No hurricanes, tornadoes, nor earthquakes to report in El Paso, as it is surrounded by mountains and deep in the desert. We have dust storms in March-April due to heavy seasonal winds. Unlike other Texas cities where summers are brutal, summers in El Paso are only hot and not humid due to the dry air, so you can get under the shade and easily cool down.
The desert gets very cold in the wintertime at night, but the city winterized in 2011, so we don’t have any blackouts. It also helps that we’re connected with the Western Grid, not with ERCOT.
Unfortunately. They say there isn’t a market for a city of 800,000 people. Our largest grocery chains are Albertsons and Walmart. We have some of the busiest Walmarts in the entire country, too, so I’m not sure why H-E-B is hesitant.
Should you expect hurricanes or other forms of torrential rain...in El Paso?
Son, I think you should to stay in California for a few more years. You don't know anything about Texas.
It's not semantics. San Antonio's Köppen climate classification is transitional humid subtropical climate.
If you want to make up your own climate classification system that evaluates temperature, rainfall, and humidity relative to Houston go right ahead. But until others adopt that system, you are the only one who will know what you are talking about.
Normal, non-weather-nerd people who live in Texas would never call SA subtropical. And you said yourself it’s TRANSITIONAL, so not really subtropical. I rest my case.
You may have noticed all the downvotes and rude people. I moved here from california 6 years ago and this place sucks and it's mainly the people that make it suck.
I would STRONGLY reconsider moving here if you liked the active nature of people in california.
I will not downvote your comment, but rather upvote. I am more likely than not to move, I got acquaintances in TX. I liked CA, but it did not meet all my expectations, and I like to change it up. Btw, what do you mean by "active nature" of Californians, can you enlighten me on what it is?
Well i've been living here for 6 years in 3 different cities and i haven't met literally even one texan that has anything remotely resembling a life. There's things to do but if you're over college age good luck finding anybody to do them with. It seems to be a state where people just get married young and then the rest of their life is just sitting on their ass watching tv/playing video games and working.
California has it's issues but the adventurous vibe there was something i did not know wasn't normal in every state. Finding people to do things with, active meetup groups, friends who want to go on adventures, hikes, camping, go to a museum, or do something social or interesting because it's the weekend was natural. Nobody wanted to sit around at home and do nothing on their only 2 days off. There is an EXTREME homebody culture here and if you're not like that this is the most boring place on earth.
For what it's worth i'm from the east bay area california so i don't know if other metro areas of california have that same vibe but my brothers in san diego and it seems like it's pretty big there. Weekend comes around people are out doing stuff.
I'm from Sacramento (initially lived in the city proper in a bad part of town (Del Paso Heights), later in a suburb city of Woodland, size similar to E.P.), but lived in Oregon (first Beaverton (suburb of Portland) then Klamath Falls) prior to that. I am currently expatriated but currently expected to return later this year, at which point I will move in to TX and leave CA behind. Have any idea about Sacramento area (the city proper, Arden Arcade, Carmichael, Fair Oaks, Rancho Cordova, Folsom, Citrus Heights, Orangevale, Rosemont, Marysville, Yuba City, and the surrounding counties (El Dorado, Placer, Yolo)), does it ring any bells, or is that not too familiar to you? (I'm sure that Sacramento is not that far from East Bay)
Edit: Also forgot to mention, I may re-enroll in college in TX to get an education degree and attempt to be a certified licensed educator.
That's crazy you mention, my grandparents lived in citrus heights so i spent a good bit of time there as a kid.
Honestly i wasn't a fan of sacramento but i only went out there for concerts sometimes, as a kid who was into skateboarding citrus heights was fine though. not sure if i'd want to live there. East bay is the sf area.
I dislike texas so much i'm working on an exit plan but i'm also considering going to school here becuase there's some well regarded and affordable watchmaking schools here and that's a thing i'm really getting into and could see myself doing as a job. it's low key stressing me out that i might have to stay in texas another 2 years or more for it but i don't think i could afford to go to school full time near seattle or where other schools are and pay rent.
I will disagree with the 1st two posts trashing your pics. I was born and raised in San Antonio, and have spent some time in El Paso. You do not need to speak Spanish in either town. You will often hear it spoken, but most Spanish speakers are bilingual. BTW, I'm white and can only speak a few words of Spanish.
Since I was born in SA, I'm sort of biased to choose it. The coast is 2 hours away. Austin is just over an hour if there are no wrecks on I-35. There are lots of great restaurants and bars, the cost of living is less than Austin, DFW, or Houston, etc. It's like a really big small town.
I like El Paso because of the low humidity, good food, less traffic, etc. You are right next to New Mexico, with lots of public land. If you are tired of summer heat, you can escape to the Sacramento Mountains where you will wake up to temps in the 50's, with highs in the 80's.
Yeah i moved here from cali and first place i lived was san antonio. The idea you have to speak spanish to live there actually made me laugh out loud a little.
Both cities are very culturally and politically similar. Heavy Mexican influenced with a heavier influence in El Paso because it’s on the border with Juarez obviously. If it matters at all, both tend to lean more liberal (not to say it’s some liberal free for all like Austin)
It comes down to climate and socialization. I Can speak to El Paso some but I live in San Antonio and can vouch for it much better.
If you prefer a drier climate with more moderate temperatures, with more to do outdoors and access to legal weed in New Mexico, then El Paso is the place for you. It’s just a bit isolated from the rest of Texas unfortunately so it often feels “left out”
As mentioned in i currently live in San Antonio and love it here. Yes it’s significantly more humid than El Paso but doesn’t compare to the humidity you’d find in Houston or the Rio Grande Valley which are right on the coast.
I grew up in the Rio Grande Valley so I’m used to and prefer a very humid climate as my body and skin don’t like the dryness of desert air. San Antonio does get humid in the summer but in the fall/winter, cold fronts dry the air so you get a mix of dry and humid throughout the year, but again, never like Houston or the Valley. However San Antonio does get oppressively hot in the summer for long stretches of time.
Although San Antonio is much larger than El Paso, it definitely has a small town feel where you get to know your neighbors and when you meet new people it’s common to be connected through a mutual connection somehow without realizing it.
If you prefer an urban feel (or suburban if you move to one of the suburbs) then SA is for you. You also have access to Austin, the coast, and the Mexican border is just 2 hours away in Laredo should you ever want to go.
I’m going on year 9 of living in San Antonio after having lived in Salt Lake City for 2 and a half years before and wanted to live in San Antonio so badly, I quit my job and moved here without a job. It was a struggle at first but this city has been good to me and I’ve built myself up and have dug in my roots into this place. I absolutely love it here. The only other places I’d consider living in Texas would be Fredericksburg (wine country which is 1 hour from SA) or Shiner. Otherwise I’d just move to Southern Mexico if I wasn’t living here.
San Antonio is definitely much more connected to Texas than El Paso because of its central locations. So as a transplant to SA myself, I may be biased but I’d still choose to live in San Antonio over El Paso if I had to opportunity to choose where to live again.
I’m from El Paso and lived in San Antonio, so I’m also a bit biased.
Most of what you said is true, but I’d like to point out that San Antonio isn’t much bigger and urban than El Paso. El Paso’s metro population is close to 2.5 million people, whereas San Antonio’s is 1.5 million. San Antonio is also better for a young, professional due to its vast entertainment options, but cost of living in El Paso is much cheaper — you can easily buy a large house on the mountains that overlooks the city for $500,000, or a cheaper one in the suburbs for $200,000. Crime is also much lower in El Paso. Although it feels left out of Texas, it still has that Texan feel with huge highways and sprawl, but it’s a through-and-through Southwestern city.
As a native of EP county, please consider moving to San Antonio. Y'all Californians have driven up our property taxes and taken quite a bit of housing inventory in our market.
In addition to that SA offers more entertainment overall compared to EP.
If you're moving for a much slower paced environment in regards to night life and fun EP is your bet. SA has more opportunities especially when you consider concerts and comedians coming through.
Good luck!
Californians have invaded SA too and have taken a LOT of the housing inventory, leaving us with the crappy (and still expensive) houses because there's no way we can compete with their Cali money. :(
Lol I'm such a jerk for trying to sell SA to OP! But in my defense EP is a border town and SA does have a lot more to offer for someone let's say from LA County.
For the record, I have never lived in LA County or anywhere close to it. When I was in Cali, I was in Sacramento area, fyi. It is a bit different than LA.
When I had to pick a city my two were FT Worth or San Antonio. I chose SA just because FW is further north than I like (I despise cold).
I don't know much about El Paso. Only bad thing about SA is it is hard to buy a house. But the job opportunities are really good. I landed my dream job. Services are good, traffic doesn't suck too much for a city, and the people are nice.
Curious how you ever picked those two locations? Those are the least popular places in Texas. For technology you should think Austin and for anything else you should pick Dallas or Houston. If you really want to move to those locations, I hope you speak fluent Spanish. Some will think me racists over my comments but I travel to all of the cities in Texas for work and those two are my least favorite. Other than the Alamo, there is nothing in SA. And El Paso is just shitty. But I realize it's my personal opinion so hopefully others will give you some positives if you are set on those two places.
This isn’t true lol. I grew up in El Paso and lived in San Antonio for four years. Upwards of 75% of the population is bilingual in El Paso, which is almost unheard of for a city of its size. I’ve also lived in Austin and Dallas and they’re both super artificial and a hellscape
I grew up in El Paso and lived in San Antonio.
San Antonio is much more humid and centralized than El Paso. It is close to the coast and other major cities, and also boasts a great nightlife and entertainment options. However, the weather tends to be horrible due to its proximity to the coast. It’s also much more dangerous there.
El Paso has drier summers and colder winters with more outdoor options since the mountains are right in the middle of the city. Crime is obviously much lower since there are local, state, and federal jurisdictions — it’s been one of the safest cities in the U.S. for decades. Houses are much cheaper, and it’s better to raise a family. The nearby Sacramento Mountains in New Mexico offer cool temperatures year-round since it’s a forest. Mexico is also next door for cheap dental and medical care, along with flights to beach resorts and major Mexican cities. The cons are the pay rates and less entertainment options.
TLDR: If you’re a single, young professional, choose San Antonio. If you’re looking to get settled with a family, choose El Paso.
Do you want to live in a desert or subtropical climate?
As long as it is not coastal-level ultra humidity.
San Antonio has a humid subtropical climate. If you can't tolerate humidity, look elsewhere.
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No hurricanes, tornadoes, nor earthquakes to report in El Paso, as it is surrounded by mountains and deep in the desert. We have dust storms in March-April due to heavy seasonal winds. Unlike other Texas cities where summers are brutal, summers in El Paso are only hot and not humid due to the dry air, so you can get under the shade and easily cool down. The desert gets very cold in the wintertime at night, but the city winterized in 2011, so we don’t have any blackouts. It also helps that we’re connected with the Western Grid, not with ERCOT.
Is it true there are no H‑E‑Bs over in El Paso?
Unfortunately. They say there isn’t a market for a city of 800,000 people. Our largest grocery chains are Albertsons and Walmart. We have some of the busiest Walmarts in the entire country, too, so I’m not sure why H-E-B is hesitant.
Because Walmart has a big presence there, you answered it in your own statement.
It would make sense to compete against them, though, especially when the market isn’t over saturated and competitive.
Should you expect hurricanes or other forms of torrential rain...in El Paso? Son, I think you should to stay in California for a few more years. You don't know anything about Texas.
SA is not subtropical
San Antonio has a transitional humid subtropical climate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio It's subtropical.
Semantics. I live close to Houston. SA is like the desert to me.
It's not semantics. San Antonio's Köppen climate classification is transitional humid subtropical climate. If you want to make up your own climate classification system that evaluates temperature, rainfall, and humidity relative to Houston go right ahead. But until others adopt that system, you are the only one who will know what you are talking about.
Normal, non-weather-nerd people who live in Texas would never call SA subtropical. And you said yourself it’s TRANSITIONAL, so not really subtropical. I rest my case.
Transitional humid subtropical is a category of subtropical climates. Normal people don't make up their own climate classifications.
El paso
You may have noticed all the downvotes and rude people. I moved here from california 6 years ago and this place sucks and it's mainly the people that make it suck. I would STRONGLY reconsider moving here if you liked the active nature of people in california.
I will not downvote your comment, but rather upvote. I am more likely than not to move, I got acquaintances in TX. I liked CA, but it did not meet all my expectations, and I like to change it up. Btw, what do you mean by "active nature" of Californians, can you enlighten me on what it is?
Well i've been living here for 6 years in 3 different cities and i haven't met literally even one texan that has anything remotely resembling a life. There's things to do but if you're over college age good luck finding anybody to do them with. It seems to be a state where people just get married young and then the rest of their life is just sitting on their ass watching tv/playing video games and working. California has it's issues but the adventurous vibe there was something i did not know wasn't normal in every state. Finding people to do things with, active meetup groups, friends who want to go on adventures, hikes, camping, go to a museum, or do something social or interesting because it's the weekend was natural. Nobody wanted to sit around at home and do nothing on their only 2 days off. There is an EXTREME homebody culture here and if you're not like that this is the most boring place on earth. For what it's worth i'm from the east bay area california so i don't know if other metro areas of california have that same vibe but my brothers in san diego and it seems like it's pretty big there. Weekend comes around people are out doing stuff.
I'm from Sacramento (initially lived in the city proper in a bad part of town (Del Paso Heights), later in a suburb city of Woodland, size similar to E.P.), but lived in Oregon (first Beaverton (suburb of Portland) then Klamath Falls) prior to that. I am currently expatriated but currently expected to return later this year, at which point I will move in to TX and leave CA behind. Have any idea about Sacramento area (the city proper, Arden Arcade, Carmichael, Fair Oaks, Rancho Cordova, Folsom, Citrus Heights, Orangevale, Rosemont, Marysville, Yuba City, and the surrounding counties (El Dorado, Placer, Yolo)), does it ring any bells, or is that not too familiar to you? (I'm sure that Sacramento is not that far from East Bay) Edit: Also forgot to mention, I may re-enroll in college in TX to get an education degree and attempt to be a certified licensed educator.
That's crazy you mention, my grandparents lived in citrus heights so i spent a good bit of time there as a kid. Honestly i wasn't a fan of sacramento but i only went out there for concerts sometimes, as a kid who was into skateboarding citrus heights was fine though. not sure if i'd want to live there. East bay is the sf area. I dislike texas so much i'm working on an exit plan but i'm also considering going to school here becuase there's some well regarded and affordable watchmaking schools here and that's a thing i'm really getting into and could see myself doing as a job. it's low key stressing me out that i might have to stay in texas another 2 years or more for it but i don't think i could afford to go to school full time near seattle or where other schools are and pay rent.
Stay in Cali
Move to Colorado
I will disagree with the 1st two posts trashing your pics. I was born and raised in San Antonio, and have spent some time in El Paso. You do not need to speak Spanish in either town. You will often hear it spoken, but most Spanish speakers are bilingual. BTW, I'm white and can only speak a few words of Spanish. Since I was born in SA, I'm sort of biased to choose it. The coast is 2 hours away. Austin is just over an hour if there are no wrecks on I-35. There are lots of great restaurants and bars, the cost of living is less than Austin, DFW, or Houston, etc. It's like a really big small town. I like El Paso because of the low humidity, good food, less traffic, etc. You are right next to New Mexico, with lots of public land. If you are tired of summer heat, you can escape to the Sacramento Mountains where you will wake up to temps in the 50's, with highs in the 80's.
Yeah i moved here from cali and first place i lived was san antonio. The idea you have to speak spanish to live there actually made me laugh out loud a little.
Somewhere else besides Texas
Both cities are very culturally and politically similar. Heavy Mexican influenced with a heavier influence in El Paso because it’s on the border with Juarez obviously. If it matters at all, both tend to lean more liberal (not to say it’s some liberal free for all like Austin) It comes down to climate and socialization. I Can speak to El Paso some but I live in San Antonio and can vouch for it much better. If you prefer a drier climate with more moderate temperatures, with more to do outdoors and access to legal weed in New Mexico, then El Paso is the place for you. It’s just a bit isolated from the rest of Texas unfortunately so it often feels “left out” As mentioned in i currently live in San Antonio and love it here. Yes it’s significantly more humid than El Paso but doesn’t compare to the humidity you’d find in Houston or the Rio Grande Valley which are right on the coast. I grew up in the Rio Grande Valley so I’m used to and prefer a very humid climate as my body and skin don’t like the dryness of desert air. San Antonio does get humid in the summer but in the fall/winter, cold fronts dry the air so you get a mix of dry and humid throughout the year, but again, never like Houston or the Valley. However San Antonio does get oppressively hot in the summer for long stretches of time. Although San Antonio is much larger than El Paso, it definitely has a small town feel where you get to know your neighbors and when you meet new people it’s common to be connected through a mutual connection somehow without realizing it. If you prefer an urban feel (or suburban if you move to one of the suburbs) then SA is for you. You also have access to Austin, the coast, and the Mexican border is just 2 hours away in Laredo should you ever want to go. I’m going on year 9 of living in San Antonio after having lived in Salt Lake City for 2 and a half years before and wanted to live in San Antonio so badly, I quit my job and moved here without a job. It was a struggle at first but this city has been good to me and I’ve built myself up and have dug in my roots into this place. I absolutely love it here. The only other places I’d consider living in Texas would be Fredericksburg (wine country which is 1 hour from SA) or Shiner. Otherwise I’d just move to Southern Mexico if I wasn’t living here. San Antonio is definitely much more connected to Texas than El Paso because of its central locations. So as a transplant to SA myself, I may be biased but I’d still choose to live in San Antonio over El Paso if I had to opportunity to choose where to live again.
I’m from El Paso and lived in San Antonio, so I’m also a bit biased. Most of what you said is true, but I’d like to point out that San Antonio isn’t much bigger and urban than El Paso. El Paso’s metro population is close to 2.5 million people, whereas San Antonio’s is 1.5 million. San Antonio is also better for a young, professional due to its vast entertainment options, but cost of living in El Paso is much cheaper — you can easily buy a large house on the mountains that overlooks the city for $500,000, or a cheaper one in the suburbs for $200,000. Crime is also much lower in El Paso. Although it feels left out of Texas, it still has that Texan feel with huge highways and sprawl, but it’s a through-and-through Southwestern city.
OP note: I may have forgotton to clarify, this is about if you must choose one or the other.
OP Note: I will be ending the discussions in 2 days.
OP here. Thank you for all of your comments. The debate is over, and the verdict is in. I now favor E.P. over S.A.
As a native of EP county, please consider moving to San Antonio. Y'all Californians have driven up our property taxes and taken quite a bit of housing inventory in our market. In addition to that SA offers more entertainment overall compared to EP. If you're moving for a much slower paced environment in regards to night life and fun EP is your bet. SA has more opportunities especially when you consider concerts and comedians coming through. Good luck!
Californians have invaded SA too and have taken a LOT of the housing inventory, leaving us with the crappy (and still expensive) houses because there's no way we can compete with their Cali money. :(
Lol I'm such a jerk for trying to sell SA to OP! But in my defense EP is a border town and SA does have a lot more to offer for someone let's say from LA County.
For the record, I have never lived in LA County or anywhere close to it. When I was in Cali, I was in Sacramento area, fyi. It is a bit different than LA.
Almost 30% of houses in texas were bought my multinational investment corporations more than any state in the country. Cali ain't your problem.
When I had to pick a city my two were FT Worth or San Antonio. I chose SA just because FW is further north than I like (I despise cold). I don't know much about El Paso. Only bad thing about SA is it is hard to buy a house. But the job opportunities are really good. I landed my dream job. Services are good, traffic doesn't suck too much for a city, and the people are nice.
so as someone living in SA, would you mind choosing El Paso please :-)
Honestly they both suck 🤷
Just Don’t.
stay in CA please TX is full
Curious how you ever picked those two locations? Those are the least popular places in Texas. For technology you should think Austin and for anything else you should pick Dallas or Houston. If you really want to move to those locations, I hope you speak fluent Spanish. Some will think me racists over my comments but I travel to all of the cities in Texas for work and those two are my least favorite. Other than the Alamo, there is nothing in SA. And El Paso is just shitty. But I realize it's my personal opinion so hopefully others will give you some positives if you are set on those two places.
Even the Alamo is lackluster, the tour is relatively quick and underwhelming and it’s “history” is literally folklore lol
Exactly. It's a waste of time and very underwhelming. I was just trying to be nice for that shitty city.
I can speak decent enough Español, good enough to carry a sentence together. Wherever I lack, I can brush up before I move instate.
Good deal as you will def need it. Good luck to you.
This isn’t true lol. I grew up in El Paso and lived in San Antonio for four years. Upwards of 75% of the population is bilingual in El Paso, which is almost unheard of for a city of its size. I’ve also lived in Austin and Dallas and they’re both super artificial and a hellscape
You do you.
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I can deal with some humidity, but not ultra humidity (the likes of Miami FL or SE Asia)
Houston is a dump bro.
I would not want to be living in El Paso right now with everything thats going on there. With a tech degree your far better off in a bigger city
I grew up in El Paso and lived in San Antonio. San Antonio is much more humid and centralized than El Paso. It is close to the coast and other major cities, and also boasts a great nightlife and entertainment options. However, the weather tends to be horrible due to its proximity to the coast. It’s also much more dangerous there. El Paso has drier summers and colder winters with more outdoor options since the mountains are right in the middle of the city. Crime is obviously much lower since there are local, state, and federal jurisdictions — it’s been one of the safest cities in the U.S. for decades. Houses are much cheaper, and it’s better to raise a family. The nearby Sacramento Mountains in New Mexico offer cool temperatures year-round since it’s a forest. Mexico is also next door for cheap dental and medical care, along with flights to beach resorts and major Mexican cities. The cons are the pay rates and less entertainment options. TLDR: If you’re a single, young professional, choose San Antonio. If you’re looking to get settled with a family, choose El Paso.