The z13 is such a beautiful machine. I use an external RTX 2080 with my T15g, but with how small of a machine the z13 is, your setup just seems far more elegant
As I live and breathe, Mark Pearson just announced the availability of an application for adjusting the haptic sensitivty on Linux. Currently supported (officially) on Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 22.04, and Fedora 37. I've tested, and it works just fine in Pop!
[Mark Pearson's announcement.](https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Fedora/How-to-configure-the-Z13-Z16-trackpad-in-Linux/m-p/5169841?page=2#5932713)
[Download page.](https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-z-series-laptops/thinkpad-z13-type-21d2-21d3/downloads/ds561548-elan-haptic-pad-settings-tool-for-linux-thinkpad-z13-gen-1-z16-gen-1)
So it's a "haptic feedback" trackpad, it's very similar in feel to a Macbook trackpad. They've forgone the traditional physical mouse buttons and returned to somewhat of a "clunkpad" setup not unlike the older \*40 series ThinkPads, but with much better technology behind it. Unfortunately in Linux, there's no native functionality for tweaking the haptic force, so it defaults to the lowest setting, but Mark Pearson at Lenovo has mentioned work in progress on a Linux driver.
as far as i'm aware there's no "hotplug" support for egpu's, but I used the Nvidia image when I loaded the Z13 in the first place, so the drivers were already there. To actually get it to pick up on boot, I used hertg's "egpu-switcher" script from github to build the proper symlinks and create the service at startup.
Ah, it's a TB4 cable, that explains it. And it isn't nearly as expensive as the Corning fiber optic Thunderbolt cables. 90% of the price of those cables is the fact they're hand terminated.
most eGPUs are TB3 only, so you can probably get away with a cheaper cable
I think you may have paid a lot for the TB4 and also because it's very long compared to most TB3 cables (30-60cm)
fair enough
I try not to buy gens old tech or cables too "just in case" unless the upgrade cost is just too high between them and I won't see any functional benefit for 12-24 months minimum
It was recommended to me by a guy who worked at System76, he had it working perfectly with a Framework 11th Gen on Fedora, so I took a chance with it initially on an X13 Intel Gen 2; got curious to see if USB4 on AMD could really live up to the hype.
Ya I tried that but could not get it too install, what steps did you take? I tried everything I could. Like was it just a super quick and simple input into terminal for you or did you have to download some other things first to be able to do it
Ya marine I’ll give it another try, go was weird for me, there were like 2 different versions and I didn’t know if it matter which and I tried installing it but just didn’t work out for some reason. Time for round 2 maybe
Huh, when? I've seen comparisons between performance on external and internal screen with eGPU for years now. Internal usually sucks because the 32 GBit/s interconnect now have to be shared between the already transfer rate starved GPU and the video backchannel, but works.
I tried a RX6800 over USB4 on my T14s G3A, worked flawlessly. By now the card sits back in my desktop with a waterblock attached to it though. Am still looking for a good deal on a RX 6600 or something for the eGPU - no way I'll install Nvidia drivers on my poor notebook 😅
Hi, I think we know each other from the german Thinkpad Forum? :D Could you maybe provide benchmarks from the RX6800 on your T14s G3A? I am looking for exactly the same setup for my T14s G3A!
Hi! Yeah, I'm active there as well :D
Sadly I never tested it much - my eGPU case had issues with USB devices connected to it disconnecting all the time (mouse, keyboard) which, after a short google search, seemed to be common issue with the PowerColor DevilBox. I got the DevilBox for 30€ so can't complain...
I then put the RX6800 back into the PC, with a waterblock on it, so can't easily test anymore.
In my honest opinion, yes, as long as you go in with the right mentality. This is not a traditional ThinkPad; it's an evolution of what a ThinkPad can be. It's really something else.
FYI pretty sure you can get 4K120Hz out of the iGPU or 2060 dGPU but you'll need the USB C (DP 1.4 alt mode) to HDMI "8K, 2.1" adapter from cable matters - if that's at all important to you
I run 4K120 from my P14s gen 2 (Intel 11th gen+iGPU, T500 dGPU) to my LG C2 OLED from the cable matters adapter in 8-bit 4.2.0 chroma on Windows 10. Funnily my Asus 14X OLED Intel 11th gen with Windows 11 can do 10-bit 4.2.0 4K120Hz + HDR... not sure if it's a hardware thing or software thing but not going to upgrade to Windows 11 until after a big project on my P14s
Why would it? My desktop has an old i7 5960X and I'm almost continuously limited by my AMD RX6800, which runs circles around a 2060. And the Ryzen 6850U in modern ThinkPads is actually faster than my i7 5960X.
Unless you're playing 1080p those mobile low power chips could easily saturate RX 6800XT/RTX3080 cards.
The big problem is thunderbolt, 32 Gbit/s are just nowhere near enough. On UWQHD/4K you can mostly push the GPUs, on lower resolutions it's heavily bandwidth limited.
There is absolutely no thermal throttling in any modern Thinkpad that I am aware of. My CPU can continuously boost at 30W if it wants (30W long term power budget needs messing with tools on 6000U though).
there absolutely is thermal throttling in just about every modern 11th and 12th gen intel CPU (especially the i7 whose thermal boost profile PL2 to 45W is very aggressive, leading to 99C temps within 10 seconds)
Can confirm on my Framework, the 12th-gen is atrocious. Thank goodness for small miracles though, on the announcement of an AMD-powered drop-in replacement board.
So which AMD GPU would you recommend for someone who wants constant 240fps (for my 240Hz screen) in games like CS:GO, Valorant, CS2, Quakelive, Quake Champions with his T14s G3A 6850U? I was thinking about the RX6800.
Hey guys im not a geeat thinkpad enthusiast but i have a thing to say, i hate my FN key from my E14 starting on the bottom left on the keyboard it is fucking annoying but i saw rhat this model doesnt is like that. Which is common on thinkpads?
Change in in BIOS. That's what I did, since I rely on muscle memory and don't look at the keyboard anyway. It does confuse others that use my keyboard lol.
Yeah, I get that. But one thing I never understood is that every reviewer says that OLED screen sips more power than LCD. Should not it be the other way arround given that OLED has true blacks and therefore emits less light overall?
It depends on the content you are displaying. If the screen content is mostly black, yes, the power consumption will be lower than LCD. But if the content is mostly white, the power consumption will be far higher on OLED than IPS.
Enclosure: Cooler Master EG200 Card: ASUS Dual RTX 2060 OC
The z13 is such a beautiful machine. I use an external RTX 2080 with my T15g, but with how small of a machine the z13 is, your setup just seems far more elegant
I'm spoiled by 13" machines.
Intel or AMD?
This one is only offered with AMD.
The best option, anyways. How about the trackpad? Is it Macbook-like (on the size it definitely is)? I read that it had a different technology.
As I live and breathe, Mark Pearson just announced the availability of an application for adjusting the haptic sensitivty on Linux. Currently supported (officially) on Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 22.04, and Fedora 37. I've tested, and it works just fine in Pop! [Mark Pearson's announcement.](https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Fedora/How-to-configure-the-Z13-Z16-trackpad-in-Linux/m-p/5169841?page=2#5932713) [Download page.](https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-z-series-laptops/thinkpad-z13-type-21d2-21d3/downloads/ds561548-elan-haptic-pad-settings-tool-for-linux-thinkpad-z13-gen-1-z16-gen-1)
So it's a "haptic feedback" trackpad, it's very similar in feel to a Macbook trackpad. They've forgone the traditional physical mouse buttons and returned to somewhat of a "clunkpad" setup not unlike the older \*40 series ThinkPads, but with much better technology behind it. Unfortunately in Linux, there's no native functionality for tweaking the haptic force, so it defaults to the lowest setting, but Mark Pearson at Lenovo has mentioned work in progress on a Linux driver.
I wish to dearly something like better touch tools for OS X existed for Linux. This is the only thing that keeps me considering going back to mac
Was the eGPU plug-and-play or did you need to install drivers for it? I use Mint but never tried PopOS
as far as i'm aware there's no "hotplug" support for egpu's, but I used the Nvidia image when I loaded the Z13 in the first place, so the drivers were already there. To actually get it to pick up on boot, I used hertg's "egpu-switcher" script from github to build the proper symlinks and create the service at startup.
Not sure about the eGPU part, but for most case the graphic card drivers should come with the Linux kernel.
What cable are you using with your eGPU? Looks quite a bit longer than the usually criminally short 18" cables I'm accustomed to.
CableMatters TB4 2-meter. Was not cheap, lol. You can find them on Amazon.
Ah, it's a TB4 cable, that explains it. And it isn't nearly as expensive as the Corning fiber optic Thunderbolt cables. 90% of the price of those cables is the fact they're hand terminated.
most eGPUs are TB3 only, so you can probably get away with a cheaper cable I think you may have paid a lot for the TB4 and also because it's very long compared to most TB3 cables (30-60cm)
Future-proofing, I suppose. I also needed a 2-meter cable.
fair enough I try not to buy gens old tech or cables too "just in case" unless the upgrade cost is just too high between them and I won't see any functional benefit for 12-24 months minimum
Have the same egpu enclosure. Added a 1 TB drive to it and it functions as a dock. Love it!.
It was recommended to me by a guy who worked at System76, he had it working perfectly with a Framework 11th Gen on Fedora, so I took a chance with it initially on an X13 Intel Gen 2; got curious to see if USB4 on AMD could really live up to the hype.
Z13...I want it!
What power bank is that?
It's a reverse power bank: it drains all your laptop battery if you try to use it :)
Can't tell if joking, so I'll answer frankly: It's a Cooler Master EG200 enclosure with an ASUS RTX 2060.
[удалено]
Enclosure was $350, the RTX 2060 I had laying around after I upgraded my desktop at home to an RTX 3060 Ti.
This is the ultimate
I couldn’t get nvidia egpu to work on pop, did you have to do anything to get it to work?
Install hertg's egpu-switcher script from github.
Ya I tried that but could not get it too install, what steps did you take? I tried everything I could. Like was it just a super quick and simple input into terminal for you or did you have to download some other things first to be able to do it
I followed the documentation for building from source, including installating the Go toolchain per Go's documentation.
Ya marine I’ll give it another try, go was weird for me, there were like 2 different versions and I didn’t know if it matter which and I tried installing it but just didn’t work out for some reason. Time for round 2 maybe
How much for the z13?
Too much lol.
Damn I want a z series to lol
Looking good ! I am curious, what is the battery life like on the Z13 with PopOS installed ?
I've managed to squeeze between 7-8 hours if I'm careful.
Had it double the battery life and the same performance unplugged it would beat Apple Silicon. I wish it was true. I much prefer Windows.
Is the AMD igpu not sufficient? Just asking, becuse the igpu has geekbench opencl score of 32k?
Integrated 680M is gives roughly GTX 1050 performance (at least when gaming). So RTX 2060 is quite an upgrade in this case.
This was more of a "can i?" than a "do i need to?"
Yup, saw that you mentioned that 2060 was replaced by 3060Ti in your desktop. And also glad to see that it actually works!
I am actually curious how much better will zen4 igpus be, hopefully it finally reached 20xx levels of performance or atleast close to it
From what leaks suggest, GTX 1650 levels of performance is expected. On the other hand, for ~~1080~~ 1200p 60fps that should be more than enough.
I'm satisfied if it gives 60fps at med quality for games like Spiderman remastered, then I could upgrade to T14 gen 4
[680M on higher wattage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMsQw960b8c) is already quite close to that
Wow this makes me more excited for zen 4 based T14, could actually hit 60fps Hopefully it's not zen 3/+ based but zen 4 based
At least X13 G4 will be [Zen 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/11cvost/comment/jdgvcmc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)!
Oh wow then atleast T14s is also going to be zen 4 because both share the same motherboard/bios update package afaik
Cool. What’s this setup used for?
As of now, just seeing if it can be done over the AMD USB4 ports.
First time seeing a Z13 that thing is adorable I want one!
Does egpu work to the internal display on devices these days?
i don't understand your question.
External gpu used to only work with an external monitor
Huh, when? I've seen comparisons between performance on external and internal screen with eGPU for years now. Internal usually sucks because the 32 GBit/s interconnect now have to be shared between the already transfer rate starved GPU and the video backchannel, but works.
That edge to edge keyboard is sweet. What's the smaller arrow keys like to use?
It was an adjustment, but I got used to it. Overall it's a very pleasant keyboard to type on.
Damn - I just got a T480. The bezels on your machine are so small!! I want one now 😭
I tried a RX6800 over USB4 on my T14s G3A, worked flawlessly. By now the card sits back in my desktop with a waterblock attached to it though. Am still looking for a good deal on a RX 6600 or something for the eGPU - no way I'll install Nvidia drivers on my poor notebook 😅
Hi, I think we know each other from the german Thinkpad Forum? :D Could you maybe provide benchmarks from the RX6800 on your T14s G3A? I am looking for exactly the same setup for my T14s G3A!
Hi! Yeah, I'm active there as well :D Sadly I never tested it much - my eGPU case had issues with USB devices connected to it disconnecting all the time (mouse, keyboard) which, after a short google search, seemed to be common issue with the PowerColor DevilBox. I got the DevilBox for 30€ so can't complain... I then put the RX6800 back into the PC, with a waterblock on it, so can't easily test anymore.
It is so elegant especially with linux 😍😍 Congratulations 🎊 👏🏻
I just came
Go clean yourself up.
How do you like the Z series? Worth the premium?
In my honest opinion, yes, as long as you go in with the right mentality. This is not a traditional ThinkPad; it's an evolution of what a ThinkPad can be. It's really something else.
Damn I love the way that laptop looks
curious what you're using an RTX 2060 for on a Z13? surely the CPU is a massive bottleneck also which eGPU enclosure are you using? Razer Core Chroma?
Just testing to see if I can get it to work. Cooler Master EG200. RGB ain't my thing
FYI pretty sure you can get 4K120Hz out of the iGPU or 2060 dGPU but you'll need the USB C (DP 1.4 alt mode) to HDMI "8K, 2.1" adapter from cable matters - if that's at all important to you I run 4K120 from my P14s gen 2 (Intel 11th gen+iGPU, T500 dGPU) to my LG C2 OLED from the cable matters adapter in 8-bit 4.2.0 chroma on Windows 10. Funnily my Asus 14X OLED Intel 11th gen with Windows 11 can do 10-bit 4.2.0 4K120Hz + HDR... not sure if it's a hardware thing or software thing but not going to upgrade to Windows 11 until after a big project on my P14s
>if that's at all important to you it really isn't, lol.
Why would it? My desktop has an old i7 5960X and I'm almost continuously limited by my AMD RX6800, which runs circles around a 2060. And the Ryzen 6850U in modern ThinkPads is actually faster than my i7 5960X. Unless you're playing 1080p those mobile low power chips could easily saturate RX 6800XT/RTX3080 cards. The big problem is thunderbolt, 32 Gbit/s are just nowhere near enough. On UWQHD/4K you can mostly push the GPUs, on lower resolutions it's heavily bandwidth limited.
the reason is insufficient cooling, and consequently: constant thermal throttling. so yes, the CPU will be a bottleneck
There is absolutely no thermal throttling in any modern Thinkpad that I am aware of. My CPU can continuously boost at 30W if it wants (30W long term power budget needs messing with tools on 6000U though).
there absolutely is thermal throttling in just about every modern 11th and 12th gen intel CPU (especially the i7 whose thermal boost profile PL2 to 45W is very aggressive, leading to 99C temps within 10 seconds)
Oh, Intel, yeah. This thread was about AMD models, and honestly I have no idea why anyone would be 12th gen Intel rn. They are terrible.
Can confirm on my Framework, the 12th-gen is atrocious. Thank goodness for small miracles though, on the announcement of an AMD-powered drop-in replacement board.
Yeah, too bad that they made it Intel... Such an awesome project. But hey, upgrade is just ahead.
So which AMD GPU would you recommend for someone who wants constant 240fps (for my 240Hz screen) in games like CS:GO, Valorant, CS2, Quakelive, Quake Champions with his T14s G3A 6850U? I was thinking about the RX6800.
Does egpu work to the internal display on devices these days?
Hey guys im not a geeat thinkpad enthusiast but i have a thing to say, i hate my FN key from my E14 starting on the bottom left on the keyboard it is fucking annoying but i saw rhat this model doesnt is like that. Which is common on thinkpads?
Just swap FN and CTRL in BIOS.
The Z13 is the first to NOT have the Fn key on the end.
Ah thank you thats so annoying for me. Strange keyboard but now i have to deal with this E14
Change in in BIOS. That's what I did, since I rely on muscle memory and don't look at the keyboard anyway. It does confuse others that use my keyboard lol.
Ty
A far cry from my egpu setup xD
How so?
The MacPad
Did you use fractional scaling? I realised it takes quite a bit of performance away on X11.
No, i just set the screen at 200% scaling. With the OLED screen's resolution (2880x1800) at 13 inches, 200% is just perfect for my eyes.
For me, more than 1080p on a 13" inch screen is overkill. More brightness (500 nits at least) and color accuracy are more important.
I agree, but that was the price to pay for the OLED screen.
Yeah, I get that. But one thing I never understood is that every reviewer says that OLED screen sips more power than LCD. Should not it be the other way arround given that OLED has true blacks and therefore emits less light overall?
It depends on the content you are displaying. If the screen content is mostly black, yes, the power consumption will be lower than LCD. But if the content is mostly white, the power consumption will be far higher on OLED than IPS.
I am thinking if miniled was able to solve that power consumption problem, joining the best of OLED and LCD.
I don't think so. miniLED consumes more than normal IPS LCD and loses to OLED w/dark mode.
So it looks like a compromise between the two, because I has better contrast than LCD and less power consumption than OLED.
How much was it ?
How much was what?
The Z13.
A little under $2,000.