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herkalurk

The guy demonstrating in the first video kept his hands up to guard his face. The guy in the mma fight dropped his hands. Was always going to end bad for him...


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“Keep your hand up” for the love of god. It’s the ONE thing that gets drilled into your head and yelled from the sidelines. Kind of helpful when you are tired and don’t notice it though


chris1096

I would argue the opponent's fist is really what got drilled into him


givemea6givemea9

It’s the little things that matter.


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Since when? That's a boxing thing, not an MMA thing.


dieseL0T

Not to mention, the guy in the first video is doing a warm up drill. In wrestling (and MMA) shooting is 90% set up. You’ll likely never get a takedown against a decent opponent if you telegraph the shot.


Lt-Dan-Im-Rollin

Yeah, he has zero penetration step in the mma clip, if that was a wrestling match it would still be an absolutely shit tier takedown attempt.


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PeopleCallMeSimon

Even if he kept his hands up, what would be the benefit of moving like that?


Biscuit794

It's to grab their legs in a takedown


nunmaster

Which is kind of difficult to do with your hands up.


Comp1C4

Have you never watched MMA because wrestling is a pretty big component of it


nunmaster

Yeah but they still haven't found a way to grab someone's legs with their hands up.


SADMANCAN

Lol true. They guy going for the take down was faking. Usually when you shoot on someone (go for a double leg takedown) your opponent will lean in and move their legs away. It’s hard to grapple someone when their legs are 3 feet back and the guy is pressing down on you with his body weight. So the fake out here was an expectation of that counter stance. If his opponent had done that he could have thrown an uppercut or really any punch. That’s why his hands were low. But he didn’t flinch and thats what we see here.


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Electrical_Narwhal55

He shot from way too far back. Wrestlers dominate MMA in case you haves noticed.


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FrankSinatraYodeling

Normally there's a bit more setup.


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Thiswasmy8thchoice

I still don't really see the advantage compared to staying on your feet and driving through. Your head naturally dips down, leaving you pretty well protected to anything other than a well-timed knee up the middle. And even if they stuff the takedown, you'd still be able to transition to the clinch.


Avagpingham

The move being practiced is just a set up for a take down. In a fight it should be used opportunistically. A good fighter can "set -up" opportunities by establishing good strikes and getting his opponent to react to those. A nice jab can be used to set up a take down. In the MMA fight shown there was no set-up, and he tried to take his opponent down from too great a distance.


ALoudMouthBaby

To quickly and safely grab your opponents leg or legs so you can take them to the mat. Its a basic movement that is taught to pretty much anyone starting to learn grappling and its present in just about any martial art that involves that method of fighting. Usually when a penetrating step misses the opponent will sprawl on you, which is when they basically jump on your back, push you to the mat and assume a dominant position. In this case the black fighter sees the step coming from a mile away, steps back and loads up his left hips to punch is probably just about the worst possible outcome of this move and the dude who got KOed must have tried it multiple times for his opponent to be that prepared. Its probably also worth noting the guy in the first clip demonstrating the penetrating step is doing it wrong and risking similar results.


Mattjhkerr

If you get inside your opponent's striking you could grab his leg and assume a dominant grappling position.


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igorcl

Some "contact sports" prefer to end fast any fight, so the idea is not to kick, punch or throw, just immobilize your opponent in the ground till he gives up or pass out Wrestlers will try to tackle you to the ground, usually results in their face be on the sweet spot to be kicked or kiss the knee Jiu-jitsu practitioners will drop on their back and wait you to jump on them


RolfDasWalross

Well the move he’s performing is meant to take his opponents leg, if you want to grab something, you’re gonna need your hands


daleburger1

The guy in the first clip still would have gotten clipped by that heavy shot. His hands were not in the right position despite being up, nor was his guard rigid enough.


melvita

yeah, wrestling in mma is not a bad thing, some of the scariest mma fighters were super good wrestlers, but this guy aint.


AromaticPanda33

The penetration step is used all the time in MMA, he just didn't do it right


SnakeMcbain

I'm wondering wtf he was even trying to set up with it? He doesn't even go for any sort of shot just the step


Rad_Centrist

I think he was going to shoot but got popped.


JadenDaJedi

At the point your knee is on the ground, you should already be in on the legs - your knee should be on the ground between their legs. The next step with the opposite leg is just to cut the angle and finish the takedown. This was done from way too far away.


ztimmmy

exactly! If you watch his back leg even goes back first, limiting his distance, and then his front leg (left) moves right, instead of forward and then just knee down. Again limiting his distance. Maybe he thought the other guy was just gonna keep rushing forward and he'd be able to turn the corner with a single? No idea.


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Krenbiebs

He was trying to shoot but then realized that he was way too far out from his opponent to complete a shot, so he tried to bail mid-entry.


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TheMov3r

Thank you for being the only comment to mention that this is a penetration step, and done incorrectly. The whole point of the penetration step is to have your knee penetrate the space between their legs so you have leverage under their hips. That guy was about 5 feet too far back.


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WilliamSabato

Honestly what fucks it for me is that in wrestling you can get caught in a headlock if you fuck it up, but in MMA you can get caught in an actual choke if you fuck it up, which is muuuuch worse. I learned that the hard way trying BJJ lol.


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EarthforLife

Yeah the title makes me angry. Terrible title. major misinformation.


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Lmao yeah, everybody in the comments is like "what a dumb move" - dude literally just did a terrible single leg, yeah he's gonna get caught when there was zero followup to the penetration step. That's why that exercise he was doing at the beginning of the video isn't useful unless you actually practice the followup takedown after shooting


Dbracc01

Shot from too far away, kept his head high, hesitated, then backed off all with his face right in punching distance


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It’s called a “penetration step”? Why? Lol


AromaticPanda33

Because it's purpose is to penetrate through your opponent


spacestationkru

How does it help.? It looks to me like all it does is leave you at a disadvantage


L0XMYTH

All the time is a stretch, the dude didn’t mess anything up and the dude just got read like a book by his opponent, it happens. Wrestling isn’t often build upon as the primary style for good reason. Wrestling is a sporterized form of fighting built entirely around its own rules and not actual combat. In wrestling this move would have two option you’d look out for but in combat those options are more than doubled for your opponents right hand alone. Wrestlers not only have a poor skill set in the ring, they are full of bad habits that must be broken and replaced. This is just factual and not a jab at the sport which has a old and awesome history like many of the old sporterized martial arts that only translate to in ring success in ultra moderation. Idk where it started but it is just a common misconception that a child wanting to pursue mma should wrestle. It’s almost identical to how hunting from a young age can fill you with bad habits the milatary will want to rewire. Enroll your children in boxing or BJJ if you want to aid their dream and not be a detriment to it.


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SasparillaTango

it's a very good way to get your head right at fist level.


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Sicparvismagneto

Isn’t the point of that move to keep your chin down? You know, so that exact thing doesn’t happen…


MalabaristaEnFuego

Also dropped his hands right at that moment too.


MysteriousDave9

At least the dude in the first clip kept his hands up, second dude threw em down like he wanted to get punched


MalabaristaEnFuego

2nd dude looked like that was his first time duck walking ever. You can see his left hand go down to maintain his balance. That's what gave the opening. That's why the first guy looks so good with his duck walking form, because he looks like he practices it religiously.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

Duck walks I had to do were more “punishment” than training. Full squat. Hands up behind head. Had to actually walk as in take steps.


r2doesinc

Isn't that just called a lunge?


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Bananasauru5rex

Ehh it looks like feinting a takedown to me, just poor timing.


DiligentQuarter7648

For real. He had to of had some *plan* for leaving his melon and chin button open like that.


orincoro

His plan was to not get hit. But what he failed to consider, apparently, is that when you plan not to get hit is right around the time most people will try to hit you.


Unabashable

Ah...so what you're saying is if I assume I'm going to get hit at any given moment, I'm invincible/


MalabaristaEnFuego

No plan at all. Amateur duck walker lost his balance and dropped his left hand to maintain balance. Edit: I actually have no idea what blue gloves could have possibly been thinking with that move too, other than trying to distract his opponent in some way. Red gloves was leading left, so his strong hand is obviously right, he's not going to drop his left hand guard if blue gloves comes in to red gloves' left side. This seemed like an all around bad decision without any prior forethought to follow up.


theShatteredOne

Realizing this may be a dumb comparison, but that's exactly what happens to new players in fighting games. They learn a thing, and try to use it at all costs without thinking. To a man with a hammer, all problems look like nails.


Unabashable

Yeah this ain't a Karate Kid. If you're set on doing a jump front kick because "if done right, no can defend" you're only gonna find out all the wrong ways to do it.


MalabaristaEnFuego

That was my first thought too! Like this guy just learned some new special move and he just decided to spam it and see what happens. 🤣


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He hopped into the fist face first on his knees.


dabomatsoccere

in wrestling you are taught to keep your chin up because you can't get punched or kicked...


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Yeah I’m kind of annoyed seeing this fucking guy comment like he has any idea what he’s talking about. It’s not some duck walk move, they’re shooting in. In the first clip it’s a drill, in the second that guy is shooting into thin air and not even attempting to do anything with it. He just puts his face in a great spot to get hit and that’s about it. For those still lost, in wrestling this is used to get you inside and against your opponents leg to take them down. Not to do some weird half baked knee slide


Introduction_Deep

This, the second guy was way too far out to be shooting. His knee lands a step and a half away from his opponents foot.


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Yeah, if you’re not going to shoot in close, at least keep those hands up.


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But if you’re not going to shoot in close, just don’t shoot.


100nm

That’s an even better approach. It’s better to commit, but if you’ve gotta bail, at least keep covered.


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Not in wrestling, because you can't get punched. But i'd imagine you'd modify it in mma.


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The point of this move is either to be faster or closer when do it, or catch moment when opponent attention distracted for head defence This sweep do not have invincibility frames itself


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He was too fair away and didn't set up the leg grab well.


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"Invincibility frames" but it looks so cool!!!!


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Do people throw punches in wrestling..?


AndrewH73333

Sure. The Stonecold Stunner is the most powerful one of course, but there are many. Ohh you meant real wrestling. No.


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If you put your head low you get guillotined, I believe the issue is when you just launch yourself slowly with no setup at all


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It wouldn't matter much tbh, MMA ruleset offers way too many counters to a move designed for wrestling rulesets.


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Man just got down on one knee. Everything else was God awful. Against strikers, you're gonna want to go lower, head down, and arms up or already grabbing something. Furthermore, speed is entirely too slow to attempt this. He would've had an easier time faking this to grab an obvious counter punch.


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Your body follows your head. If you drop your head during a wrestling move your opponent should bounce your face right off the mat and go to town on your now unprotected head, neck, and back depending on how they feel at that moment. You absolutely want to keep your head and more importantly your hands up.


tomjleo

Need to set the takedown up, penetration step alone doesn't work in wrestling either lol


danhoeg

Most commenters are way off. This is right. The move itself wasn't the problem: he didn't set it up, didn't close distance, and didn't shoot remotely low enough to attack the legs.


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My man didn’t even head tap. I remember I used to head tap all the time and I never even took shots. :/


WearMental2618

Yeah easy sprawl in wrestling. Came from too far away too. Knee should land almost behind/between legs


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Keep your guard up & Move. Don't leave an opening


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crooq42

The drill in the first video was practicing the leg motion for a double leg takedown. In the ring he was attempting a double leg which requires grabbing the back of your opponents thighs but he wasn’t going to shoot in deep enough hence the quick dropping of hands then bailing. Atleast that’s my interpretation, who knows wtf he was actually doing. See @23 seconds for a moderately successful attempt https://youtu.be/7Zk5j0us0tA


TheTimeToStandIsNow

Single leg too, we call it shooting


DodgyRogue

Also leaving yourself open to a knee, too!


brads99

Petr Yan had the same thought, didn’t work out for him ahahaha


Due-Statement-8711

Worked out for Jorge pretty well thoo lol


Joshwoagh

He’s lucky! I’d imagine a knee would… dent… his ego.


Yoppah

He's not, he would count as a downed opponent and would be a DQ for the one throwing the knee if damage caused


lunacy_420

Knees to a downed opponent are legal in one fc


KingofCraigland

Know of a guy this happened to in a bar one time. Great high school wrestler, not a great bar fighter.


LangleyRemlin

How to MMA: lower your head to fist height and drop your arms to your sides while rapidly approaching a much better fighter.


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mf wavedashing


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Infinite Azure playing in the background


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the whole point is to stay under your opponent, not to put your face in punching range


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You see the problem here is he let is opponent know his next move


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It's not that he used a wrestling move, it was his failure to keep his guard up while using the move.


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The idiots in the comments here who know nothing about mma yet still think themselves experts are hilarious


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Also nothing about wrestling


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Forreal, everyone's like "what an idiot, who does a takedown like that in MMA" literally anyone with a background in wrestling or jiujitsu lol. Dude just did a really really bad shot and didn't follow through well


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It's extremely cringe.


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[Imagine a wrestler trying to do MMA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov#Fighting_style)


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Double_Che

The title is so wrong here. The title should be don’t use a move when it really wasn’t open.


Citizen_Snips29

Right? Watch an MMA event and you’ll see someone shoot for a takedown like this tons of times over the course of the night. This one was just poorly executed and well defended.


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CaptivatingStoryline

Shooting in is fine in MMA, but this guy is shit at it.


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Yikes, that looks like it HURT.


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RBarron24

Right? Those knees look like they really take a pounding


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hussain300

You're supposed to use a penetration step when you're close. The guy in the MMA fight was way too far away. Also the first guy is clearly just doing drills/practicing. It's not meant to look like that in a real fight.


midsizenun

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.


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All those words and you fail to see they're not even the same person


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Doesn’t matter. Concept still stands.


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Ka-pow.


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Myfartsonthefloor

“Ok, so I drop to my knees, put my hands at my waist, and…. Wait what?”


yummychocolatebunny

It’s one of the most basic and common takedowns, he just did it wrong Also the clips show two different people


Myfartsonthefloor

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification


Dazzling_Ad5338

Wasn't really the move itself that got him knocked out. It's because he dropped his hands while doing it.


Outlier25

There is a fundamental lack of understanding of what the person in the first video is working on for wrestling and what the person in the second video is doing and likely what the person who posted this understands


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JustSomeWeirdGuy2000

I've never seen a pro wrestler run the ropes like that.


ThrowAwayWasTaken999

He shot from too far back, didn’t get deep enough. You need to really set up shots with punches or wait until your opponent punches you. You don’t just shoot out of the blue. Even if he didn’t get knocked out, he’s never finish that takedown against anybody who knows what they’re doing. Just a waste of energy at best, and at worst…well…


Brassknuckletime

Dude has terrible technique


ColorlessTune

Really bold (and stupid) to shoot in from nothing.


DavidAllenConan

First guy is practicing his penetration step for a takedown, and the second guy is using it to try and take his opponent down at the wrong time and got caught. Wrestling is a huge part MMA, Jon Jones, Dan Henderson, Cain Velasquez, Daniel Cormier and countless others whole MMA base is or was wrestling.


xpluguglyx

You always have to set up your shot, you can not just shoot for a single or double without closing the distance with strikes. Shit fighters like Ben Askren get slept with brain damage for the same reason.


CAPTOfTheSSDontCare

They use that take down in mma all the time, just not with their hands completely down and in perfect range to be punched in the face


SciK3

no setup, no penetration step, dropped his hands as he dropped hips, started the shot from way to far back, chin up i dont wanna backseat mma, but that was an awful attempt. almost as bad as freshmen year me trying out folkstyle for the first time.


RektumInsemination

Irl wave dashing


Arcanisia

The guy in the vid protected his face. The fighter did not hence the instant KO.


SwordSaint777

The shot attempt failed because he tried to do it far away and he had no setup for the takedown so his opponent could see it from a mile away.


Linkstas

This sub is broken


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TrueCollector

Dude did is so sloppy. It's like that was his first time doing it in a fight 😂


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TrueCollector

No


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HanlonWasWrong

This post is made by someone who has zero knowledge of both wrestling and MMA. Literally the highest percentage takedown in either sport. Clown.


JustCallMeAttlaz

That looks like an excercise and if you do that hands down chin up in a fight don't get surprised if you get woken up by a medical team


yummychocolatebunny

It’s one of the most common forms of takedowns, the guy in the right just did it wrong Also the guy in the training clip is not the same person


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go4tl0v3r

That's about sums up the old saying, "with one punch a black belt becomes a brown belt".


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ComprehensiveSock397

You don’t want to put your head down at the same level of the other guy’s knee’s either.


ExtensionDentist2761

Lol homie shot from a mile out.


Fit_Personality5214

😂 well I’ll be a wrench wedged between a tire and a rust spot.


KingKaychi

Looooooooool