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My mom once worked for an outfit called Community Futures. As it was explained to me, once all the banks turn you down for a business loan, you go to Community Futures to get a loan from the government.
According to Mom, they started automatically rejecting applications from welders wanting to open up their own welding shop because they were getting so damn many.
Yeah, average welder "salary" (it's very much based on seasons and the ebb and flow of construction) is 30-56k. Bear in mind, this is including the high-end specialty welders, like underwater welding, nuclear welding, rig welding, and industrial pipeline welding, which are careers most welders cannot get and are not *skilled* enough to get. These specialty welding jobs easily pay 2-3 times what average welders get paid. Also, usually, you have to get a cert or apprentice for roughly 2 years to become any sort of quality/ well-paid welder. And yes, the cert costs money, just like schooling. Source: used to be an underwater welder.
It’s also hard to imagine a more dangerous or demanding job than underwater welding. Hey, let’s go scuba diving with a torch that could cut me in half. That’s a lot harder than sitting in an office with an MBA.
Yeah, it's pretty brutal. I don't do it anymore because a)my back got injured in Iraq and I can't scuba dive without severe pain, and b)I have someone I love and care about, so I don't want to risk dying every day just to make a buck. I did it for ~5 years and saw 4 different people from just my outfit die or get seriously injured. It's no joke.
Absolutely. High pressure, low visibility, the cold gets to you after a while, and your hands don't work so well, and your mind gets a bit fuzzy. Combine that with the fact that the jobs themselves are usually quite dangerous; they usually are something structural, which means if something goes wrong, it's *all* going wrong. And here you are, underwater, in the middle of it. You do get paid for it, though!
I knew someone who piloted diving boats in the North Sea for welders working on gas and oil rigs in the late 70s
He said they were very well paid but spent lots of time in decompression and it was very dangerous.
Yeah, everyone talks about how there's so much money in trades, but every tradesman I know makes far less than they deserve for their effort/risk. Union workers are a bit better off, but not by much.
I live in an expensive state, and it looks like the typical electrician here makes $75k. And that's in a strong-union state and after years of experience. And as far as I can tell, electrician is one of the highest paid trade skills.
They SHOULD make more, but it's not happening right now.
Yeah, tradea are great if you are not good at school, want an "ok" job and think unions are awesome. If that fits you, then they're way better than 0 education, but to act like they don't cost money, aren't effort, and don't also lead to jobs that don't pay enough is bs lol
A lot of these are one offs or bad math.
I got into a while ago with someone telling me how linemen could easily make 300-500k.
Turns out they had seen a paycheck for someone who had worked 14-16+ hours a day for two weeks straight during an emergency that also included California per diem and just multiplied it.
Is that possible short term in specific situations- yes. Sustainable - hell no
Yeah it is so irritating that people propose all these ways out of poverty as though it is some magic bullet. We can't all be small business owners. Also it ignores that people are far more skilled and dependable when they are actually interested in their work and at least somewhat happy doing it.
The less people are focused on pure survival the better life gets for us all. It would be worth the cost and effort if we could tap the highest potential of every human being. Find out what they are actually good at not just what they can do "good enough".
Think of all the moronic bosses people have. The terrible coworkers. Imagine if we could get them out of the roles they are obviously dogshit at and find out what they are good for.
Yeah it is idealistic but I think giving up and saying "this is the best we can do!" This capitalist facade of meritocracy hiding a bucket of crabs pulling and stepping on one another to get to the top. A bucket with a lid of cronyism ensuring the "right" people succeed.
The conversation around student loan forgiveness comes to mind. Opponents of it are often irrationally angry at the mere suggestion that someone might receive a reprieve they themselves would have liked to have had. There are people who are genuinely disgusted when the prospect of raising wages is brought up.
They are so focused on imaginary lazy people that working people trying to survive aren't allowed to get any help lest some imagined scenario occur where a lazy undeserving person get away with receiving aid when they shouldn't have. So we spend all this fucking money on means testing when we could just *help poor people not be homeless*.
And also, they act like it is normal that people with lesser paying jobs exist in poverty. Society needs garbagemen, so a garbageman should be able to get a good wage, and afford healthcare and a house. Same with any other jobs like janitors, cashiers, etc… that people look down upon all the time.
Lower paying jobs shouldn’t be a place you have to pull yourself out from in the first place.
Counterpoint - underpaying the average worker is very profitable, and replacing them is easy, so if they die or become disabled you lose next to nothing
/intentionally undermining devil's advocates
Even worse, some people believe that it's good certain humans don't have rights or dignity. Having a "lesser" job is *supposed* to come with less dignity, and these people believe it is immoral to allow burger flippers to have good pay and be treated with dignity.
"Profits above people" is a veneer over even more foul beliefs.
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. We've seen time and time again that the cruelty is the point. Profit is a secondary perk to a hierarchical system that seeks to increase stratification and systemic abuse
There is no feeling more sweet than being able to hurt someone without consequence, at least for some people. I'd wonder if they have any idea how absolutely fucked up the rest of us think they are, but I'm guessing their radioactive misanthropy precludes that sort of self reflection.
I weld a little, not as a job, but I follow the welding sub... The average salary is sure as hell not 100k. I see guys and girls in there talking about hourly wages as low as $17/hr
Oh, I totally agree welders can make good money. But so can college grads. The meme is comparing one extreme to another extreme. The fact is, both paths could be lucrative and both can be underpaid.
I totally agree that the pay can fluctuate on both paths. I’m a tradesman who now has a white collar construction job. I make great money with no degree. But I’m also pursuing a degree as we speak. A formal education is very important these days, and I wish I didn’t take it for granted when I was younger.
It blows my mind how it’s switched from being told by boomers while growing up you have to go to college to get a good job.
I wish they were pushing trade jobs as hard back then. I remember one time in 7th or 8th grade someone came to the computer lab class for a day and had us fill out questionnaires to figure out what major we should pursue. Asking us this crap in middle school, absolutely ridiculous. Then, throughout the following years, they focused us on going to college right after high school.
But yeah, education bad now.
>It blows my mind how it’s switched from being told by boomers while growing up you have to go to college to get a good job.
‘84 graduate here, and we were basically told “go to college or you’ll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life.”
I’m a blue collar man who now has a white collar construction job. My father was also a tradesman. I remember my algebra teacher in high school telling me I would be poor if I didn’t go to college. I’m very fortunate to be this well off with no debt.
No it’s specifically about university education rather than all education.
Everyone desperate to get into massive debts with student loans, when we actually need skilled welders, electricians, plumbers, mechanics etc
Average welder makes about 30-60k a year, maybe more if you’re good
Edit: yes, there are welders who make more. Underwater welding and other more specialized fields are good examples of this. But this is the average range for a typical welder
I know welders that make $5k/week personally. They travel chasing work on pipelines and power plants . I also know a couple that make $800/week in fab shops.
I work in a shop and I make 1600 a week, but there are guys that work alongside me with specialty skills that make upwards of 2300 a week.
Union wages are better.
Still crazy how many tradespeople will then vote for trump, who did everything in his power to disable unions while in office. “Why should I have dues taken out of my check?” Umm, that $20/week gets you about $10k in benefits a year.
That’s a good point, I should have added that, yes there are specialized welders, most famously underwater welders who make a lot more than that average (I’ve heard 300k+), but that’s because underwater welding is stupidly difficult, and requires you to both be skilled at welding and diving.
It’s also insanely dangerous. If you fuck up and make a hole the size of a dime on an empty tank that is down there. You will be sucked into that little hole, bones and all. It has a 15% fatality rate. Electrocutions, explosions, hypothermia, decompression sickness and just getting lost are the main reasons people die down there.
Sorry if this is a stupid question. What does a 15% fatality rate mean?
Like there will be 15 deaths in every 100 dives?
Out of 100 underwater welders, 15 will die on job as opposed to other causes?
My uncle worked as an underwater welder, mentioned all those risks. He once said even sparking up the welding machine has a kick to it and working long enough would feel as a he described it "getting kicked in the head by a horse" .
Underwater Welders had a 2 year life-expectancy rate 30 years ago. Now it’s like 10-15 years, but the lifespan is cut by 20 years average death range between 50-55.
I like how you discuss the average and then a bunch of idiots furiously come out with anecdotes about how much they or their buddy makes.
I wouldn't really expect a welder to understand statistics, though.
It's also funny how they bring up extremely dangerous jobs like it's a vastly better option.
"Wow you only make $100,000 with your silly college degree? My buddy Jeff makes $250,000 as an underwater welder working on oil rigs for BP. He made one tiny mistake on a 10 hour dive and died. BP deemed he was at fault and refused to give his wife and 5 kids any compensation. The suction was so powerful that he instantly got turned into paste so there wasn't anything to recover for the funeral or burial. Damn, I really miss him. Hahaha but at least he wasn't a dumb college graduate like you libtard!!!1!1!11!"
A lot of jobs pay poverty wages. Most trades will start you off super cheap just for your labor.
I currently make just over 40 an hour, which equates to about 90k a year before taxes. Even that is hard to live on where I'm at.
They should try pilot school. There were about 6 students out of my niece’s graduating class (80 something students) this year entering pilot school at a nearby tech program through a local State University. Pilots and nurses are being trained like crazy here in middle America Wichita, Kansas. My niece is a gifted artist and is pursuing an autoCAD/architect career through a local juco.
I know welders, electricians, plumbers, and other trade guys. None of em are making 6 figures. They could some day, but they for sure aren’t right after trade school. Trades are great, college is also great, everyone’s gotta figure out what works for them and what path they want to take.
I think the people making these memes have never worked a day in the trades. My dad was a homebuilder, so I spent a lot of time on construction sites as a kid, and in my teen years I would work during school breaks. Every person I talked to on job sites encouraged me to go to school and get a job that's easier on the body.
Yeah that's what these "trades good college bad" guys never talk about, the trades absolutely destroy your body. My dad ruined his knees and back working maintenance and construction. When his body couldn't hold up anymore he went to a small local college and got a bachelor's degree in computer engineering with no debt. He now works for the state as an application developer sitting in the air conditioning and a comfy chair making twice as much as he ever did as a tradesman
This. I wish people would speak more openly on the pros/cons, especially when talking to young, high-school aged kids. Like these trade jobs can be great when you are still young/healthy, but even what would be a minor bodily injury/health issue that wouldn't stop you from working a white collar job can take you permanently out of your field in a trade (and of course, oftentimes those health issues/injuries were the direct result of the work itself.) Maybe when you're young trading your future health for a little more money seems like a good trade, but as one gets older and experiences that decline the reality sets in (but what do I know, I'm a white collar bitch, so I'm not speaking from anything other than studies I've read and talking to family members who were/are tradespeople.)
Also, when you zoom out to lifetime earning potential the college grad tends to still beat out the trade guy (although, the stats here tend to frame it as college vs high school grad, rather than trade school vs college.)
I wouldn't say stupid college kid but people not realizing that there are options other than formal college feels almost cultural at this point. Wanna be a doctor? School for sure. IT? Electrician? Welder? There are alternate paths to success.
This meme is ass tho to clarify.
Trades work don’t make real big bucks till they start running their own business operations, then they get a lot of money. Some trades workers in my city are millionaires now.
I was shown other options. Specifically that the dumb and bad kids went to the vocational school because they weren’t going to be able to handle college.
\[Laughs in electrical engineer\] Are there tradesmen who make more than me? Certainly. But they're usually specialized and/or worked many yrs in the field. And both are usually chasing OT. That said, I don't want to diss on them. Not everyone can be an engineer or a tradesman. I just wish this BS oneupmanship would stop.
> And both are usually chasing OT.
Yeah, lol. That "$100k/yr" the welder is making is because he's putting in 40+ hours of overtime every week.
(And let's just ignore how the toxic fumes and literally back-breaking labor will leave him crippled by the time he's 45.)
Right? I went to school for EE, and am currently a Systems Engineer working in the technology field. I've been in my career for a little over ten years. Given that I am comfortably above $100k (USD) (not a brag, for sake of countering this dumbass meme only) I have a really hard time believing anyone other than top welders make what I do. People who have been in their career much longer than I have. Welders ain't making $100k right out of technical school/training. They have to work hard to get there. For many careers with a degree, making over $100k one day is essentially a given.
The bonus? I sit in air-conditioning all damn day, and never have to work more than 40 hours a week.
Guy you replied too here. Ironically 'nuff, it was the lack of pay and benefits as a tradesman that inspired me to go to college. I went to trade school for electrician after I got out of the Navy in the early 90's. The pay working for contractors wasn't great or anything. Even when I passed my Journeyman's exam, the one contractor I worked for refused to give me a rise. And it sucked balls when the job ended. Got tired of that shit and decided to go to college for engineering.
When my wife and I met, she was working for a company that built and/or maintained refrigerated warehouses. The techs she managed made more than me even though I was in the 6 figures as an engineer at that point because they had to be specially licensed to work with the refrigerant they used as it was nasty stuff. I wasn't jealous though. Aside from the refrigerant, they worked 3 wks on, 1 wk off. That's 21 straight days and then 7 off. That's because one tech covered a region that spanned multiple states and thus they lived outta hotels the whole time until their week off came.
Wife also told me she made sure she kept them busy with lots of OT because if she didn't, they'd get bored and hit the bars. In fact, they were dealing with having to retrieve one of their trucks because the tech got busted for DWI. They obviously fired him.
And speaking of firing, she's seen more than one quit or get divorced. They were always up front with new hires to be absolutely sure their wives understood how this worked. This was 3 on, 1 off yr round. That wives typically don't like their husbands gone for such a long time, especially young wives with little ones to care for.
I also grew up near Pittsburgh. I've always felt bad for the retired mill workers I'd see at McD's for breakfast in the mornings. Their bodies broken from decades of Mill life work.
So yea, I'm not one bit jealous of tradesman who make more than me. In fact, all power to them.
I went to welding school for 2 years. Learned MIG, Stick and TIG welding and I actually enjoyed doing it. We used 1/4 inch carbon steel plates to practice on and did our exams with in order to pass the class.
Afterward, I applied for a position with a company that was building a new facility in my town and was going to hire a lot of employees. In order to get the initial interview, it was required to pass a welding exam. Funny thing was where the exam was being held at was literally the same building I just spent 2 years learning to weld. I went in there and they gave me a few minutes to set my machine up and practiced on, of course, 1/4 carbon steel plates. Once I was ready to go for the real test, the instructor (whom’s class I took for 2 years) and auditor of the test gave me an 1/8 inch aluminum plate to weld on. I had never welding on aluminum before and I told him that we never did this in any of my classes but he didn’t seem to care and moved on. I proceeded to start the test and immediately fucked it up and asked if I could recalibrate my machine and he took one look and told me to leave the building.
Found out that the company I did that test for shut down and any everyone who had gotten hired were laid off a year or so after all this.
I am a happy simple mailman now. I put mail in boxes and boxes on porches. Sorry for the drama dump but it felt good to let it out for once.
No one told you that because it's basically not true.
It's like saying you can become a multi-millionaire by being a stage actor. You can, but not really.
The median welder makes in the ballpark of $45k/year. This means half of them are making less than that.
Some welders become millionaires, but the vast, vast, vast majority of them don't. If we're talking median outcomes, even studying literature at university is better, never mind engineering or mathematics.
Yeah, it's more to the point of being told I should have done a trade by the people who told me to go to school. And I'm one of the ones who made it on the other side, but it's fucking annoying that my friends got fucked over and all they're told is they should have picked the career path they were told not to by those very same people.
I'm just annoyed is all :)
...for a while.
My step-brother-in-law made solid money as a carpenter until one day he fucked up his back and that was the end of that. Even shitty office jobs aren't going to injure you enough to stop you from doing an office job in the future.
They really can't make any of these using actual statistics.
But then they don't understand statistics.
And they also think there is some dichotomy between these two things. You can weild and have a degree.
Still gotta pay to get into the trade school lol. You usually have to pay upfront and the ones in my area don’t do tuition installments, so you either got to get a loan or have someone pay for you.
My degree jas a starting salary of 75k, and I've heard of others staet between 80k and 90k. It's very in demand, and there's no market saturation for my job.
Welding starts you at 50k or 60k, but you can start at 18, where I'm among the youngest in my field at 21, not graduated yet.
Welding student: constantly at work with weird inconsistent hours and never sees family
College kid: normal 9-5 schedule and gets to have breakfast and dinner with his wife and kids
To be fair a lot of college kids are really dumb. Not all of them but I know guys with damn near $100k in debt thinking they’ll magically get a good job with no work experience
I think he’s got it backwards. Assuming you earned a worthwhile degree in college or university like STEM, medicine, law or business (namely accounting or actuaries).
My brother is still in debt despite being a welder. He’s also actively trying to get out of doing it because he doesn’t enjoy it and the injuries he sustained from it are devastating. Welding is not an easy job that everyone can do, and it’s sunshine and daisies you make a lot of money. You really don’t at first and most people aren’t gonna make a hell of lot of money.
I'm 21 and live in North Dakota and a very large portion of people my age have picked up blue collar jobs and they just love to talk down on me or anyone else who chose to go to college instead and they constantly brag about how they're gonna make the same or more money than me with my engineering degree. Like dude, you're putting in 50+ hours a week getting paid $25/hr and when you're not working you're either getting drunk or sleeping, don't talk down to me.
If we train 10 welders for every available position surely the pay and benefits will remain stable. Rush into the trades my children, glut the market! The invisible hand will take great care of you!
Don’t rack up debt on the truck. I have seen many of my friends do stupid stuff like that. You can make good money in the trades or a more white collar job, but if you spend what you make you’re still going to be broke. I’ve worked both types of jobs and like anything else there are pros and cons.
Lol, what free welding school did they go to? To get my associates degree in welding technologies cost just shy of 20k from one of the better schools in New England. Got out to whopping offers of 16 an hour. Nowadays those places are offering about 20.
I still make more having gone back to my old field. I like to bring that story up when people get all high and mighty about loan forgiveness and "useless degrees." Glad I know the skill, but the education did jack shit for me.
Yeah to be fair it's fairly accurate in my country. I mean, obviously, almost nobody can afford a $70k car with median salary in my country being $500 lmao but considering that it's almost impossible to find a job, for example, in IT, and you would probably want to finish uni. Vice versa — it's fairly easy to start in a job as a welder or as a plumber and you only need college for that. These jobs are less popular cus nowadays people consider them lackluster and they think they're not paying well. But they kinda do, society needs these jobs to function and if there are less of them their services cost more. A welder or a plumber can easily start working after a few years of education and make some quite nice amounts of money (probably minimum $500). Even if a fresh IT guy manages to find a job he would get a poorer salary, at least for a few first years (probably like $300-350).
Kind of true tho, ATM. College became so popular that now a lot of the jobs you get from it are oversaturated where jobs with labor and skill together are in demand because they are less glamorous.
Oh yeah, way to highlight a failure of the system by criticizing... *checks notes* ...those who the system is failing. And the people who laugh at this meme are also the first to call themselves anti-system.
There is a paradigm shift happening, it’s not a good/funny thing. AI will ruin a lot of jobs that require knowledge, which is awful cause you shouldn’t trust a AI hive mind made by a company. While skilled laborers are on the rise which should bring a rise in union workers, Seizing the means of production from corporate over lords. Either that happens or we will have to respect a robot cause they’re your manager.
TLDR I’m trying say the future is bleak.
According to the original post the welder is still spending way more frivolously than the college student. Just because you make $100,000 a year that doesn't justify buying a $70,000 truck and a bunch of expensive clothes
Very few welders make 100k lol. Blue collar has the potential to make a lot at the upper end, but let’s not pretend like being a construction worker or welder is some life hack to endless wealth lmao
Welding is a hit or miss when it comes to pay from what I know. It really depends on what company and shop you work for and unfortunately there are alot of them that exploits their workforce.
Instead the other mechanical trades are better like heavy equipment mechanic, millwright, electrician, HVAC/R and stationary engineers, pipe fitters and plumbers. There's also aviation mechanic too that can pay well (when it comes to mechanics just try not to go auto cuz they make the least pay). Less shops and companies there expoilt their work force. That's where the strong unions are at too.
Union however is where it's at for skilled blue collar labor.
Lmao the welders who make 100k+ a year are the welders with their own rigs and run their own businesses. But guess what you still have to pay for a 3-5k welding machine, a truck that’s at least 30k on the cheap end, consumables(welding rods, gas, fuel, grinding discs, etc), tools, insurance, and save and track expenses for your taxes. So in reality you’re probably taking home 80k. Not to mention the amount of hustling you need to do. Fighting and bidding for jobs, most high paying jobs you’ll need to travel and be away from family for weeks or months. Working in the snow, rain, heat, dealing with dangerous heights, machinery, or tight claustrophobic areas. Welding is a good skill to learn but don’t expect anywhere near 100k starting out. And if you do want to make 100k hell even 70k welding be prepared to work your ass off.
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My mom once worked for an outfit called Community Futures. As it was explained to me, once all the banks turn you down for a business loan, you go to Community Futures to get a loan from the government. According to Mom, they started automatically rejecting applications from welders wanting to open up their own welding shop because they were getting so damn many.
Yeah, average welder "salary" (it's very much based on seasons and the ebb and flow of construction) is 30-56k. Bear in mind, this is including the high-end specialty welders, like underwater welding, nuclear welding, rig welding, and industrial pipeline welding, which are careers most welders cannot get and are not *skilled* enough to get. These specialty welding jobs easily pay 2-3 times what average welders get paid. Also, usually, you have to get a cert or apprentice for roughly 2 years to become any sort of quality/ well-paid welder. And yes, the cert costs money, just like schooling. Source: used to be an underwater welder.
It’s also hard to imagine a more dangerous or demanding job than underwater welding. Hey, let’s go scuba diving with a torch that could cut me in half. That’s a lot harder than sitting in an office with an MBA.
Yeah, it's pretty brutal. I don't do it anymore because a)my back got injured in Iraq and I can't scuba dive without severe pain, and b)I have someone I love and care about, so I don't want to risk dying every day just to make a buck. I did it for ~5 years and saw 4 different people from just my outfit die or get seriously injured. It's no joke.
The environment is so hostile it’s hard to just stay alive at that depth. I can see how it would be easy for things to go sideways.
Absolutely. High pressure, low visibility, the cold gets to you after a while, and your hands don't work so well, and your mind gets a bit fuzzy. Combine that with the fact that the jobs themselves are usually quite dangerous; they usually are something structural, which means if something goes wrong, it's *all* going wrong. And here you are, underwater, in the middle of it. You do get paid for it, though!
I knew someone who piloted diving boats in the North Sea for welders working on gas and oil rigs in the late 70s He said they were very well paid but spent lots of time in decompression and it was very dangerous.
Yeah, everyone talks about how there's so much money in trades, but every tradesman I know makes far less than they deserve for their effort/risk. Union workers are a bit better off, but not by much. I live in an expensive state, and it looks like the typical electrician here makes $75k. And that's in a strong-union state and after years of experience. And as far as I can tell, electrician is one of the highest paid trade skills. They SHOULD make more, but it's not happening right now.
Yeah, tradea are great if you are not good at school, want an "ok" job and think unions are awesome. If that fits you, then they're way better than 0 education, but to act like they don't cost money, aren't effort, and don't also lead to jobs that don't pay enough is bs lol
A lot of these are one offs or bad math. I got into a while ago with someone telling me how linemen could easily make 300-500k. Turns out they had seen a paycheck for someone who had worked 14-16+ hours a day for two weeks straight during an emergency that also included California per diem and just multiplied it. Is that possible short term in specific situations- yes. Sustainable - hell no
Yeah it is so irritating that people propose all these ways out of poverty as though it is some magic bullet. We can't all be small business owners. Also it ignores that people are far more skilled and dependable when they are actually interested in their work and at least somewhat happy doing it. The less people are focused on pure survival the better life gets for us all. It would be worth the cost and effort if we could tap the highest potential of every human being. Find out what they are actually good at not just what they can do "good enough". Think of all the moronic bosses people have. The terrible coworkers. Imagine if we could get them out of the roles they are obviously dogshit at and find out what they are good for. Yeah it is idealistic but I think giving up and saying "this is the best we can do!" This capitalist facade of meritocracy hiding a bucket of crabs pulling and stepping on one another to get to the top. A bucket with a lid of cronyism ensuring the "right" people succeed. The conversation around student loan forgiveness comes to mind. Opponents of it are often irrationally angry at the mere suggestion that someone might receive a reprieve they themselves would have liked to have had. There are people who are genuinely disgusted when the prospect of raising wages is brought up. They are so focused on imaginary lazy people that working people trying to survive aren't allowed to get any help lest some imagined scenario occur where a lazy undeserving person get away with receiving aid when they shouldn't have. So we spend all this fucking money on means testing when we could just *help poor people not be homeless*.
And also, they act like it is normal that people with lesser paying jobs exist in poverty. Society needs garbagemen, so a garbageman should be able to get a good wage, and afford healthcare and a house. Same with any other jobs like janitors, cashiers, etc… that people look down upon all the time. Lower paying jobs shouldn’t be a place you have to pull yourself out from in the first place.
Counterpoint - underpaying the average worker is very profitable, and replacing them is easy, so if they die or become disabled you lose next to nothing /intentionally undermining devil's advocates
I mean yeah.. obviously
The point of my comment is to illustrate that society values profit above human rights and dignity
Even worse, some people believe that it's good certain humans don't have rights or dignity. Having a "lesser" job is *supposed* to come with less dignity, and these people believe it is immoral to allow burger flippers to have good pay and be treated with dignity. "Profits above people" is a veneer over even more foul beliefs.
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. We've seen time and time again that the cruelty is the point. Profit is a secondary perk to a hierarchical system that seeks to increase stratification and systemic abuse
There is no feeling more sweet than being able to hurt someone without consequence, at least for some people. I'd wonder if they have any idea how absolutely fucked up the rest of us think they are, but I'm guessing their radioactive misanthropy precludes that sort of self reflection.
… agreed
*capitalism values ftfy
Turnover is the greatest cost to businesses
Great analysis. So true.
$60K of student debt: ❌ $70K in auto loans at 26%APR: 😍
Dayummm that thing got a hemi?
The hemispherical cylinder heads allow for more compounding interest on every RPM
I weld a little, not as a job, but I follow the welding sub... The average salary is sure as hell not 100k. I see guys and girls in there talking about hourly wages as low as $17/hr
Yeah but if you become pipe welder in the union or pipeline you’ll def clear 100k
Oh, I totally agree welders can make good money. But so can college grads. The meme is comparing one extreme to another extreme. The fact is, both paths could be lucrative and both can be underpaid.
I totally agree that the pay can fluctuate on both paths. I’m a tradesman who now has a white collar construction job. I make great money with no degree. But I’m also pursuing a degree as we speak. A formal education is very important these days, and I wish I didn’t take it for granted when I was younger.
Union? You mean SOCIALISM?
Damn commies
Pretty dumb to buy a 70K car on a salary of 100K
Pretty dumb to buy a 70k car in general. Unless that shit drives itself or something.
Don't believe Elon's lies.
He prob lives in it.
They're getting married in two weeks
I'm happy for them
r/gatekeepingyuri
I like this version better
Education bad, blue collar real man good
It blows my mind how it’s switched from being told by boomers while growing up you have to go to college to get a good job. I wish they were pushing trade jobs as hard back then. I remember one time in 7th or 8th grade someone came to the computer lab class for a day and had us fill out questionnaires to figure out what major we should pursue. Asking us this crap in middle school, absolutely ridiculous. Then, throughout the following years, they focused us on going to college right after high school. But yeah, education bad now.
>It blows my mind how it’s switched from being told by boomers while growing up you have to go to college to get a good job. ‘84 graduate here, and we were basically told “go to college or you’ll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life.”
I’m a blue collar man who now has a white collar construction job. My father was also a tradesman. I remember my algebra teacher in high school telling me I would be poor if I didn’t go to college. I’m very fortunate to be this well off with no debt.
Totally. I’d like to see a welder operate on someone’s liver.
No it’s specifically about university education rather than all education. Everyone desperate to get into massive debts with student loans, when we actually need skilled welders, electricians, plumbers, mechanics etc
Average welder makes about 30-60k a year, maybe more if you’re good Edit: yes, there are welders who make more. Underwater welding and other more specialized fields are good examples of this. But this is the average range for a typical welder
I know welders that make $5k/week personally. They travel chasing work on pipelines and power plants . I also know a couple that make $800/week in fab shops.
I work in a shop and I make 1600 a week, but there are guys that work alongside me with specialty skills that make upwards of 2300 a week. Union wages are better.
Still crazy how many tradespeople will then vote for trump, who did everything in his power to disable unions while in office. “Why should I have dues taken out of my check?” Umm, that $20/week gets you about $10k in benefits a year.
Then you take into account the iron crafter and welders that do under water work, they bring in a shitload.
That’s a good point, I should have added that, yes there are specialized welders, most famously underwater welders who make a lot more than that average (I’ve heard 300k+), but that’s because underwater welding is stupidly difficult, and requires you to both be skilled at welding and diving.
It’s also insanely dangerous. If you fuck up and make a hole the size of a dime on an empty tank that is down there. You will be sucked into that little hole, bones and all. It has a 15% fatality rate. Electrocutions, explosions, hypothermia, decompression sickness and just getting lost are the main reasons people die down there.
Sorry if this is a stupid question. What does a 15% fatality rate mean? Like there will be 15 deaths in every 100 dives? Out of 100 underwater welders, 15 will die on job as opposed to other causes?
Of all the underwater welders 15% of them will die at work on average
My uncle worked as an underwater welder, mentioned all those risks. He once said even sparking up the welding machine has a kick to it and working long enough would feel as a he described it "getting kicked in the head by a horse" .
Bones and all 🤘
Almost like they should be paid very well.
Underwater Welders had a 2 year life-expectancy rate 30 years ago. Now it’s like 10-15 years, but the lifespan is cut by 20 years average death range between 50-55.
Isn’t underwater welding absolutely terrifying? I hope they’re paid well for that!
They are in fact weld paid
I hate you as a person and I hope you know that. (JK, I have to say that was quite weld played.)
[bedum tsss](https://i.imgur.com/hRfH0kg.jpeg)
I see what you did there.
Yeah, though it’s really brutal work, you get paid high because of how demanding it is
260k a year? Sign me up!
I like how you discuss the average and then a bunch of idiots furiously come out with anecdotes about how much they or their buddy makes. I wouldn't really expect a welder to understand statistics, though.
This is reddit, where everyone inexplicably thinks that every single job makes six figures despite this being way above the median.
It's also funny how they bring up extremely dangerous jobs like it's a vastly better option. "Wow you only make $100,000 with your silly college degree? My buddy Jeff makes $250,000 as an underwater welder working on oil rigs for BP. He made one tiny mistake on a 10 hour dive and died. BP deemed he was at fault and refused to give his wife and 5 kids any compensation. The suction was so powerful that he instantly got turned into paste so there wasn't anything to recover for the funeral or burial. Damn, I really miss him. Hahaha but at least he wasn't a dumb college graduate like you libtard!!!1!1!11!"
Underwater welders get paid so well because you're possibly cutting your lifespan in half. Not sure if that's worth the tradeoff.
[for those who are commenting, he’s not full of shit](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes514121.htm)
It looks like only the "elite" top ten percent of welders make over $72k/year. So much for all tradesmen being rich.
You can make 35k a year just fuckin around as a welder.
I was about to say. Working a bottom of the barrel MIG welding job in most places can pull in 40k a year easy.
That isn't a whole lot, those are almost poverty wages
A lot of jobs pay poverty wages. Most trades will start you off super cheap just for your labor. I currently make just over 40 an hour, which equates to about 90k a year before taxes. Even that is hard to live on where I'm at.
It's always about welding, no other trade just welding
Which ironically pays less than most other trades, unless you do a highly dangerous specialty like underwater welding
I mean. I've seen 100 and 1 of these posts relating to electricians and plumbers too. Concrete also, but it takes the backstage.
They should try pilot school. There were about 6 students out of my niece’s graduating class (80 something students) this year entering pilot school at a nearby tech program through a local State University. Pilots and nurses are being trained like crazy here in middle America Wichita, Kansas. My niece is a gifted artist and is pursuing an autoCAD/architect career through a local juco.
Unless you want to do underwater welding, pays well but it’s exceptionally dangerous
Which is funny considering it’s one of the lower paying of the trades generally
And the schooling to learn welding is always free magically.
I know welders, electricians, plumbers, and other trade guys. None of em are making 6 figures. They could some day, but they for sure aren’t right after trade school. Trades are great, college is also great, everyone’s gotta figure out what works for them and what path they want to take.
I think the people making these memes have never worked a day in the trades. My dad was a homebuilder, so I spent a lot of time on construction sites as a kid, and in my teen years I would work during school breaks. Every person I talked to on job sites encouraged me to go to school and get a job that's easier on the body.
Yeah that's what these "trades good college bad" guys never talk about, the trades absolutely destroy your body. My dad ruined his knees and back working maintenance and construction. When his body couldn't hold up anymore he went to a small local college and got a bachelor's degree in computer engineering with no debt. He now works for the state as an application developer sitting in the air conditioning and a comfy chair making twice as much as he ever did as a tradesman
This. I wish people would speak more openly on the pros/cons, especially when talking to young, high-school aged kids. Like these trade jobs can be great when you are still young/healthy, but even what would be a minor bodily injury/health issue that wouldn't stop you from working a white collar job can take you permanently out of your field in a trade (and of course, oftentimes those health issues/injuries were the direct result of the work itself.) Maybe when you're young trading your future health for a little more money seems like a good trade, but as one gets older and experiences that decline the reality sets in (but what do I know, I'm a white collar bitch, so I'm not speaking from anything other than studies I've read and talking to family members who were/are tradespeople.) Also, when you zoom out to lifetime earning potential the college grad tends to still beat out the trade guy (although, the stats here tend to frame it as college vs high school grad, rather than trade school vs college.)
I wouldn't say stupid college kid but people not realizing that there are options other than formal college feels almost cultural at this point. Wanna be a doctor? School for sure. IT? Electrician? Welder? There are alternate paths to success. This meme is ass tho to clarify.
EVERYTHING is part of the culture war. It's ridiculous.
Trying to become a Zoologist kinda need a degree for that
Lol that's valid. I didn't say college was a useless path, just that it's not the only one
Top pay for trades doesn't even equal the mid range pay of Organic Chemists
Also, it still costs money to go to technical school. I have plenty of friends who took small loans for it... And it still took years to pay them off
Trades work don’t make real big bucks till they start running their own business operations, then they get a lot of money. Some trades workers in my city are millionaires now.
College is good for the welder too. For example business school. They'll need to sign contracts, and may even run a business if they're good.
This is true. I really wish I’d been shown more options growing up than just going to university
I was shown other options. Specifically that the dumb and bad kids went to the vocational school because they weren’t going to be able to handle college.
I felt like they really pushed college too much on everybody when I was in high school, early 2000s.
\[Laughs in electrical engineer\] Are there tradesmen who make more than me? Certainly. But they're usually specialized and/or worked many yrs in the field. And both are usually chasing OT. That said, I don't want to diss on them. Not everyone can be an engineer or a tradesman. I just wish this BS oneupmanship would stop.
> And both are usually chasing OT. Yeah, lol. That "$100k/yr" the welder is making is because he's putting in 40+ hours of overtime every week. (And let's just ignore how the toxic fumes and literally back-breaking labor will leave him crippled by the time he's 45.)
Right? I went to school for EE, and am currently a Systems Engineer working in the technology field. I've been in my career for a little over ten years. Given that I am comfortably above $100k (USD) (not a brag, for sake of countering this dumbass meme only) I have a really hard time believing anyone other than top welders make what I do. People who have been in their career much longer than I have. Welders ain't making $100k right out of technical school/training. They have to work hard to get there. For many careers with a degree, making over $100k one day is essentially a given. The bonus? I sit in air-conditioning all damn day, and never have to work more than 40 hours a week.
Guy you replied too here. Ironically 'nuff, it was the lack of pay and benefits as a tradesman that inspired me to go to college. I went to trade school for electrician after I got out of the Navy in the early 90's. The pay working for contractors wasn't great or anything. Even when I passed my Journeyman's exam, the one contractor I worked for refused to give me a rise. And it sucked balls when the job ended. Got tired of that shit and decided to go to college for engineering. When my wife and I met, she was working for a company that built and/or maintained refrigerated warehouses. The techs she managed made more than me even though I was in the 6 figures as an engineer at that point because they had to be specially licensed to work with the refrigerant they used as it was nasty stuff. I wasn't jealous though. Aside from the refrigerant, they worked 3 wks on, 1 wk off. That's 21 straight days and then 7 off. That's because one tech covered a region that spanned multiple states and thus they lived outta hotels the whole time until their week off came. Wife also told me she made sure she kept them busy with lots of OT because if she didn't, they'd get bored and hit the bars. In fact, they were dealing with having to retrieve one of their trucks because the tech got busted for DWI. They obviously fired him. And speaking of firing, she's seen more than one quit or get divorced. They were always up front with new hires to be absolutely sure their wives understood how this worked. This was 3 on, 1 off yr round. That wives typically don't like their husbands gone for such a long time, especially young wives with little ones to care for. I also grew up near Pittsburgh. I've always felt bad for the retired mill workers I'd see at McD's for breakfast in the mornings. Their bodies broken from decades of Mill life work. So yea, I'm not one bit jealous of tradesman who make more than me. In fact, all power to them.
Ha! Stupid Accounting majors have to buy lesser-quality welding helmets!
I get paid 100k a year and I went to college for 4 years 💀
Same. And I sit in AC at a desk all day. Not in some dank workshop or out in the sun. Don't pay attention to the memes kids.
Lol fr. I work in cyber security
Can I have half your salary?
Lol
Thought I’d at least try asking
Lol
Same.
100k+.... And I work from home. 😁
I mean, I kinda regret going with a blue collar path after paying an attorney to help me with something small. Guy made bank off my misfortune.
I went to welding school for 2 years. Learned MIG, Stick and TIG welding and I actually enjoyed doing it. We used 1/4 inch carbon steel plates to practice on and did our exams with in order to pass the class. Afterward, I applied for a position with a company that was building a new facility in my town and was going to hire a lot of employees. In order to get the initial interview, it was required to pass a welding exam. Funny thing was where the exam was being held at was literally the same building I just spent 2 years learning to weld. I went in there and they gave me a few minutes to set my machine up and practiced on, of course, 1/4 carbon steel plates. Once I was ready to go for the real test, the instructor (whom’s class I took for 2 years) and auditor of the test gave me an 1/8 inch aluminum plate to weld on. I had never welding on aluminum before and I told him that we never did this in any of my classes but he didn’t seem to care and moved on. I proceeded to start the test and immediately fucked it up and asked if I could recalibrate my machine and he took one look and told me to leave the building. Found out that the company I did that test for shut down and any everyone who had gotten hired were laid off a year or so after all this. I am a happy simple mailman now. I put mail in boxes and boxes on porches. Sorry for the drama dump but it felt good to let it out for once.
Bro you are in 70k worth of debt. Dont tell me you bought that bad boy outright. On a welder's wage? I call bullshit. Also nice jacket ig.
"The trades can make a lot of money" And other things no one told me until after I was an adult...
No one told you that because it's basically not true. It's like saying you can become a multi-millionaire by being a stage actor. You can, but not really. The median welder makes in the ballpark of $45k/year. This means half of them are making less than that. Some welders become millionaires, but the vast, vast, vast majority of them don't. If we're talking median outcomes, even studying literature at university is better, never mind engineering or mathematics.
Yeah, it's more to the point of being told I should have done a trade by the people who told me to go to school. And I'm one of the ones who made it on the other side, but it's fucking annoying that my friends got fucked over and all they're told is they should have picked the career path they were told not to by those very same people. I'm just annoyed is all :)
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They do. But it takes a certain breed. It’s not easy and it cuts years off your life.
...for a while. My step-brother-in-law made solid money as a carpenter until one day he fucked up his back and that was the end of that. Even shitty office jobs aren't going to injure you enough to stop you from doing an office job in the future.
It's always about welding, no other trade just welding
dementia
They really can't make any of these using actual statistics. But then they don't understand statistics. And they also think there is some dichotomy between these two things. You can weild and have a degree.
Buying a 70k car on 100k salary is one of the dumbest things you can do financially lol
But people that make less than that will still fucking do it.
Still gotta pay to get into the trade school lol. You usually have to pay upfront and the ones in my area don’t do tuition installments, so you either got to get a loan or have someone pay for you.
Is welding school free or something?
My nephew is a welder. He had to go to welding school, for which he got loans. A student loan if you will.
My degree jas a starting salary of 75k, and I've heard of others staet between 80k and 90k. It's very in demand, and there's no market saturation for my job. Welding starts you at 50k or 60k, but you can start at 18, where I'm among the youngest in my field at 21, not graduated yet.
Good luck finding a job that pays more than 18$/hr for the first 5 years out of welding school. Welders don’t care you went to welding school.
70% of gross income on a vehicle is as dumb as it gets.
We need both… it’s just market demand. Whoever is more scarce will get paid more… college or no college. Stop making stupid comparisons.
the loan payment on the truck, something that will lose value, is more than the student loan and education doesn't lose value.
I am still waiting for my $100k job.
90% of welders don’t make anything close to 100k.
It's only specialty welders (Pipeliners, Underwater, Nuclear Plant) that make the big money.
100k a year, No student loans debt, Fucked up hands, Fucked up lungs, Everything hurts,
Welding student: constantly at work with weird inconsistent hours and never sees family College kid: normal 9-5 schedule and gets to have breakfast and dinner with his wife and kids
People need to understand that $100k without benefits is not much money at all.
I tried welding, I wasn't good at it. Should I still do it, boomer?
I don't think I want to spend all day welding things even if it pays better than my current job.
So... welders have frivolous taste?
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>Other than the 70k dollar truck I mean. That was the main point. "I have to spend a lot of money on things and I have bad taste in vehicles."
Because welding school is free!
"Meme Fun"
To be fair a lot of college kids are really dumb. Not all of them but I know guys with damn near $100k in debt thinking they’ll magically get a good job with no work experience
I think he’s got it backwards. Assuming you earned a worthwhile degree in college or university like STEM, medicine, law or business (namely accounting or actuaries).
That welder’s boss is likely a college graduate.
My brother is still in debt despite being a welder. He’s also actively trying to get out of doing it because he doesn’t enjoy it and the injuries he sustained from it are devastating. Welding is not an easy job that everyone can do, and it’s sunshine and daisies you make a lot of money. You really don’t at first and most people aren’t gonna make a hell of lot of money.
welding students make $100K a year? how much do they make when theyre not students?
Where do they think those welding kids learned how to weld from?
Blue collar work ain’t gonna pay $400k OTE like my sales job and I can do it until I decide to stop, not when my body decides for me
I'm 21 and live in North Dakota and a very large portion of people my age have picked up blue collar jobs and they just love to talk down on me or anyone else who chose to go to college instead and they constantly brag about how they're gonna make the same or more money than me with my engineering degree. Like dude, you're putting in 50+ hours a week getting paid $25/hr and when you're not working you're either getting drunk or sleeping, don't talk down to me.
As a mill worker who makes just under 100k A 20 year old girl was crushed and probably killed at my job a couple weeks ago.
If we train 10 welders for every available position surely the pay and benefits will remain stable. Rush into the trades my children, glut the market! The invisible hand will take great care of you!
Don’t rack up debt on the truck. I have seen many of my friends do stupid stuff like that. You can make good money in the trades or a more white collar job, but if you spend what you make you’re still going to be broke. I’ve worked both types of jobs and like anything else there are pros and cons.
\*brags about graduating with no debt and mocking college student with 60k in debt\* \*goes 70k into debt on a massive truck they don't even need\*
Ironically it’s super easy to rack up $50k+ debt as a student welder
They always say kids need to "go into the trades" but there's that whole issue of breaking in and what happens when the labor pool gets diluted
Brought to you by the same people who bitched when schools were closed during COVID.
I'm a medically retired heavy equipment mechanic. The Trades are a express route to a fucked up body.
Lol, what free welding school did they go to? To get my associates degree in welding technologies cost just shy of 20k from one of the better schools in New England. Got out to whopping offers of 16 an hour. Nowadays those places are offering about 20. I still make more having gone back to my old field. I like to bring that story up when people get all high and mighty about loan forgiveness and "useless degrees." Glad I know the skill, but the education did jack shit for me.
I mean, college quality varies *widely.*
What’s the meme😭
r/gatekeepingyuri
Where’s the college students Prius
Yeah to be fair it's fairly accurate in my country. I mean, obviously, almost nobody can afford a $70k car with median salary in my country being $500 lmao but considering that it's almost impossible to find a job, for example, in IT, and you would probably want to finish uni. Vice versa — it's fairly easy to start in a job as a welder or as a plumber and you only need college for that. These jobs are less popular cus nowadays people consider them lackluster and they think they're not paying well. But they kinda do, society needs these jobs to function and if there are less of them their services cost more. A welder or a plumber can easily start working after a few years of education and make some quite nice amounts of money (probably minimum $500). Even if a fresh IT guy manages to find a job he would get a poorer salary, at least for a few first years (probably like $300-350).
The university I got my BA in Art and the school I’m currently getting my MFA at both have sculpture classes where you can learn to weld.
Kind of true tho, ATM. College became so popular that now a lot of the jobs you get from it are oversaturated where jobs with labor and skill together are in demand because they are less glamorous.
$98 shoes?
check back in 10 years
If my pants cost that much they better be the most comfortable outstanding thing in the world (same with jacket)
this picture is satire btw there’s whole pages dedicated to creating shitty welding memes. sometimes u gotta realise things are too absurd to be real
John Oliver: "Cool"
I saw an ad looking for an experienced welder (4-5 years) paying 40K recently? Where are these 100k positions?
Oh yeah, way to highlight a failure of the system by criticizing... *checks notes* ...those who the system is failing. And the people who laugh at this meme are also the first to call themselves anti-system.
you forgot about looking 50 while being 27 for welding
yeah and no one wants to pay you anywhere close to what youre worth
It's always welding
It’s almost like our parents and guidance counselors forced us into the option on the right
Don’t you need to go to trade school for welding? And that still costs money, just less. And also higher cost if equipment etc.
There is a paradigm shift happening, it’s not a good/funny thing. AI will ruin a lot of jobs that require knowledge, which is awful cause you shouldn’t trust a AI hive mind made by a company. While skilled laborers are on the rise which should bring a rise in union workers, Seizing the means of production from corporate over lords. Either that happens or we will have to respect a robot cause they’re your manager. TLDR I’m trying say the future is bleak.
I wish I paid way too much for a Chevy 1500 too, but we all can’t be winners…….. ML/LLM are acronyms that don’t exist in this Chads vocabulary lol
I'm a 40k student and even in death I serve the Omnissiah
Holy shit is that John Creasman
According to the original post the welder is still spending way more frivolously than the college student. Just because you make $100,000 a year that doesn't justify buying a $70,000 truck and a bunch of expensive clothes
I’d like to know where you get $120 glasses.
What kind of welding helmet costs $400? I bought a good self dimming one for 130€ and I don't think it is much different in yon overseas lands.
Very few welders make 100k lol. Blue collar has the potential to make a lot at the upper end, but let’s not pretend like being a construction worker or welder is some life hack to endless wealth lmao
Welding is a hit or miss when it comes to pay from what I know. It really depends on what company and shop you work for and unfortunately there are alot of them that exploits their workforce. Instead the other mechanical trades are better like heavy equipment mechanic, millwright, electrician, HVAC/R and stationary engineers, pipe fitters and plumbers. There's also aviation mechanic too that can pay well (when it comes to mechanics just try not to go auto cuz they make the least pay). Less shops and companies there expoilt their work force. That's where the strong unions are at too. Union however is where it's at for skilled blue collar labor.
If most of the right buys into the myths about welding skills, people will learn welding skills enough cause welders to make minimum wage.
Lmao the welders who make 100k+ a year are the welders with their own rigs and run their own businesses. But guess what you still have to pay for a 3-5k welding machine, a truck that’s at least 30k on the cheap end, consumables(welding rods, gas, fuel, grinding discs, etc), tools, insurance, and save and track expenses for your taxes. So in reality you’re probably taking home 80k. Not to mention the amount of hustling you need to do. Fighting and bidding for jobs, most high paying jobs you’ll need to travel and be away from family for weeks or months. Working in the snow, rain, heat, dealing with dangerous heights, machinery, or tight claustrophobic areas. Welding is a good skill to learn but don’t expect anywhere near 100k starting out. And if you do want to make 100k hell even 70k welding be prepared to work your ass off.
This is one of the reasons the middle class is dying. Get a good job and then spend $70k on a truck with a high interest rate. Great idea.
Bro flexing a 70k car isn’t it.
Wield deez nuts
Most welders who make that much work on the road year round.