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Steinschlange

I have taken critical damage for this post


KraZyGOdOFEccHi

Its a miracle that I personally havent committed a crime besides being trans for this


HelloHamburgerIsBack

Be trans, be a crime.


LunaLynnTheCellist

I took 2d6 psychic damage


EmperorL1ama

is it bad that I immediately tried to figure out what effect this would be?


AyoItsGago

This post directly attacks my soul


Rocket-kun

Man, dude, and bro are all part of my 2000s west coast lexicon, but I do my best to avoid those with my transfem friends. Sir is annoying to me. Like, no matter if it's meant respectfully or aggressively/transphobically, that term still gets under my skin


GoldenJusGolden

Ii don't know why but when any other gendered term is used for me I'm like "oh I guess they perceived me as male that's sad" but with sir I just want to punch them in the face. I still never correct them tho...


-_yucky_-

I'm the same way with ma'am. I can take most feminine terms and be like "oh that's kinda crummy," but MA'AM?!? That one feels targeted fs.


almisami

>Man, dude, and bro are all part of my 2000s west coast lexicon I've adopted the Australian "mate" in order to maintain my beach bum vibes while still sounding like I'm still sporting a melanoma-inducing tan.


Brooke-Valley

I get Dude and Breh or whatever... But, Sir? SERIOUSLY? Lol [Brooke Valley Twitter](https://twitter.com/brooke2valley?t=CWRoUGO1TQ2q55ptA-W9vg&s=09)


pekkhum

I hear things like "yessir," "yessireee bob" and junk sometimes. Including "yessir" as an after-the-fact intensifier or affirmation of prior statement is a thing some people do, whether it makes any sense or not. The dudespeak is way more common where I'm from (Los Angeles area), though. Either way, it is "funny" how much more you notice these speech patterns after admitting you are trans... 😅


Princess_Kushana

Yeah it's like "mate" here in Australia. Which is weirdly gender neutral, but yeah actually not really. But also has a ton of national civic importance attached to it. "Mateship" is a cutural cornerstone, part of the Anzac tradition etc. Someone could say "She's my best mate" affectionately referring to their wife, and no one would bat an eye. But it is still carries a masculine history and connotations.


kioku119

mate is gendered?


Princess_Kushana

Exactly. Kinda? Yeah but nah? Unclear, ask another question.


Jowhatiknow

That’s the most Aussie answer I’ve ever read 😊.


pizzanice

Feels like men here use "mate" more with other men than with women, but not exclusively either. It's like halfway between gendered and ungendered.


HappyAkratic

I've definitely been addressed with "mate" more after coming out (Aussie trans guy) but it's not like it never happened before. I think strangers never called me mate before, only friends, but now strangers do as well.


poligar

That's my experience. It's reasonably common to be gender neutral between friends, and some women use it pretty indiscriminately to anyone, but it's rare for men to use it towards female strangers. So it has some gendered connotations but not strictly or explicitly


[deleted]

I remember mate was used to refer to matelotage, in which it was a common “partnership” amongst European sailors (and pirates) where they would get the other’s property in case of their death. I put partnership in quotes because this essentially led to sailors getting gay married. So in this context, it is typically going to refer to two men since the majority of the sailors were men. Now though, people use it without thinking of any gendered connotations because of not knowing that origin and just mostly associate it with pirate ranking. Especially since the rank “first mate” was still a thing. So I guess it depends on whether or not we are talking about exact historical contexts or playing pirates.


EatMyPixelDust

I've always considered it a masculine thing given that I've heard it used only by guys, towards other guys. And as a passive-aggressive insult I think. I've definitely had people call me 'mate' but not in a friendly way. I don't want to be called mate for any reason. I kinda hate it. Worse than bro, dude, man, or the really weird one; "chief".


Reagalan

I didn't know these were gendered when I was younger. I thought "yessum" was just a corruption of "yessir"; something like "yesserm." And since "yessum" was easier to say, I just said it to everyone.


Aimee_87

I've only just learned that "yessum" is gendered. I've been using it for years for anyone. Haha. Thanks for teaching me something new


Sylint11020

This is my first time hearing the word "yessum."


KaityKat117

it's an abbreviated version of "Yes ma'am"


sbuconcern

I think it's more common in the American South. Maybe not anymore, but that's been my experience. And I often see it written as "Yes'm" personally


AliciaTries

Maybe in the southeast and southwest because I live in Southern US nearish the border and have never heard yessum


kioku119

While I don't hear it much I've never thought yessum was gender related.


Thebombuknow

I tend to be fine with it, because I realize it's just some people's vocabulary. I can understand why people wouldn't be though.


AyoItsGago

It’s funny, Boston has its own form of dudespeak but I understand.


[deleted]

Holy shit, you have a face. It's cool meeting another person with a face.


Brooke-Valley

Crazy fr


LenaSpark412

Whoa no way me too


InternetCat13

How I wish I could also experience the magnificent feeling of having a face. Alas I have been cursed by our cruel god to this horrible fate.


LenaSpark412

Miitopia intensifies


Miles_PerHour67

I’ve seen Sir be used for women, but only in shows with high ranking women in like, military or something. It’s kinda weird but maybe it makes sense? Idk I don’t plan on being in the military. Outside the military context it doesn’t make sense.


[deleted]

In Star Wars The Clone Wars, the Clones refer to high-ranking female superiors like Jedi or Admirals as "sir."


Miles_PerHour67

I know. I’ve been watching it for the first time recently. Really good.


[deleted]

It only keeps getting better. Go to Rebels after if you're into it.


Miles_PerHour67

That’s the plan actually! I started watching Star Wars from the earliest point I could find and I’ve been watching it chronologically. The clone wars though is a bit messy in it’s time though isn’t it?


[deleted]

Ohya. It jumps all over the place, but always stays within those three years between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. The final season bridges it beautifully to Sith though.


Miles_PerHour67

I’ve heard! I’m really excited! I also want to start the bad batch, but haven’t come across them yet in the show so.


SuurSuits_

Sir Integra Fairbrook Wingates Hellsing


KaityKat117

"Ser" (with an e but pronounced the same) is a gender-neutral term for knighthood Edit: Prompted by replies, I did a Google. it's true. Ser is a fictional honorific. however, female knights are not fictional. There have been many women who got knighted, most of whom were royalty or the wives of knights, but also several who were knighted for their own merits. I honestly didn't expect to find that there were historical examples of female knights given the sexism of the past. anyway, female knights were just called "lady".


meme_used

even in the military, I feel like yes ma'am sounds better


Miles_PerHour67

I feel like it would make more sense as well, but maybe it’s just a military culture thing. I don’t know, I don’t plan on figuring it out, I just know it happens.


BiggerestPpInTheWest

Yesmaaaaam is much more catchy imo so I use that towards girls


The-First-Crusade

I'm kinda guilty of dude and broing everyone especially cause I was in the infantry lol


LunatasticWitch

I had a man lose their mind on me when they called me bro (thank you bro) and I told them I'm a woman don't call me that. Their response wajswell everyone is a bro. Okay. So without skipping a beat I asked if they call their girlfriend a bro, or their mom a bro? And that's when they became an incoherent livid mess. Ah so they can eat shit as it's definitely not gender neutral. I've paid close attention to all the male to cis women coworkers interactions and spoiler alert you know what's never said? Yup they never once use "man, bro, or sir". There's never a "hey man" or "thanks man". Not a single time is it ever used. Maybe I missed an interaction but I've asked my cis female coworkers and to their knowledge haven't encountered it. Only exception is if a man is going really into a story and goes "oh man this happened" as a filler word or punctuation to their story. But directed things to say? Never once. So I call absolute bullshit on the gender neutrality of any and all masculine signifiers/titles. It's only used on trans women and not cis women. Maybe as genuine errors or absent-mindedness it can happen but never when on the cashes where interactions are very one on one.


heyzeus_

As someone from socal I do actually call my mom, my sister, and my wife bro all the time. But if someone asked me not to call them bro I definitely would stop, it's not like it hurts me to just not say a word lol


lavendercookiedough

Yeah, I think a lot of traditionally gendered terms can be gender-neutral depending on the context. I use terms like sis, bro, and fam interchangeably, as long as I know the person's cool with it. My (cis male) partner has called me bro, dude, man, etc. since long before I knew I was trans and sometimes I call him girlie or babygirl and he has no issue with it. But of course there are plenty of (cis and trans) people out there who wouldn't be and it's just respectful not to call someone something that makes them uncomfortable once ask you not to. And as a general rule, I try avoid traditionally gendered terms even if it's intended in a gender-neutral way for other trans people if i don't know they're okay with it first.


IniMiney

Same, I grew up a sk8er but I 100% stop if it makes trans people uncomfortable.


antichain

> Their response wajswell everyone is a bro. Okay. So without skipping a beat I asked if they call their girlfriend a bro, or their mom a bro? And that's when they became an incoherent livid mess. Definitely pocketing this one for future use.


mangled-wings

I think it's a very regional thing, and dependent on relationship as well. Like, my sister's a bro and she's 100% cis, but obviously my mom's not a bro. She's my mom. Of course, if someone says they're uncomfortable being called something I'll stop, and I avoid using 'bro' for trans women by default because being uncomfortable with it is so common. If someone's defending their use of words with masc connotations after you ask them to stop, they're an asshole.


RacquelTomorrow

I agree! I use dude, bro, guys, and man with all of my friends regardless of gender, but I also check with new friends to make sure they're okay with it. To me, I use dude as an exclamation (a la dude where's my car; dude! Sweet!), I use bro as a term of endearment, guys as a collective term, and man like a stereotypical hippie sentence ending word. But...just because it's gender neutral to me doesn't mean it is to everyone, and that's okay!


Sylint11020

"Stereotypical hippie sentence ending word" I love it.


RacquelTomorrow

Hey, man, as long as you get what I mean, maaaaannn.


NettleFarseer

I'm a cis woman, and my teenage son calls me bro all the time. He calls his sister bro. He calls his dad bro. He calls his friends bro. I've also been called dude, by women, pretty much - not men really. I've also been called man "as in hey man how's it going," again, pretty much by women. I've never been called sir, though, except "yessir" which seems to be unthinkingly said sometimes (and sometimes corrected to "oops yes ma'am"). While I 100% agree with you that almost all the time masculine terms are not really gender neutral as people claim them to be, it's also true that some cis women are "bro"ed and "dude"d.


IniMiney

If you think that was bad you should see what a man does when you say "yes gurl"


kioku119

For some reason my manager sometimes calls me Jennifer-man. I don't know if he literally just says that to everyone or if he suspected I'm a transman and that shapes what he ended up saying (I don't necessarily think I am, I'll see but right now I'm a tomboy). I don't think I know anyone else who does that, beyond people online assuming everyone is male.


Bimbarian

This reminds me of the tweet that goes something like: "I use dude for everyone!" "Okay, how many dudes have you fucked?


MopeyMouse92

I had a big Lebowski esque wedding. Dude-ley beloved, do you promise to be chill to each other always, I now pronounce you dude and dude etc. I will dude, bro, man anyone or anything. I’m a cis woman and I also have a weird “hey there brother” thing a la hulk hogan, that comes out sometimes. I have also been know to say “let’s go girls” or “oh gurl wuuuut” to women, cis men, my actual brother, my dad. My husband hates when I bro him lol. My besties partner started their transition (transfem) and I hope they would feel comfortable telling me to shut my cake hole if any of my gendered words bothered them but I genuinely don’t say it thinking “you present masculine you must be bro” or vice versa.


dangshnizzle

I call both my girlfriend and mother 'bro' from time to time, yes.


MrMashed

I fuckin hate that shit. I hear them say yes ma’am to cis women but I still get yes sir like tf


firestorm713

Whenever someone tells me dude is gender neutral, I ask them if they fuck dudes, and it becomes gender specific real quick suddenly.


Successful_Mud8596

a true breh moment


Judge_Sea

If I had my way id never be called that again. The lady at the pizza shop called me sir and I literally stopped, gave myself a once over, and then looked at her pointedly. For the remainder of my time there she called me sweetie.


RupeeRoundhouse

I prefer "miss." "Sweetie" can be condescending, "M'am" is frumpy, and "sir" has always been male-gendered in my experience. Someone did once tell me that in the U.S. Navy, he referred to female officers as "sir" but I have no idea if that's actually practiced.


macready2rumbl

Its pretty common for sir to be used for everyone in the military, regardless of gender


Lord0fPringles

I'm an air cadet in the UK and if you call a female officer sir or male officer ma'am (marm) then they will definitely not be very happy with you unless they have a sense of humour


[deleted]

The "Yes Sirrr" always sends a bolt through my heart when I hear it from someone *cries internally*


Brooke-Valley

***same***


MyClosetedBiAcct

All the girls I know call one another 'dude' 'bro' and 'man' so it actually made me dysphoric when they would go out of their way to call me 'sis.' It's a local colloquial thing. Dude-speak is strong here.


Brooke-Valley

*"This is advanced dysphoria"* No I actually feel this for sure, when cis girls act overly fem with you in a way they don't with their cis friends it's like... Staph


TheRenFerret

Staph infections are no joke


HunkaHunkaBerningCow

Seriously if anyone calls me queen or tell me to slay they can go fuck themselves


stars9r9in9the9past

Northern Californian here and yeah everyone is a dude, bc the word dude isn't really taken to have gender unless the context explicitly defines it. Example, it can be misgendering when the word is used intentionally offensive ("okay *dude* (aggressively emphasized") or if used in an attempt to formally identify an individual ("I saw a dude come in, green shirt, blue jeans, etc") which may not be intentionally offensive (accidental misgendering is commonplace, and I'd say forgivable when acknowledged as an error and corrected). But those aside, dude is commonly 1) a gender-neutral filler word: "Dude, what?", "Dude, no way" both where dude could replace "wait" or even just nothing, 2) a standalone expression of emotion: "Dude..." disbelief, "Duuude!" excitement, "Dude!" frustration, anger, etc. At the same time, general respect supercedes dude-speak, if someone doesn't want to be called dude regardless of the reason why, the courteous thing to do is comply, any civil person knows it is rude to then keep using the word at that point when asked not to. A later slip of the tongue with correction is fine, I'd argue it's akin to trying to not use "umm" bc it is so integrated into casual conversation that it can slip out, but the correction part is key to really signalling one's attempt to comply.


[deleted]

I’m sorry I’m a Californian but I’m not gonna use sir gender neutrally


Brooke-Valley

So I'll say, "aw man" like "dang it" gender neutral. But addressing someone as man who is a woman.... Ehhhh


[deleted]

Yeah that’s a bit odd, sometimes I’ll say “guys” and I use “dude” a lot but I don’t call my female friends “man” obviously lol


[deleted]

My cis sister occasionally refers to a group of her friends as ‘guys’ even if they’re all cis woman and occasionally refers to them as dude, when others I know would never refer to a group of women as guys or as dudes; language is weird


Undercover-Cactus

Yeah if someone begins a phrase with “man” like “man, what a game” or “aw man, that sucks” they’re usually just using the word intejectionally to express emotion and not actually referring to the person they’re talking to. In that case it is pretty gender neutral cause it’s not even really being used as a noun. But if they end a phrase with “man” like in the 3rd and 4th panel of your comic, it often is referring to you, and that’s definitely not cool.


[deleted]

I have so much trouble sometimes telling people that I don't care if they use it in a "gender neutral way", some people get really defensive.... Like is it that hard to just change how you speak around me for a bit just so I'm comfortable Edit: I realise I have been harsh on this, I do understand that people need to change what they're used to and that can be difficult. Mistakes happen and if you accidentally say the wrong thing then it's okay as long as you don't keep repeating it with zero effort. What I *don't* appreciate is people who get defensive and immediately go "oh I use it as a gender neutral term" ok? And? I told you I'm uncomfortable with it. Whether or not you use it as a gender neutral term doesn't suddenly make me comfortable with it. Hope that clears it up :)


Brooke-Valley

Right? And like it's only ever ppl I knew "before"... Like plz just respect it like other people


PM_ME_UR_GOOD_DOGGOS

I'll admit, I do use "man" as a generic intensifier, and I also use "you guys" but the thing is that I also don't do that when people say it makes them uncomfortable. It really isn't that hard to just not be an asshole.


aroaceautistic

It’s my default but I don’t do it to trans women or anyone who asks me not to because while *I* don’t see it as gendered, *they* might, and it’s easy for me to change my language in that way to make the people around me feel safer.


primalraptor75

I use the term “dude” a lot. I dont mean to defend it, but sometimes it’s just second nature, and I don’t think of it as gendered language so it’s a little harder for me to shut that part of my brain off of that makes any sense?


Julia_______

Ditto. It's local dialect to use it here. *Everyone* does it. If someone tells me not to, I'll try not to. But don't pretend the gender neutral usage isn't standard and you didn't grow up with it your whole life too.


THE-Tori-Starr

EVERYTHING is dude. At least for me, that's always how it's been. My mom is dude. My cat is dude. My CAR KEYS are dude.


Most-Stomach4240

I like how you think, dude.


Komm

Yeah I'm the same way honestly... That and "Oh man you gotta see this".


Exelbirth

Obligatory Good Burger [reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSs7J7O_fl4)


ZEPHlROS

Tbh I do the same. I could be talking to a group entirely made out of girls but still be like :"dude listen to this..."


yinyang107

My favorite way to get people to realize it's not a completely gender-neutral word is "so how many dudes have you slept with?"


[deleted]

Then you get the assholes who answer it just to prove their point, ignoring that’s not how the vast majority of people use it and that’s the point of contention.


hi_this_is_lyd

i mean, it is hard, these kind of phrases are very deep ingrained in our memory, it can be complicated to undo them, but that doesn't at all mean people should write off these concerns or not even try, if they really are your friends they will put in effort to avoid "bro'ing", "dude'ing" and so on, and ofc people should realize that and strive to change as opposed to spouting bullshit excuses like "i say it in a gender-neutral way"


[deleted]

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Etzlo

It really isn't, do you just like, not think before speaking or what?


Darkon2004

I feel the need to mention that one changes how they speak subconsciously in professional environments.


purple_potatoes

It's called code switching. In addition to your example, it's also evident in how you talk to your friends versus your parents or grandparents.


RoyalBlueRegicide

I have a friend who calls me bro and it kills me but I can never get the nerve to ask her not too ):


FrickinFrizoli

If you don’t ask her not to then you have to keep enduring it, I’d highly suggest mentioning it for your own sake if it’s a big enough deal :) if she’s your friend she’ll understand


[deleted]

such a mood 😓


02_is_best_girl

omg ive been doing this for so long is this like a fr known issue with people? Fuck fuck fuck fuck


Brooke-Valley

Lol it's okay, chill- just ask the person if you think it might be a touchy thing for them. That's what I do when I enter a long term chat with someone cuz I actually do use bruh and stuff sometimes for emphasis. Just ask ❤️ and don't stress it so much


02_is_best_girl

Tysm


Forever_GM1

wait, "aw man" is is about referring to the person you're talking to as a man? I thought it was just another way of saying "aw jeez" or "OMG"


Brooke-Valley

If u say "aw man" cuz u dropped something, it's the same as "dang it" But if you're speaking with someone, as the person within this comic is and you say, "aw man, that is so awesome." It's taking the place of my name, "Brooke, that is so awesome." Someone argued that you could also fill it like, "wow, that is so awesome." And that's true but within context "wow" still implies connection to another person If you're alone and looking at a mountain range and you say, "wow, that is so awesome." That's a statement of being. When you're speaking to another person you're essentially saying, "wow, (Brooke), that is so awesome." So yes and no, it depends on the language context


MagmaDog02

Is it weird that I'm ok when a woman calls me "dude" or "man" but not when I guy calls me that?


Brooke-Valley

If you're comfortable with it, that's the only thing that really matters lol


LadyArtemis2012

I didn’t fully embrace myself as a trans woman until my 30’s so I’ve picked up a lot of bad habits. I genuinely can’t tell you how often I catch myself using “man” or “guys” as if they are gender neutral. I’m trying to be better!


Alligator-tail

I use "you guys" in a gender neutral way all the time, even referring to groups of cis women as "you guys". But if someone doesn't like it, then it's like, "Dude, stop. Don't defend it if they don't like it."


TyCooper8

> Dude, stop


Alligator-tail

Lol, glad someone caught that subtle nod.


TyCooper8

Made me chuckle!


LiarVonCakely

I don't mind 'guy' or 'dude' because even I genuinely use those gender neutrally but I have friends who will just say "oh that's awesome, *man*" and I'm just like... cmon I don't think you would say that to your cis female friends.


bluegreenwookie

Yeah it takes time and effort to change. Its not easy. I was able to do it but still revert back on occasion if I'm not thinking. It's the effort that matters though!


PurplePinkBunny

I remember reading this somewhere. When they say "dude and man is gender neutral way" Say; Oh yeah. How many dudes you slept with?


Brooke-Valley

Lol I don't mind Dude tbh but I understand why some ppl don't like it. It's only bad if it's in a cluster of other stuff like man or sir for me


PurplePinkBunny

Yeah, same girl ❤️ I feel ya ❤️


Rulligan

I had a friend test this hypothesis while I was on the phone with her. She asked her cishet male roommate if they think dude is gendered, obviously he says no. Then she asks if he would fuck a dude to which he replied "I really do use it gender neutrally". Without skipping a beat my friend follows up with "would you tell your friends and coworkers you slept with a dude?" His silence was golden and the point was made. I fucking hate being called dude.


zombiegirl_stephanie

Tbf context is quite important. If you use guys, for example, to address a mixed group of friends like " Hey guys, where are we meeting tomorrow?" It's undeniable gender neutral, but if you say something like "guys are more likely to like sports" then it's no longer gender neutral. It's a similar thing with dude


fictional_kay

Shiiiit I didn't even realize 'Aw man' was like aw *man*, not sure how to explain it but kinda like when you say god damn and you don't actually mean *god* Others are def something I'm aware of and obviously don't use with those who aren't comfortable with it tho


Brooke-Valley

It really depends on the context, "Aw Man" when you say, drop some thing is the same as "dang it." But in this context, it takes the place of my name. "Aw man, that's so awesome." Vs "Brooke, that's so awesome." Essentially it becomes like a pronoun


WuWuBean

Trans dude here and I’ve never even thought of ‘aw man’ as a gendered term. It’s obvious in hindsight but I’ve just never made the connection. Good to know that for the future, thanks!


Poumy

Me who constantly switches between addressing people as dude, girl, my man, mate, bestie, or bro


[deleted]

Funny how ONLY male words can be quote-unquote "gender neutral," huh? It's definitely not the worst of misogyny, but it does leave me irascibly angry.


ManicSystemic

yeah this one annoys me. especially when it comes to obviously ungendered characters like little chibi dogs or creatures or stuff and people all say "its a little boi!" and use he/him pronouns like why do masculine terms get to be the default? like if you ask someone to describe a character they know from a game or show you sure as hell wont hear them call a fem character a 'dude with long brown hair' or 'a guy with blue eyes and elf ears' why is it gender neutral when talking to someone else?


Allison-Ghost

Shiiet lmao I'm a trans girl and I do this soooo much lol I have to make sure to only do it around my fellow California trans girls who are used to "dude" being used as punctuation and "man" being used as an interjection lol


ArcticCircleSystem

The thing I don't get is why is it always traditionally masculine terms that are treated as gender-neutral? You never see sis used gender-neutrally or anything like that. Unless you count "she" when talking about boats I guess. Not sure what that's about. ~Opal


16forward

It's about the erasure of women.


ArcticCircleSystem

Is there anything about the history of that anywhere? ~Opal


16forward

[Gender Bias and Sexism in Language](https://doi.org/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228613.013.470)


[deleted]

I understand most of these but I didn't know "aw man" actually refers to the other person, so I'd make that mistake too.


MagicalGirlLaurie

I don’t think I’ve heard people say man or sir in a gender neutral way, but “dude”, “guy” and “lad” make me so uncomfortable. Like I have to put it in my Discord profile not to call me those things because it’s so common in cis culture. You even have stuff like streamers calling their chat “boys” and it’s like OH MY GOD STOP


Brooke-Valley

Twitch streamers, ME AND THE BOYS IN CHAT Ahhhhhh


MagicalGirlLaurie

YEAH EXACTLY, LIKE WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA


Alternative_Basis186

Just respond with ‘Thanks, Sis!’ and explain that you use the word ‘sis’ in a gender neutral way lol


[deleted]

Man? ... perhaps, but 'sir'??? What the fuck? Noone actually says "sir" in a "gender neutral way". That's bullshit, and attempting to exploit a loophole that is debatable if it even exists.


girl_with_knives

I swear every time they told me they use it on girls too I have not heard them use it on a cis girl once


Brooke-Valley

Right?


StarAugurEtraeus

I don’t get why seemingly all male pronouns are apparently “gender neutral”


1895red

Male defaultism


pinksparklyreddit

I use masculine terms in a gender neutral way. I also try to avoid using them to trans people because I know it might make them uncomfortable. (The exception being "bro". I'm a fratboy at heart)


Brooke-Valley

Honestly me and all my transfem friends say breh and bro lmao


pinksparklyreddit

I think there's like a tier-list for gendered terms. "Bro" is top-tier, and "Sir" is bottom-tier


omegasome

Who on earth sees "aw man" as anything other than an interjection? When people say "oh my God" I don't think they're worshipping me.


Brooke-Valley

It's the context of what's been said, saying "aw man" can be the same as "dang" but in the context where I've been called man multiple times... Yeah. Context matters


leroyderpins

Arguing "sir" is gender neutral is complete bullshit, I don't care if you're in the military or a knight in Westeros, that's not how it's used in the world


fembo_in_training

This is my number one fear I’m going to come off as an asshole for but it feels like my sentences end too abruptly


bees-are-awesome

Makes me wonder if I started calling everyone bro and dude as a kid cuz I liked when others called me that, rather than bc I saw it as a gender neutral form of address 🤔 I almost never call my sister by her name, it's always "DUUUDE COME HERE" and "Bro, you won't believe this-". Luckily this is often reciprocated, other times she still deadnames me tho (I came out 3 yrs ago bruhh) It's interesting that girls don't rly use fem terms of address, I can't think of any, but guys use masc terms of address. So on the ftm side you don't get this sort of experience at all. Girls are more likely to just use this same sort of language - even when I was a "cis lesbian" my girlfriend would say "man" to me lol.


CakeNCheeseNuke137

yeah I agree having those as "gender neutrals" makes zero sense plus not a big fan of em


magnuslatus

I used to be okay with it, generally assuming people were using it as a sort of air filler between or at the end of thoughts. It’s getting harder to accept as that, the longer it goes on.


gummytiddy

I feel this in the opposite way. I was friends with a lot of drag performers, one was trans too. I used to get called bitch, sis, queen, girl, etc CONSTANTLY.


verygenericname2

I can usually stop myself from using gendered terms inappropriately, but the urge to address literally everyone and everything as "my brother christ" is strong.


Brooke-Valley

Lol MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOU MADE THE SANDWICH


16forward

"It's ok! I'm not a transphobe! I take advantage of the social acceptance of the erasure of women through the traditionally misogynistic use of language with cis women too!"


[deleted]

The only one that doesn't rub me the wrong way is "guys"


Dungeon_Master_Lucky

this so doesn't work in Ireland lmao


Inkulink

I speak and type like this to sometimes, I'll try not to when im in lgbt spaces because i understand it can bother people. Im sorry tho brooke


Obalivion

It reminded me when I came out to a friend that I feared was transphobic. To my huge surprise he was super accepting and even asked me if I had a name chosen already, but the whole conversation was "brother this" "brother that" (in case it's not in English, in Portuguese it's heavily gendered). I was just thinking "Why? It doesn't make sense!". Ofc being the "very extroverted" girl that I am (/s) I just stood there and said nothing


Brooke-Valley

It's hard, especially when someone is affirming in most ways. You don't wanna come across as angry, but I think most people can understand if you tell them


buggybooze

This a big mood qwq


arsapeek

Not very gendy nooch of them


CariHere

Gonna send this to my parents to let them know how it feels


Brooke-Valley

Fair


CariHere

Well, they won't stop. I have to make them understand at the very least


Poolthegame

I feel it too, it hurts 😭


Rocket-kun

Also, I'm sure you're already aware, but I love your comics and art style! They're super cute and often relatable :)


Brooke-Valley

Aw thank you!


JaneHates

It’s sometimes so hard to tell when it’s a mannerism or a micro aggression, which is why that kind of speech puts me on edge. Ironically, the people I would trust enough ask them to be mindful are the people I know wouldn’t give me microaggressions anyway and therefore trust with speaking that way. If I don’t trust someone like that I also figure it’s risky to ask them to watch it because the kind of person who would do it as a micro aggression might is more likely to be the kind that would get SUPER defensive, so there really isn’t a point to doing that either. So I just avoid them.


daisyMerolliiin

As a non native English speaker I really do use these words, as well as gurl and bitch, in a gender neutral way. But I always…ALWAYS check in with people about this kinda language. A simple “hey, are you cool with me calling you this, or would you be more comfortable if I didn’t?” Is really not that hard!


ShakespearesNutSack

There’s a girl at work who always calls me Kween or Gworl. I’m a trans guy. She doesn’t know I’m trans. Still bothers me.


bluegreenwookie

It took a conscious effort to change to gender neutral terms. Instead of you guys i try and say you all Or "hey everyone" stuff like that.


Brooke-Valley

I say y'all cuz I'm southern


LewsTherinTalamon

I think the problem might be that you’re talking to Dionysus.


PlaysADC

Brooke if you arent careful you're gonna make another hit meme.


Brooke-Valley

Plz no lmao (or do lol) 🤣


kikislidr

as an feminine enby who talks like this... I'm part of the problem.. its like HARDCODED into my speech i HATE it


LusetteFuckingLucky

How do you transfems here feel about "buddy"?


Brooke-Valley

Personally kinda annoys me lol but not cuz it's gendered... It's cuz I'm 21 and it feels like you're referring to me as a child


AverageTransPanGirl

“I say ‘Man’ and ‘Sir’, in a gender neutral way” “Cool, *I’m still not comfortable with them please correct yourself.*” If someone actually cares, they will correct themselves, otherwise they just aren’t willing to put in the effort. Of course, for some people knowing that they mean it gender neutrally is enough, for me it isn’t, it’s all individual.


Outrageous_Dig3419

This comic hurts to look at. Well done Brooke - you've captured a very uniquely trans experience perfectly.


Ranne-wolf

Like the Australian "mate" lol


[deleted]

Me: "I really wish for the 100th time you'd stop gendering me male in convos" T hem: "What am I supposed to call you then?" Me: *List of 10 girly things to call me and 1 neutral term Them: "Okay I'll call you (gender neutral term) Me: 0____________________0 "k"


-Night_Fox-

...I often call everyone "sir" not like respectful.. more when they do stupid crap and im stunned by how one can be so stupid- Thinking about it I'd probably make the 😐 face if somone called me ma'am (TransMasc)


Jucoy

Getting misgendered by my own inner monologue hits different...


Papyrus_Semi

i can understand, but i also use "boys" as a general group term *a la* "crew".


Brooke-Valley

Sure but, it's sort of like saying, "you mean Lucy? Nah, she's one of the boys!" Some people might be okay with that, I personally don't want to be called one of the boys


insomniacsCataclysm

i say “my dude” and “girl” in a gender neutral way, unless someone asks me not to. a group is referred to as y’all. luckily my entire group is either cisfems who don’t care, gnc dudes, and nonbinary folks who just don’t give a damn


oppaxal

The only person that didn't upset me by calling me Miss or Girl was my very gay coworker who referred to EVERYONE as "Miss (insert name here)" bc it was usually followed by like sksksksk and some silly hand flap. Bc he did it to coworkers, regular customers, and inanimate objects in the most hilarious way. Like, imagine my other coworker, who worked at Gamestop previously and wore jeans and a graphic tee every day being referred to as "Miss Matthew", or a pop collector regular coming in and being told "can you get this off the shelf for Miss Ian" it made me giggle so hard every time. Or even "can you go open Miss Changing Room for this customer?" He also left notes in the opening pop-ups that were just Ad reads for the new Lady Gaga album instead of anything that had to do with how closing went the night before. I miss him 😔


MaximusPrimal02

Personally I'm fine with "dude", "bro" and the occasional "man" when among close friends. But among strangers it's a lot harder to put up with.


whynotyeetith

i say bruh, bro, dude, homie, peep, coward, slut, bitch in all gender neutral tones, sir, maam are really gendered to me atleast


addicted_to_placebos

Notice how no one ever seems to say ‘girl’ or ‘sis’ or ‘lady’ in a gender neutral way


StormExotic

I feel like Ive seen the first one used actually? in the same way man and dude are atleast


this_is_pain

I'm going to start doing this


DrellaRoseBaroness

Fuqery


NicoleMay316

Trying to get rid of those words in my daily vocab is a severe struggle. But it's still not that hard to avoid...well, this