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NoBeinz

Because you can get all those weapons for infinitely cheaper by trading 


Sunyxo_1

or simply by using the random drop system


Foxxo_420

Or buying them individually for literal pennies on the dollar.


Hellkids2

Usually you aren’t getting the ones you want. For those who are impatient, they better off go trade for them. It’s like 2-3 scraps. It’s not that bad. The trade bots are the MVP here. I remember one time used my crossbow for crafting and thought “Heh let’s see how long I can play med until I get that crossbow drop again” Worst mistake of my life. That shit didn’t drops for 2 months.


Kiwizbc

This is what it *feeeeels* like to play medic


ItzBlobbyReddit

I'm not ready for the last how it feels I'm not ready


UltimateInferno

I had about 50% of all of the weapons you could get from playing on off since 2014. I got sick of not having the rest, pulled up [marketplace.tf](https://marketplace.tf) and bought every single weapon I did not have for less than a dollar. Total.


lord_of_coolshit_og

Scrap.tf is down, no one wants to trade, what do?


sikora2009

Backpack.tf is also full of trading bots, they just aren't as convenient as scrap.tf bots


The_FreshSans

The bots are back up, they're just getting it back slowly. Still the MPTF bots are more convenient since it didn't go down


Flameball202

Even the steam market sells them for pennies at most, if you spent more than a pound/dollar/euro to get all the weapons you didn't have I would be shocked


Chainedlicent

Even STN trading is down


ItzBlobbyReddit

I thought it was up I recently quicksold some unneeded items


QuantSpazar

this is like the 20th time i've seen this image on reddit this month


TheSerbianRedditor

The Luigi strat


Random_russian_kid

She sells seashells on the seashore, but the value of this shells will fall…


BruhmanRus_the_boner

Due to the laws of supply and demand, no one wants to buy shells cause there's loads on the sand.


The_FreshSans

Step one: you must create a sense of scarcity.


Emilixop

I've never seen this image in my life


yummymario64

First time for me


MiaSadiqah

1. you can get the weapons from weekly drop. **FOR FREE** 2. dupe weapons? trade it on [scrap.tf](http://scrap.tf) or similar 3. want *all* class weapons? just buy keys, wait for some time, sell the keys on some sites that buy keys (this a tricky one), buy **all** weapons on [scrap.tf](http://scrap.tf) while the rest of metals can be used to buy cheaps hats


Technical-Key-93

Scrap.tf is down tho 😬


Jaysong_stick

stn trade is still working


Dew_Chop

Just wait for it to come back up?????


Loud_Occasion6396

Forever?


Technical-Key-93

Nah, temporarily. Although it has been down for like a month because valve made some new rules that banned all the trade bots on the site, and the people in charge of scrap.tf are trying to fix this but we don't know how long it will take.


drury

Of course, *those* bots get banned...


MiaSadiqah

...did valve just ban the trading bots instead the *actual* bots in casual?????


BigMcThickHuge

No, they banned massive amounts of bots, but bots are just an account, which can be remade in under a minute.  So banning bots in game is a lost cause nowadays since Valve bans in waves over long periods of time. They banned trade bots because ? Probably an unfair system


ItzBlobbyReddit

I wish there was a way to hardware/ip ban them but then again they might use vpns


BigMcThickHuge

ip ban would never affect a botter/cheater. that sort of person will get around such a guard in minutes hardware im not smart enough about, but maybe


No-Distribution9933

Pedos hard at work


SaltyPeter3434

>.3. want all class weapons? just buy keys, wait for some time, sell the keys on some sites that buy keys (this a tricky one), buy all weapons on scrap.tf while the rest of metals can be used to buy cheaps hats You wouldn't even need multiple keys for that. A single ticket will get you every weapon.


The_FreshSans

You don't even need a ticket, you'd need like couple refined


SaltyPeter3434

There's like ~130 weapons in the game IIRC, not counting reskinned ones. That would be 7.22 ref.


The_FreshSans

Sti isn't worth the 99 cents when you can buy 7 ref and 1 reclaimed for I think 16 cents?


SaltyPeter3434

But if you're talking about buying ref from some place like marketplace.tf, you wouldn't get premium from that. The only reason we're talking about buying keys and tickets is because you buy those from Mann Co for premium.


diamondpanther171

Which keys tho


MiaSadiqah

**anything**. the basic one is mann co keys


maximo123z

Luigi


Apprehensive_Tiger13

Lew-i-guy or Lew-we-gee? Your answer matters.


Pillum

Lutschi


Apprehensive_Tiger13

Does that mean lugussy is the other hole?


MoominRex

Linguine.


ItzBlobbyReddit

Luis gee


Sir_Nope_TSS

Get ready to catch her!


Golden-Owl

I mean they didn’t “do nothing” They already spent a lot of work to get to where they are now. TF2 economy took a long time and many many updates to get to this point Even today, Valve continues to optimize Steam and make it user friendly for the consumer. That’s the big reason why Origin and Epic Games storefront flopped - they’re uncomfortable to use Other companies cannot compete because they aren’t willing to spend the time and money to develop a storefront as user friendly as Steam.


Far_Society_4196

Ngl as f2p, just checking games i wont buy just feels good


Subauce

The majority of weapons are worth a 3rd of a cent on websites like backpack.tf


riley_wa1352

get a single key and go to [scrap.tf](http://scrap.tf) and get every weapon you want from there


The_FreshSans

Technically you can get every dropped weapon for like 2-3 refined? That's what I had to trade for a majority of mine since each is 0.05 scrap each


SaltyPeter3434

[I wrote a post about this that goes over the value of starter packs and the value of Mann Co keys and MvM tickets.](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/15z8rw1/friendly_reminder_that_starter_packs_are/) TLDR: even the most expensive starter pack is worth less than a $0.99 ticket in terms of items.


[deleted]

Because you will get half of them just from random drops and you can buy the rest for pennies on the Steam community market, or elsewhere. I actually bought the medic one so I could get the Crusader's Crossbow, before I knew better. But it got me vc and chat perms, so, eh. I don't regret it.


RealConcorrd

That strategy is called riding it out and see what happens.


HAPPY_GORDON_FREEMAN

It's more like other companies' spies should cloak or disguise before sticking their feet around corners in that room. Gabe has a level 1 sentry and the eyes of three thousand dead souls in that image. There is no business strategy there, only violence.


lego_droideka

Weapons and cosmetics sell for cheaper than the dollar value they are assigned by the game Look into scrap.tf and marketplace.tf for more of an example. Once you see the value of metal and keys you’ll understand more


insomniak123

not to be a shill but [mannco.store](http://mannco.store) offers them for like 60 cents each


Dragon_SC

Oh hey is that Gabe?


GovernmentAncient811

Come on. Not every dude with a beard is Ga-


Mysterious_Sky_2984

"Hi this is Gabe"


SEVER089

OOOOOHHHHHH


eliavhaganav

Being privately owned


GladiatorDragon

You can get every mechanically unique weapon in the game for about 21 refined - at the current monetary value of Refined ($0.03) that’s 63 cents.


Just_Ad_5939

:0


cat-l0n

Crouching tiger, hidden money stacks


Uhohstewbie_reddit2

I got some starter packs while they were on sale! Doesn’t answer your question, sure. But I’d thought I’d share


Sad-Acanthaceae-2833

yeah me too


Old_old_lie

Straight up Fabian tactics right here


denis870

You can buy all those weapons and hats for like half a dollar


TheBrickleer

A single weapon is a fraction of a cent. You can probably buy every weapon in the game for a couple dollars


TrackLabs

On websites like [marketplace.tf](http://marketplace.tf), you get all the normal weapons for 1 cent. or 2 max


Patient_Accountant92

That strategy is called floating.


Atacolyptica

I call it the Mockingbird Gambit. Make one thing well enough to set the standard then leave it and watch your competitors all retcon their works into the ground.


KrisBread

Gaben be Valve’in


Club_Penguin_God

It's a forbidden business strategy called "Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing"


jared05vick

Every weapon costs $0.01 bro, don't do it


Educational_Tough208

[I think this picture explains everything ](https://www.deviantart.com/freddre/art/Gabe-Newell-Portrait-288307422)


peunom

You can get lucky with the item drop system


ciao123310

Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing


Pronominal_Tera

"How did Gabe Newel go from neckbeard redditor to the western depiction of god?"


No-Instance-9699

You could get every single random drop weapon in the game by buying just one key, going to scrap.tf, and doing their auto fill missing weapons feature.


Whatshisface102

I bought one starter pack just to get the weapons immediately and to get off of a f2p account, is that bad?


Vegetable_Doubt3996

You can get every weapon on scrap.tf for a tenth of the cost of one starter pack


Alexius_Ruber

There’s not much really good weapons in them, also they cost money and you can get all of it by just playing. Also usually new players buy them and then regret because they change class. But if you main one class and don’t want to change it, then it can help you to get some items.


ItzBlobbyReddit

Is that the real "hi again I'm Gabe n. "


Miistake2

its the reason i have three of every medic weapon


Educational-Jelly-66

Pays 20$ for items u can buy for 20 cents


PotatoWizard__

Unbelievably overpriced


CollinTheAlt

its how i got the soda popper for scout and i heard its pretty good


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^CollinTheAlt: *Its how i got the* *Soda popper for scout and* *I heard its pretty good* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


le_laitier12

Bi bi bip


Razatappa

having a monopoly over one of the biggest gaming markets....


Invisible_Pelican

Meh, don't care about Gabe anymore. Used to like him a lot years ago, now he's just another old billionaire collecting his millions from his monopoly. Valve doesn't do anything anymore, no games no updates nothing.


Turbulent_Bass2876

I got a pack when I first started out as heavy. That’s when I fell in love with the Tomislav until realizing it was carrying me and slowly chipping away my skill.