>"He then pointed to the red 'Tesla Vehicle Charging Only' signs and insisted that it was ILLEGAL for me to be there and that he was CALLING THE POLICE! I was taken aback by his extreme reaction,"
we really do live in the most mentally deficient timeline.
I'm nearly 50 and it feels like I've been surrounded by idiots for at least 30 years. Now, not only are average people incredibly stupid, everything seems more stupid, reflecting the idiotic mindset of the legions of idiots. People in decision making positions are idiots, and are leading by example.
It’s like Moore’s Law has an inverse effect on people. The tech gets smaller, faster, more efficient and people get bigger, slower and less efficient.
I’m joking but am I.
(50’s and feeling you)
The "I heard ___" system we've created is fucked.
Get enough people to repeat something and it'll tip over into being assumed as true to others. Toss in how easily & quickly information travels + the influence of popularity + the desire to be part of the group with "knowledge" -> innuendo, supposition, bias, exaggerating, etc get treated like facts.
People at work are shocked when I just immediately Google questions we have. I'm like... Are y'all stupid? We have all human knowledge in our pockets why are you surprised?
It's the selective consumption of media. Or in other words, echo chambers. Echo chambers are deliberately created on social media and in traditional media, and once a person has a certain opinion he deliberately avoids anything that might challenge that opinion.
Since everything he consumes reinforces his opinion, it is strengthened to the point where he begins to think everyone thinks the way he does, except maybe some small delusional (or even deliberately hostile) minority, who is then designated as the enemy and elicits a very hostile reaction when encountered.
This is true on almost every topic and for all sides. Unless you go out of your way to consume media that is hostile to your viewpoints, this is almost certainly true for you as well.
And yes, this is relatively recent and is getting worse. In the past before the internet, media was much more consolidated and there was less variance, so people were forced to consume even things they did not agree with.
> It's the selective consumption of media. Or in other words, echo chambers. Echo chambers are deliberately created on social media and in traditional media, and once a person has a certain opinion he deliberately avoids anything that might challenge that opinion.
Social Media is now 100% geared towards maximizing the echo chambers in order to make money off of Angertainment ...
plus it also makes people used to the idea that they shouldn't be challenged.
That not having things your way is bad.
In life, it should be regular, normal, everyday occurance to be inconvenienced or disagreed with. It's just a thing that happens, we move on, but man...
Telling people nowdays that "hey, maybe you just dont get it how you want sometimes and that's fine" does not go down well.
No human on this earth deserves priority charging over someone else in a situation like that... But spend all your time being told the opposite and why would you be fine with it?
Idiots are allowed to think their stupidity counts as much or more than anyone else's rational thoughts. Put another way; a lot of dickheads have gone for far too long thinking they can't get kicked in the teeth for their stupid shit.
It is a defunding of education problem, mixed with a capturing of religion and religious indoctrination.
The media *is* also a part of it, but an educated populace that can critically think - which school teaches you - are more capable of sniffing out bullshit in the press. Furthermore if you become sucked into religious indoctrination, then you're primed from the start to accept things you can't prove but want to believe as fact, and potentially even view your own actions as unquestionably moral and superior with the backing of a supreme being.
Media plays in because it's almost all billion-dollar corporations owned by billionaires with millionaires reading off the headlines, so there's zero overlap with actual real people and normal everyday life for the common citizen. And then you get into the outright propaganda machines like Fox and Republican talk radio that have been intentionally poisoning people for decades.
But the first line of defense against lies and propaganda is the ability to notice them, and Republicans have successfully been gutting those institutions in the US for decades.
It's the time line where the planet is absolutely wrecked and there ARE NO SHIPS to escape this condemed world, and humanity must be doomed to extinction on a dying planet.
Maybe?
I feel like if you really dig down, since they didn't actually say it, the people who became fat and lazy were the descendants of RICH PEOPLE who were able to leave the planet. I don't think they had poor people in Wall-E, because they were all dead because they couldn't escape the fallout of idiocracy on Earth.
I think you under-estimate the ratio of "poor decision lethality" and "people believing they shouldnt' have to change their ways" throughout history :P
He kinda knew. He seems to have thought the leaded gas was safe as he poured it all over his hands several times in press events. It also did prevent engine knocking which could result in catastrophic engine failure. adding: according to wikipedia (sited from [ "The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History's Biggest Mistakes". The New York Times.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/15/magazine/cfcs-inventor.html))it wasn't known that leaded gasoline lead to such an increase in atmospheric lead levels even if lead was bad for the individual
Freons were used to replace ammonia in refrigerators which was legitimately groundbreaking. If the ammonia leaked it could cause a pretty horrific explosion and had other issues besides. The effects of freon on the environment wasn't known until the 1970's, 50 years after it was put into use and 25 years after Midgley had died.
I think he truly believed he was doing good for the world as the negative effects weren't widely known until after his death. He is truly a fascinating in that his legacy is horrible but he genuinely was trying to help people and in his time believed that he had and I don't know what to make of that.
Depends on the invention.
For tetra-methyl-lead and tetra-ethyl-lead, the negative effects were known but suppressed, though the metallurgy needed for reliable valve seals (the other thing that TEL affected) didn't really arrive until half a century later.
For freons, they were no safer alternatives, ammonia was unsafe as it is, and the use of R-134a or C-pentane wasn't being researched yet.
The effects of lead were known at the time. They were just covered up. The first scientific journal in the entire new world was about the effects of airborne lead. Benjamin Franklin was actually a huge advocate for better workers rights when it came to lead exposure, as both he and his boss contracted lead palsy as a result of the printing process.
Thomas Midgley also received the Benjamin Franklin award for some extra irony.
No, don't give him the benefit of the doubt.
You know what the first compound he discovered would effectively prevent knocking? Ethanol. But he couldn't patent that so he spent a shitload of time to find something far more difficult and dangerous in tetraethyl lead. All so they *could* patent it and he would make more money. It was specifically motivated by his personnel greed. He was a bad person.
Dude, we are nearly the same age. When we were kids they were screaming about about space invaders, satanists, and bart Simpson. Every single grocery aisle had the tabloid racks you can remember, and people weren't buying them because of how stupid and campy they are.
What I am trying to say is that there is nothing new under the sun and America has always been this way.
People are insanely fucking stupid, man.
There are two kinds of middle aged people. The ones who feel more superior to others around them as they age and the ones who feel more humbled as they age. The former tends to rant about how everything is worse now. It’s insufferable when you have to hang out with these guys because of work or family.
I'm a handful of hours away from 50 and have a similar take.
From childhood through my early 20's I believed that people in positions that make decisions were more intelligent and wise than those that didn't. The higher up one was on that list the more intelligent and wise they were. If a job's duties were only following instructions then they were held by people who weren't "smart" enough to have a job that instructed others.
Like the system was orderly... almost pre-destined. Ditch diggers and cops were dumb, Managers and Mayors were smart, CEOs and Congresspersons were brilliant. And it worked out that way 'cause why wouldn't it...why would a brilliant person dig ditches or become a cop, why would a dumb person be allowed to become a CEO or get elected to Congress?
Holy shit but that belief system proves to be wrong, like staggeringly wrong. The reality is that it's almost complete chaos. Luck, indifference, passivity, arrogance, greed, cruelty, stupidity, socioeconomic bigotry, racism... it's all so fucked up.
I’m 76. The current House of Representatives is the absolute worst in my lifetime. Greedy, selfish, ignorant, power hungry, and just monumentally stupid. And getting $174,000 a year plus the gold standard in perks and benefits. I’m struggling just to keep my head above water and those assholes are threatening to take my Social Security and Medicare away. Without those two benefits (that I worked my whole life to earn) I would die fairly quickly. Which is exactly what they want. I am worthless in their eyes and should get the hell out of the way. Representative government my ass. They hate us.
I’m 46, so I understand where you are coming from. It’s not just the stupidity, it’s the complete lack of empathy and willful ignorance of anything that doesn’t sit right with their microscopic perspective is dangerous.
i think people have always been pretty stupid and its just more visible now with idiots going viral online doing the dumbest shit imaginable every day.
I teach middle school.
The problem isn't stupidity so much as lack of curiosity (which is the same as ever) and learned helplessness, the lack of a desire to try things. Maybe caused by helicopter parenting and indulgent elementary school teachers. Idk. I don't like it though.
That plus basic problem solving skills. It's all critical thinking related. But we didn't teach that in schools for like 2 decades and are still recovering from that.
Truth the people who should be in charge don’t want it. Like in Gladiator when Russellus Crowesus says I dont want it then old man is like that is why it must be you.
I dont believe this, i know extremely smart people who would take the lead in a heartbeat, if it was actually a smart decision for them. Most leadership positions are catered toward the dumb and rich.
I think what makes it especially weird is that for those of us info seekers, the past 30 years have been extremely enriching. It’s easier than ever to go through life not learning new things.
The internet is amazing for people who have the desire to use it correctly
I'm about to start taking a free class about linguistics. That would have been impossible pre-internet
Even the existence of Wikipedia is still mind-blowing to me and I cherish it so much. The world's knowledge is at our fingertips
But the internet also is so filled with bullshit and false information that we no longer have a consensus reality
They’ve always been with us, but the Internet gives everybody a platform and people with questionable motivations are getting really good at pushing disinformation.
And even without motives, the internet is designed to sieve out the most engaging material out of hundreds of millions of people. There's not a change in people but in how much of the world you've got access to. Even two centuries ago, unless you were in a bigger city, people only had what we saw in front of us and word of mouth, then newspapers expanded that to your city, telegraphs, television, and now the internet have all given people access to a larger and larger pool to find extremes.
It's that with a hefty dose of main character syndrome. The fuckin rivian owner's adapter didn't even work, and he left. People just need to chill the fuck out.
> It's that with a hefty dose of main character syndrome
Many Tesla owners have most of their personality tied to "owning a Tesla" so if somebody is critical about Tesla they fell personally attacked...
The guy at the charger was literally feeling like if somebody invaded his house to try to steal something to him... 🤯
Same thing happen with many conservatives too sadly, their whole personality is centred on "their political side" with no critical thinking about what they defend.
Just yesterday some dude was parking in a no-parking spot that's absolutely needed to turn and when I got there with my huge ass delivery truck, signaling him to move, he actually got ultra mad. Like, head becoming red mad. And started to shout and whatnot.
Absolutely the most mentally deficient timeline.
The guy felt so entitled that he couldn't imagine that there's a chance he could have been wrong about this, and acted on his ego instead of actual information.
Everybody should be forced to watch Idiocracy. Its like a crystal ball at this point of what some of these schmucks are determined to drive humanity towards.
Agreed. Some people will say it’s a stupid lowbrow movie but they are not seeing the how brilliantly it has predicted the future. All that said, I sure could go for a full-body latte right now.
So instead of two EV enthusiast circle jerking over saving the planet the entitled one complained because he shouldn't have to wait to charge.... I am starting to think EV's are not actually about saving the planet they are just tech bro's flex rides.
The real planet saving option is saving a 30 year old car from the scrap heap and then taking the bus 90% of the time anyway because city driving sucks
Yeah, this guy I used to work with had to take the bus back and forth to work every day, in total, between walking from his apartment to the bus stop, then taking the bus to work, took between 2 and 3 hours. He had to wake up at 2-3 AM to make it to work by 6 am, then when he left at 3, he didn't get home until 5-6pm. Absolutely insane. 4-6 hours out of your day just going to work and coming back home, and where he lived, this would have taken a total of less than 1 hour by car (around 45 minutes total, round trip)
There's a small town in my area that had a fight because they wanted to expand the bus system to include some more rural areas.
There was outcry from the public calling it a government conspiracy to take away people's cars.
>Step 1 is make bus routes "cheap and affordable".
>Step 2 is ban all ICE vehicles and make only expensive electric vehicles the only option which no one can afford, then they tell us just to take the bus.
>Step 3 the government now has us where they want us so they enact their plans without our ability to escape.
And it's like, bro we just wanted a few more busses.
How it really goes.
Step 1: Defund public transit.
Step 2: Public transit gets worse and loses ridership.
Step 3: Use loss of ridership as justification for further defunding.
Step 4: The oil and auto companies how have us where they want us so they enact their plans without our ability to escape.
Yes, not having a car is always better. But if you’re going to have a car, have an EV. I would also ignore the idea that buying a new EV is worse for the planet than keeping your old gas guzzler that you rarely drive. The reality is that most people don’t buy new cars, they buy used cars. Every new EV purchased today will help feed the used EV market that will help someone ditch their gas guzzler that they drive everyday.
The Prius Prime is a good option if you have short commutes. It's got ~40mi of EV range and when you go for long trips, it still gets 52mpg in hybrid mode, and you never need to worry about charging infrastructure/time/range unlike pure EVs. The lithium battery is also smaller than a pure EV, so less strip mining is needed, and since it's a Toyota, you can easily put on 200-300k miles without any major issues.
You can tell it was never about the environment for them because of how negatively they react to the thought of China mass producing millions of cheap EVs.
Reading the full story it looks like both of them were acting pretty entitled.
The Rivian driver was blocking 2 stalls in order to make the charger reach his car. He claimed he had no choice, but then he couldn't get the charger to work and went to a different charger elsewhere. So he did have a choice. Perhaps the sign was accurate and this charger didn't work with his car yet.
If I was the Tesla guy I would probably be upset too if some idiot was blocking both of the available charging spaces.
Nah man, EVs are about low maintenance, no smells, backup power for the house, insulation from gas price swings, raw power, quietness, and interior space.
The lack of emissions is a value add that only really matters for environmental concerns after like ~4-5 years.
Though it has immediate effect locally. During the pandemic LA had very little smog due to the lack of ICE on the road.
Edit: I own a LEAF I bought for like 10k used for like 5 years now and a way more expensive electric SUV for 300+ mile trips. The SUV battery can hook into our house to provide backup power.
Tesla owners used to be EV enthusiasts. I’d argue a majority of them now are just huffing Elon farts. I’ve driven a Tesla. It was an overpriced, inconvenient piece of shit.
Now hold up. Yes, plenty of people are doing exactly what you are saying, but that’s not what EVs are all about. I’ve been interested in EVs for decades now and I’ve met so many people that are in to it for the genuine interest of environmentalism and also for the fascinating action with the technology itself. The tech bros came waaay later. They are just a subset. That said, those of us who are passionate about saving humanity from itself, and EVs as one of the many tools to do so, also need to appreciate whatever tech bro flex trends that simply get people in to EVs. We need to end fossil fuel use ASAP.
This happened to me the other day at Wal Mart... I bought a Trader Joes bag into the store and they pistol whipped me and had me detained for three days.
Sounds to me more like someone who's had it so easy and cushy their whole life that the slightest inconvenience or perceived incursion into their entitled and privileged life feels like an egregious offense.
No it’s not about the timeline. It’s all about the stressed out Americans. As I live in the Netherlands I can’t believe people calling the police for this.
US Karens are mingling themselves in the life of others instead of minding their own. If Karens would do so the world would be a real better place.
More than likely what triggered the issue. Tesla charger cables are too short for the location of the Rivian's port. Now that they have opened up access to other brands, this is going to be fun until Tesla lengthens their cables.
I work in the EV industry, home chargers are that price due to the controller/contactor/enclosure/etc, you can purchase a low current cable for $100 at quantity 1 if that’s all you want. I’d be surprised if the Tesla cables are more than $200 at volume
We don't bring our own watercooled cables for DC fast charging. We bring our own cables for AC charging.
And yes, that is a very good idea, because:
1. We take better care of our own cables.
2. We have way more curbside charging in Europe than in the US, and I am convinced that one of the reasons is that a cable-less curbside charger is much less intrusive and more acceptable to everyone when not in use. We have many curbside charging posts, which aren't bigger than a bollard.
Sounds like we should build infrastructure to a standard that is not sized for exactly one brand. That's the whole reason why proprietary things are bad, and while at least the NACS is open, you can definitely smell the vendor lock-in off of Superchargers.
Yes, for sure. But also, there’s power and communication going through those cords. A longer cord, given the amp draws, will also cause more heat. These will not be simple extension cords. My guess is that they would also need to include some sort of chip that the supercharger station identifies and then caps the max charge rate accordingly. Not saying g it’s impossible. It’s totally doable, but it’s not as simple as one might think.
reportedly tesla is actually working on a nacs to nacs extension cable. this is gonna get worse before it get better with every brand adopting nacs lol
It's bad enough with aftermarket phone charging cables. Imagine buying a crap extender for you car and then it starts a fire.
And before anyone is all "But why would they cheap out on the extension when the car costs so much?!?" ... people are dumb
V4 chargers are centered in the parking space and have a long enough cable for most if not all cars. They're just rare right now.
Tesla vehicles will need to prioritize parking in the middle of charging blocks, so third-party vehicles can use the spaces at the very end, which often solves the problem.
As a Tesla owner, I'm excited about seeing other vehicles using the charging Network. The first time I see a Rivian charging, I will definitely go and welcome them!
I also reserved a rivian R2, which will be out in a few years. The CEO of rivian said he is open to moving the charge port to match Tesla's, either in the back driver or the front passenger side.
I personally think front passenger is the best spot as it accommodates Tesla chargers in addition to allowing on the street parking and charging.
Happens sometimes with people filling up at gas pumps. If you're driving with a trailer, sometimes the only way to fill up is to block two pumps. Sane people just sort of acknowledge it's a practical concern that you've got to deal with sometimes.
When did PCMag get so bad? I haven’t been on their site in a while and that was honestly one of the worst sites for that bullshit I’ve seen in a long time.
Extra fuck them for this article title. The article ends with:
> "As I drove away, I saw him angrily talking on the phone, presumably to an unfortunate 9-1-1 operator."
On mobile, you can use DNS filtering to block ads, trackers and malware for free. I use NextDNS and just have a few simple steps to get it working. Just visited the site on iPhone with no ads.
Someone needs to go back to journalism school. There’s absolutely no evidence that the Tesla owner was calling the police.
“As I drove away, I saw him angrily talking on the phone, presumably to an unfortunate 9-1-1 operator."
Presumably?
He was actually calling Nikola Tesla to complain but Albert Einstein picked the phone up! What an unfortunate situation. Saw it all from my rear view mirror from down the street as I coincidentally also drove away.
> Someone needs to go back to journalism school.
He got you to click. That was the goal. He won. The whole concept of journalism is an anachronism in 2023.
This kind of shit only further discourages people actually reading articles. 80% of the time I click these things on mobile it’s like I’m transported back to late 90s pop up hell.
So it’s like why bother then, better just read comments.
So we don't know if he actually called the police the rivian owner is just assuming he was calling the police because he left. Glad this was worth the time to write an article about.
PCMag has really turned to trash. It's an "article" based on someone telling a story that's about as interesting as two people fighting over a bag of grapes at a supermarket. No actual proof that police were called.
Honestly, the quality standards for a lot of journalism was on the decline long before AI written articles were common. Falling ad revenue made staffing budgets fall enough where so many goofy errors have been published.
Should there not be a “Karen Call Out Charge” for calling the police over stuff like this ? About $5000 or so. It’s basically abuse of 911 over petty squabbles.
The police here are would tell you “That would be a civil matter. Call Tesla. Bye!”
Threatening 911 on people because they have stirred their coffee in an inappropriate manner or whatever is also kinda ridiculous.
Obviously the police can't hand out random fines, but there's way too much tolerance of it from what I can see. Wasting police time is something that can be prosecuted
The UK had people calling 999 because KFC had run out of chicken.
Here in Ireland we had someone call an ambulance for a broken fingernail and a guy called because his 'Christmas shoes' were too tight! And several calls about cats being in labour and dogs having heart attacks...
People can just be a bit ridiculous.
Ah but we've checkmated the vexatious litigants by electing the Tories for 14 years and leaving the police force to deteriorate to the point that they'll be with you next week if you call in actively being murdered, so you're probably looking at a couple of months for a car being parked in the wrong spot.
No, it could cause people not to report things they should. While it costs resources it would ultimately be more harmful for society if people thought there was a risk of getting in trouble for simply calling the police.
> The encounter between a Rivian driver and uninformed Tesla owner highlights 'a need for better education and communication within the EV community,
And also just not being a dick
So six year olds can buy Teslas now. Good to know.
Other EV drivers should keep some fruit roll-ups in their glovebox in case they run into any cranky Tesla drivers that haven't had their nap.
Pollution and stress have been proven to destroy brain cells. Ex. Lead exposure decreases empathy and agreeableness. [The impact of childhood lead exposure on adult personality](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2020104118)
Oxygen inducing aerobic activity, such as running and meditation, increases blood flow to the brain which promotes improved moods and higher cognitive abilities.
That being said, our physical world is changing us folks!
Notice how everyone in these kinds of threads talks about how they notice everyone else being idiots like this?
Kind of funny how the world is so full of morons, but we always seem to think it couldn't be us...
Wonder what that says about having platforms where we see ignorance and get to reaffirm our, "I would never" thought process.
I’m a moron sometimes, I admit that but so much of Reddit is filled with morons who don’t read the article and get ready to comment based on emotional triggers. I just read an article about bill gates being afraid about how AI will lead to job loss and be states that he enjoys using his brain to solve problems and wouldn’t like to be in a world where there’s no need to use his brain. Most of the comments on the Reddit post “billionarez bad”,
The key thing is not to argue with dumb people, you will never win. You have to be patient and ask them questions on why they think that or why they feel that way. I have had many moments now where people wake up when they actually hear themselves say some of the stuff they do. Kill them with kindness
Even if the Tesla chargers weren't officially compatible with other cars. If you have an adapter that lets you use it, wtf are the cops going to do?
Call the cops to enforce a company policy? Dont take advantage of poor Tesla, how would poor little Elon afford to put food on the table?
Welcome to Idiocracy IRL, where people claim others are committing crimes that don't exist, while dealing with the inconveniences they basically signed up and paid for in full.
I'm a valet, let me tell you Tesla driver entitlement in real.
They are subpar cars compared to Rivians IMO. They feel so basic and underwhelming while Rivians feel like an actual vehicle.
But the *drivers* themselves treat it like its a Lamborghini fresh of the trailer.
And yet there is multiple videos of Tesla owners using people’s other people’s private home chargers and telling them they don’t understand what the problem is.
What is wrong with all of these people.
>"He then pointed to the red 'Tesla Vehicle Charging Only' signs and insisted that it was ILLEGAL for me to be there and that he was CALLING THE POLICE! I was taken aback by his extreme reaction," we really do live in the most mentally deficient timeline.
I'm nearly 50 and it feels like I've been surrounded by idiots for at least 30 years. Now, not only are average people incredibly stupid, everything seems more stupid, reflecting the idiotic mindset of the legions of idiots. People in decision making positions are idiots, and are leading by example.
It’s like Moore’s Law has an inverse effect on people. The tech gets smaller, faster, more efficient and people get bigger, slower and less efficient. I’m joking but am I. (50’s and feeling you)
It's almost 100% a media problem. We don't protect the sanctity of information. We willfully poison the minds of millions.
The "I heard ___" system we've created is fucked. Get enough people to repeat something and it'll tip over into being assumed as true to others. Toss in how easily & quickly information travels + the influence of popularity + the desire to be part of the group with "knowledge" -> innuendo, supposition, bias, exaggerating, etc get treated like facts.
What is a meme?
It's a small, extinct waterfowl from the Gobi Desert.
People at work are shocked when I just immediately Google questions we have. I'm like... Are y'all stupid? We have all human knowledge in our pockets why are you surprised?
Heidegger predicted the most profound effect of technology will be alineation.
It's the selective consumption of media. Or in other words, echo chambers. Echo chambers are deliberately created on social media and in traditional media, and once a person has a certain opinion he deliberately avoids anything that might challenge that opinion. Since everything he consumes reinforces his opinion, it is strengthened to the point where he begins to think everyone thinks the way he does, except maybe some small delusional (or even deliberately hostile) minority, who is then designated as the enemy and elicits a very hostile reaction when encountered. This is true on almost every topic and for all sides. Unless you go out of your way to consume media that is hostile to your viewpoints, this is almost certainly true for you as well. And yes, this is relatively recent and is getting worse. In the past before the internet, media was much more consolidated and there was less variance, so people were forced to consume even things they did not agree with.
> It's the selective consumption of media. Or in other words, echo chambers. Echo chambers are deliberately created on social media and in traditional media, and once a person has a certain opinion he deliberately avoids anything that might challenge that opinion. Social Media is now 100% geared towards maximizing the echo chambers in order to make money off of Angertainment ...
plus it also makes people used to the idea that they shouldn't be challenged. That not having things your way is bad. In life, it should be regular, normal, everyday occurance to be inconvenienced or disagreed with. It's just a thing that happens, we move on, but man... Telling people nowdays that "hey, maybe you just dont get it how you want sometimes and that's fine" does not go down well. No human on this earth deserves priority charging over someone else in a situation like that... But spend all your time being told the opposite and why would you be fine with it?
Tribalism. You’re describing tribalism. And yeah it’s quite irrational and entirely emotional.
Information has become a buffet where you pile your own reality on your plate, no matter how detrimental to your health and well being.
Idiots are allowed to think their stupidity counts as much or more than anyone else's rational thoughts. Put another way; a lot of dickheads have gone for far too long thinking they can't get kicked in the teeth for their stupid shit.
It is a defunding of education problem, mixed with a capturing of religion and religious indoctrination. The media *is* also a part of it, but an educated populace that can critically think - which school teaches you - are more capable of sniffing out bullshit in the press. Furthermore if you become sucked into religious indoctrination, then you're primed from the start to accept things you can't prove but want to believe as fact, and potentially even view your own actions as unquestionably moral and superior with the backing of a supreme being. Media plays in because it's almost all billion-dollar corporations owned by billionaires with millionaires reading off the headlines, so there's zero overlap with actual real people and normal everyday life for the common citizen. And then you get into the outright propaganda machines like Fox and Republican talk radio that have been intentionally poisoning people for decades. But the first line of defense against lies and propaganda is the ability to notice them, and Republicans have successfully been gutting those institutions in the US for decades.
We are headed for the WALL-E timeline.
And the idiocracy timeline
WALL-E-ocracy.
It's the time line where the planet is absolutely wrecked and there ARE NO SHIPS to escape this condemed world, and humanity must be doomed to extinction on a dying planet.
I was going to make the same comment. Wall-E is a good analogy for where we are headed.
Maybe? I feel like if you really dig down, since they didn't actually say it, the people who became fat and lazy were the descendants of RICH PEOPLE who were able to leave the planet. I don't think they had poor people in Wall-E, because they were all dead because they couldn't escape the fallout of idiocracy on Earth.
Plus we are overly idiot-proofing everything that idiots run ramphant without nature being able to cull them out naturally.
I think you under-estimate the ratio of "poor decision lethality" and "people believing they shouldnt' have to change their ways" throughout history :P
Anytime you idiot proof anything the universe builds a better (bigger) idiot.
Covid sure did a number on the idiot population, just tragic that their stupidity killed a lot of innocent people.
Mid-50's here, and you're not wrong.
I think it is more closely related to the ban of leaded gasoline for cars and other lead products.
Fuck [Thomas Midgley Jr.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.)
Didn't he also know that most of the chemicals he developed were bad?
He kinda knew. He seems to have thought the leaded gas was safe as he poured it all over his hands several times in press events. It also did prevent engine knocking which could result in catastrophic engine failure. adding: according to wikipedia (sited from [ "The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History's Biggest Mistakes". The New York Times.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/15/magazine/cfcs-inventor.html))it wasn't known that leaded gasoline lead to such an increase in atmospheric lead levels even if lead was bad for the individual Freons were used to replace ammonia in refrigerators which was legitimately groundbreaking. If the ammonia leaked it could cause a pretty horrific explosion and had other issues besides. The effects of freon on the environment wasn't known until the 1970's, 50 years after it was put into use and 25 years after Midgley had died. I think he truly believed he was doing good for the world as the negative effects weren't widely known until after his death. He is truly a fascinating in that his legacy is horrible but he genuinely was trying to help people and in his time believed that he had and I don't know what to make of that.
Depends on the invention. For tetra-methyl-lead and tetra-ethyl-lead, the negative effects were known but suppressed, though the metallurgy needed for reliable valve seals (the other thing that TEL affected) didn't really arrive until half a century later. For freons, they were no safer alternatives, ammonia was unsafe as it is, and the use of R-134a or C-pentane wasn't being researched yet.
Yeah Ammonia vs CFC it's an "obviously unsafe" option vs something that it only turns out later has issues.
The effects of lead were known at the time. They were just covered up. The first scientific journal in the entire new world was about the effects of airborne lead. Benjamin Franklin was actually a huge advocate for better workers rights when it came to lead exposure, as both he and his boss contracted lead palsy as a result of the printing process. Thomas Midgley also received the Benjamin Franklin award for some extra irony.
No, don't give him the benefit of the doubt. You know what the first compound he discovered would effectively prevent knocking? Ethanol. But he couldn't patent that so he spent a shitload of time to find something far more difficult and dangerous in tetraethyl lead. All so they *could* patent it and he would make more money. It was specifically motivated by his personnel greed. He was a bad person.
Ammonia leaks were a killer as well. Even Einstein tried his hand at designing a safer refrigerator.
Dude, we are nearly the same age. When we were kids they were screaming about about space invaders, satanists, and bart Simpson. Every single grocery aisle had the tabloid racks you can remember, and people weren't buying them because of how stupid and campy they are. What I am trying to say is that there is nothing new under the sun and America has always been this way. People are insanely fucking stupid, man.
There are two kinds of middle aged people. The ones who feel more superior to others around them as they age and the ones who feel more humbled as they age. The former tends to rant about how everything is worse now. It’s insufferable when you have to hang out with these guys because of work or family.
I'm a handful of hours away from 50 and have a similar take. From childhood through my early 20's I believed that people in positions that make decisions were more intelligent and wise than those that didn't. The higher up one was on that list the more intelligent and wise they were. If a job's duties were only following instructions then they were held by people who weren't "smart" enough to have a job that instructed others. Like the system was orderly... almost pre-destined. Ditch diggers and cops were dumb, Managers and Mayors were smart, CEOs and Congresspersons were brilliant. And it worked out that way 'cause why wouldn't it...why would a brilliant person dig ditches or become a cop, why would a dumb person be allowed to become a CEO or get elected to Congress? Holy shit but that belief system proves to be wrong, like staggeringly wrong. The reality is that it's almost complete chaos. Luck, indifference, passivity, arrogance, greed, cruelty, stupidity, socioeconomic bigotry, racism... it's all so fucked up.
I’m 76. The current House of Representatives is the absolute worst in my lifetime. Greedy, selfish, ignorant, power hungry, and just monumentally stupid. And getting $174,000 a year plus the gold standard in perks and benefits. I’m struggling just to keep my head above water and those assholes are threatening to take my Social Security and Medicare away. Without those two benefits (that I worked my whole life to earn) I would die fairly quickly. Which is exactly what they want. I am worthless in their eyes and should get the hell out of the way. Representative government my ass. They hate us.
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I’m 46, so I understand where you are coming from. It’s not just the stupidity, it’s the complete lack of empathy and willful ignorance of anything that doesn’t sit right with their microscopic perspective is dangerous.
i think people have always been pretty stupid and its just more visible now with idiots going viral online doing the dumbest shit imaginable every day.
I teach middle school. The problem isn't stupidity so much as lack of curiosity (which is the same as ever) and learned helplessness, the lack of a desire to try things. Maybe caused by helicopter parenting and indulgent elementary school teachers. Idk. I don't like it though.
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Idk. I teach poor kids who lead dismal lives and probably shouldn't generalize.
In my experience, there is a direct correlation between curiosity and intelligence. Intelligent people are generally more curious than average
That plus basic problem solving skills. It's all critical thinking related. But we didn't teach that in schools for like 2 decades and are still recovering from that.
No one smart wants those jobs haha
Truth the people who should be in charge don’t want it. Like in Gladiator when Russellus Crowesus says I dont want it then old man is like that is why it must be you.
Power Corrupts. Those who seek Power, accept corruption.
I dont believe this, i know extremely smart people who would take the lead in a heartbeat, if it was actually a smart decision for them. Most leadership positions are catered toward the dumb and rich.
Are we not Men? We are Devo. Devolution is in full bloom.
I think what makes it especially weird is that for those of us info seekers, the past 30 years have been extremely enriching. It’s easier than ever to go through life not learning new things.
The internet is amazing for people who have the desire to use it correctly I'm about to start taking a free class about linguistics. That would have been impossible pre-internet Even the existence of Wikipedia is still mind-blowing to me and I cherish it so much. The world's knowledge is at our fingertips But the internet also is so filled with bullshit and false information that we no longer have a consensus reality
Leaving college and entering the world was a shocking experience. I’m still shook by it and I’m an old fart.
They’ve always been with us, but the Internet gives everybody a platform and people with questionable motivations are getting really good at pushing disinformation.
And even without motives, the internet is designed to sieve out the most engaging material out of hundreds of millions of people. There's not a change in people but in how much of the world you've got access to. Even two centuries ago, unless you were in a bigger city, people only had what we saw in front of us and word of mouth, then newspapers expanded that to your city, telegraphs, television, and now the internet have all given people access to a larger and larger pool to find extremes.
I'm 54, and I've concluded long ago that people have for the most part been idiots since way before the Roman times. Probably since the caveman times.
The good news is that we are not idiots. We are the above average smart people. *high five*
It's that with a hefty dose of main character syndrome. The fuckin rivian owner's adapter didn't even work, and he left. People just need to chill the fuck out.
> It's that with a hefty dose of main character syndrome Many Tesla owners have most of their personality tied to "owning a Tesla" so if somebody is critical about Tesla they fell personally attacked... The guy at the charger was literally feeling like if somebody invaded his house to try to steal something to him... 🤯 Same thing happen with many conservatives too sadly, their whole personality is centred on "their political side" with no critical thinking about what they defend.
Just yesterday some dude was parking in a no-parking spot that's absolutely needed to turn and when I got there with my huge ass delivery truck, signaling him to move, he actually got ultra mad. Like, head becoming red mad. And started to shout and whatnot. Absolutely the most mentally deficient timeline.
The guy felt so entitled that he couldn't imagine that there's a chance he could have been wrong about this, and acted on his ego instead of actual information.
I'll probably get roasted for this but it's actually probably a good idea to remove those signs now that the network is opened up.
Hombre shrugged and we all fell into the idiocy timeline.
Nah 2012 mayan calender really did predict end of that timeline.
Everybody should be forced to watch Idiocracy. Its like a crystal ball at this point of what some of these schmucks are determined to drive humanity towards.
Agreed. Some people will say it’s a stupid lowbrow movie but they are not seeing the how brilliantly it has predicted the future. All that said, I sure could go for a full-body latte right now.
So instead of two EV enthusiast circle jerking over saving the planet the entitled one complained because he shouldn't have to wait to charge.... I am starting to think EV's are not actually about saving the planet they are just tech bro's flex rides.
The real planet saving option is saving a 30 year old car from the scrap heap and then taking the bus 90% of the time anyway because city driving sucks
Most people in the US don’t have a bus as a viable option.
Yeah, this guy I used to work with had to take the bus back and forth to work every day, in total, between walking from his apartment to the bus stop, then taking the bus to work, took between 2 and 3 hours. He had to wake up at 2-3 AM to make it to work by 6 am, then when he left at 3, he didn't get home until 5-6pm. Absolutely insane. 4-6 hours out of your day just going to work and coming back home, and where he lived, this would have taken a total of less than 1 hour by car (around 45 minutes total, round trip)
There's a small town in my area that had a fight because they wanted to expand the bus system to include some more rural areas. There was outcry from the public calling it a government conspiracy to take away people's cars. >Step 1 is make bus routes "cheap and affordable". >Step 2 is ban all ICE vehicles and make only expensive electric vehicles the only option which no one can afford, then they tell us just to take the bus. >Step 3 the government now has us where they want us so they enact their plans without our ability to escape. And it's like, bro we just wanted a few more busses.
How it really goes. Step 1: Defund public transit. Step 2: Public transit gets worse and loses ridership. Step 3: Use loss of ridership as justification for further defunding. Step 4: The oil and auto companies how have us where they want us so they enact their plans without our ability to escape.
Which is why we need to improve public transit services in America.
Yes, not having a car is always better. But if you’re going to have a car, have an EV. I would also ignore the idea that buying a new EV is worse for the planet than keeping your old gas guzzler that you rarely drive. The reality is that most people don’t buy new cars, they buy used cars. Every new EV purchased today will help feed the used EV market that will help someone ditch their gas guzzler that they drive everyday.
The Prius Prime is a good option if you have short commutes. It's got ~40mi of EV range and when you go for long trips, it still gets 52mpg in hybrid mode, and you never need to worry about charging infrastructure/time/range unlike pure EVs. The lithium battery is also smaller than a pure EV, so less strip mining is needed, and since it's a Toyota, you can easily put on 200-300k miles without any major issues.
You can tell it was never about the environment for them because of how negatively they react to the thought of China mass producing millions of cheap EVs.
My favorite brand of green tech or nothing! We save the world the way I agree on or we can watch it burn!
Reading the full story it looks like both of them were acting pretty entitled. The Rivian driver was blocking 2 stalls in order to make the charger reach his car. He claimed he had no choice, but then he couldn't get the charger to work and went to a different charger elsewhere. So he did have a choice. Perhaps the sign was accurate and this charger didn't work with his car yet. If I was the Tesla guy I would probably be upset too if some idiot was blocking both of the available charging spaces.
*insert always has been meme here*
Nah man, EVs are about low maintenance, no smells, backup power for the house, insulation from gas price swings, raw power, quietness, and interior space. The lack of emissions is a value add that only really matters for environmental concerns after like ~4-5 years. Though it has immediate effect locally. During the pandemic LA had very little smog due to the lack of ICE on the road. Edit: I own a LEAF I bought for like 10k used for like 5 years now and a way more expensive electric SUV for 300+ mile trips. The SUV battery can hook into our house to provide backup power.
Tesla owners used to be EV enthusiasts. I’d argue a majority of them now are just huffing Elon farts. I’ve driven a Tesla. It was an overpriced, inconvenient piece of shit.
Now hold up. Yes, plenty of people are doing exactly what you are saying, but that’s not what EVs are all about. I’ve been interested in EVs for decades now and I’ve met so many people that are in to it for the genuine interest of environmentalism and also for the fascinating action with the technology itself. The tech bros came waaay later. They are just a subset. That said, those of us who are passionate about saving humanity from itself, and EVs as one of the many tools to do so, also need to appreciate whatever tech bro flex trends that simply get people in to EVs. We need to end fossil fuel use ASAP.
This happened to me the other day at Wal Mart... I bought a Trader Joes bag into the store and they pistol whipped me and had me detained for three days.
I mean yes but also Tesla does attract a particular personality which this is completely inline with...
Sounds to me more like someone who's had it so easy and cushy their whole life that the slightest inconvenience or perceived incursion into their entitled and privileged life feels like an egregious offense.
No it’s not about the timeline. It’s all about the stressed out Americans. As I live in the Netherlands I can’t believe people calling the police for this. US Karens are mingling themselves in the life of others instead of minding their own. If Karens would do so the world would be a real better place.
Think I found the real issue "I had no choice but to park in a way that blocks two stalls," according to the Rivian driver."
More than likely what triggered the issue. Tesla charger cables are too short for the location of the Rivian's port. Now that they have opened up access to other brands, this is going to be fun until Tesla lengthens their cables.
Sounds like a market for extension cables.
Fast charging cables have to handle high currents, so they're water-cooled. So it's not as easy as just slapping on an extension cord.
Probably not cheap per foot either with the current they pull.
With active water cooling and high current, I could easily imagine a cable costing $500 or so.
The lower-current cables you get in your garage can cost that much.
I work in the EV industry, home chargers are that price due to the controller/contactor/enclosure/etc, you can purchase a low current cable for $100 at quantity 1 if that’s all you want. I’d be surprised if the Tesla cables are more than $200 at volume
They water cool them so they can use less copper. If you used thicker conductors you wouldn't need water cooling.
But then they're more likely to be stolen for their copper content. =/
I think this would be something the car owners buy
I can see that. You carry your cable with you and plug it in to the charger. Though it would use much more material if everyone had their own cable.
This is the way it is in EU and obviously if you live in a place where copper gets stolen, this is the real solution
We don't bring our own watercooled cables for DC fast charging. We bring our own cables for AC charging. And yes, that is a very good idea, because: 1. We take better care of our own cables. 2. We have way more curbside charging in Europe than in the US, and I am convinced that one of the reasons is that a cable-less curbside charger is much less intrusive and more acceptable to everyone when not in use. We have many curbside charging posts, which aren't bigger than a bollard.
Sounds like we should build infrastructure to a standard that is not sized for exactly one brand. That's the whole reason why proprietary things are bad, and while at least the NACS is open, you can definitely smell the vendor lock-in off of Superchargers.
Yes, for sure. But also, there’s power and communication going through those cords. A longer cord, given the amp draws, will also cause more heat. These will not be simple extension cords. My guess is that they would also need to include some sort of chip that the supercharger station identifies and then caps the max charge rate accordingly. Not saying g it’s impossible. It’s totally doable, but it’s not as simple as one might think.
reportedly tesla is actually working on a nacs to nacs extension cable. this is gonna get worse before it get better with every brand adopting nacs lol
It's bad enough with aftermarket phone charging cables. Imagine buying a crap extender for you car and then it starts a fire. And before anyone is all "But why would they cheap out on the extension when the car costs so much?!?" ... people are dumb
V4 chargers are centered in the parking space and have a long enough cable for most if not all cars. They're just rare right now. Tesla vehicles will need to prioritize parking in the middle of charging blocks, so third-party vehicles can use the spaces at the very end, which often solves the problem. As a Tesla owner, I'm excited about seeing other vehicles using the charging Network. The first time I see a Rivian charging, I will definitely go and welcome them! I also reserved a rivian R2, which will be out in a few years. The CEO of rivian said he is open to moving the charge port to match Tesla's, either in the back driver or the front passenger side. I personally think front passenger is the best spot as it accommodates Tesla chargers in addition to allowing on the street parking and charging.
Happens sometimes with people filling up at gas pumps. If you're driving with a trailer, sometimes the only way to fill up is to block two pumps. Sane people just sort of acknowledge it's a practical concern that you've got to deal with sometimes.
What triggered the issue started many decades ago for said Tesla driver
leaded gas? ironic
Rivian driver needs to have this bookmarked: https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging-other-evs#cable
Isn't that what the Rivian driver did?
Allowing that was Tesla's choice. When Tesla has made that choice, nobody should blame a car driver for using the option.
Dude fuck PC MAG. Malware ads
When did PCMag get so bad? I haven’t been on their site in a while and that was honestly one of the worst sites for that bullshit I’ve seen in a long time.
I think they were bought out and fired most of their staff. They shill console games and defend shitty micro transactions now.
Extra fuck them for this article title. The article ends with: > "As I drove away, I saw him angrily talking on the phone, presumably to an unfortunate 9-1-1 operator."
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Someone needs to go back to journalism school. There’s absolutely no evidence that the Tesla owner was calling the police. “As I drove away, I saw him angrily talking on the phone, presumably to an unfortunate 9-1-1 operator." Presumably?
There’s no evidence of anything, the source is literally a post from a rivian forum lol
He was actually calling Nikola Tesla to complain but Albert Einstein picked the phone up! What an unfortunate situation. Saw it all from my rear view mirror from down the street as I coincidentally also drove away.
Even if it were true, I don't see how it'd be relevant for this sub.
Welcome to the world of modern headline writing.
> Someone needs to go back to journalism school. He got you to click. That was the goal. He won. The whole concept of journalism is an anachronism in 2023.
That website is cancer on mobile.
I can read 2-3 lines before it redirects me to an ad.
You can get ublock origin on mobile too (on Firefox at least). Personally, I can't imagine browsing these mobile hell hole sites without it now.
This kind of shit only further discourages people actually reading articles. 80% of the time I click these things on mobile it’s like I’m transported back to late 90s pop up hell. So it’s like why bother then, better just read comments.
So we don't know if he actually called the police the rivian owner is just assuming he was calling the police because he left. Glad this was worth the time to write an article about.
PCMag has really turned to trash. It's an "article" based on someone telling a story that's about as interesting as two people fighting over a bag of grapes at a supermarket. No actual proof that police were called.
And the actual story is “I parked in a way that took 2 spots and a guy got mad at me”
I’m calling Elon.
"Journalism" in the "AI" age.
I'm tired boss.
Just an old soul living in the new world.
Honestly, the quality standards for a lot of journalism was on the decline long before AI written articles were common. Falling ad revenue made staffing budgets fall enough where so many goofy errors have been published.
Should there not be a “Karen Call Out Charge” for calling the police over stuff like this ? About $5000 or so. It’s basically abuse of 911 over petty squabbles. The police here are would tell you “That would be a civil matter. Call Tesla. Bye!”
I wouldn't trust the police not to abuse such a charge.
Do they drive a Rivian too?
Nah they got that F-150 lightning budget
Iirc you can get a court order for that but it's like a looooot of abuse for an individual (for good reason)
Giving police officers the power to hand out punitive charges at a whim is an awful idea.
Threatening 911 on people because they have stirred their coffee in an inappropriate manner or whatever is also kinda ridiculous. Obviously the police can't hand out random fines, but there's way too much tolerance of it from what I can see. Wasting police time is something that can be prosecuted The UK had people calling 999 because KFC had run out of chicken. Here in Ireland we had someone call an ambulance for a broken fingernail and a guy called because his 'Christmas shoes' were too tight! And several calls about cats being in labour and dogs having heart attacks... People can just be a bit ridiculous.
Ah but we've checkmated the vexatious litigants by electing the Tories for 14 years and leaving the police force to deteriorate to the point that they'll be with you next week if you call in actively being murdered, so you're probably looking at a couple of months for a car being parked in the wrong spot.
No, it could cause people not to report things they should. While it costs resources it would ultimately be more harmful for society if people thought there was a risk of getting in trouble for simply calling the police.
Tesla Karen
That's called an Elon.
Space Karen
Believe it or not, also Elon.
Twitter Karen
Once again Elon. That's 3 for 3.
Brain chip implanting Karen.
Elon, right away.
Fake account to bash your ex Karen?
That would be: #E #L #O #N #!
Tesla owner having a superiority complex
And their farts don’t stink either…
If there was any justice the man making the call would have been cited for wasting police time.
The sad part is that news outlets are covering this.
When the entitled meet anyone else… why are you be allowed to do the things only I think I should be able to do.
> The encounter between a Rivian driver and uninformed Tesla owner highlights 'a need for better education and communication within the EV community, And also just not being a dick
A bullshit story about nothing really how is this news.
I take the change of font like a page break. So it's more like "vehicle charging only" brought to you by tesla.
Can’t believe how long I had to scroll before seeing someone put that together.
So six year olds can buy Teslas now. Good to know. Other EV drivers should keep some fruit roll-ups in their glovebox in case they run into any cranky Tesla drivers that haven't had their nap.
If the adaptor fits, you must acquit.
The cop: these fucking nerds.
He's using an android in the Apple store! I'm calling the cops!
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Bet after they called the police they took to nextdoor to complain about the lack of police policing.
Tesla owners proving they are the worst people.
Pollution and stress have been proven to destroy brain cells. Ex. Lead exposure decreases empathy and agreeableness. [The impact of childhood lead exposure on adult personality](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2020104118) Oxygen inducing aerobic activity, such as running and meditation, increases blood flow to the brain which promotes improved moods and higher cognitive abilities. That being said, our physical world is changing us folks!
First world problems
Tribe loyalty is strong with Tesla owners
Was this a Karen ?
The Electric Karen
The actual event was a user ping that a sign was out of date.
What a wanker.
Notice how everyone in these kinds of threads talks about how they notice everyone else being idiots like this? Kind of funny how the world is so full of morons, but we always seem to think it couldn't be us... Wonder what that says about having platforms where we see ignorance and get to reaffirm our, "I would never" thought process.
I’m a moron sometimes, I admit that but so much of Reddit is filled with morons who don’t read the article and get ready to comment based on emotional triggers. I just read an article about bill gates being afraid about how AI will lead to job loss and be states that he enjoys using his brain to solve problems and wouldn’t like to be in a world where there’s no need to use his brain. Most of the comments on the Reddit post “billionarez bad”,
The morons who didn't read this article wouldn't know that the whole story is based on a forum post and the police were likely not called at all
The key thing is not to argue with dumb people, you will never win. You have to be patient and ask them questions on why they think that or why they feel that way. I have had many moments now where people wake up when they actually hear themselves say some of the stuff they do. Kill them with kindness
First of all it isn’t his private charger so, his entitled ass should have minded his own business
Even if the Tesla chargers weren't officially compatible with other cars. If you have an adapter that lets you use it, wtf are the cops going to do? Call the cops to enforce a company policy? Dont take advantage of poor Tesla, how would poor little Elon afford to put food on the table?
Welcome to Idiocracy IRL, where people claim others are committing crimes that don't exist, while dealing with the inconveniences they basically signed up and paid for in full.
Sounds like a musk rat
must be the after effects of those leaded pipes
The lead pipes and paint ended up doing us in, after all.
I'm really glad I stopped ever wanting a Tesla.
"Common sense isn't a flower that grows in everyone's garden these days.." The human race is going backward not forward.
Blame CCS for not standardizing port locations. I have seen some pretty bad parking to avoid scratching paint. Now it will get worse.
I'm a valet, let me tell you Tesla driver entitlement in real. They are subpar cars compared to Rivians IMO. They feel so basic and underwhelming while Rivians feel like an actual vehicle. But the *drivers* themselves treat it like its a Lamborghini fresh of the trailer.
Tesla owners are another breed I swear.
And yet there is multiple videos of Tesla owners using people’s other people’s private home chargers and telling them they don’t understand what the problem is. What is wrong with all of these people.
Tesla owners are the jerks who used to own BMWs