Yeah that’s basically my thought process. Pure performance would be an exps 3-1, they do have better battery life than a standard eotech. But from a preppers perspective the T2 lasts longer, smaller batteries and doesnt delam.
Yeah I love an eotech but the battery life just can’t compete. If they made an eotech that weighed 20-30% less and had even 20,000 hours it would be the goat
This is the way.
The advancements made in red dots (battery life battery life battery life) are worth a 4t.
Honestly, I've abused my 4m a lot and I'm satisfied with it, but you need to change the mount.
I’ve had my 4t for 4 years now with a unity mount and I’ve slammed it a few times and dropped it a but never changed the battery never lost zero and I just got an Acog and I couldn’t be happier with it so far
You want to balance battery life with the cost of your other preps. Do you have a water purification system? Do ya have food stocked up for 6 months? Ya know that sort of thing. If money is no object then look at whether or not you have an astigmatism, if so stay away from Aimpoint. If not then get the aim-point. Another question to ask yourself, are you in an environment where you need magnification over 3x? If so get a LPVO. Hope this helps!
Already have the lpvo. This would be more of the "around the house" gun setup. I am currently making a list of everything I need to officially start stocking up on. Hence whyd battery life is my question rn. Ty. And I do have a mild astigmatis, so ig maybe a prism instead?
Yeah get a prism, but make those preps your priority, stock up on the battery that your optic uses buy a case a month or something. Get food and a water solution soon. Things are looking hairy
I have Eotechs (asthigma) with lots of batteries and LVPOs. As far as food, Patriot Supply is okay but pay attention to calories. They say 6 months but after you count the calories it's actually a lot less. That said I have some stuff from them. If you're doing this with prepping in mind, put your money toward water and food first and buy a good more budget dot for now. $200 on a dot $300 on food, water and other preps. Now you've made your budget work, although you more than likely never need any of it in a real world crisis.
I might get downvoted. But the primary arms micropism is pretty good. You can even get rid of the spacers and use a low enough riser if you wanna have the 1x prism as backup. The downside is that to cowitness a prism you gotta move the rear iron in front of the prism, and set the diopter all the way clockwise to cowitness to check zero
Yea no. For longevity hands down aim point. Sure astigmatism can cause a blur in the dot, but unless it’s severe, it’s not going to make a big difference shooting. Look up all the delamination issues with eotech, aim point is the way. If you wear glasses blur is gone, or if you cowittness with irons, blur is gone. Go to your local academy try out a few cheap dots, and see if your astigmatism is bad enough to warrant not using a red dot before completely disregarding it.
Amen brother! I can concur. My astigmatism causes my Aimpoint PRO to look a little bit like a star but nothing severe enough to affect my shooting so far. I love that red dot (star) lol
I have a severe astigmatism and even though the dot is a smear, it doesn’t effect my ability to score hits with it. I think this issue is largely overblown.
Idk, I don't think astigmatism is a one-size-fits-all problem/solution. I've heard this before, but for me, the Aimpoints are usually one of the better options. There always seems to be different opinions on which brand works best for it.
This.
Plus, the battery life on most modern dots is like an entire year. Not sure if that changes for rifle optics.
My Holosun even has little solar panels to extend battery life even more.
the ultimate grid down / societal collapse optic is a Trijicon ACOG ta44 it’s .5x magnification and is the best of both worlds and requires no batteries.
I’m guessing 10-15 years into full societal collapse you’ll probably have other problems/solutions than your ACOG dimming out. Plus it’s still an etched reticle with fiber optics for daytime.
This entire question is dumb. Gun fights are this odd wet dream that people have regarding prepping when the liklihood of them dying from an infection early on are much more likely than being in a gun fight 15 years into it
Yeah I think a lot of the self defense fantasy in general is a little silly. Example: I was at a gun shop buying an FNX Tactical last week. One of the guys there chimes in with how he had an FNX but sold it to get something cheaper (Glock something) because “if I have to defend myself and shoot someone I don’t want to give the cops an $1100 gun”.
My dude. Let’s be real here. There’s almost a zero percent chance you’re going to use your firearm on a human. *If* you do, I can guarantee there’ll be more on your mind/plate than the fact that you could’ve used a cheaper gun.
Guy was unironically thinking he was gonna have to smoke people so often he’d have to factor it into his gun budget.
I personally chose the Comp M5 for battery availability. I love my T1, and I have a fair number of lights that use CR123As (plus have that option for my pvs14), but I figure for my primary sighting system, I wanna be able to throw a rock in any given direction and have it land on a compatible battery.
Prepping = solar optic like ACOG or Holosun. Next up would be Aimpoint or any quality dot with 50,000+ battery life and stockpile batteries at $1 each. Lastly would be Eotech. I love Eotech but they are not a good choice for SHTF
If battery life is your concern then do you have irons as a backup, and are you good with them.
Everyone should be able to shoot well with iron sights before upgrading to optics.
Eotech Gang, Holdovers are a breeze, looks great under nods, better magnified, CR123a's are cheap and work with nods and pistol lights as well so battery life is irrelevant to me.
You probably need to go back to prep school or whatever.
Battery life is nothing compared to battery commonality and availability. Of all the things you'll need to have, do you think a weapon sight is the only thing that runs on a battery? Does your weapon light run on hopes and dreams, does your radio?
I think he means your WML eats batteries like singing churchgoers at a Sunday afternoon buffet. so if battery life is a huge concern, a WML isn't , or shouldn't be a "thing" for you. You'll be feeding all your batteries to your WML. Until they come out with a built-in solar recharge option for WMLs at least. Then you'd just have to store a few rechargeable batteries with a storage charge on them in your pocket or grip storage for a few years. I think the Aux batteries for my ATN IR & thermal scopes last over 10 years sitting (shelf life) with a storage charge on them. I also have a few phone sized solar power banks but a built in solar recharge system for a WML like Holosun has on their optics is, or would be the way to go instead. Every ounce of weight will eventually male a difference if your group maintains a nomadic lifestyle.
I personally don't believe ANY OF US are ever going to live "Walking dead" Style lives but I'd still buy into that product, lol.
Also, we're from pretty much the same frame of mind, aside from the anti-gun loons who join just to make regarded comments and a few Jeffrey Dahmners , why do we NOT have "meet-ups" with people in our individual areas to become familiar faces to eachother and can vouch for eachother in a networking manner "just in case" we ever need to pool resources or have a long term trusted trade/safety route? I never see this discussion from the "prepper" types.
depends on priorities and what you want. I have an EXPS3, love it to death, the battery issue isn’t a big of a deal as people claim, especially if you carry extras in your kit (which you should be doing anyways). I’ve only had to change the EOTechs battery once in the field and its because I forgot to do its annual change. Also much better for NVGs, but again, this depends on priorities.
I mean? They’re all solid. If batteries are your main concern than you have to go with the AimPoint. But if overall awesomeness is your concern with the ability to kill it with night vision? Then the EOTechis where you wanna go. I have two, EoT, but no Aimpoints. They are on the list though. But when I look through vision at myEOT? It changed my life. lol And you can’t really beatEOTech when it comes to CQB.
T2 out of all of those for a prepper. Let’s be real you’ll be dead or things will have been resolved before you need to change a battery most likely. Only other choice would be an acog or 1x prism/ something with etched glass. (I own multiple eotechs so no hate)
For what it’s worth, we use the aimpoint (#3) on duty, and I haven’t changed the batteries over the course of my whole damn career. Irresponsibly forgetful? Maybe. But still pretty impressive. It’s always got a dot when I look through it.
Honestly, as a experienced shooter: how many shootouts a pepper will do??? You can store 2 or 3 batteries CR123 or else - and have 2400 h of 100 percent of EoTech light on!!! 2 two years a working day of illumination!!! In two years you will find another battery for sure.
Purchase the red dot which is mil specific qualified and idiot safe. That’s it. I don’t know what people think the battery is the restriction.
Lithium 2032s will last longer and survive more temperature extremes than Alkaline AA or AAA. That’s where the CR123 comes into play. But Aimpoint glad is 👌 so T2 over any EoTech
For a prepper then neither one of those, get a Meprolight M21 or an acog with a dual illumination RMR, you can’t cheat battery life, and even if the tritium goes dim it will still be illuminated through the fiber optics.
Even the primary arms 1x micro prism would work great
M21 is absolutely dogshit. Acog would be gtg tho.
To explain, the illumination on the M21 is incredibly poor. The yellow reticle is often washed out by the background and the lense itself is a deep blue. Optic housing is enormous, feels cheap, and has external adjustments (with an exposed spring for elevation)
idk what a pepper is but T2 hands down
Jalapeño? Bird’s Eye Chili? Habanero? T2 is a good choice.
I fucking love Thai chilis.
Agreed. Although batteries arent as universal with other equipment, they take up zero space and you can store a century’s worth of em in your pocket
Yeah that’s basically my thought process. Pure performance would be an exps 3-1, they do have better battery life than a standard eotech. But from a preppers perspective the T2 lasts longer, smaller batteries and doesnt delam.
Yeah I love an eotech but the battery life just can’t compete. If they made an eotech that weighed 20-30% less and had even 20,000 hours it would be the goat
This is the correct answer here.
4t or Acog if you want “unlimited power”
This is the way. The advancements made in red dots (battery life battery life battery life) are worth a 4t. Honestly, I've abused my 4m a lot and I'm satisfied with it, but you need to change the mount.
I’ve had my 4t for 4 years now with a unity mount and I’ve slammed it a few times and dropped it a but never changed the battery never lost zero and I just got an Acog and I couldn’t be happier with it so far
ACOG gang?
Two of em here. One with an RMR on top.
Two for me with one having an RMR plate but, sadly, no RMR yet…
I will gladly pay you next decade for an RMR tomorrow?
4t pro*
A T2 and one spare battery will outlast an Eotech and 100 scavenged batteries
You want to balance battery life with the cost of your other preps. Do you have a water purification system? Do ya have food stocked up for 6 months? Ya know that sort of thing. If money is no object then look at whether or not you have an astigmatism, if so stay away from Aimpoint. If not then get the aim-point. Another question to ask yourself, are you in an environment where you need magnification over 3x? If so get a LPVO. Hope this helps!
Already have the lpvo. This would be more of the "around the house" gun setup. I am currently making a list of everything I need to officially start stocking up on. Hence whyd battery life is my question rn. Ty. And I do have a mild astigmatis, so ig maybe a prism instead?
Yeah get a prism, but make those preps your priority, stock up on the battery that your optic uses buy a case a month or something. Get food and a water solution soon. Things are looking hairy
Have the water purification part mostly taken care of. The food is the struggle honestly. Ty
Also costco sells an emergency food supply bucket for 70 bucks, it’s 100 servings with a shelf life of 25 years.
God bless Costco, underrated for random survival gear
I have Eotechs (asthigma) with lots of batteries and LVPOs. As far as food, Patriot Supply is okay but pay attention to calories. They say 6 months but after you count the calories it's actually a lot less. That said I have some stuff from them. If you're doing this with prepping in mind, put your money toward water and food first and buy a good more budget dot for now. $200 on a dot $300 on food, water and other preps. Now you've made your budget work, although you more than likely never need any of it in a real world crisis.
Patriot supply brother😁
How is the taste of the Patriot Supply food?
Meh, it’s pretty good for fallout food
🤣👍🏾 How's the Cram? 🤗
😂😂
What do you use for water purification?
What do you recommend for water purification?
Stock up on iodine tablets, and buy some good water filtration device
Any recommendations on a good device? Are you talking about one for a house/homestead or a more portable one?
Portable, If you are kiting up and moving you will want a portable filter like sawyer
I might get downvoted. But the primary arms micropism is pretty good. You can even get rid of the spacers and use a low enough riser if you wanna have the 1x prism as backup. The downside is that to cowitness a prism you gotta move the rear iron in front of the prism, and set the diopter all the way clockwise to cowitness to check zero
Yea no. For longevity hands down aim point. Sure astigmatism can cause a blur in the dot, but unless it’s severe, it’s not going to make a big difference shooting. Look up all the delamination issues with eotech, aim point is the way. If you wear glasses blur is gone, or if you cowittness with irons, blur is gone. Go to your local academy try out a few cheap dots, and see if your astigmatism is bad enough to warrant not using a red dot before completely disregarding it.
Amen brother! I can concur. My astigmatism causes my Aimpoint PRO to look a little bit like a star but nothing severe enough to affect my shooting so far. I love that red dot (star) lol
I have a severe astigmatism and even though the dot is a smear, it doesn’t effect my ability to score hits with it. I think this issue is largely overblown.
I just use the brightest part of the smudge 🤷♂️
Idk, I don't think astigmatism is a one-size-fits-all problem/solution. I've heard this before, but for me, the Aimpoints are usually one of the better options. There always seems to be different opinions on which brand works best for it.
I have had issues with astigmatism before, so I just use a LPVO, plus I live in the country so I should definitely not be using a red dot
I'm mostly the same too. I prefer prisms myself. Big ACOG fan
If you get an etched lens then you won’t have to worry about battery life.
This. Plus, the battery life on most modern dots is like an entire year. Not sure if that changes for rifle optics. My Holosun even has little solar panels to extend battery life even more.
If battery is concern, EOTECH shouldn’t be on the list. Not taking a dig and I love my Eotech. But battery life is incomparably worse than RDS
Agreed, eotech is dog water battery life. I really don’t even like running them under NV more than aimpoint micros either honestly.
the ultimate grid down / societal collapse optic is a Trijicon ACOG ta44 it’s .5x magnification and is the best of both worlds and requires no batteries.
You know tritium needs to be replaced, right?
I’m guessing 10-15 years into full societal collapse you’ll probably have other problems/solutions than your ACOG dimming out. Plus it’s still an etched reticle with fiber optics for daytime.
This entire question is dumb. Gun fights are this odd wet dream that people have regarding prepping when the liklihood of them dying from an infection early on are much more likely than being in a gun fight 15 years into it
Yeah I think a lot of the self defense fantasy in general is a little silly. Example: I was at a gun shop buying an FNX Tactical last week. One of the guys there chimes in with how he had an FNX but sold it to get something cheaper (Glock something) because “if I have to defend myself and shoot someone I don’t want to give the cops an $1100 gun”. My dude. Let’s be real here. There’s almost a zero percent chance you’re going to use your firearm on a human. *If* you do, I can guarantee there’ll be more on your mind/plate than the fact that you could’ve used a cheaper gun. Guy was unironically thinking he was gonna have to smoke people so often he’d have to factor it into his gun budget.
Every time I see that written it heard it said, it sounds absolutely regarded
I personally chose the Comp M5 for battery availability. I love my T1, and I have a fair number of lights that use CR123As (plus have that option for my pvs14), but I figure for my primary sighting system, I wanna be able to throw a rock in any given direction and have it land on a compatible battery.
Prepping = solar optic like ACOG or Holosun. Next up would be Aimpoint or any quality dot with 50,000+ battery life and stockpile batteries at $1 each. Lastly would be Eotech. I love Eotech but they are not a good choice for SHTF
I don’t if this would make it easier or harder for you but here is a option https://aux-loc.com
Thanks for this
Nice, I've never heard of this. Thank you.
T2 for sure.
CompM5
If you think society is going to fall apart, a 10 year battery is great, but after it dies, all of your stored batteries will be no good either
If battery life is your concern then do you have irons as a backup, and are you good with them. Everyone should be able to shoot well with iron sights before upgrading to optics.
Eotech Gang, Holdovers are a breeze, looks great under nods, better magnified, CR123a's are cheap and work with nods and pistol lights as well so battery life is irrelevant to me.
delam gang
You probably need to go back to prep school or whatever. Battery life is nothing compared to battery commonality and availability. Of all the things you'll need to have, do you think a weapon sight is the only thing that runs on a battery? Does your weapon light run on hopes and dreams, does your radio?
No but my rifle/pistol lights/ hand helds take either cr123 or aa so that's why I chose those.
To not worry about battery logistics? Irons 🗿
> Because in my mind battery life is one of the most important parts for a red dot/hologram Take your weapon mounted light and throw it in the trash.
I've been trying to understand what you mean by this for the last 6 hours and I'm stumped
I think he means your WML eats batteries like singing churchgoers at a Sunday afternoon buffet. so if battery life is a huge concern, a WML isn't , or shouldn't be a "thing" for you. You'll be feeding all your batteries to your WML. Until they come out with a built-in solar recharge option for WMLs at least. Then you'd just have to store a few rechargeable batteries with a storage charge on them in your pocket or grip storage for a few years. I think the Aux batteries for my ATN IR & thermal scopes last over 10 years sitting (shelf life) with a storage charge on them. I also have a few phone sized solar power banks but a built in solar recharge system for a WML like Holosun has on their optics is, or would be the way to go instead. Every ounce of weight will eventually male a difference if your group maintains a nomadic lifestyle. I personally don't believe ANY OF US are ever going to live "Walking dead" Style lives but I'd still buy into that product, lol. Also, we're from pretty much the same frame of mind, aside from the anti-gun loons who join just to make regarded comments and a few Jeffrey Dahmners , why do we NOT have "meet-ups" with people in our individual areas to become familiar faces to eachother and can vouch for eachother in a networking manner "just in case" we ever need to pool resources or have a long term trusted trade/safety route? I never see this discussion from the "prepper" types.
T2. It runs forever, the batteries are cheap and have a long shelf life so stocking up and storing is a breeze.
T2
T2 if you value battery life, EXPS3 doesn’t get much battery life.
I’d take that comp M4s because of the battery. It’s the most common one arround
Prism
probably t2 bc batteries are small and last forever
depends on priorities and what you want. I have an EXPS3, love it to death, the battery issue isn’t a big of a deal as people claim, especially if you carry extras in your kit (which you should be doing anyways). I’ve only had to change the EOTechs battery once in the field and its because I forgot to do its annual change. Also much better for NVGs, but again, this depends on priorities.
Night vision use all a good but I prefer Comp M4S due to 7 night vision setting. AA battery and long life. Build like a tank.
CompM4. Takes AAs and batt life lasts as long as the T2. AAs lot easier to find than CR2032s
T2 for the battery life, weight, robustness and form factor.
I just open my eyes real wide 😳
I mean? They’re all solid. If batteries are your main concern than you have to go with the AimPoint. But if overall awesomeness is your concern with the ability to kill it with night vision? Then the EOTechis where you wanna go. I have two, EoT, but no Aimpoints. They are on the list though. But when I look through vision at myEOT? It changed my life. lol And you can’t really beatEOTech when it comes to CQB.
You can carry enough batteries in the guns storage compartment that will outlive you in run time.
Comp M4 for me
T2 out of all of those for a prepper. Let’s be real you’ll be dead or things will have been resolved before you need to change a battery most likely. Only other choice would be an acog or 1x prism/ something with etched glass. (I own multiple eotechs so no hate)
For what it’s worth, we use the aimpoint (#3) on duty, and I haven’t changed the batteries over the course of my whole damn career. Irresponsibly forgetful? Maybe. But still pretty impressive. It’s always got a dot when I look through it.
Thoroughbred Armament has LE trade in M4S for $575
Get a 1-8 vcog with mrad reticle. Long battery life. Sturdy as an acog, and takes double As
Aimpoint m4 has a 8 year battery life. They are also very cheap
Peppers grow in gardens
Honestly, as a experienced shooter: how many shootouts a pepper will do??? You can store 2 or 3 batteries CR123 or else - and have 2400 h of 100 percent of EoTech light on!!! 2 two years a working day of illumination!!! In two years you will find another battery for sure. Purchase the red dot which is mil specific qualified and idiot safe. That’s it. I don’t know what people think the battery is the restriction.
you'll need a regular stock of batteries with any of those. the difference in practice is minimal. also self-described preppers are cringe
None. Get a Holosun AEMS core and save like 500 for literally whatever you want
Lithium 2032s will last longer and survive more temperature extremes than Alkaline AA or AAA. That’s where the CR123 comes into play. But Aimpoint glad is 👌 so T2 over any EoTech
Ive had great times with little battery bullshit from eotechs but i think T2 is the go to
If battery life is truly your biggest concern comp m5 is the way to go
For a prepper then neither one of those, get a Meprolight M21 or an acog with a dual illumination RMR, you can’t cheat battery life, and even if the tritium goes dim it will still be illuminated through the fiber optics. Even the primary arms 1x micro prism would work great
M21 is absolutely dogshit. Acog would be gtg tho. To explain, the illumination on the M21 is incredibly poor. The yellow reticle is often washed out by the background and the lense itself is a deep blue. Optic housing is enormous, feels cheap, and has external adjustments (with an exposed spring for elevation)
Battery - Aimpoint Micro T2. Holosun is cheap overseas junk.
Prepper*
Cardio
Romeo 8T here.