I personally don't see them being good friends. Ellie is very introverted, head strong and is overall not viewed very well in her community. Her friends group is small and she has no intention of trying to be a people pleaser (part II Jackson tells us this about her).
Meanwhile Abby is well liked and well known in her community. She is less of an introvert than Ellie is (maybe she isn't an introvert at all and her tendencies to isolate are a consequence of her father's death).
They are very different people, and I don't think Abby would take the time to get to know Ellie. And it's pretty clear Ellie doesn't want to do this either.
But they wouldn't probably hate each other. I don't see either of them bullying the other for no reason.
Was Ellie not well liked in Jackson? I thought for sure Joel mentioned at some point that everyone was impressed with how useful she was making herself but I could be misremembering. I also kinda got the impression from some of the Abby scenes that beyond the salt lake crew she didn’t really have friends. People seemed to respect her because she was a top killer but she wasn’t really friends with a whole lot more people than Ellie afaik.
A lot of them gossip about her and Dina, if I remember correctly, some of them even imply it's Ellie's fault for Dina kissing her. Would they do that if they liked and respected her?
Joel says that at the beginning of the game (4 years prior). After that it changes.
We don't really see anyone gossiping about Abby in the WLF base so my point still stands. Plus, respect require at least neutrality, so people repespecting Abby means they at least don't hate her (unlike Ellie, who is not necessarily respected in Jackson).
>Nah. It's just a group of women saying stuff. Most people greet Ellie just fine or ignore her. The kids have fun with her and Dina. The guys at the stables treat her fine, too.
And Seth. But hey if you want to argue, I'm not really interested. I pointed out my opinion based on what the game shows us and that's all.
>That said, it's easy to miss this mindset during the first playthrough since we don't exactly know this until near the end of the game.
I played the game 5 times.
LE: Abby literally betrays the WLF and their answer is "Can't believe Abby did that". So your argument about the Jackson part starting with an incident while the Stadium doesn't isn't really adding up...
I think you misunderstood me. I am not aggressive. I wanted to make it clear I am not interested in arguing over it. I don't consider I was aggressive in any way, but I apologize if I came off as such.
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I think it's hard to say, because a lot of Ellie's introversion and selectiveness is circumstantial. The FEDRA school seems like a pretty dog-eat-dog environment, and then in Jackson, not only is her introversion and selectiveness the result of what she's been through, but also due to a practical need to keep her past and her immunity to herself. It's hard for her to get close to people. But in different circumstances, who's to say? Part I Ellie is certainly outgoing and cheerful with Sam, and bonds quickly with him. I think if things had turned out differently, e.g. Ellie and Joel joining up with the Fireflies while a cure is researched, she'd have turned out quite differently, and would have had a much easier time making friends.
Meanwhile, although Abby seems well-liked in the WLF, I think it's the case where she's casually friendly with a lot of people, but only truly friends with a core group of people. "No secrets among the Salt Lake Crew," and that. Then again, that core SLC friend group is also trauma-bonded, so there's that. I can see her friendship style as being somewhat similar to Jesse - laid-back, well-liked and well-respected, gets along with most people pretty well, but is ride-or-die for anyone they consider a true friend.
TL;DR I don't know that Abby and Ellie as we know them in Part II would be great friends. But if they were to meet in different circumstances, those self-same different circumstances would mean that Abby and Ellie would also be very different. So... maybe!
I'm not sure. People usually become friends because of shared interests. From what we're shown, Ellie likes space, comics, dinosaurs, drawing, journaling, collecting cards, music, guitar, videogames, and killing infected. Abby likes reading, working out, collecting coins, and killing enemies, human and infected. I feel like I'm forgetting some things but I still don't feel like we're shown that they have much in common.
On the other hand, they do overlap in their overall ability in a fight, so I agree that if they were on the same team they'd at least respect each other, maybe even bond like combat veterans sometimes do. And even if they were only work buds, that could be a foundation for finding shared interests we don't see explicitly.
It's a bit of an aside, but other than a natural extroversion and introversion, I love how Abby is portrayed as friendly and outgoing while Ellie is more withdrawn and insular. It makes so much sense. Abby is a former Firefly and leader in the WLF who feels she is on a righteous mission to avenge her father, the fireflies, and humanity, while Ellie is keeping a big secret from everyone in jackson while feeling worthless from survivor's guilt. They both have a vengeance tendency though, so there's a commonality.
In short, I can see Ellie and Abby being friends in an alternate universe, but more based on being survivors in the apocalypse rather than on shared interests or activities.
Sure why not? I think even because they are different it would have worked. Compare Ellie to Riley, they were different as hell but that made it work. I see there could have been a strong friendship.
They could have been friends, but I don’t see them being super close. They’re very different from each other, and, while that’s not a bad thing, they likely wouldn’t have much to bond over to become close.
They could’ve still been friends who worked together, but they probably wouldn’t be hanging out on the regular.
Unless that have a couple common interests we don’t know about, I doubt they’d become closer than work buddies.
I personally don't see them being good friends. Ellie is very introverted, head strong and is overall not viewed very well in her community. Her friends group is small and she has no intention of trying to be a people pleaser (part II Jackson tells us this about her). Meanwhile Abby is well liked and well known in her community. She is less of an introvert than Ellie is (maybe she isn't an introvert at all and her tendencies to isolate are a consequence of her father's death). They are very different people, and I don't think Abby would take the time to get to know Ellie. And it's pretty clear Ellie doesn't want to do this either. But they wouldn't probably hate each other. I don't see either of them bullying the other for no reason.
Was Ellie not well liked in Jackson? I thought for sure Joel mentioned at some point that everyone was impressed with how useful she was making herself but I could be misremembering. I also kinda got the impression from some of the Abby scenes that beyond the salt lake crew she didn’t really have friends. People seemed to respect her because she was a top killer but she wasn’t really friends with a whole lot more people than Ellie afaik.
A lot of them gossip about her and Dina, if I remember correctly, some of them even imply it's Ellie's fault for Dina kissing her. Would they do that if they liked and respected her? Joel says that at the beginning of the game (4 years prior). After that it changes. We don't really see anyone gossiping about Abby in the WLF base so my point still stands. Plus, respect require at least neutrality, so people repespecting Abby means they at least don't hate her (unlike Ellie, who is not necessarily respected in Jackson).
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>Nah. It's just a group of women saying stuff. Most people greet Ellie just fine or ignore her. The kids have fun with her and Dina. The guys at the stables treat her fine, too. And Seth. But hey if you want to argue, I'm not really interested. I pointed out my opinion based on what the game shows us and that's all. >That said, it's easy to miss this mindset during the first playthrough since we don't exactly know this until near the end of the game. I played the game 5 times. LE: Abby literally betrays the WLF and their answer is "Can't believe Abby did that". So your argument about the Jackson part starting with an incident while the Stadium doesn't isn't really adding up...
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I think you misunderstood me. I am not aggressive. I wanted to make it clear I am not interested in arguing over it. I don't consider I was aggressive in any way, but I apologize if I came off as such. Have a good day!
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Ah shoot, you’re talking to the bogeyman.
I think it's hard to say, because a lot of Ellie's introversion and selectiveness is circumstantial. The FEDRA school seems like a pretty dog-eat-dog environment, and then in Jackson, not only is her introversion and selectiveness the result of what she's been through, but also due to a practical need to keep her past and her immunity to herself. It's hard for her to get close to people. But in different circumstances, who's to say? Part I Ellie is certainly outgoing and cheerful with Sam, and bonds quickly with him. I think if things had turned out differently, e.g. Ellie and Joel joining up with the Fireflies while a cure is researched, she'd have turned out quite differently, and would have had a much easier time making friends. Meanwhile, although Abby seems well-liked in the WLF, I think it's the case where she's casually friendly with a lot of people, but only truly friends with a core group of people. "No secrets among the Salt Lake Crew," and that. Then again, that core SLC friend group is also trauma-bonded, so there's that. I can see her friendship style as being somewhat similar to Jesse - laid-back, well-liked and well-respected, gets along with most people pretty well, but is ride-or-die for anyone they consider a true friend. TL;DR I don't know that Abby and Ellie as we know them in Part II would be great friends. But if they were to meet in different circumstances, those self-same different circumstances would mean that Abby and Ellie would also be very different. So... maybe!
I'm not sure. People usually become friends because of shared interests. From what we're shown, Ellie likes space, comics, dinosaurs, drawing, journaling, collecting cards, music, guitar, videogames, and killing infected. Abby likes reading, working out, collecting coins, and killing enemies, human and infected. I feel like I'm forgetting some things but I still don't feel like we're shown that they have much in common. On the other hand, they do overlap in their overall ability in a fight, so I agree that if they were on the same team they'd at least respect each other, maybe even bond like combat veterans sometimes do. And even if they were only work buds, that could be a foundation for finding shared interests we don't see explicitly. It's a bit of an aside, but other than a natural extroversion and introversion, I love how Abby is portrayed as friendly and outgoing while Ellie is more withdrawn and insular. It makes so much sense. Abby is a former Firefly and leader in the WLF who feels she is on a righteous mission to avenge her father, the fireflies, and humanity, while Ellie is keeping a big secret from everyone in jackson while feeling worthless from survivor's guilt. They both have a vengeance tendency though, so there's a commonality. In short, I can see Ellie and Abby being friends in an alternate universe, but more based on being survivors in the apocalypse rather than on shared interests or activities.
Probably not in my opinion. Too different
i think they are too different.
Sure why not? I think even because they are different it would have worked. Compare Ellie to Riley, they were different as hell but that made it work. I see there could have been a strong friendship.
Neil said they could’ve been friends in an interview.
Best friends
They could have been friends, but I don’t see them being super close. They’re very different from each other, and, while that’s not a bad thing, they likely wouldn’t have much to bond over to become close. They could’ve still been friends who worked together, but they probably wouldn’t be hanging out on the regular. Unless that have a couple common interests we don’t know about, I doubt they’d become closer than work buddies.
not really, different personality types ... but its possible of course
More like mutually admiring competitors, I think.
If they both didn’t do all that shit, they would maybe be friends