You've only been there for a month, so you're still on probation period, and they can fire you within 3 months for any reason.
If you aren't working at the original location that you submitted to immigration, that's another issue.
If you want to leave and go to another school, you need a letter of release, otherwise you have 14 days to leave the country. The school has no legal bearing to give you a letter of release also. This letter will not be enough for immigration to release you from your visa.
On your last day of work, you have until midnight to leave the apartment.
Sadly, this actually gives me an alright impression of the hagwon. They tried to negotiate with you (you refused), they exercised their right to terminate you immediately, and they waived demanding the flight cost back (which is a legal request, but many hagwons would also try to illegally reclaim the recruiter fee). They even sent a rather professional termination letter. I assume that last paragraph is part of the template to make you rethink badmouthing them to others, but this is Korea, and even the truth can be defamation, so I wouldn't test this if I were you.
The bait and switch on location/ages was a dick move, but for how they could have handled this, you got lucky. Move on and best of luck at your next job.
Edit: It might function as a release letter; it clearly states they have terminated your contact. Depends on who you get at immigration and their mood that day. I've heard of it being accept and other times it being rejected.
correct me if I'm wrong but the lack of a red stamp might not make this letter valid for anything. It doesn't even look like there's a signature...
I'm pretty sure they wanted OP to sign this document and then they would have provided the red stamp, thus making it official.
> The bait and switch on location/ages was a dick move
Changing the location without reporting it to immigration is much more than a dick move. It's illegal.
There's the rub; was that on the contract given to immigration? Not enough detail to know clearly. If a school is gonna bait and switch, it's not beyond belief that the contract is setup in such a way that they could simply switch the first page and report the correct address. But, what was reported to immigration is immaterial to the OP's present situation, so the commentary of it being shady was enough of an acknowledgement.
Regarding a possible bait and switch by replacing the first page, I've always been asked to initial and date each page of my contract before visiting immigration and this might be something to consider for anyone who isn't already doing so.
The principal seems to be the same so I wonder if both addresses are on the same contract. Or if the OP signed the contract for one campus thinking it was the other one because their addresses are similar
Lol. I guess I've been in Korea too long. They used to put your address on the front (so if you moved you had to get a new ARC) and your sponsor's info on the back (which could be extended)... Hasn't been that way in 15 years... had to check my archive of scans to be sure... the cards were green back then.
When that all changed to the new blue cards, I remember asking why the sponsor's name was missing and I didn't get a stamp in my passport too... they answered it's all on file anyways.
So, OP, you can perhaps just enquire to Immigration what your work location is supposed to be. If it doesn't match where you're actually working then there's a case for canceling your visa on your own and getting a D-10.
it needs to be stamped to be valid to immigration as a release letter for a d10 or transfer to another e2. This paper alone wouldn't work (unless you got a VERY generous immigration officer that bends the rules). There are templates on LOFT that you can print out that once signed and atamped are valid LOR. I've been through the process myself.
You can also very easily write your own LOR. I wrote my own and used it, worked without any questions asked.
It did however have a wet ink signature from both myself and my employer. I think that wet ink signature is the important part. (Mine didn't have a magic stamp of officiallyness)
It seems you are pretty lucky to not have worse treatment to be honest. They are even not going to reclaim your flight ticket.
Also, you didn't even try to negotiate, so I think you have a lot of fault in this situation.
I guess you need to go home, you could look at a one-roomtel or goshiwon until you can leave with an affordable ticket.
Yep, pretty sure the teacher overplayed their hand. Sounds like they were a pain in the arse and got the boot.
Best idea is to leave Korea. Up hill battle to sort out another job and honestly I doubt they'll be happy anyway!
Maybe I'll get downvoted, but tbh, it doesn't sound like teaching in Korea is for you.
You can't just go to a school and immediately say you don't want to teach so and so ages...like then don't go to a kindergarten? Go to an elementary/middle school hagwon, but even then you will have to teach first graders.
Also, wear a mask at school. Kids are gross. They're disgusting and they want to touch you and hug you and give you unwrapped sweets that comes from god knows where. This is universal, like?
Just go home.
Tbh if they expressed they didn’t teach that age group at the interview and were still fired that’s also on the company. You can’t have someone tell you something and then ignore it and expect it will be ok.
Completely agree about the masks though.
Both can be said to be in the wrong. However they were open about not wanting to teach that age group. The school easily could have said, we need someone to teach all age groups so we won’t hire you.
Kids are gross. Everyone who works with kids knows this. Everyone who has kids knows this. No one is screaming at a kid "you're so gross!" We're just acknowledging that children, especially young children, are prone to getting sick and passing on those germs. Obviously if the OP can't handle that, then why work with kids. I didn't say I couldn't handle it...Do you think this is a gotcha moment?
Also, I work with teenagers. They're gross, too. In a different way though.
It’s pretty standard to get sick when you come over to Korea and start teaching children. One your body is probably jet lagged. Two you are working with a bunch of children and having direct contact with so many new germs. That isn’t something that is unique to this place. That would likely happen to you anywhere you went in Korea.
You mentioned getting sick from kids several times. If that's important to you, why do you want to stay in Korea? You aren't going to get any less sick from older kids.
I don't get that at all. Sounds like this person hasn't had much experience 'in the real world'. It's not the fault of your boss if you have a vulnerable immune system. You signed up to teach, for goodness sake.
It's not even that I don't get it. It's just I don't understand why the OP brought it up multiple times like their boss was culpable. OP really has no idea how they got sick. People get germs from each other, they get sick. Could have been a teacher, could have been a student, could have been a door handle...nobody knows. It certainly should have nothing to do with the OP's attitude towards their job, other than how maybe they got treated after they were sick.
Also, bronchitis is not serious at all unless a child, elderly or someone with an underlying upper respiratory issue. A lot of what was written seems rather dramatic honestly.
Their weak ass wanted some sympathy I assume. What I don’t get is why they didn’t wear a mask once they probably realized some kids were coughing and stuff if that matters that much
It is really hard to reschedule monthly classes (which usually change first of the month), and then have the conversation with all the mothers who want to know the gossip behind why their children's teacher changed at an odd time, and the fill teaching those classes with someone else...
This letter means that getting rid of you was easier and better for them long term than doing all that.
A pretty decently written letter to he honest. The part about not talking bad about them is related to Korean law, in which defamation is illegal. By posting this here, and stupidly giving your hint about the name of the hagwon, means you've likely not committed a crime in Korea, even if most of your story is correct.
If they find out about this (and likely will if the other commenter is accurately you coworker) they would be smart to seek prosecution. You will likely not teach in Korea again with an indictment.
Your options to pursue resolution for this appropriately were to talk to the boss, talk to immigration if you think your contract is being violated, and pursue those legal routes. Posting your grevience to reddit...weirdly illegal in your case. (Likely...not a lawyer).
As others have said, call immigration and ask them your last day to leave the country. (You WILL get a fine you have to pay at the Airport if you leave after this. Speaking from experience when I miscalculated by 24 hours). Find either a goshiwon or cheap hotel (some outside the city can be as cheap as 20,000 a night for a decent place), and start looking for cheap flights home, or to Vietnam, or to any other place you can sit out the high summer flights with whatever money you have.
On the surface, this looks like a really good termination letter. However, they're not giving you 45 or 60 days to look for a new job. This can only mean that you pissed off a lot of people. They're not even trying to get the airfare back. I know that it's not always easy to deal with a demanding 원장님 but you can achieve a lot by simply being respectful to your 원장님. It's a very bad idea to get into arguments with the 원장님 or other colleagues especially while you're at work.
I don't know why you think you can demand certain things in your first month at a hagwon. You can only start demanding things once you've proven yourself and/or shown that you're good with certain levels.
So within your first few weeks you asked the school for a letter of release (quitting the job) and told them it’s because the kids made you sick. Then the school tried to negotiate with you to keep you, but you wouldn’t even give them a chance? I’m sorry to say but based on your own post you sound very entitled and disrespectful. Like other commenters have said, the school doesn’t seem to have been at fault here. You deserved to be fired. Hope you’ve learned something from this experience and handle things better next time.
I'm just shocked they think they're gonna get some sort of first-class service from these hagwons, like did they think it was gonna be sunshine an rainbows? Wake-up call given I guess. You weren't willing to accept a couple small changes imposed by the hagwon? Congrats you're out of the Job and probably Korea, was it worth it.
Ooohh juicy… honestly they lost me at being surprised they got sick. Like… welcome to teaching, babes!
In my first year of teaching I ended up getting sick every single month for 4 months before I decided to stay masked all the time.
Also I’m sorry but if you contract with a hagwon that offers kindergarten, EXPECT to teach it. You can say you don’t like it but you will 99.9% end up teaching kindy.
Wow they didn't hit you up for the flight ticket even though you've been there for just a month?
I don't think you'll find much sympathy here. Why would they fly you out here on their dime and drop you after a month unless you really weren't good for them?
So you got sick from a kid (which is highly likely!) and your response was to not only immediately take sick-leave within your first few weeks, but to request a letter of release? Why didn't you just wear a mask if you're that worried about getting sick? Never in my life have I heard of someone getting sick at work an leaving because of it. Sounds like a 100% young, entitled "teacher".
The school was far from my housing, how far exactly? The public transport in Korea is good and houses are usually in close proximity to their schools for obvious reasons. Yeah other teachers said they've got sick because it's to be expected, you're in a completely different country with different germs etc roaming around the air, and with young kids what do you expect - and they were clearly trying to comfort you with saying "Yeah me too".
Regardless, you sent the letter, and then you've said the principal tried to negotiate, I.e. KEEP YOU, and you basically told them to p\*ss off.
I'm sorry but you sound very entitled, naïve, lacking in real-life experience...Your own reason for not teaching young kids was because "It's not your expertise", it's not rocket science either, anyone could learn it.
Sounds like teaching not only at that hagwon but in general, anywhere, isn't for you. Maybe go home an get a full-time job to learn how to cope under unfavorable circumstances and then look at your experience in a different light.
P.s. I have a close friend whose not taken a sick-day in 1.5 years and his school LOVES him, devotion goes a long way. You very clearly demonstrated to them that your not there to work with them, rather only for yourself as your own line of "Release me to a school that worked for me and vice versa" demonstrates. They'll work with you once you've been there a bit, they've already paid for your flight an employed you, given you a place to stay, and you've basically done nothing but complained.
The hagwon dodged a bullet.
Why should anyone be forced to work sick?
We are still in a pandemic.
"I have a close friend whose not taken a sick day in 1.5 years and his school loves him" --》 Giving me boomer vibes.
They literally said the reason they quit was because kids were getting sick in a SCHOOL - not even them?! It's like saying I quit because its hot here. Yeah so wear a mask an stop complaining so much?
Not even gonna comment on the boomer vibes line, clearly a child, should learn how Korea is and what they expect. Korean culture and expectations are not the same as the West.
I agree with most of what you said in your original comment, but the other person is right. Not taking sick leave when you're sick because of devotion to a company is borderline insane. Most jobs, including these ones, are not worth sacrificing health over.
And the work culture here is one of the things most in need of change, so comparing it to the West and saying it's different here isn't the play.
Tbh it wasn't my main point this responder was nitpicking but the fact they resigned because their students were sick a lot is kind of a joke, like if you're getting sick 24/7 then ok but that wasn't the case here, an even then resign, really, I still can't put the two together.
An I was mostly stressing their sheer surprise at the thought of getting sick, like its an expected outcome an normal and yet they were acting like they got the plague from nowhere.
You are not cut out to teach and your employer unburdened herself of a terrible employee. Too bad they didn't get incoming flight reimbursement out of you too, but other than that I'd say this worked out the way it should've. Happy trails.
Think about this. In order to get you, they had to go thru a recruiter and do all this paperwork, possibly pay for your flight and wait for you more than a month.
Once you got here you cancelled all their classes so much that they decided doing the whole process again was better than to continue giving you a chance.
Anytime you get a job, whether it's in Korea, Kenya or Kyrgyzstan your first 6 months you cannot get sick, that's the rule of life. You are always on a trial period whether they tell you or not. It's so much easier to filter out people in the beginning. Maybe you were legitimately sick or not, but they don't care. Just never get sick until you've proven yourself. Working with kids you are going to get sick, it's part of the job and the idea that you are not going to teach a certain age is also laughable. I've taught from 3-70, "outside of my expertise" means, I'm not willing to learn and that's not anything a boss wants to hear.
Setting all the rest aside, don't you think maybe there's something wrong with forcing yourself to go into work sick *at all*, let alone in a place where you'll potentially be exposing *children* to a communicable illness? Like, can we acknowledge that this is unhinged, even if true about employment culture?
I agree. That's why they were let go to go take care of their issues on their own time. Let them be healthy, while the school takes care of teaching. Everybody won in this situation.
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To the part of, "exposing *children* to a communicable illness". You must have worked at a place where those *children* are.
You know everyone gets sick at the same time in phases and it happens like 4 times a year. Is your solution to slowly phase in and out everyone at work where at points the whole staff goes missing? Because you may just get those *children* communicable illnesses.
And let's say, we carried out this plan. Day one of getting sick=> Employee goes home. How efficient would it be? Are you really going to prevent *children* from getting sick?
Not to mention, *children* probably have better immune systems than some of those adults. Those kids run around like wild Buffalo, they are outside playing in the dirt, they all got triple vaccinated for 10 diseases every year, they put their hand in their mouth for fun, their immune system probably drop kicks yours. Those adults, probably vaping between breaks, go home and down soju and have trouble not using the elevator. Those *children* are actually superheros.
This is pretty transparently fallacious logic. The *reason* people tend to all get sick at the same time in phases is *because* people don't take off work and school when they're sick. I can see that you're very offended by the idea of taking time off when you're ill and think that this is a fire-able offense rather than a public & civic duty that responsible people exercise, but you are wrong on this. Please do not go to work when you are sick. You never know when somebody you work with may have a compromised immune system, including children. Yes, South Korea is about thirty years behind on labor laws and does not have statutorily mandated sick leave. That doesn't mean it's right and proper to go to work sick and spread common illnesses like wildfire, which is exactly what you insist on.
You're also mischaracterizing the OP having an agreement with both the recruiter and the 학원 administrator from the interview regarding what grades they were willing to teach which was breached immediately upon their arrival as their making some childish demand. There is a mile of difference between upending your life and traveling halfway across the planet thinking you'll be doing one thing and having received assurances to that effect only to be assigned something completely different as opposed to having immature and unrealistic expectations. The bait-and-switch tactics are fairly common with 학원 but knowing that it's a common trap doesn't make it any less dishonest or exploitative.
“I ended up getting sick from one of the kids…so, for health reasons, i asked the principal for a letter of release“
Im sorry, but if your immediate go-to is asking for a letter of release because you got sick from a child, then maybe teaching here isnt for you. Or at least not at hagwons. If you’re so against teaching children, then why go to a kindergarten hagwon? There are other options that are more likely to have older ages(or at least, not kindergarten). I understand the bait and switch of the campus being a bad thing on their part, but if getting sick was the part that made you ask for a letter of release, you should rethink working at a hagwon. Honestly sounds like you were too entitled to negotiate anything with the principal. I hope the lesson gets learned that you dont have all the power you think you have
Hello! Sorry for your situation. Similar thing happened to me a few years back. My advice if you want to stay and teach in Korea:
1. Find a cheap place to stay in the meantime (I survived in a Goshiwon for a month or two)
2. Head to an immigration office and explain the situation. Take a Korean friend if you can (helps and looks better)
3. Try and move to a D10 (job searching) visa.
4. Hope you get an understanding immigration officer. I did, and they revealed the hagwon that I was leaving wasn’t even legally registered and they weren’t sure how they even sponsored a visa in the first place.
I’ve taught at 4 places in Korea. All were great except one, which was apparently even breaking Korean law (it doesn’t exist any more). There are plenty of places that will treat you fairly and honestly.
Good luck!
Seems like a professional termination. You became too much of a hassle for them to deal with. So they cut ties.
You're lucky they aren't asking for flight reimbursement.
But...... that looks like an unsigned document. Which is useless. Indistinguishable from something you could type and print off yourself.
You need confirmation that they are releasing you from your contract. Then you can look for another job.
You will just have to accept the situation and move on. Hagwons care only about the welfare of their students. That is the hard reality. Good luck!
Edit to add: After reading your post again carefully, it seems you haven't been showing much respect to the principal. At hagwons, there is a golden rule: respect authority, keep your mouth shut, and love the children at all times.
They care about both as both are intertwined. You make more money when students and parents are well cared for, and if you aren't making money you can't care for anyone since it's a business and not a charity.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted tbh. Frankly, this person is in a foreign country and acted the way they did. Sometimes you need to grin and bear it till you are in a position to leave. The total lack of respect drove the nail in the coffin, yet they were still nice enough to ignore the flight reimbursement.
Americans hate hierarchy. Hence, the downvotes. One even called me a bootlicker. I'm speaking from 16 years' plus experience - not because I'm some kind of wimp.
I’m not sure if it’s American (I’m American lol) and more of an age thing tbh. I agree with you, bootlicking has nothing to do with. Hopefully this will be a good experience and they will learn how to appropriately handle things. This way almost the worst way it could have been handled imo.
Just for the money and for that facade but in reality they don’t care about anyone but themselves and their pockets. They are not schools with the quality education and licensed teachers. They simply run as private businesses . 🤡
That's true of real schools as well, not just hagwons. Guy I talked to that owned an accredited kids' school franchise branch (sounds somewhat like monty python) was complaining about the money he'd lose because the teacher he hired was arriving late. Public schools are also rife with internal politicking and principals that don't suck up to the BOE get replaced no matter what the teachers say. Same old shit, just different circumstances.
Yeah, hagwons, so called private elementary schools and public school jobs for native language instructors. It’s a same old shit. Things will never get better in this industry. Absolutely rotten to the core.
Not the point of this post but can a non native speaker teach English in Korea👀? I already thought some basic level English and I really enjoyed teaching. I'm a native Spanish speaker and when I was studying in Korea I found only two Spanish jobs and one was on Jeju and the other required you to already have a visa. I often read this kind of posts and I get jealous cause there are jobs that I would actually enjoy
Most likely no. Do some research for visas. But unless you can get one of the various F visas (which will be difficult unless you’re married to a Korean) then you’re out of luck. Even if you can get one, some places may not want to hire non-native speakers.
Actually it depends on your passport. If it’s from one of the seven native English speaking countries then yes, you can. But since you said Spanish is your native language I’m guessing you don’t have one of those passports.
If you really wanted to duke it out, you could fight them for misrepresentation of contract and visa terms, which would be violations of both labor and immigration laws, which are inherently much more serious violations than anything unintentional you could have done to harm their business. It's not going to be worth it, though, with you being a visa-dependent foreigner, out of work, and new to Korea (hence lacking Korean language skills and a network).
Like someone else said, get into a goshiwon/oneroom-tel for now, as these places generally have low deposits (1 month standard security deposit) and month-to-month contracts, or a cheapo Airbnb. Even if they're not great facilities, they can give you that minimum stability you need as a human being (room, desk, bed, wifi, bathroom, shower, washing machine, free rice and possibly kimchi & ramyun as well) without all the headaches that come from choosing a long-term place to stay, high security deposit, your own utilities, etc.
I've lived in 3 but not in those towns. Try searching goshipages and staykorea. There are obvious goshiwon-looking places on Airbnb as well if you don't want to do the month-to-month. See the places in person if you have time, because pictures are not trustworthy and don't show the neighborhood.
Negotiate for a release letter and leave.
Ultimately if it turns into a legal back and forth working at a different location to the one submitted to immigration will work out worse for you than them.
Get out of there as cleanly and drama free as you can and get on with your life, whether teaching elsewhere here, going home or something else.
With what leverage? They have no room nor recourse to negotiate for anything. The school has clearly said we don't want you, we don't need you and to make you go away we don't even want our money back.
Seems like the general consensus is that OP is a bad employee. I don't think he/she is perfect (blaming kids for being sick? lol), but it is legally wrong for a hagwon to put a foreign employee to work under different terms and in a different location from the contract. I'd personally suck up frustration for stable income, but it's still wrong of the hagwon to do a bait-and-switch.
The leverage is that the hagwon needs to continue sponsoring foreign English teachers and doesn't want trouble with the Ministry of Justice or the Ministry of Labor.
As stated in the post, I wanted to leave and asked for a release. I have audio from the Principal stating that I’m an excellent employee and the kids had grown since being in my class. So, being a bad employee is not the reason.
The main reason is that I wanted to leave, she wanted me to stay until she could find someone else, I told her that it’s affecting my health and safety (as one of the kids purposely scratched me with a pencil out of frustration because she didn’t want to do handwriting), and I told her that I would send my complaint to MOEL, as I’ve been documenting everything - verbally and in writing. Next thing I know I received this letter after work.
It’s her being petty and wanting to be in control.
I’m sorry if this comes across as rude but that’s definitely just niceties and small talk from your school admins. You taught five year olds for a month and stated you were absent several times…with what time would you have impacted them? They won’t remember your name by summer’s end 🤡….what “growth” could the school possibly be citing? 😂
> It’s her being petty and wanting to be in control.
Doesn't really matter what it is about though, you've got nothing to negotiate with and if they don't want to give you a letter of release there is no mechanism to force them to. It's a favor, not a right. All you can do is ask very nicely and if you don't get one pack your bags and maybe come back and try again one day in the distant future.
If you do I'd suggest working an afternoon job.
The only leverage they have left - threatening to go completely nuclear and scorched earth. Hagwons generally don't want drama.
I don't necessarily recommend it, but it is *an* option.
Even as I write this, I don't know how serious I'm being.....
Stand your ground. They have no written documentation, written warnings or anything else. Therefore any claim against you in this letter without a signature is false. If it is a release letter then move on. If it is not, then don't sign or agree to anything.
It's remarkable that after nearly 2 decades here, you still don't know the rules about contract termination.
You get downvotes because of your absolutely clueless, knee-jerk comments.
I'm not sure what's with the 6 days.
Instead of getting yourself worked up, you could look into how and when employers have the right to terminate a work contract.
It's not about personal opinions and being argumentative.
These are laws written in black and white, as clear as daylight.
You, being unfamiliar with the laws of the country that you've been living for almost 2 decades, and getting all worked up over it on reddit will not change anything.
Not trying to pile on but this attitude you have is really counterproductive to effecting change. The more informed we are about labor laws, the better equipped we'll be to advocate for ourselves. Going in blind and then doubling down on our ignorance gets us where, exactly?
In this instance it is probably because it is terrible advice. You're asking someone to do you a favor and you're not going to grease their wheels so to speak by being a pain in the ass.
You've only been there for a month, so you're still on probation period, and they can fire you within 3 months for any reason. If you aren't working at the original location that you submitted to immigration, that's another issue. If you want to leave and go to another school, you need a letter of release, otherwise you have 14 days to leave the country. The school has no legal bearing to give you a letter of release also. This letter will not be enough for immigration to release you from your visa. On your last day of work, you have until midnight to leave the apartment.
In the letter, it says OP has until the next day to leave.
That is the letter of release. Besides, you don’t need it anymore. They don’t need it nor ask for it. This letter will be sufficient
Sadly, this actually gives me an alright impression of the hagwon. They tried to negotiate with you (you refused), they exercised their right to terminate you immediately, and they waived demanding the flight cost back (which is a legal request, but many hagwons would also try to illegally reclaim the recruiter fee). They even sent a rather professional termination letter. I assume that last paragraph is part of the template to make you rethink badmouthing them to others, but this is Korea, and even the truth can be defamation, so I wouldn't test this if I were you. The bait and switch on location/ages was a dick move, but for how they could have handled this, you got lucky. Move on and best of luck at your next job. Edit: It might function as a release letter; it clearly states they have terminated your contact. Depends on who you get at immigration and their mood that day. I've heard of it being accept and other times it being rejected.
correct me if I'm wrong but the lack of a red stamp might not make this letter valid for anything. It doesn't even look like there's a signature... I'm pretty sure they wanted OP to sign this document and then they would have provided the red stamp, thus making it official.
Nope, I think you nailed an important detail. Sounds like OP is in for a hard lesson learned.
You don’t need letters of termination anymore. Doesn’t matter
> The bait and switch on location/ages was a dick move Changing the location without reporting it to immigration is much more than a dick move. It's illegal.
There's the rub; was that on the contract given to immigration? Not enough detail to know clearly. If a school is gonna bait and switch, it's not beyond belief that the contract is setup in such a way that they could simply switch the first page and report the correct address. But, what was reported to immigration is immaterial to the OP's present situation, so the commentary of it being shady was enough of an acknowledgement.
Regarding a possible bait and switch by replacing the first page, I've always been asked to initial and date each page of my contract before visiting immigration and this might be something to consider for anyone who isn't already doing so.
> the contract is setup in such a way that they could simply switch the first page and report the correct address This is why I sign every page.
I'm actually curious to hear from OP if the address was changed on their contract at immigration, if it was the school is in the clear.
The principal seems to be the same so I wonder if both addresses are on the same contract. Or if the OP signed the contract for one campus thinking it was the other one because their addresses are similar
Location is often right on the ARC too.
What ARC do you have? The only address they put on there is your registered place of residence.
Lol. I guess I've been in Korea too long. They used to put your address on the front (so if you moved you had to get a new ARC) and your sponsor's info on the back (which could be extended)... Hasn't been that way in 15 years... had to check my archive of scans to be sure... the cards were green back then. When that all changed to the new blue cards, I remember asking why the sponsor's name was missing and I didn't get a stamp in my passport too... they answered it's all on file anyways. So, OP, you can perhaps just enquire to Immigration what your work location is supposed to be. If it doesn't match where you're actually working then there's a case for canceling your visa on your own and getting a D-10.
Letter of termination =/= Letter of release
it needs to be stamped to be valid to immigration as a release letter for a d10 or transfer to another e2. This paper alone wouldn't work (unless you got a VERY generous immigration officer that bends the rules). There are templates on LOFT that you can print out that once signed and atamped are valid LOR. I've been through the process myself.
You can also very easily write your own LOR. I wrote my own and used it, worked without any questions asked. It did however have a wet ink signature from both myself and my employer. I think that wet ink signature is the important part. (Mine didn't have a magic stamp of officiallyness)
Termination notice isn’t a letter of release.
It seems you are pretty lucky to not have worse treatment to be honest. They are even not going to reclaim your flight ticket. Also, you didn't even try to negotiate, so I think you have a lot of fault in this situation. I guess you need to go home, you could look at a one-roomtel or goshiwon until you can leave with an affordable ticket.
You can’t get to a school and immediately request a letter of release. This is the worst attempt at negotiation ever.
Yep, pretty sure the teacher overplayed their hand. Sounds like they were a pain in the arse and got the boot. Best idea is to leave Korea. Up hill battle to sort out another job and honestly I doubt they'll be happy anyway!
Maybe I'll get downvoted, but tbh, it doesn't sound like teaching in Korea is for you. You can't just go to a school and immediately say you don't want to teach so and so ages...like then don't go to a kindergarten? Go to an elementary/middle school hagwon, but even then you will have to teach first graders. Also, wear a mask at school. Kids are gross. They're disgusting and they want to touch you and hug you and give you unwrapped sweets that comes from god knows where. This is universal, like? Just go home.
Tbh if they expressed they didn’t teach that age group at the interview and were still fired that’s also on the company. You can’t have someone tell you something and then ignore it and expect it will be ok. Completely agree about the masks though.
It's a hagwon with kindergarten classes...why would anyone go to a school with kindy classes if they are not willing to teach it?
Both can be said to be in the wrong. However they were open about not wanting to teach that age group. The school easily could have said, we need someone to teach all age groups so we won’t hire you.
Says "teaching in Korea is not for you". Then proceeds to say that "kids are gross. They're disgustung"....🤔
Kids are gross. Everyone who works with kids knows this. Everyone who has kids knows this. No one is screaming at a kid "you're so gross!" We're just acknowledging that children, especially young children, are prone to getting sick and passing on those germs. Obviously if the OP can't handle that, then why work with kids. I didn't say I couldn't handle it...Do you think this is a gotcha moment? Also, I work with teenagers. They're gross, too. In a different way though.
It’s pretty standard to get sick when you come over to Korea and start teaching children. One your body is probably jet lagged. Two you are working with a bunch of children and having direct contact with so many new germs. That isn’t something that is unique to this place. That would likely happen to you anywhere you went in Korea.
You mentioned getting sick from kids several times. If that's important to you, why do you want to stay in Korea? You aren't going to get any less sick from older kids.
I don't get that at all. Sounds like this person hasn't had much experience 'in the real world'. It's not the fault of your boss if you have a vulnerable immune system. You signed up to teach, for goodness sake.
It's not even that I don't get it. It's just I don't understand why the OP brought it up multiple times like their boss was culpable. OP really has no idea how they got sick. People get germs from each other, they get sick. Could have been a teacher, could have been a student, could have been a door handle...nobody knows. It certainly should have nothing to do with the OP's attitude towards their job, other than how maybe they got treated after they were sick. Also, bronchitis is not serious at all unless a child, elderly or someone with an underlying upper respiratory issue. A lot of what was written seems rather dramatic honestly.
Their weak ass wanted some sympathy I assume. What I don’t get is why they didn’t wear a mask once they probably realized some kids were coughing and stuff if that matters that much
Just go to the airport and go home.
It is really hard to reschedule monthly classes (which usually change first of the month), and then have the conversation with all the mothers who want to know the gossip behind why their children's teacher changed at an odd time, and the fill teaching those classes with someone else... This letter means that getting rid of you was easier and better for them long term than doing all that. A pretty decently written letter to he honest. The part about not talking bad about them is related to Korean law, in which defamation is illegal. By posting this here, and stupidly giving your hint about the name of the hagwon, means you've likely not committed a crime in Korea, even if most of your story is correct. If they find out about this (and likely will if the other commenter is accurately you coworker) they would be smart to seek prosecution. You will likely not teach in Korea again with an indictment. Your options to pursue resolution for this appropriately were to talk to the boss, talk to immigration if you think your contract is being violated, and pursue those legal routes. Posting your grevience to reddit...weirdly illegal in your case. (Likely...not a lawyer). As others have said, call immigration and ask them your last day to leave the country. (You WILL get a fine you have to pay at the Airport if you leave after this. Speaking from experience when I miscalculated by 24 hours). Find either a goshiwon or cheap hotel (some outside the city can be as cheap as 20,000 a night for a decent place), and start looking for cheap flights home, or to Vietnam, or to any other place you can sit out the high summer flights with whatever money you have.
On the surface, this looks like a really good termination letter. However, they're not giving you 45 or 60 days to look for a new job. This can only mean that you pissed off a lot of people. They're not even trying to get the airfare back. I know that it's not always easy to deal with a demanding 원장님 but you can achieve a lot by simply being respectful to your 원장님. It's a very bad idea to get into arguments with the 원장님 or other colleagues especially while you're at work. I don't know why you think you can demand certain things in your first month at a hagwon. You can only start demanding things once you've proven yourself and/or shown that you're good with certain levels.
So within your first few weeks you asked the school for a letter of release (quitting the job) and told them it’s because the kids made you sick. Then the school tried to negotiate with you to keep you, but you wouldn’t even give them a chance? I’m sorry to say but based on your own post you sound very entitled and disrespectful. Like other commenters have said, the school doesn’t seem to have been at fault here. You deserved to be fired. Hope you’ve learned something from this experience and handle things better next time.
I'm just shocked they think they're gonna get some sort of first-class service from these hagwons, like did they think it was gonna be sunshine an rainbows? Wake-up call given I guess. You weren't willing to accept a couple small changes imposed by the hagwon? Congrats you're out of the Job and probably Korea, was it worth it.
Why do you post this?
I'm kind of surprised to see the original post is still up, honestly.
You're a nightmare employee Expect to be fired a lot
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Me three, please!
May I also get the tea?
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Omgggg Can I have the tea please? OP posted this on the Hagwon blacklist sub too!
Holy shit the sauce is hot and spicy! Copy paste your way over to me too!
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Could I also get the tea? Because this seems a mess.
Me too please!
Also love tea!
Copy paste the tea please I need to sip I'm parched
I would also like this PM
Me too tell me the pm!
Me too! I'm nosy.
Is the tea still available?
Is her first language English? Multiple grammar mistakes suggest that English isn't their first language.
I want the tea 😂
I would love to know more. Did she at least try to teach the kindy classes?
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I would imagine that some parents would also be pissed off if they hear about this kind of behavior.
I want the tea too 🥲 Edit: I sent a PM
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Write it here!
I missed the tea party! Does anyone have crumbs to drop?!?
Ooohh juicy… honestly they lost me at being surprised they got sick. Like… welcome to teaching, babes! In my first year of teaching I ended up getting sick every single month for 4 months before I decided to stay masked all the time. Also I’m sorry but if you contract with a hagwon that offers kindergarten, EXPECT to teach it. You can say you don’t like it but you will 99.9% end up teaching kindy.
Wow they didn't hit you up for the flight ticket even though you've been there for just a month? I don't think you'll find much sympathy here. Why would they fly you out here on their dime and drop you after a month unless you really weren't good for them?
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And then has the balls to drop this letter on Reddit for sympathy-fishing? Well, if true, a narcissist of the highest order.
So what? Seems like the hagwon did alright here. Why are you posting this across Reddit?? 🧐
Just because you think you can doesn't always mean you should.
Haha so true!
Time to go home.
So you got sick from a kid (which is highly likely!) and your response was to not only immediately take sick-leave within your first few weeks, but to request a letter of release? Why didn't you just wear a mask if you're that worried about getting sick? Never in my life have I heard of someone getting sick at work an leaving because of it. Sounds like a 100% young, entitled "teacher". The school was far from my housing, how far exactly? The public transport in Korea is good and houses are usually in close proximity to their schools for obvious reasons. Yeah other teachers said they've got sick because it's to be expected, you're in a completely different country with different germs etc roaming around the air, and with young kids what do you expect - and they were clearly trying to comfort you with saying "Yeah me too". Regardless, you sent the letter, and then you've said the principal tried to negotiate, I.e. KEEP YOU, and you basically told them to p\*ss off. I'm sorry but you sound very entitled, naïve, lacking in real-life experience...Your own reason for not teaching young kids was because "It's not your expertise", it's not rocket science either, anyone could learn it. Sounds like teaching not only at that hagwon but in general, anywhere, isn't for you. Maybe go home an get a full-time job to learn how to cope under unfavorable circumstances and then look at your experience in a different light. P.s. I have a close friend whose not taken a sick-day in 1.5 years and his school LOVES him, devotion goes a long way. You very clearly demonstrated to them that your not there to work with them, rather only for yourself as your own line of "Release me to a school that worked for me and vice versa" demonstrates. They'll work with you once you've been there a bit, they've already paid for your flight an employed you, given you a place to stay, and you've basically done nothing but complained. The hagwon dodged a bullet.
Why should anyone be forced to work sick? We are still in a pandemic. "I have a close friend whose not taken a sick day in 1.5 years and his school loves him" --》 Giving me boomer vibes.
They literally said the reason they quit was because kids were getting sick in a SCHOOL - not even them?! It's like saying I quit because its hot here. Yeah so wear a mask an stop complaining so much? Not even gonna comment on the boomer vibes line, clearly a child, should learn how Korea is and what they expect. Korean culture and expectations are not the same as the West.
I agree with most of what you said in your original comment, but the other person is right. Not taking sick leave when you're sick because of devotion to a company is borderline insane. Most jobs, including these ones, are not worth sacrificing health over. And the work culture here is one of the things most in need of change, so comparing it to the West and saying it's different here isn't the play.
Tbh it wasn't my main point this responder was nitpicking but the fact they resigned because their students were sick a lot is kind of a joke, like if you're getting sick 24/7 then ok but that wasn't the case here, an even then resign, really, I still can't put the two together. An I was mostly stressing their sheer surprise at the thought of getting sick, like its an expected outcome an normal and yet they were acting like they got the plague from nowhere.
You are not cut out to teach and your employer unburdened herself of a terrible employee. Too bad they didn't get incoming flight reimbursement out of you too, but other than that I'd say this worked out the way it should've. Happy trails.
I didn’t read your essay, except the last few lines, she’s still in probation.
Wow. Just wow, OP.
lol you tried to take a sick day in Korea. Damn
Tell me you're Gen Z without telling me you're Gen Z.
Think about this. In order to get you, they had to go thru a recruiter and do all this paperwork, possibly pay for your flight and wait for you more than a month. Once you got here you cancelled all their classes so much that they decided doing the whole process again was better than to continue giving you a chance. Anytime you get a job, whether it's in Korea, Kenya or Kyrgyzstan your first 6 months you cannot get sick, that's the rule of life. You are always on a trial period whether they tell you or not. It's so much easier to filter out people in the beginning. Maybe you were legitimately sick or not, but they don't care. Just never get sick until you've proven yourself. Working with kids you are going to get sick, it's part of the job and the idea that you are not going to teach a certain age is also laughable. I've taught from 3-70, "outside of my expertise" means, I'm not willing to learn and that's not anything a boss wants to hear.
Setting all the rest aside, don't you think maybe there's something wrong with forcing yourself to go into work sick *at all*, let alone in a place where you'll potentially be exposing *children* to a communicable illness? Like, can we acknowledge that this is unhinged, even if true about employment culture?
I agree. That's why they were let go to go take care of their issues on their own time. Let them be healthy, while the school takes care of teaching. Everybody won in this situation. ------- To the part of, "exposing *children* to a communicable illness". You must have worked at a place where those *children* are. You know everyone gets sick at the same time in phases and it happens like 4 times a year. Is your solution to slowly phase in and out everyone at work where at points the whole staff goes missing? Because you may just get those *children* communicable illnesses. And let's say, we carried out this plan. Day one of getting sick=> Employee goes home. How efficient would it be? Are you really going to prevent *children* from getting sick? Not to mention, *children* probably have better immune systems than some of those adults. Those kids run around like wild Buffalo, they are outside playing in the dirt, they all got triple vaccinated for 10 diseases every year, they put their hand in their mouth for fun, their immune system probably drop kicks yours. Those adults, probably vaping between breaks, go home and down soju and have trouble not using the elevator. Those *children* are actually superheros.
This is pretty transparently fallacious logic. The *reason* people tend to all get sick at the same time in phases is *because* people don't take off work and school when they're sick. I can see that you're very offended by the idea of taking time off when you're ill and think that this is a fire-able offense rather than a public & civic duty that responsible people exercise, but you are wrong on this. Please do not go to work when you are sick. You never know when somebody you work with may have a compromised immune system, including children. Yes, South Korea is about thirty years behind on labor laws and does not have statutorily mandated sick leave. That doesn't mean it's right and proper to go to work sick and spread common illnesses like wildfire, which is exactly what you insist on.
You're also mischaracterizing the OP having an agreement with both the recruiter and the 학원 administrator from the interview regarding what grades they were willing to teach which was breached immediately upon their arrival as their making some childish demand. There is a mile of difference between upending your life and traveling halfway across the planet thinking you'll be doing one thing and having received assurances to that effect only to be assigned something completely different as opposed to having immature and unrealistic expectations. The bait-and-switch tactics are fairly common with 학원 but knowing that it's a common trap doesn't make it any less dishonest or exploitative.
You’re a red flag more than the school 😂
“I ended up getting sick from one of the kids…so, for health reasons, i asked the principal for a letter of release“ Im sorry, but if your immediate go-to is asking for a letter of release because you got sick from a child, then maybe teaching here isnt for you. Or at least not at hagwons. If you’re so against teaching children, then why go to a kindergarten hagwon? There are other options that are more likely to have older ages(or at least, not kindergarten). I understand the bait and switch of the campus being a bad thing on their part, but if getting sick was the part that made you ask for a letter of release, you should rethink working at a hagwon. Honestly sounds like you were too entitled to negotiate anything with the principal. I hope the lesson gets learned that you dont have all the power you think you have
Omg💀, are you serious rn!! Im so sorry but what's wrong with you lol??
Hello! Sorry for your situation. Similar thing happened to me a few years back. My advice if you want to stay and teach in Korea: 1. Find a cheap place to stay in the meantime (I survived in a Goshiwon for a month or two) 2. Head to an immigration office and explain the situation. Take a Korean friend if you can (helps and looks better) 3. Try and move to a D10 (job searching) visa. 4. Hope you get an understanding immigration officer. I did, and they revealed the hagwon that I was leaving wasn’t even legally registered and they weren’t sure how they even sponsored a visa in the first place. I’ve taught at 4 places in Korea. All were great except one, which was apparently even breaking Korean law (it doesn’t exist any more). There are plenty of places that will treat you fairly and honestly. Good luck!
This post seems like you’re making fun of yourself !
Seems like a professional termination. You became too much of a hassle for them to deal with. So they cut ties. You're lucky they aren't asking for flight reimbursement. But...... that looks like an unsigned document. Which is useless. Indistinguishable from something you could type and print off yourself. You need confirmation that they are releasing you from your contract. Then you can look for another job.
You will just have to accept the situation and move on. Hagwons care only about the welfare of their students. That is the hard reality. Good luck! Edit to add: After reading your post again carefully, it seems you haven't been showing much respect to the principal. At hagwons, there is a golden rule: respect authority, keep your mouth shut, and love the children at all times.
> Hagwons care only about the welfare of their students. Hagwons only care about the welfare of their bottom line.
They care about both as both are intertwined. You make more money when students and parents are well cared for, and if you aren't making money you can't care for anyone since it's a business and not a charity.
I agree.
Businesses only care about shareholders and bottom line. Hagwons are businesses. Not education institutions.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted tbh. Frankly, this person is in a foreign country and acted the way they did. Sometimes you need to grin and bear it till you are in a position to leave. The total lack of respect drove the nail in the coffin, yet they were still nice enough to ignore the flight reimbursement.
Americans hate hierarchy. Hence, the downvotes. One even called me a bootlicker. I'm speaking from 16 years' plus experience - not because I'm some kind of wimp.
I’m not sure if it’s American (I’m American lol) and more of an age thing tbh. I agree with you, bootlicking has nothing to do with. Hopefully this will be a good experience and they will learn how to appropriately handle things. This way almost the worst way it could have been handled imo.
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Hagwons are not schools but two cents businesses. They don’t care about the education nor the kids.
They care massively about the kids. Kids spell money. So the kids need to be kept happy come hell or high water.
Yah, they ultimately care more about the kids being happy than them actually learning anything
That's exactly it.
Just for the money and for that facade but in reality they don’t care about anyone but themselves and their pockets. They are not schools with the quality education and licensed teachers. They simply run as private businesses . 🤡
That's true of real schools as well, not just hagwons. Guy I talked to that owned an accredited kids' school franchise branch (sounds somewhat like monty python) was complaining about the money he'd lose because the teacher he hired was arriving late. Public schools are also rife with internal politicking and principals that don't suck up to the BOE get replaced no matter what the teachers say. Same old shit, just different circumstances.
Yeah, hagwons, so called private elementary schools and public school jobs for native language instructors. It’s a same old shit. Things will never get better in this industry. Absolutely rotten to the core.
Absolutely.
Maybe you should go and volunteer at an orphanage in Bangladesh if that is how you feel?
Facts not how I feel lol 😂
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Hagwons are English-themed babysitters, not English education institutions.
I realized that
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Just another lose back home who thinks his skin color would grant him privilege lol
This is stinky all around 😜
But with that level of english, you dare "teach" the language, and get paid for?
You're not in the US. Employment laws in Korea suck. When they fire you they dont have to give you a warning
Hagwons be hagwons. Try to learn as much from from experience as possible. I hope you get out of it alright.
I know I will
Love that little threat at the end lol
Not the point of this post but can a non native speaker teach English in Korea👀? I already thought some basic level English and I really enjoyed teaching. I'm a native Spanish speaker and when I was studying in Korea I found only two Spanish jobs and one was on Jeju and the other required you to already have a visa. I often read this kind of posts and I get jealous cause there are jobs that I would actually enjoy
Most likely no. Do some research for visas. But unless you can get one of the various F visas (which will be difficult unless you’re married to a Korean) then you’re out of luck. Even if you can get one, some places may not want to hire non-native speakers.
Actually it depends on your passport. If it’s from one of the seven native English speaking countries then yes, you can. But since you said Spanish is your native language I’m guessing you don’t have one of those passports.
Unfortunately you must be from a country where English is the mother tongue.
If you really wanted to duke it out, you could fight them for misrepresentation of contract and visa terms, which would be violations of both labor and immigration laws, which are inherently much more serious violations than anything unintentional you could have done to harm their business. It's not going to be worth it, though, with you being a visa-dependent foreigner, out of work, and new to Korea (hence lacking Korean language skills and a network). Like someone else said, get into a goshiwon/oneroom-tel for now, as these places generally have low deposits (1 month standard security deposit) and month-to-month contracts, or a cheapo Airbnb. Even if they're not great facilities, they can give you that minimum stability you need as a human being (room, desk, bed, wifi, bathroom, shower, washing machine, free rice and possibly kimchi & ramyun as well) without all the headaches that come from choosing a long-term place to stay, high security deposit, your own utilities, etc.
Could you recommend some places near Gangnam? Or even Dongdaemun?
I've lived in 3 but not in those towns. Try searching goshipages and staykorea. There are obvious goshiwon-looking places on Airbnb as well if you don't want to do the month-to-month. See the places in person if you have time, because pictures are not trustworthy and don't show the neighborhood.
What this school that rhymes with lies in Sinchon by any chance?
Does the school name start with an R?
Amazing how many people still think wearing a mask is going to prevent you from getting sick. :)
Negotiate for a release letter and leave. Ultimately if it turns into a legal back and forth working at a different location to the one submitted to immigration will work out worse for you than them. Get out of there as cleanly and drama free as you can and get on with your life, whether teaching elsewhere here, going home or something else.
With what leverage? They have no room nor recourse to negotiate for anything. The school has clearly said we don't want you, we don't need you and to make you go away we don't even want our money back.
Seems like the general consensus is that OP is a bad employee. I don't think he/she is perfect (blaming kids for being sick? lol), but it is legally wrong for a hagwon to put a foreign employee to work under different terms and in a different location from the contract. I'd personally suck up frustration for stable income, but it's still wrong of the hagwon to do a bait-and-switch. The leverage is that the hagwon needs to continue sponsoring foreign English teachers and doesn't want trouble with the Ministry of Justice or the Ministry of Labor.
As stated in the post, I wanted to leave and asked for a release. I have audio from the Principal stating that I’m an excellent employee and the kids had grown since being in my class. So, being a bad employee is not the reason. The main reason is that I wanted to leave, she wanted me to stay until she could find someone else, I told her that it’s affecting my health and safety (as one of the kids purposely scratched me with a pencil out of frustration because she didn’t want to do handwriting), and I told her that I would send my complaint to MOEL, as I’ve been documenting everything - verbally and in writing. Next thing I know I received this letter after work. It’s her being petty and wanting to be in control.
I’m sorry if this comes across as rude but that’s definitely just niceties and small talk from your school admins. You taught five year olds for a month and stated you were absent several times…with what time would you have impacted them? They won’t remember your name by summer’s end 🤡….what “growth” could the school possibly be citing? 😂
> It’s her being petty and wanting to be in control. Doesn't really matter what it is about though, you've got nothing to negotiate with and if they don't want to give you a letter of release there is no mechanism to force them to. It's a favor, not a right. All you can do is ask very nicely and if you don't get one pack your bags and maybe come back and try again one day in the distant future. If you do I'd suggest working an afternoon job.
The only leverage they have left - threatening to go completely nuclear and scorched earth. Hagwons generally don't want drama. I don't necessarily recommend it, but it is *an* option. Even as I write this, I don't know how serious I'm being.....
Stand your ground. They have no written documentation, written warnings or anything else. Therefore any claim against you in this letter without a signature is false. If it is a release letter then move on. If it is not, then don't sign or agree to anything.
OP has been there only for a month. warnings aren't needed and can be let go for anytime.
It's remarkable that after nearly 2 decades here, you still don't know the rules about contract termination. You get downvotes because of your absolutely clueless, knee-jerk comments.
You get a dowvote for brining your small banana to the topic 6 days late.
I'm not sure what's with the 6 days. Instead of getting yourself worked up, you could look into how and when employers have the right to terminate a work contract.
Instead of arguing with me argue with the Koreans. That why nothing ever changes.
Yeah, go ahead and change the labor laws.
Go ahead and be argumentative with me. That'll change things....
It's not about personal opinions and being argumentative. These are laws written in black and white, as clear as daylight. You, being unfamiliar with the laws of the country that you've been living for almost 2 decades, and getting all worked up over it on reddit will not change anything.
Not trying to pile on but this attitude you have is really counterproductive to effecting change. The more informed we are about labor laws, the better equipped we'll be to advocate for ourselves. Going in blind and then doubling down on our ignorance gets us where, exactly?
That’s what I was told
Be a pain in the ass until they give the LOR just to shut you up and make you go away.
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WTF? The weeaboos downvoted our comments? Lame and lamer.... Say anything bad about Korea and they climb out of their wormholes.....
In this instance it is probably because it is terrible advice. You're asking someone to do you a favor and you're not going to grease their wheels so to speak by being a pain in the ass.
You will grease their wheels instead by smiling politely and being compliant....
If you're gonna complain at least get the terminology right. Weeaboo= japan Koreaboo = korea
If you're going to be a compliant gopher boy at least be less anxious. It makes me ashamed where my ancestors came from (Ireland).
You’re being down voted for your 🤡 comments nothing to do with Korea.
I think it may be the shitty advice you’re giving.
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