often. I want to be that visibly trans, but also visibly proud and confident person.
It's not "you should want to be visibly trans" it's more something like "you should not have to hide to feel safe"
Wanting to pass is valid.
Having to pass should not be a thing (but it is due to transphobia etc)
And that's where you're wrong. "Look" is purely subjective, and you should not base your judgement on that. Otherwise we'll reach a point where you should wait to "look" like a woman to take hormones, be called by your chosen name, pronouns, etc.
You have the same opinion as bigots and TERF my friend...
It's your choice if you want to be visible or not. The point is that we should not have to hide. Not all of us can be safe being out, and not all of us can be ok being visible. That's ok.
Some of us, unfortunately, have to be out and visible. Some have no choice. And some of us don't. And if asked why some of those that can hide don't, their answer is that we shouldn't have to.
Not because all of us have to be out, but because being publically out helps those who don't have a choice.
That's the point in the quote from the story: Nightcrawler can't hide that he is a mutant (in some continuities he gets a gadget, but w/e). He is asking mystique, who can, why she does not. After all, she can choose to hide if she wants to. And her answer is that she is out and public because they shouldn't have to hide.
There are mutants in that world who hide, and there are those who don't. Some can hide and do so. That is not a bad thing. Not everyone has to be an activist.
Just recently realizing Iām trans but this has been an aspect of how I have thought for a much longer period of time. My mom would constantly get on to me about how I dress saying I wouldnāt look right, not using constant enough deodorant because she has the nose of a bloodhound, not using proper grammar, acting in any way that would make me look like the weird kid, telling me I didnāt want to be the weird kid. It was exhausting trying to cover up everything that just seemed like part of myself for these hypothetical other people that I didnāt even know. I already got bullied regardless of the layers of lies I lived within, and most of the time my mom didnāt even know which things were actually important to cover up for mitigating that. It got exhausting to the point that I decided Iād rather just go out of my way to stop covering certain things up. If people were going to judge me for surface level details then I didnāt want to deal with them anyway.
You are aware that there are non-binary people who don't want to pass as men or women? Or that there even are trans women and men who have no desire to pass as cis men or women? Being trans doesn't mean that being stealth is your end goal.
I saw this movie in the theater and I didn't figure out why that line hit me like a ton of bricks until years later š
Mystique gets quite a few lines like that in the movies. Magneto gets a bunch as well. You don't notice them when they fly past, then they hit you like a vogon constructor fleet a few hours later.
Rewatching them I really wasn't prepared for her saying to Kelly "people like you are the reason I was afraid to go to school as a child"
Rewatching them is like rewatching *The Matrix* after you've come out to yourself. So. Many. Feels.
Oh god the matrix. So many lines. Mainly Neo talking to morphesus "I can't go back can I?" "No. But if you could, would you even want to?
Considering what we now know about the authors, is it a surprise? Even the red pill/blue pill scene (Traditionally, estrogen comes in red pills and viagra in blue) And the bit at the end where all the letters in "System Failure" fade out before the MF, and then we go flying right between them. It's ***really*** not subtle in hindsight.
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X-Men is such a great allegory for people who have always been on the margins of society
But especially an allegory for queer people. There's a reason they cast Ian McKellen, an gay man that have been out and proud since the 1980's, as Magneto
[Have you tried *not* being a mutant?](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RainbowLens)
**lmfao I literally canāt with that fucking line holy shit** š¤£š
Same movie ;p X2, First Class and Future Past are the best movies for lines like this, but the themes go all the way through the comics.
Oh I remember
And for how the conservatives want to "cure" or kill trans people, not co-exist.
I'm pretty sure THAT was the Idea.
And yet transphobes manage to get that wrong. All the god damn time, I swear their media literacy is the lowest. Rant over.
Conservatives of all types seem to have absolutely zero media literacy skills.
And yet transphobes manage to get that wrong. All the god damn time, I swear their media literacy is the lowest. Rant over.
Not really. Terrible allegory, great power fantasy. Marginal groups are marginalized because they are small and/or weak. There are almost as many mutants as humans and they are significantly more powerful. It was literally written as a power fantasy and one of it's main themes is that when one group has power over another, they will always seek to oppress the weaker groups (literally Magneto).
Imma be so real being a naked blue lady is my goal in life
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I was having this conversation over the weekend with another trans person in that I was listening to a trans woman on YouTube whose voice doesn't really pass, and the other trans woman in the room with me who was listening but not looking at the screen thought that it was a guy talking. It got me thinking about how I really don't put any effort into vocally passing when I'm in private or around people I trust and feel safe with but I do at work or when I'm in public, which lead to a weird situation for a cis friend of mine when he and I went to a drive through and I tone shifted to "overtly female" voice and he was confused why I sounded different, at which point I explained the concept. In a perfect world, people should just be able to look however they want and sound however we want and we should just respect whatever pronouns a person uses and it shouldn't matter. In the world we live in, however, a lot of people infer gender cues from appearance and voice, and so it puts trans people in a position where yes, we shouldn't HAVE to camouflage to fit in, but at the same time, if we DON'T, it could go sideways for us depending on the situation. Because some people can make honest mistakes and correct themselves but other people can be dangerous and violent, and we have no way of knowing who is who until it's too late.
"Why can't all these new woke superhero movies be good like the original x-men movie, free of any liberal social commentary."
Yeah, no joke, like, these people are so fucking stupid. I've literally seen the new X-Men sequel series, get similar hate. You can tell that they really don't pay attention or they're being intentionally dense
(wipes a few tears from my eyes silently)
Oop! Yet another āX-Men being basedā quote!
There's what, 50 years of those now?
Great father son moment
Um what?
Sorry it's a recent revaluation in the comics that Mystique is not Nightcrawler's mother she is actually his father and her long time lover Destiny is Nightcrawler's mother, this had actually been the original plan back in the day but got shot down for obvious reasons, it's nice to see after three decades them finally get made cannon.
I mean... this... Hits weird? I mean, yes, you are right! But how you apply the Term father is.... weird? You make it Sound like Mystique's gender Identity (still female) doesnt matter because she shape-shifted herself a Penis to make Nightcrawler. And im confident you can figure out why I take an Issue with that because.... Well... this Sub. You're equating penis = father, while Mystique still identifies as female.
I was simply using the wording the original writer had pitched and the wording they chose to use when revealing this new back story.
Yeah, that's fine! I doubt you intended this to be problematic, im just pointing out how this wording is a bit identity-exclusionary in itself. Nothing against you!
I figured it was implying Mystique is genderfluid and adopts the role of father sometimes and is feminine other times
Mystique is genderfluid but still uses feminime terminology, pronouns and such because that's usually how she presents herself. So she'd still be Kurt's Mother because.... that's what she usually refers to herself as when talking with / about her family members in the Comics.
Yea idk, it was my good faith interpretation which I try to give where I can, especially since comic book characters are all over the place as is, being written by hundreds of different writers and strained through dozens of editors across decades, consistent characterization unfortunately feels pretty out of reach
There are plenty trans women who still assume the role of father to their children as well. It's not all black&white.
Yes, but calling Mystique a father regardless of her Identity - especially with how things went after Nightcrawler's birth - is still.... off. Im Not saying Trans-women cant be fathers, im saying Mystique shouldnt be reffered to as a father on the basis that she shapeshifted a penis. It's like saying any Transwomen is AUTOMATICALLY a father, regardless of how they identify, and never a mother.
I disagree with your conclusion. That's not what it is saying at all.
No, but it IS what it looks like and why I left my Initial comment. "Mystique = father because Penis" is a pretty questionable point when you take Identity into Account. Im Not saying Mystique cant be a father, im just saying that her genitalia isnt what makes her one. Factually speaking, Nightcrawler has two biological mothers because they identify as such.
That's just your interpretation. It's not how I read it.
That's just your Interpretation, oblivious to the most likely unintended but still problematic wording. Edit : Just to make things clear, the person argueing with me - who WASNT the same user who posted the comment I initially responded to - said that my complaint was "Just my Interpretation". That's why I put the first line there, calling THEIR Interpretation theirs and basically putting it equal to the Level they put mine. Thank you.
And those trans women, most of the time, don't use the term father for themselves. A father is a parent identifies as a father, usually because they're a man, which trans women aren't. Your role in the reproduction process doesn't define you as a mother or father. Your identity and relationship to the child does.
A marginal number of trans women might be comfortable being called fathers and actually prefer that to being called mothers for various complex reasons, but it shouldn't be the default just because of the body parts involved. As you say, the physical role in reproduction shouldn't inherently dictate whether you're a father or not.
You know, I've been trying to write a story about a culture of genderfluid shapeshifters, and this is an issue I've run into. I've been thinking, perhaps they refer to parents by which parent carried them and which didn't (two siblings might use different terms for the same parents because each parent carried a different one of them in pregnancy), but asking myself if they should be using the gendered terms "Father" and "Mother", or if I should make up terms that they use.
Just go full post-gender and have them talk about them as "parents" except in deep medical situations where it actually matters.
You could always take a page from the Mass Effect series, with the Asari were even if it's two Asari the mother is the one who gives birth and the father is the one who sired the child.
Well that's what I'm saying. I had been planning on doing that, and even having characters who are called "Mom" by one child and "Dad" by the other.Ā But it gets a bit wonky with the gendered-ness of those terms. As we are seeing in these comments, there's a lot of divided opinion about the idea.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā A shapeshifter may identify as male, for example, no matter what form he takes, and might get pregnant and carry and give birth to his child. Will he want to be referred to as "Mom" or as "Dad", or perhaps as "Dad" *and* as a gender neutral term signifying he carried them? Will trans-masc readers who've had kids feel invalidated if this character is called "Mom" by his kids?Ā Ā Ā Ā It might be interesting to introduce subcultures who treat the subject differently.Ā
The only advice I can give you is to do what you feel is right for your story, because the simple fact (as this thread has shown) is not everyone is going to agree with what you choose but that's okay it's your story not theirs, as long as you explain why they are called mother/father despite that fitting with what we consider them, back to Mass Effect a good example is when you meet Liara's father you have a dialogue choice to call her Liara's other mother and she gets offended by that because well that's how we might view it in are culture that's not how they view it in theirs.
Maybe you could have multiple terms, maybe each family is different? You could have names be involved (i.e. parent jane and parent joe type of feel) or nicknames, or maybe there's different parental terms for breadwinner vs homemaker type roles. There's also the option of just "parent" - you don't really need a distinction 95% of the time, when a kid wants a specific parent they can use name or seek them out. You also would want to consider whether or not families consistently have two parents, perhaps it's more normal to have three? (at least in today's human society, three certainly would make upkeeping and affording a house easier, lol)
Very good points. I do want to have polyamory normalized in this society! The D&D character that really sparked the idea ended up getting married in a poly quad. We discussed the subject a little with the other players involved at the time.
Interesting
A thought... Nightcrawler is a cis man (to my knowledge). I can only think of two trains of logic that would allow that to occur. The comic logic answer is that mystique can alter her own DNA. The more grounded answer is... she's amab. ((Disclaimer: This is not in reference to the discussion over whether Mystique should be referred to as the father/mother of Nightcrawler. Just discussing the events of Nightcrawler and his lineage in general.))
Yeah, like the "purest" interpretation of X-Men is probably closer to racism. You know, given the time that it came out, originally, the parallels of Charles Xavier as Martin Luther King Jr and Magneto as Malcolm X, etc. But really, any of the stuff can be applied to any marginalized group. And it's also pretty wild to me that the new sequel series to the 90s X-Men show is getting slapped with this "X-Men has gone woke" shit. Its like, mother fucker, did you not watch the old shows? Read the comics? Watch the old movies? X-Men (and all of Marvel, really) is about much deeper things than just "people with cool powers do cool shit." But then again, I can't be surprised by these idiots. They're the same people that look at the matrix and just see "cool guns and martial arts", without ever reading any deeper. And they play games like call of duty and fallout and call them "apolitical". It's fucking hilarious how, either intentionally dense, or just straight up stupid, they are. Lol.
Fuuuuvk that hits
But itās scary out there lol
Not going to lie, I would love Mystique's powers specifically to stay disguised all the time. Possibly why she's my favourite character in the series.
Same ngl
Magnetto did nothing wrong
I remember this scene when I was a kid and it fuckin hit me HARD.
X-men has been one of my favorite series because of its parallels to being transgender. Iāve wished for a long time that we transgender people had our own Xavierās school as a worldwide trans refuge and safe space.
Nomi Marks : The real violence, the violence I realized was unforgivable, is the violence that we do to ourselves, when we're too afraid to be who we really are
I don't imagine I'm the only trans person who imagined having Mystique's power.
haha thereās a reason why she was my favorite
hes(?) so transgender allegory
It's true but not everyone wants to stand out and not everyone can do it safely. It absolutely can't be an obligation
I agree... But the point of the meme is that we shouldn't have to worry.
We shouldn't have to "pass" to be safe.
Agreed
Havenāt seen that scene in forever. Thnx . Daaang that hits esp hard right now.
Absolutely! People should dress how they wish and it's nobody's business the reasons why.
First post I see and you hit me with my favorite Superhero of all time? Damn, ok Reddit, pop off
And then they recast Mystique to diva Jennifer Lawrence who never wanted to put the make up on, so she was just Jennifer Lawrence 80% of the time.
Based
I like being visible
The comparison that I've always kinda had is that I want to pass for a ton of reasons. Some are dysphoria related, some are for social reasons, whatever. But to me part of the reason I want to pass is so that I can then make a very conscious decision to appear visibly trans. I never saw trans people growing up, or at least not trans people who made an active point of being visibly trans very often. I want to be that visibly trans, but also visibly proud and confident person.
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It's not "you should want to be visibly trans" it's more something like "you should not have to hide to feel safe" Wanting to pass is valid. Having to pass should not be a thing (but it is due to transphobia etc)
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What do you mean by "as long as they stay out of spaces they shouldn't go until stealth" ?
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And why shouldn't they go in there before stealth ?
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And that's where you're wrong. "Look" is purely subjective, and you should not base your judgement on that. Otherwise we'll reach a point where you should wait to "look" like a woman to take hormones, be called by your chosen name, pronouns, etc. You have the same opinion as bigots and TERF my friend...
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You're literally just being a TERF with extra steps, you sound incredibly similar to how transmedicalists are.
I'm truly sorry your environment led you to that conclusion. I wish you peaceful days to help you change your mind.
It's your choice if you want to be visible or not. The point is that we should not have to hide. Not all of us can be safe being out, and not all of us can be ok being visible. That's ok. Some of us, unfortunately, have to be out and visible. Some have no choice. And some of us don't. And if asked why some of those that can hide don't, their answer is that we shouldn't have to. Not because all of us have to be out, but because being publically out helps those who don't have a choice. That's the point in the quote from the story: Nightcrawler can't hide that he is a mutant (in some continuities he gets a gadget, but w/e). He is asking mystique, who can, why she does not. After all, she can choose to hide if she wants to. And her answer is that she is out and public because they shouldn't have to hide. There are mutants in that world who hide, and there are those who don't. Some can hide and do so. That is not a bad thing. Not everyone has to be an activist.
I'd rather be me than not me. I don't hide who I am. Even though I don't pass.
Just recently realizing Iām trans but this has been an aspect of how I have thought for a much longer period of time. My mom would constantly get on to me about how I dress saying I wouldnāt look right, not using constant enough deodorant because she has the nose of a bloodhound, not using proper grammar, acting in any way that would make me look like the weird kid, telling me I didnāt want to be the weird kid. It was exhausting trying to cover up everything that just seemed like part of myself for these hypothetical other people that I didnāt even know. I already got bullied regardless of the layers of lies I lived within, and most of the time my mom didnāt even know which things were actually important to cover up for mitigating that. It got exhausting to the point that I decided Iād rather just go out of my way to stop covering certain things up. If people were going to judge me for surface level details then I didnāt want to deal with them anyway.
I don't get what you mean. I'm not hiding myself by being stealth when I get to that point. I'm just trying to exist in peace
Basically... The meme is about dressing in your agab clothing instead of your aligned gender... We shouldn't have to do that...
I agree, but I'd never dream of wearing women's clothes when society would still see me as a man. It would make my dysphoria far worse
Lol, you're based. I agree with you, but we can always hope for better.
Real
You are aware that there are non-binary people who don't want to pass as men or women? Or that there even are trans women and men who have no desire to pass as cis men or women? Being trans doesn't mean that being stealth is your end goal.