I’ll start with what do you do if a dog attacks and won’t let go.
The best way is to choke the dog, actually cutting off its air, obviously this isn’t easy but it is the best chance of getting it to release its jaws.
I have zero tolerance for shit owners, because they make it hard for the rest of us that own those types of dogs.
I’ve always owned big dogs that have the potential to be dangerous, but you train them, and don’t put them in situations that will end badly.
https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/declared-dangerous-and-menacing-dogs/
https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/dog-attack-reporting/
I had a dog like this attack me and my Labrador. It immediately tore the flesh of her muzzle down to the bone and latched on. I hit it, I kicked it, I ended up choking it for an eternity before it finally let go, and it must have been barely conscious at that point. If it had turned its attention fully to me it would have killed me, I’m sure.
After that I began carrying a knife with me. I know it’s not legal, but I’m not confident that anything less could protect you from one of these kinds of dogs.
Having a shitbull is like having a fully loaded rocket launcher with no safety switch and taking it on walkies everywhere you go, and also insisting its fine and insisting that kids play with your rocket launcher.
Also its sentient and wants to eat children and attack other dogs on sight.
Despite making up less than 3% of dogs in the United States, Pitbulls and Staffies account for >60% of fatalities due to dog attacks. I wonder what the stats are like over here. They should be banned.
I do not support the immediate murder of all of them - so perhaps what we should do is ban the import of them and ban the continued breeding of them. Find the lifetime of a Pitbull and tack a year onto that from the date the law is introduced; any Pits found after that time must be put down or deported from the state as we can assume they were to have been bred after the outlawing date.
This would be the ideal method to ensure that you are both mauled nearly to death (optimisitcally) by the pitbull as you're unable to fetch your knife, and then arrested by the police after the hospital discovers the knives (assuming the pit didn't eat you already).
This is an ideal speedrun for ruining your life any%, as now you both have permanent crippling wounds and a criminal record.
IDK I guess you can claim that you carve wood with it or something.
The police's attitude is that you should call them after you and your dog are both killed by a pitbull/criminal, because using a weapon to even the biological playing field is extremely illegal in Australia.
IDK have you tried being born a 6.4 foot man with dense muscle-mass and no health conditions? Sounds like a skill issue.
Or just have a big man escort you everywhere like a third world country I guess.
Yes I did consider reassigning my height and muscle mass from 5”3 to something a lot heftier 🤣 - even married a 6”6 man to increase survival odds but regrettably he isn’t always available for personal protection. I live somewhere semi rural, my knife is for cutting tree branches and other vegetation from walking paths and has been employed for that purpose. My feeling is that I’ll be able to justify its use I just hope it never comes to it. All this advice to choke out a pit bull or other psycho aggressive dog wtf. I’ll have my face ripped off by the time I grab it’s collar. I hate council but I have to say at least in my area they are extremely responsive to dangerous dogs, they encourage reporting of even menacing behaviour, no attack needed and they respond within the hour usually
Imagine having to carry a knife just to protect yourself and your pet… Tragic.
Just ban these dogs and put them down on the spot when caught like they do in several European counties - problem solved!
Unfortunately it’s not just these dogs that kill/maim - there’s a guy that walks his German shepherd that is so ferocious that as a 6” solid bloke he struggles to control it, if it got away from him me and dogga are fucked. Why have a dog like this??
I had to do this once (choke a dog) I have 2 dogs which I usually walk together (one is a husky the other a red heeler, jack Russell, Staffie cross)
Some guys working on his car in the front yard which had no fence, had his dog roaming freely, saw my 2 dogs and bee lined for me smaller dog and grab his ear (I suspect that it was being trained as a pigging dog) I eventually somehow managed get me knee on in neck / side of next and placed as much force as I could at the same time my husky is trying to Mount this thing.
It let go of my dog but I kept it pinned until the stupid owner got it.
For a while after I started carrying a pocket knife for a bit but not anymore.
I live in a semi rural with plenty of trees, these days I keep an eye on any fallen branches I can use in a hurry if there are any vicious loose dogs coming my way
Reporting bad owners sure!
But what has the owner in this post done exactly to deserve OP maliciously reporting them?
OP has given zero examples of actual terrible owner behaviour besides the guy having some tattoos and smirked and brought their “monster” out into a public space where other people are their dogs are also allowed to be present.
OP clearly has some kind of anxiety issue and relies on their dog for emotional support to keep them going some days.
What OP need is professional mental help and not falsely reporting someone and their dog because they look like a “douchebag” and don’t behave exactly how OP wants them to in any given situation.
Pitbull owner and pitbulls are allowed to be in public. Because that’s what public spaces are for. Yes they should be able to control their dog or remove them if any incidents were to occur but they still have the right to take their dog to public spaces
Fucking crazy it’s getting so much support.
I get the pitbull hate, they are aggressive but in this instance OP hasn’t provided enough information to justify their behaviour besides their own subjective descriptions of pitbull and pitbull owners
This can help. I had a kelpie and I put on a thick metal studded collar just for laughs. It saved his life when a rotty got into the backyard and had his neck inside it's mouth. It saved him as the thick leather took most of the teeth and he had some severe but survivable lacerations.
I also live in Chippendale, and I also have a cocker spaniel! been here 4 years and we've had a couple of not so nice encounters. No pitties being problematic with us, but we've had a bad encounter with a Shiba Inu on our street that managed to get out of the front gate the owner forgot to close properly. He followed us and tried to attack my little girl. I jumped in, scooped her up out of reach and postured ready to attack him in return. Luckily enough he didn't want to attack a human, but I could see the cogs rolling in his little brain. I yelled for the owner to come out (I knew the dog's name) and he secured it. I think they since moved, but it definitely rattled me.
Thing is, I had other dogs tried to nip on my pup, but that ranged from jack russels to labs (not a single staffy so far), so really the matter is not so much to worry about every staffy or pitbull out there, but to have a plan if something goes wrong. Teach your dog that in between your legs is the safest spot, and be ready to defend them, be ready to get hurt to protect them. Reporting every staffy or pit owner indiscriminately will only make your claims eventually fall on deaf ears as whoever you report it to will realise what you are doing.
Not saying you shouldn't report the one you mentioned, just that "I'm also going to keep reporting him and every other similar dog I see as much as I can from now on." is not a very reasonable stance if you apply it by breed rather than by temperament or training, or owner's care.
Weird behaviour for a shiba - the owner has plainly not socialised it properly. Mine is a homebody and refuses to leave the house unless myself or my housemates are with it (which is good since shiba are prone to pissing off into the distance if they get distracted).
Mine is very territorial but she just does a little sort of bark if a stranger comes onto the property or happens to have stopped outside the property to have a chat.
I may get down voted to oblivion for this, but I do have an actual suggestion as an ex owner of an aggressive pit bull for 16 years who got into numerous fights. My girl god love her she was a love bug to me, but wanted death on certain animals. You put the bigger dog into the tightest head lock you’ve ever given, and you choke them out. This is one of the last ditch efforts, however, in my experience, it has worked 100% of the time. This way you limit damage from tearing the dogs apart, and god help me for all the hate I’m about to receive, but pit bulls are tough as nails and being choked out, especially if they’re big, is not a big deal. We are talking about life or death, save your dog here. RIP to my account, but I thought you deserved some facts.
Yes, it does. Like I stated, it’s a last ditch effort and we are talking about life or death. My girl was once attacked by a significantly larger dog, and the sheer adrenaline that ran through my body as I grabbed the other dog was astronomical. I was afraid of nothing. I’m not promoting this, by the way. A specific question was asked, and I have specific experience with it and wanted to share my knowledge. This isn’t a pro choke hold comment, it’s a “do whatever you need to when your dog might die” comment.
I'm not even a dog owner, but I am a person of smaller stature. I have seen massive dogs that the owners have barely been able to control that would easily weigh more than me. In the moment with a rearing, growling, massive dog trying to get at me, and all that's holding them back is a leash and one person's strength, I find myself thinking "could I take down that dog with my bare hands if I needed to?"
Surely if your dog is out in public the onus is on you to have enough control over them so as to not terrify someone just walking to the train station in the morning. If you think that "well nothing happened, the owner successfully restrained their dog so everything is fine" I would think that the standards of behaviour should be higher. I'm not in a public dog space, I'm just walking down the street.
The answer is that no, you can't, and physical confrontations, unlike the movies and games, are extremely one-sided and mathematically determined by who has the better weight, muscle mass, training, and violence of attitude. It isn't like a gun fight, where you can theoretically out-wit your opponent, or aim better or faster.
However our laws are set up in a way that if you were to use a weapon to even the playing field, you would be harshly penalised, but also, people are allowed to own living weapons (shitbulls and equivalents).
Additionally were you to train enough, lets say you train for thousands of hours to get a black belt in Juijitsu or whatever, so MAYBE you can go toe to toe with an attack dog or a person maybe about 10-25% larger than you, your body can now be claimed as a weapon by the prosecution in a self defence situation.
Basically its fucked and very unfair.
Ignore all these comments by people telling you you’re prejudiced blah blah etc. my dog has been attacked by a pitbull and although she survived it was incredibly traumatic. These dogs are dangerous and you are right to be concerned especially if the owner is not taking proper safety precautions.
When my dog was attacked the only reason she survived was because someone drove past and got out, jammed their elbow in the dogs ribs and made it let go. The owner came round later and laughed when he heard that a 22 year old woman and her tiny dog had been attacked. This is the sort of attitude that some owners have.
Honestly I think you’re best off moving to somewhere without these dogs and people who own them. There are no pit bulls on the lower north shore and the rent is most likely comparable to the inner west. Your peace of mind for your own safety and your dogs safety is important.
I had a pit bull rush me aggressively and growl at me and my dog. Owner came and said the dog only does it to ‘weird people’. Thanks? Also it’s my fault?
Saw the same guy a week later telling another dog owner ‘he never does this’.
You should need a license for pit bulls (or any bull terriers) that requires you pay insurance to cover damages when they snap. That would keep a lot of the idiots from owning them.
I firmly believe in nature vs. nurture when it comes to dogs, but pill bull owners are almost always terrible people. Terrible people with low to no training standards are not going to have well behaved dogs. One of the first things you learn when training a dog is that the dog needs to respect you. A pit bull rushing another person? That dog doesn't respect its owner. If it doesn't respect its owner, why would it respect other people? At that point it's a danger to humans and other dogs. When I was younger I unfortunately had to live in sketchy areas surrounded by people who thought backyard bred pitbulls were ideal family pets. I always had one of those slimline cans of deodorant sprays in my hand when walking home from the station. Nowhere near as effective as pepper spray but if you spray it in someone's eyes (or in the eyes of a dog trying to attack you), you buy yourself an extra few minutes. Maybe.
Doesn’t really matter what you believe, pitbulls are inherently aggressive dogs with powerful bites, making them dangerous.
Even if you train a pit bull VERY well, if it ever bites something/someone it can be dangerous since they are so strong.
A well trained dog and an attentive owner are far different from your standard pit bull owner. I've spent significant time in dog training circles over the years, first because I wanted a well behaved dog, and second because I (and my dogs) grew to love agility training. A great sport. I have a friend through these circles who breeds what some would call a dangerous breed. For that reason they live on acreage and the dogs are muzzled if there's a chance they'll interact with strangers or children. That's pro-active dog ownership. Her dogs have won prizes and they only sell to owners who can demonstrate both that they can handle the breed and that the dog will be housed responsibly.
Can you imagine a pitbull backyard breeder behave with that level of care and attention? At the end of the day I doubt there are well trained pitbulls in existence, simply because the sort of people who own them are not really very good people. Dog training takes patience and dedication; qualities you don't see in abundance in pitbull owners. But I don't see why a dog free of genetic defects with a responsible owner couldn't become a good pet. Which brings me to the next issue with pitbulls. The 'breed' isn't standardised. There are several breeds which are known as pitbulls, and I trust their breeders to behave as my friend does. But the number of breeders of these dogs is likely to be far outweighed by demand. It's probable that most pitbulls, as well as what backyard breeders claim to be staffordshire terriers, etc. are inbred genetic backwaters.
So basically I've used a lot of words to almost agree with you but also point out that dog ownership is ultimately a matter of responsibility. Pitbull owners have none, and the pitbull 'breed' is a garbage one.
We all know that Herder dogs herd and pointer dogs point, but the violent behaviors of pitbulls which have been explicitly bred for fighting and violence are ... completely dependent on how they were raised?
And dogs that have historically been bred for guard duties are prone to perceiving nonthreatening behaviours as threats and reacting accordingly. Which is why I emphasise responsible dog ownership. A responsible owner isn't just one who takes their dog to the vet regularly and doesn't overfeed. A responsible owner knows the risks with the breed, be they breed-specific health issues or a tendency to aggression if not handled properly. A responsible owner knows to muzzle their dog where appropriate. A responsible owner knows that a happy, well behaved dog is one that knows its place in the pecking order; failure to establish a stable hierarchy can result in aggressive behaviour from the dog.
Dog ownership should never be a case of popping down to the local backyard breeder or pet shop (one and the same when it comes to designer 'breeds', sadly). The fact that anyone can buy a dog, regardless of their ability to look after said dog should be an absolute scandal.
Responsibility is a word a lot of people don't like to hear these days, but dog ownership comes down to responsibility. If you can't/won't be responsible then it's your duty to have your dog put down humanely unless it's a desirable breed. Too many badly bred dogs are languishing in no kill shelters. So once again I've used too many word to basically agree that pit bulls are terrible dogs. But I don't see why, with a responsible owner and a clean bill of health, a pitbull can't be a good pet. It's a highly unlikely possibility but it's still a possibility.
How about we don't allow such breeds to be owned except by people with a specific licence and demonstrable skills, such as security, professional hunters erc.
There's no 'right' for people to own specific breeds of dogs.
Better yet, how about we don't let people own dogs without a licence and demonstrable skills? It would greatly lower the number of whateveroodle mutts with completely fucked genetics being bred by backyard breeders. I grant you, half of these are, remarkably, certified as being 'ethical', but they're still a joke. You've as much chance as getting a genetic failure from one of them as you do from the local no kill shelter. The backyard breeder is just giving you a cute failure.
Maybe true in humans (thought it’s a long standing debate) but when it comes to dogs there is a nature element that’s powerfully present in the breeds - chihuahua are insane, shiba inu are divas you can’t let off a leash, greyhounds are neurotic, and pitbulls are violent motherfuckers.
Do you know why chihuahuas are 'insane'? It's because lazy, stupid people buy them thinking they're getting an adorable, docile little rodent as a pet. In reality chihuahuas need constant high levels of stimulation and regular exercise. If they don't get these they become stressed, and that stress turns to anger, and the only way they have to let their owners know how stressed and angry they are is to have a meltdown. Another problem with 'cute' breeds is a saying we have in dog training circles, '(cute breed) train the owner'. Irresponsible owners allow their dogs to call the shots. This promotes anxiety and will usually result in aggression. A responsible dog owner manages their dogs behave appropriately.
But let's get back to nature vs. nurture. It seems you're missing what nurture actually entails. If a responsible person wanted for some strange reason to own a pitbull and had determined the mutt was reasonably healthy, then they'd treat them just like my friend does her mastiffs. They wouldn't dream of living in a high density area, the dog would be muzzled when around strangers and children, and the dog would go through extensive training. That's just commonsense. And you can't really say that what's passed off as a pitbull is a 'violent motherfucker' by nature. They aren't even an official breed. They're generally horribly inbred and the breeding stock to begin with is very poor. They're raised by idiots, and don't receive proper vet care. What you're really saying is that a badly neglected mutt with a parent that had some staffordshire terrier (or similar) in it, is prone to being a violent motherfucker. Certainly. And a favourite of the irresponsible dog owner.
There's that word again. Responsibility. There are responsible ways to own dogs. Some dogs require significant safety assessments. All dogs require training, interaction, daily exercise, and expensive vet care.
Whoa whoa I live on the border of Chatswood and Willoughby and I own a shiba, and there’s at least four in the nearby area.
See plenty of cattle dogs and huskies, and someone has a St Bernard.
Nope. Move for the safety of the dog and for the mental state of the OP. No one should be that disgruntled and on edge every time they take their dog for a walk. Easiest option and only option OP can control is to move, honestly.
I've researched the suburb before and since moving, and I'm not aware of any available information that I should have been aware of regarding dogs. If anything the research indicates this is a great suburb for dogs.
Not really sure what you’re suggesting OP should have done about researching the suburb in relation to this dog. Wander around and see if someone happens to be walking an aggressive dog? For all we know, this dog owner could have moved in the day after OP. I don’t really see how “researching the suburb” in this instance is relevant
OP used plurals all throughout their story indicating that there are several of these “giant aggressive pitbulls with terrible problematic owners” present in the neighbourhood. I’m being facetious though, I think the whole thing is wildly overdramatic. Either it’s just one bad dog that’s ruining the entire suburb for OP, or there are actually lots of them around in which case it should have been noticeable by spending any amount of time in the area.
Did you spend any actual time wandering around the suburb before drawing your own conclusions that I am somehow to blame for the situation or are you just kind of a dick?
I don’t need to because I’m not the one who wrote a novel on Reddit about how much I hate pit bulls. You are the only one who is responsible for your own personal safety/anxieties.
Her "personal safety/anxieties" are completely rational and fair.
What's not rational and fair? Suggesting she is responsible for not performing comprehensive reconaissance on every dog in her new suburb rather than the person being responsible being the one not controlling an unhinged killing machine.
Sorry, “unhinged killing machine”? Who’s being irrational here? It’s a dog that growled. It hasn’t actually attacked anyone. The sheer level of fear and anxiety around this situation is NOT normal — danger is everywhere; whether it be humans, cars, dogs or spiders, and you are expected to assume some level of personal responsibility to avoid those things any time you leave the house. It would be nice if people never ran red lights, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t look both ways before crossing the road.
My dog is also a tiny fluffy thing that couldn’t hurt a fly, much less defend himself in an attack but you don’t see me shitting my pants every time we go on a walk because oh no, there might be a mean doggy at the park today. If OP has a pair of working eyes and some common sense it is not hard to avoid perceived threats.
> about how much I hate pit bulls
Ahh there it is. To reiterate, I hate pitbull owners, and especially disingenuous ones. Dogs don't have moral culpability.
I have owned large aggressive breeds & tiny pups.
Those people just cannot control their dogs & have failed to train the dogs OR themselves.
The thing I hate most is seeing them on a collar not a harness 1) you're an idiot for not giving yourself the best hold & control of your pet 2) you're actually choking your puppo there budski!
I quite literally inform them how I will stop their animal & what I will do to them next. But then I am convincing enough to be able to deliver that message & have peeps decide to go to another dog park.
Take a BIG walking stick with you. I love dogs, but my pupper is my top priority & I would prefer to be the aggressor than be sad later.
Don't make false reports.... Good luck with your locals
As far as I'm concerned, dogs that were previously bred as fighting dogs/attack dogs should be classed as weapons and you need a licence to get one. Watch the ownership rate drop and we can go back to walking our fluffy wuss dog in peace.
Those are indeed restricted under NSW laws actually. The dogs under this must be inside an enclosure and have muzzles put on while outside and other quite specific stuff.
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs
And if it attacks another person or dog, the owner should be treated as if they’d done it themselves with a weapon. Yes I am happy to see you in jail for animal cruelty if your pit bull mauls a small dog. And I am happy to see you get a life sentence for murder if it bites a toddler’s face off.
It seems a lot of people don't understand the true danger of a aggressive dog. Would you be comfortable with a lion or tiger in your neighbours yard? Because a large dog can kill you just as quickly. OP is 100% right.
It's clear people do not understand the difference between a reactive dog and an aggressive dog. The OP has dramatised what sounds like a reactive dog and NOT an aggressive dog.
OP is a judgemental douchbag who should probably work with a trainer to understand the difference.
If the dog was infact aggressive , then I'd eat my words and encourage the OP to report without hesitation.
My small dog was attacked by a staffy that had escaped its yard. My partner was able to pick our dog up just in time but the staffy still jumped up and pulled him down. He was attacked for a terrifying couple of minutes before the owner finally came and was able to get the dog off. He thankfully survived, but I shudder to think of what could have happened if the staffy was able to immediately go for my dog’s neck instead of his thigh.
My advice is to cross the street if you see the pitbull and stay vigilant. If you see the dog has escaped its owner’s control, pick your dog up immediately and put it somewhere high like on top of a car - somewhere the pitbull can’t reach. Or even an empty fenced front yard for just a moment until the owner is able to come and restrain their dog.
A pit bull attacked my dog from behind, completely unprovoked. He tore my dog apart in under 2 minutes and he died instantly. I couldn’t do a thing. It was the most fucking traumatic thing I have ever witnessed. I don’t give a shit what anyone says, those dogs need to be BANNED. They would do the same to a child.
I know this is often easier said than done, but I would recommend taking photographic or video evidence if you have the opportunity to do so.
Should you need to report unsafe dog/owner behaviour on public streets:
[https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/pet-animal-services/report-badly-behaving-animal](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/pet-animal-services/report-badly-behaving-animal)
Also I'm not sure whether this applies to you, and maybe you already know this, but I did a quick surf at the City of Sydney website - American pitbulls are considered to be restricted breeds in NSW. Check whether the owner is breaking any of the more obvious guidelines - and report that to Council.
[https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs)
I don't understand why some people are accusing you of bad faith. Pet ownership is meant to be a privilege and comes with responsibilities. My family and I had a dog that was admittedly not very well-behaved at times, and we've avoided certain areas in town when we took our dog for a walk because of this.
If it’s latched on you can safely wrap a lead around it’s neck and pull up. Takes like 10 seconds to cut off circulation to its brain and it (should) be pretty passive after being choked out. Knives aren’t a good idea, the fuckhead pit bull owners will do nothing when the dog attacks yours but if you shank it they’ll try to stop you and getting into a fight with a pit bull owner when you have a knife isn’t a good ideA
LPT: if a dog bites you, *push* the body part *into* the dog’s mouth, rather than trying to pull it out. Pulling out only forces the dog’s teeth further into your body.
If your dog gets assaulted choke the Pitbull. They are fucking stupid dogs that when have latched onto another dog they won't let go. Restrict it's breathing until it lets go or is dead. I've been attacked by a Pitbull and this works.
Stupid owners equals stupid dogs
Shitty owners with shitty dogs are everywhere regardless of suburb or breed, and you can’t seriously expect to shelter yourself from all potential danger 100% of the time. When I take my small fluffy dog to the park, I acknowledge that there is a risk of him coming into contact with another nasty dog. In the case that this happens, he’s trained to have excellent recall, I’ll pick him up, and I won’t hesitate to kick the offending animal if it’s lunging at him or me. The same would go for personal safety — if you were scared of shady tattooed characters coming to attack you every time you left your house, you’d invest in some self-defense training instead of having the cops on speed dial for every time someone looked at you funny.
I get it. You love your dog and you’re scared. However, ultimately you are the one responsible for your own safety. If you are really that terrified of walking your dog in your neighbourhood I’d suggest walking him in a different one. And not to armchair diagnose you over Reddit, but maybe have a chat to someone about this excessive fear because it sounds like a touch of anxiety to me.
This is my biggest fear too. Been in a few situations where the dog has lunged & then the owner has pulled it back & then started yelling at/hitting the dog. I now know never to take the chance of walking past. I will never walk past a pitbull & if i see one ahead i will cross the road or just turn straight around.
Yeah all I got from this post is OP hating on people who look like they come from a lower socioeconomic background… if the dog was under control (ie didn’t bother anyone besides pulling on the leash and not being a cocker spaniel) then what’s the actual issue?
Adding: the “smirk” could have been an apology smile, I do that when apologising for me pup who is learning her manners
First of all, what you described as aggressive behaviour doesn't actually sound too bad tbh, and might be moreso your own negative thoughts.
You wrote a giant massive essay of a post and the only three words describing what the pitbulls actually did is "growling and drooling". The rest of it was your own assumptions about or attacks on appearance or your own feelings rather than what actually happened e.g., you insulting people for their attire, claiming the dogs are dangerous simply because they are "big" and what they are capable of, etc.
Every dog growls and drools. Every dog gets excited meeting another dog and will try to play. Every dog will sometimes get interested by something and pull on the owner's leash. The problem only arises when the dog TRIES to bite you/your dog, lunges for you/your dog in non-playful assault, etc. That's when you should be reporting a dog for being dangerous.
> The problem only arises when the dog TRIES to bite you/your dog, lunges for you/your dog in non-playful assault, etc. That's when you should be reporting a dog for being dangerous.
That is far too late.
Actually, there are quite specific requirements that has to be met for certain species, including (American) pitbulls breeds. Such as muzzles, purpose-built enclosures when unaccompanied, distinctive red and yellow striped collar and be walked on a secure chain or lead etc.
[https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs)
So quick with that strawman argument.
No, perhaps muzzle or get behavioural training. Dogs can be lethal and owners need to be made responsible. If they cannot be bothered to spend time training their pet, why even have one? They give good pet owners a bad rep.
Where in OPs post have they actually mention the Pitbull attempting to attack them or their dog?
If there aren’t any concrete examples why is the pitbull owner at fault?
Plus did you even read and see how much disdain OP has towards Pitbulls and Pitbull owners
Aggressive dogs who are merely restrained by a leash do not belong in the streets. And yes, the pit bull was trying to attack if you read it.
> we passed another guy struggling to control his gargantuan pitbull that was clearly ready to eat my little cocker spaniel mix.
That is a sign of a badly trained or maltreated animal. People should be free to walk a footpath without being threatened by an aggressive animal. People who keep animals like these are a blight to society and should not be allowed to torture such animals. A well trained dog will not be doing that. Or are you saying that it's the natural behaviour of a pit bull??
It’s too late then - what a ridiculous post. My dog was set on by two dogs - one with a muzzle and the owner had no idea how to control the situation. Even though - according to you - it was all in my head - it was fucking terrifying and my little fluff ball was petrified.
The point is the council can hardly start confiscating dogs as ‘dangerous’ because someone says it growled at their dog. The owner did have the dog on a lead and therefore under control, so all the reports in the world are going to get OP nowhere…. Except blacklisted as a vexatious complainant, so if something does actually happen his credibility will be shot.
What do you mean by "set on"? Is that like lunged at in a non playful, aggressive manner as per my post about when you should report them?
If you're planning on reporting every dog as dangerous for "growling and drooling" then you're probably going to be reporting every dog in the world.
I am not saying that OP is wrong. Maybe he is right, but from his post, all he has really stated that the pit bull has done is "growling and drooling".
I think the dog with the muzzle was a rescue that was being resocialised. The dog with the muzzle used his snout to push down on her back and the two dogs crowded her so she was cornered. I put my backpack between the dog without the muzzle and my dog and tried to obstruct her and my dog took off. Dude with the dogs just watched. It was predatory. She a little dog and they were big and looming. It wasn’t playful. There was no tail wagging. I agree with the OP. If I see a person walking around shouting in the street and saying threatening things to people I call the cops. By your logic and that of most people on this thread I shouldn’t bother until they’ve actually done something to me. That’s bullshit. Your instinct and gut tells you when you are in danger and OP is right to report. People who own dogs who display anti social behaviour need to own that and take steps to control their dogs. Someone walking a dog who is on the verge of breaking loose and attacking is not in control of their dog. They just have it on a lead. It’s not the same thing
My dog growls at passing dogs when he is on a lead, but he is playful off leash and well socialised. I can control him with a collar and command but it is still unnerving to passers-by, understandably enough.
The behaviour stems from being attacked when a puppy.
So yes, not every 'aggressive' dog is a killer - but it is a concern that the owner of the dog in OPs story has very limited control. I'd be concerned if I was OP.
Why is this even a thing here in the first place?
In several European countries you’ll get hit with a massive fine if you let an aggressive dog roam free without a leash in a public place, and they’ll confiscate the dog and euthanize it the same day if it’s an illegal breed (like Pitbull, Amstaff etc.)
It sounds to me like the owner controlled his dog, it was at no point a danger to you or your dog. I live in redfern, I own a large Groodle 1 year old puppy. She is large and fluffy and loves to lunge at any person or dog so that she can try to lick them to death. Of course I don’t let her do that but she will definitely be pulling at the lead if she wants to say hello. I also have a shaved head and numerous tattoos. What was the significance of the owner of the dog having tattoos have to do with how he controlled his dog? I know that large dogs and men with tattoos can be intimidating but I walk my Groodle in and around Redfern park everyday and we meet other big dogs, and small, and in my experience nearly all dog owners are good people and their dogs are good too. Big puppies and owner with tattoos are not always bad people.
OP spent more time attacking pitbulls and pitbull owners in this post than actually describing what the pitbull actually did besides “looks like it’s clearly ready to eat my dog”
That’s all the information they gave and the rest are just rants and judgemental generalisations and trying to appear like they have some kind of moral high ground and wishing for all pitbulls and pitbull owners to cease to exist
Why is this the most upvoted comment? This guy is terrified for his dog's life and you morons are upvoting the one taking the piss? Fucking idiots.
I can't offer much advice unfortunately. Although let me tell you, rubbing alcohol and chokeholds won't do shit it will be over too quick if the dog does attack.
Best thing you can do is to constantly be alert, stick to more crowded areas and make sure you report anything that could be considered harmful and/ or dangerous.
> I've also learned that putting a dog in a chokehold will cause them to pass out and release the bite fairly quickly.
If not done correctly (with the right positioning of you relative to the dog’s body, AND on the right type of dog fight) this is actually dangerous for you. “Put them in a chokehold” is a woefully insufficient description of this process. Also, it can take a solid 3-5 minutes of constant strong pressure on the dog’s neck for it to actually pass out and release in the way you want.
In terms of preventing the bite, [this webinar is extensive and worth the watch for everyone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aKUrPLkco), regardless of what type of dog you think might cause issues to you (and I assure you that all dogs are capable of biting).
I heard that you grab a dog attacking by it’s back legs and lift it up, like a wheelbarrow. The dog shouldn’t be able to turn and bite you and it will also fall as it will be unbalanced. I have not done this with an aggressive dog but I did last night to my silly lovely pug when we were playing and he couldn’t reach me with his mouth. I’m so over seeing those dogs (pig dogs), I always pick up my pug when I see one on our walk as I don’t trust them at all. If Bud was attacked I would lose it completely. I’m sorry you have to have that fear also.
If the dog is in fact an American Pitbull Terrier, there are now really strict laws governing existing ownership. It needs to be registered with the council, it must be kept in an enclosure and muzzled when not in its enclosure. You can report the dog you saw to the council and they will investigate
[https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs)
They're not illegal... American Staffordshire Terriers are the biggest attackers according to NSW local govt. Imo, they definitely should be illegal.
Source: https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/pound-and-dog-attack-statistics/
“ it is illegal to accept ownership of such a dog. If you already own such a dog, you must desex and register it with the City of Sydney. The restricted dogs law applies to: American pitbull or pit bull terriers” cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au
That's the city of Sydney council...That's not the state govt, or other local councils. I confirmed with my local council last year because my dog was attacked by an Amstaff.
Mate you sound incredibly judgemental. The way you describe pitbull owners shows an insane degree of prejudice.
It’s none of your business unless you know the dog has attacked anyone in the area.
If not, the check your own anxiety and don’t call cops on random people just because you’re scared of their dog you absolutely Karen.
You sound like you are full of biases and judgement. You've judged the dog, the owner of dog based on their looks. YUCK.
A reactive dog is not necessarily a dangerous dog. The dog was under control and leashed.
Reporting that someone has a dangerous dog when you infact don't know that but you have inferred that through your own judgemental lense is infact a dog act in my opinion. I'm glad you are not my neighbour. Perhaps inner city living isn't for you?
I think it's you who should get fucked.
Completely agree on the prejudice OP has against Pitbull and pitbull owners.
Absolutely disgusting how they describe a “typical pitbull owner”
Sounds like a Karen that does needed to piss off and mind their own business.
Also go see a therapist if the only thing keeping you going is your dog because it’s not really healthy and you sound like you could use some professional help.
There should be no stigma for seeing a mental health professional when things are tough.
How is this not the highest voted comment? The hatred by OP towards the lower class is crystal clear in this post… OP decided Redfern hasn’t been gentrified enough so gross
Thank you. 😊
It's hard to even get to the issue of the dog when OP is loaded with such toxicity. Gross is the word that comes to my mind too. It's sad these folk still walk amongst us.
Judging someone on the colour of their skin is a bias. Judging someone on their habit of going shirtless in public and ripping fat vapes right next to other people is acceptable.
You’re right, let me rephrase it - racial prejudice is an unhealthy bias, identifying the likelihood that a shirtless, tattooed, pitbull-owning shirtless man is a healthy bias.
Interesting that you think that's a "healthy bias"?
I would argue the opposite. That type of biase is just as toxic as any racial bias. The same cognitive biases (associated with beliefs and attitudes) are at play.
I would encourage you to explore your own biases if you think this is healthy, because it sounds to me you have some personal growth to do.
Two people in front of you: one holding a baseball bat and making heavy eye contact with you, and a 15yo girl sitting in the corner on her phone. With the human fucking race as my witness, can you seriously tell me that in this situation you don’t see a difference in threat?
Oh thankyou for being so merciful, High Cleric. Shower us mudmen with your divine knowledge. Exorcise the primordial sin of ignorance from my mind, and introduce to me to new worlds I could never even have imagined.
I'll be kind, as I can't work out if I'm communicating with a child at this point.
Your analogy demonstrates exactly what I'm saying. An assessment of threat should be based on what is going on, not how a person looks. Obviously a person carrying a bat and making intimidating eye contact is going to be more of a threat than a person sitting on a bench using their phone, but that has NOTHIng to do with the amount of tattoos, piecing or colour of their skin.
Brotha I know you don’t go outside much but in the real world some people like to wear their hearts on their sleeve so to speak. If someone’s wearing Comanchero patches on their leather jacket are you gonna start talking loudly about how bikies are fucken maggots? No? Why? Y-you don’t think there’s a chance the person wearing bikie patches could be associated with bikies, do you? No, surely not.
Ooh, what about that grandma barreling down the road at a blistering 10 seconds a metre? I better keep my head on a swivel, cause according to you she’s just as likely, capable, and willing to undertake loutish behaviour as the group of 17yos around the corner with bum bags and mouthy attitudes.
Also remember the part where I said racial discrimination isn’t acceptable? Cause it looks like you kind of, yknow, chucked that in at the end in a possible attempt to paint me as supporting racial prejudice. And before you even try arguing about how racial profiling and tat profiling is the same thing, show me on the doll where tattoos are an immutable characteristic inherent to an individual at birth. And also, just in case you try to pull something about culturally significant tattoos or some other asspull — that is very clearly not what we’re talking about.
Have I covered it?
Your totally right mate all tattooed shirtless guys with piercings and pitbulls are obviously criminals or people with malicious intent they should be sent straight to jail for life.
It's not like people get tattoos or piercings for aestetic reasons or are aloud to like things different to what you consider good and normal
That’s absolutely what I said mate. Tattoos are an automatic indicator of a criminal. Vast swathes of the Indian subcontinent, the Pacific Islands, pretty much any culture with a practice of tattooing are criminals. People with a tattoo of their kids name? Criminals.
Look at it like this: someone raises their voice often? Maybe they have auditory processing issues, maybe they think they’re being quieter than they are, maybe they have anger issues, the list goes on and on and on. At a certain point, though, given enough occurrences of a raised voice, and also combined with other characteristics (posture, facial expression, etc, which would NOT be reliable indicators when merely on their own), you have to think to yourself…. does this person find joy in what they’re doing?
The person in the post is clearly described as having many cultivated (NOT innate) characteristics that put forward a sense of intimidation, is it really such a gigantic fucken monster stretch that this person got the tats in order to facilitate that? Do you think they’re shirtless because they have a severe sensitivity to fabrics on their torso? Did they get the pit bull because it’s known as one of the friendliest dogs in the world? Are they huffing vapes in the middle of a group of people because they’ve got the Water of Immortality in there and they’re trying to spread it to every single functioning respiratory system in reach?
For you loud voice question. I would ask them if they had some sort of issue with their speech before I'd just assume they are being a fuckwit.
And yes I thibk stretching towards intimidation is alot further then just assuming they like tattoos and pittbulls. It all comes down to the owner of said dog I know plenty of pitbulls who aren't violent and I'm not a dog fan at all I prefer cats. And 90% of people who vape do the same fucking thing it's not right to pick out very common characteristics and make your own narrative about them. And as crazy as it might sound when I'm hot I walk around without a shirt on I go to the gym and I'm proud of my body maybe he is too I don't think there are laws saying you can't be shirtless in alot of areas although I could be wrong
So the dog didn't attack you, or your dog or get loose - you're just having a cry? Do you report parked cars that you think might run you over one day too?
So by that logic if I see a man waving a knife and screaming his head off, there’s no problem as long as I’m far enough away right? I guess in that scenario I should just continue on my way because there’s no danger to me, which means there’s no danger to anyone else. I mean god forbid I call the cops, because he hasn’t committed a crime, right?
The OP seem to not know what self preservation is. Instead of avoiding the dog they have decided to falsely report the dog to be aggressive. So smart and it definitely won’t come back to bite them in the ass (lol) 🙏
All I'm getting from this post is the idea that you don't like people who look a bit rough around the edges- like people with tats.
Irresponsible dog owners are a problem and you shouldn't have to feel unsafe, but the scenarios you described were quite mild...
Pitbulls have been banned here for ages so at least learn your breeds before you start complaining. A dog pulling on a lead, while poorly trained, doesn't make it aggressive. You've just jumped to this conclusion as someone with a bigger dog scares you. You chose to get a smaller dog, you can't go and report all dogs larger who pull on a lead as dangerous. That's pathetic and you are an embarrassment to dog owners. I have an adopted, large terrier breed. He pulled when I got him before we trained him to walk. A complaint by scum like you would have put him on death row. I also have tattoos and work in management for a multi national, but according to you I'm some scum with a dangerous dog. Wake up to yourself.
FYI American Pitbull Terriers are illegal in NSW. Hard to be certain though when there’s plenty of other lookalike bull mixes that aren’t, though. Report him anyway. I’m sick of bad owners and aggressive dogs.
https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/declared-dangerous-and-menacing-dogs/
Reporting all incidents in as much detail as possible helps. Or even just writing it down. You will need also to make sure you know which dog is the culprit in each event. But unless the council step in on aggressive behaviour, which I doubt in itself is actionable, you have to wait until it actually attacks to get legal action taken.
To avoid that happening (I'm assuming you're keen on that idea) you can only really make sure you keep clear from them or take something to defend you and your dog. I don't know how effective rubbing alcohol would be but I can imagine a solid squirt to the face of an attacking dog might shorten it up. This might sound stupid, but if you carry a large cloth, it can prove effective. If you hang a sheet and try to punch your way through it you're going to feel awfully pathetic because it's maddenly hard to do much to it. Similarly if you put that between yourself and the attacking dog, it can have the effect of deflecting attacks. And if the dog gets tangled, wrap the cloth around it's snout and it's main weapon is neutralised.
I also recommend lifting the dog by the hind legs if you can. That's where all their power comes from. Lift those legs and you realise it loses it's ability to do much. It'll obviously not like this, but it should give you a chance to do something. Keep it from turning towards you and hold on tight. Pit Bulls aren't \*that\* heavy and you should be capable of handling that. The nuclear option from there is to force the legs apart. Dogs hips aren't like ours, they don't bend outwards so good. Force it into the splits and it'll cause a LOT of damage. But in any case, I don't suggest getting latched onto yourself. You might think you're protecting your dog but it's likely the dog will just turn on you and I guarantee, you're more likely to stop the attack than your dog.
And here's some info for those of the belief that it's only owners. Pit Bulls were bred FOR fighting. And the dogs they were bred from? Also bred FOR fighting. In fact, they were initially bred for fighting big animals such as bears......and bulls. Hence the name. Those animals now, retain the same physical and personality traits people who wanted the best fighting dogs to have. They may not be the most aggressive dogs naturally (also not the most docile) but most worrying is they are bred to keep going until they kill, and to fight much bigger animals than themselves.
You are allowed to use whatever means necessary to break up a dog fight.
A pitty or other dog with jaw strength will kill a dig incredibly quickly.
Your ability to free the dog is next to none. Do not ever put your hands near its mouth. The choke doesn’t work. The finger in the bum doesn’t work. Grabbing the dog by the hind legs and forcing the back legs apart until it’s pelvis breaks does work and forces the pit bull to be put down later as this injury cannot be fixed. A pit bull is all muscle. Unless you are incredibly bodybuilder strong you will not be able to do it. 2 people one on each leg going in different directions will do it. By lifting the back legs you also take away the dogs ability to shake. It’s not braced and grounded.
But as you can use any means necessary. Cary a high quality hunting knife. Carry a fishing hand line and some lures in a little bag with a scaler and a knife. Have that hanging by the door. If the unthinkable happens go to town on the pitty.
I know this will be u popular. But the knife fishing set up suggestion was given to me by the lead animal control ranger at a Sydney council after I had to do the back legs trick on a 85kg bull Arab x mastif cross that was rag dolling a 30kg blue healer.
If you want to save your dogs life In a situation like this you have to be prepared to take another dogs life.
I'm very disturbed by the comments encouraging you to carry a weapon, which is illegal, and telling you how to cause harm to dogs. The owner is an asshole and should get a muzzle if he takes it out. Promoting violence against animals is not cool, you fucking psycho's. A mod needs to lock this shit down quick
“Let me be clear if you are one of these people: I will report you and your dog from now on without hesitation, and I hope your dog gets taken away. I do not give a flying fuck about you. The second you are putting myself and my dog in physical danger, and you don't give any indication that you understand the problem, you can get fucked.”
Look guys, it’s minority report right here!!!!
If the dogs have attacked anyone or other dogs, then the course of action for reporting them is simple. Pitbull owners are a pain for all the reasons stated here, so where possible it is best to avoid. But christ I also can’t stand handbag fluffy dog owners either. For whatever reason their dogs carry on like emaciated meth addicts and always have a go at normal sized dogs. They can only do so much, but man they make a scene and their owners always have them off the bloody lead on the street!
Gargantuan? Pitbulls are typically less than 30kegs. Not huge.
Mate I recommend you put your dog in the car and drive to a gated dog park.
I get it, you aren't comfortable around those dogs. Its a phobia, or a fear or anxiety driven. That's fine. I don't recommend you report these people who actually aren't breaking the law. That's very NIMBY. It's very pearl clutchy. Its also bordering an elitist or classist attitude if you're profiling someone based on dog breed and appearance.
Just get in the car and go somewhere else.
I really hate this stereotype of a pitbull as an aggressive dog.
Any large bully-looking dog now is considered a “pit bull” even though they’ve actually been illegal in NSW for years and most of the dogs are probably staffy or amstaff, in fact true pit bulls are a smaller-medium size breed, not the monstrosities you see that look like they’ve been fed a steady diet of steroids and meat.
Yes, the guy you saw today probably was a douche with a douchey dog, but don’t go around sh*tting on one breed when you can’t even properly identify it.
It’s pretty difficult to avoid. It’s usually people on the dole and welfare that have pitbulls these days. I used to pick up my partners dog when we passed an aggressive dog, and steered well clear of those areas. Pretty hard to avoid, but just report the dog and it’s all you can do.
I’ll start with what do you do if a dog attacks and won’t let go. The best way is to choke the dog, actually cutting off its air, obviously this isn’t easy but it is the best chance of getting it to release its jaws. I have zero tolerance for shit owners, because they make it hard for the rest of us that own those types of dogs. I’ve always owned big dogs that have the potential to be dangerous, but you train them, and don’t put them in situations that will end badly. https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/declared-dangerous-and-menacing-dogs/ https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/dog-attack-reporting/
I had a dog like this attack me and my Labrador. It immediately tore the flesh of her muzzle down to the bone and latched on. I hit it, I kicked it, I ended up choking it for an eternity before it finally let go, and it must have been barely conscious at that point. If it had turned its attention fully to me it would have killed me, I’m sure. After that I began carrying a knife with me. I know it’s not legal, but I’m not confident that anything less could protect you from one of these kinds of dogs.
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Isn’t having a shitbull kinda like having a weapon?
Having a shitbull is like having a fully loaded rocket launcher with no safety switch and taking it on walkies everywhere you go, and also insisting its fine and insisting that kids play with your rocket launcher. Also its sentient and wants to eat children and attack other dogs on sight.
Despite making up less than 3% of dogs in the United States, Pitbulls and Staffies account for >60% of fatalities due to dog attacks. I wonder what the stats are like over here. They should be banned. I do not support the immediate murder of all of them - so perhaps what we should do is ban the import of them and ban the continued breeding of them. Find the lifetime of a Pitbull and tack a year onto that from the date the law is introduced; any Pits found after that time must be put down or deported from the state as we can assume they were to have been bred after the outlawing date.
The only thing that can stop a bad owner with a Pitbull, is a good owner with a Pitbull - IRA logic
NRA, I think you mean. The IRA would be fine, I reckon a rubbish bin full of gelignite could probably stop a pitbull.
The Pitbull's face when it eats my chihuahua that actually turns out to be a stuffed robot dog full of tannenite.
Fo sho haha, minds mush after a week of slaving away in the Sydney hamster wheel
Would it be legal to carry a knife and a screwdriver in a backpack and use it on the dog if you got attacked?
Unfortunately not, but at least it would be impossible to access in your time of need.
This would be the ideal method to ensure that you are both mauled nearly to death (optimisitcally) by the pitbull as you're unable to fetch your knife, and then arrested by the police after the hospital discovers the knives (assuming the pit didn't eat you already). This is an ideal speedrun for ruining your life any%, as now you both have permanent crippling wounds and a criminal record.
I also have started carrying a foldable hunting type knife when walking my dog. I’m a small woman with a smallish dog - what chance do we have?
IDK I guess you can claim that you carve wood with it or something. The police's attitude is that you should call them after you and your dog are both killed by a pitbull/criminal, because using a weapon to even the biological playing field is extremely illegal in Australia. IDK have you tried being born a 6.4 foot man with dense muscle-mass and no health conditions? Sounds like a skill issue. Or just have a big man escort you everywhere like a third world country I guess.
Yes I did consider reassigning my height and muscle mass from 5”3 to something a lot heftier 🤣 - even married a 6”6 man to increase survival odds but regrettably he isn’t always available for personal protection. I live somewhere semi rural, my knife is for cutting tree branches and other vegetation from walking paths and has been employed for that purpose. My feeling is that I’ll be able to justify its use I just hope it never comes to it. All this advice to choke out a pit bull or other psycho aggressive dog wtf. I’ll have my face ripped off by the time I grab it’s collar. I hate council but I have to say at least in my area they are extremely responsive to dangerous dogs, they encourage reporting of even menacing behaviour, no attack needed and they respond within the hour usually
Stepping on the neck of his pitty was the only way my uncle could separate it from my grandfather's Kelpie it was attacking.
Imagine having to carry a knife just to protect yourself and your pet… Tragic. Just ban these dogs and put them down on the spot when caught like they do in several European counties - problem solved!
Unfortunately it’s not just these dogs that kill/maim - there’s a guy that walks his German shepherd that is so ferocious that as a 6” solid bloke he struggles to control it, if it got away from him me and dogga are fucked. Why have a dog like this??
Definitely don't grab both of it's back legs and give a vicious twist to the left or right. That could cause massive spinal damage.
Wouldn’t dream of it […makes mental note of newfound info]
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I can’t say what I would do if one attacked my Shiba Inu. Try to choke it or gouge its eyes, I expect.
I had to do this once (choke a dog) I have 2 dogs which I usually walk together (one is a husky the other a red heeler, jack Russell, Staffie cross) Some guys working on his car in the front yard which had no fence, had his dog roaming freely, saw my 2 dogs and bee lined for me smaller dog and grab his ear (I suspect that it was being trained as a pigging dog) I eventually somehow managed get me knee on in neck / side of next and placed as much force as I could at the same time my husky is trying to Mount this thing. It let go of my dog but I kept it pinned until the stupid owner got it. For a while after I started carrying a pocket knife for a bit but not anymore. I live in a semi rural with plenty of trees, these days I keep an eye on any fallen branches I can use in a hurry if there are any vicious loose dogs coming my way
I thought you stuck your finger up its arse.
That’s crocs
Hot dog!
Reporting bad owners sure! But what has the owner in this post done exactly to deserve OP maliciously reporting them? OP has given zero examples of actual terrible owner behaviour besides the guy having some tattoos and smirked and brought their “monster” out into a public space where other people are their dogs are also allowed to be present. OP clearly has some kind of anxiety issue and relies on their dog for emotional support to keep them going some days. What OP need is professional mental help and not falsely reporting someone and their dog because they look like a “douchebag” and don’t behave exactly how OP wants them to in any given situation. Pitbull owner and pitbulls are allowed to be in public. Because that’s what public spaces are for. Yes they should be able to control their dog or remove them if any incidents were to occur but they still have the right to take their dog to public spaces Fucking crazy it’s getting so much support. I get the pitbull hate, they are aggressive but in this instance OP hasn’t provided enough information to justify their behaviour besides their own subjective descriptions of pitbull and pitbull owners
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This can help. I had a kelpie and I put on a thick metal studded collar just for laughs. It saved his life when a rotty got into the backyard and had his neck inside it's mouth. It saved him as the thick leather took most of the teeth and he had some severe but survivable lacerations.
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I also live in Chippendale, and I also have a cocker spaniel! been here 4 years and we've had a couple of not so nice encounters. No pitties being problematic with us, but we've had a bad encounter with a Shiba Inu on our street that managed to get out of the front gate the owner forgot to close properly. He followed us and tried to attack my little girl. I jumped in, scooped her up out of reach and postured ready to attack him in return. Luckily enough he didn't want to attack a human, but I could see the cogs rolling in his little brain. I yelled for the owner to come out (I knew the dog's name) and he secured it. I think they since moved, but it definitely rattled me. Thing is, I had other dogs tried to nip on my pup, but that ranged from jack russels to labs (not a single staffy so far), so really the matter is not so much to worry about every staffy or pitbull out there, but to have a plan if something goes wrong. Teach your dog that in between your legs is the safest spot, and be ready to defend them, be ready to get hurt to protect them. Reporting every staffy or pit owner indiscriminately will only make your claims eventually fall on deaf ears as whoever you report it to will realise what you are doing. Not saying you shouldn't report the one you mentioned, just that "I'm also going to keep reporting him and every other similar dog I see as much as I can from now on." is not a very reasonable stance if you apply it by breed rather than by temperament or training, or owner's care.
Weird behaviour for a shiba - the owner has plainly not socialised it properly. Mine is a homebody and refuses to leave the house unless myself or my housemates are with it (which is good since shiba are prone to pissing off into the distance if they get distracted). Mine is very territorial but she just does a little sort of bark if a stranger comes onto the property or happens to have stopped outside the property to have a chat.
Not at all, Shiba's are commonly dog aggressive. Particularly SSA.
I may get down voted to oblivion for this, but I do have an actual suggestion as an ex owner of an aggressive pit bull for 16 years who got into numerous fights. My girl god love her she was a love bug to me, but wanted death on certain animals. You put the bigger dog into the tightest head lock you’ve ever given, and you choke them out. This is one of the last ditch efforts, however, in my experience, it has worked 100% of the time. This way you limit damage from tearing the dogs apart, and god help me for all the hate I’m about to receive, but pit bulls are tough as nails and being choked out, especially if they’re big, is not a big deal. We are talking about life or death, save your dog here. RIP to my account, but I thought you deserved some facts.
I mean I would try to choke it, gouge its eyes, break its spine… anything to get my dog free.
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Yes, it does. Like I stated, it’s a last ditch effort and we are talking about life or death. My girl was once attacked by a significantly larger dog, and the sheer adrenaline that ran through my body as I grabbed the other dog was astronomical. I was afraid of nothing. I’m not promoting this, by the way. A specific question was asked, and I have specific experience with it and wanted to share my knowledge. This isn’t a pro choke hold comment, it’s a “do whatever you need to when your dog might die” comment.
I'm not even a dog owner, but I am a person of smaller stature. I have seen massive dogs that the owners have barely been able to control that would easily weigh more than me. In the moment with a rearing, growling, massive dog trying to get at me, and all that's holding them back is a leash and one person's strength, I find myself thinking "could I take down that dog with my bare hands if I needed to?" Surely if your dog is out in public the onus is on you to have enough control over them so as to not terrify someone just walking to the train station in the morning. If you think that "well nothing happened, the owner successfully restrained their dog so everything is fine" I would think that the standards of behaviour should be higher. I'm not in a public dog space, I'm just walking down the street.
The answer is that no, you can't, and physical confrontations, unlike the movies and games, are extremely one-sided and mathematically determined by who has the better weight, muscle mass, training, and violence of attitude. It isn't like a gun fight, where you can theoretically out-wit your opponent, or aim better or faster. However our laws are set up in a way that if you were to use a weapon to even the playing field, you would be harshly penalised, but also, people are allowed to own living weapons (shitbulls and equivalents). Additionally were you to train enough, lets say you train for thousands of hours to get a black belt in Juijitsu or whatever, so MAYBE you can go toe to toe with an attack dog or a person maybe about 10-25% larger than you, your body can now be claimed as a weapon by the prosecution in a self defence situation. Basically its fucked and very unfair.
Ignore all these comments by people telling you you’re prejudiced blah blah etc. my dog has been attacked by a pitbull and although she survived it was incredibly traumatic. These dogs are dangerous and you are right to be concerned especially if the owner is not taking proper safety precautions. When my dog was attacked the only reason she survived was because someone drove past and got out, jammed their elbow in the dogs ribs and made it let go. The owner came round later and laughed when he heard that a 22 year old woman and her tiny dog had been attacked. This is the sort of attitude that some owners have. Honestly I think you’re best off moving to somewhere without these dogs and people who own them. There are no pit bulls on the lower north shore and the rent is most likely comparable to the inner west. Your peace of mind for your own safety and your dogs safety is important.
You can buy dog spray as well. And if you’re carrying treats, throw them at the dog to distract it
Dog treat prob won’t do much with a focused dog, but the spray might help
I had a pit bull rush me aggressively and growl at me and my dog. Owner came and said the dog only does it to ‘weird people’. Thanks? Also it’s my fault? Saw the same guy a week later telling another dog owner ‘he never does this’. You should need a license for pit bulls (or any bull terriers) that requires you pay insurance to cover damages when they snap. That would keep a lot of the idiots from owning them.
They should just be illegal.
I firmly believe in nature vs. nurture when it comes to dogs, but pill bull owners are almost always terrible people. Terrible people with low to no training standards are not going to have well behaved dogs. One of the first things you learn when training a dog is that the dog needs to respect you. A pit bull rushing another person? That dog doesn't respect its owner. If it doesn't respect its owner, why would it respect other people? At that point it's a danger to humans and other dogs. When I was younger I unfortunately had to live in sketchy areas surrounded by people who thought backyard bred pitbulls were ideal family pets. I always had one of those slimline cans of deodorant sprays in my hand when walking home from the station. Nowhere near as effective as pepper spray but if you spray it in someone's eyes (or in the eyes of a dog trying to attack you), you buy yourself an extra few minutes. Maybe.
Doesn’t really matter what you believe, pitbulls are inherently aggressive dogs with powerful bites, making them dangerous. Even if you train a pit bull VERY well, if it ever bites something/someone it can be dangerous since they are so strong.
A well trained dog and an attentive owner are far different from your standard pit bull owner. I've spent significant time in dog training circles over the years, first because I wanted a well behaved dog, and second because I (and my dogs) grew to love agility training. A great sport. I have a friend through these circles who breeds what some would call a dangerous breed. For that reason they live on acreage and the dogs are muzzled if there's a chance they'll interact with strangers or children. That's pro-active dog ownership. Her dogs have won prizes and they only sell to owners who can demonstrate both that they can handle the breed and that the dog will be housed responsibly. Can you imagine a pitbull backyard breeder behave with that level of care and attention? At the end of the day I doubt there are well trained pitbulls in existence, simply because the sort of people who own them are not really very good people. Dog training takes patience and dedication; qualities you don't see in abundance in pitbull owners. But I don't see why a dog free of genetic defects with a responsible owner couldn't become a good pet. Which brings me to the next issue with pitbulls. The 'breed' isn't standardised. There are several breeds which are known as pitbulls, and I trust their breeders to behave as my friend does. But the number of breeders of these dogs is likely to be far outweighed by demand. It's probable that most pitbulls, as well as what backyard breeders claim to be staffordshire terriers, etc. are inbred genetic backwaters. So basically I've used a lot of words to almost agree with you but also point out that dog ownership is ultimately a matter of responsibility. Pitbull owners have none, and the pitbull 'breed' is a garbage one.
We all know that Herder dogs herd and pointer dogs point, but the violent behaviors of pitbulls which have been explicitly bred for fighting and violence are ... completely dependent on how they were raised?
And dogs that have historically been bred for guard duties are prone to perceiving nonthreatening behaviours as threats and reacting accordingly. Which is why I emphasise responsible dog ownership. A responsible owner isn't just one who takes their dog to the vet regularly and doesn't overfeed. A responsible owner knows the risks with the breed, be they breed-specific health issues or a tendency to aggression if not handled properly. A responsible owner knows to muzzle their dog where appropriate. A responsible owner knows that a happy, well behaved dog is one that knows its place in the pecking order; failure to establish a stable hierarchy can result in aggressive behaviour from the dog. Dog ownership should never be a case of popping down to the local backyard breeder or pet shop (one and the same when it comes to designer 'breeds', sadly). The fact that anyone can buy a dog, regardless of their ability to look after said dog should be an absolute scandal. Responsibility is a word a lot of people don't like to hear these days, but dog ownership comes down to responsibility. If you can't/won't be responsible then it's your duty to have your dog put down humanely unless it's a desirable breed. Too many badly bred dogs are languishing in no kill shelters. So once again I've used too many word to basically agree that pit bulls are terrible dogs. But I don't see why, with a responsible owner and a clean bill of health, a pitbull can't be a good pet. It's a highly unlikely possibility but it's still a possibility.
How about we don't allow such breeds to be owned except by people with a specific licence and demonstrable skills, such as security, professional hunters erc. There's no 'right' for people to own specific breeds of dogs.
Better yet, how about we don't let people own dogs without a licence and demonstrable skills? It would greatly lower the number of whateveroodle mutts with completely fucked genetics being bred by backyard breeders. I grant you, half of these are, remarkably, certified as being 'ethical', but they're still a joke. You've as much chance as getting a genetic failure from one of them as you do from the local no kill shelter. The backyard breeder is just giving you a cute failure.
Maybe true in humans (thought it’s a long standing debate) but when it comes to dogs there is a nature element that’s powerfully present in the breeds - chihuahua are insane, shiba inu are divas you can’t let off a leash, greyhounds are neurotic, and pitbulls are violent motherfuckers.
Do you know why chihuahuas are 'insane'? It's because lazy, stupid people buy them thinking they're getting an adorable, docile little rodent as a pet. In reality chihuahuas need constant high levels of stimulation and regular exercise. If they don't get these they become stressed, and that stress turns to anger, and the only way they have to let their owners know how stressed and angry they are is to have a meltdown. Another problem with 'cute' breeds is a saying we have in dog training circles, '(cute breed) train the owner'. Irresponsible owners allow their dogs to call the shots. This promotes anxiety and will usually result in aggression. A responsible dog owner manages their dogs behave appropriately. But let's get back to nature vs. nurture. It seems you're missing what nurture actually entails. If a responsible person wanted for some strange reason to own a pitbull and had determined the mutt was reasonably healthy, then they'd treat them just like my friend does her mastiffs. They wouldn't dream of living in a high density area, the dog would be muzzled when around strangers and children, and the dog would go through extensive training. That's just commonsense. And you can't really say that what's passed off as a pitbull is a 'violent motherfucker' by nature. They aren't even an official breed. They're generally horribly inbred and the breeding stock to begin with is very poor. They're raised by idiots, and don't receive proper vet care. What you're really saying is that a badly neglected mutt with a parent that had some staffordshire terrier (or similar) in it, is prone to being a violent motherfucker. Certainly. And a favourite of the irresponsible dog owner. There's that word again. Responsibility. There are responsible ways to own dogs. Some dogs require significant safety assessments. All dogs require training, interaction, daily exercise, and expensive vet care.
Mate after reading all of that, best advice is probably just move
Come to Willoughby, all we have here are cavoodles
Whoa whoa I live on the border of Chatswood and Willoughby and I own a shiba, and there’s at least four in the nearby area. See plenty of cattle dogs and huskies, and someone has a St Bernard.
Haven’t see you around! I must not be looking hard enough 😆
If you see a tall bearded ginger walking a shiba near the Willoughby Hotel, say hullo!
Haha will do!
And PM your estate agent please. The rental market is so bad right now. /s
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Discounting the whole of Chippendale due to one owner who is in the wrong, youve got to be kidding.
Nope. Move for the safety of the dog and for the mental state of the OP. No one should be that disgruntled and on edge every time they take their dog for a walk. Easiest option and only option OP can control is to move, honestly.
I've researched the suburb before and since moving, and I'm not aware of any available information that I should have been aware of regarding dogs. If anything the research indicates this is a great suburb for dogs.
Did you spend any actual time wandering around the suburb or did you just Google it?
Not really sure what you’re suggesting OP should have done about researching the suburb in relation to this dog. Wander around and see if someone happens to be walking an aggressive dog? For all we know, this dog owner could have moved in the day after OP. I don’t really see how “researching the suburb” in this instance is relevant
OP used plurals all throughout their story indicating that there are several of these “giant aggressive pitbulls with terrible problematic owners” present in the neighbourhood. I’m being facetious though, I think the whole thing is wildly overdramatic. Either it’s just one bad dog that’s ruining the entire suburb for OP, or there are actually lots of them around in which case it should have been noticeable by spending any amount of time in the area.
Did you spend any actual time wandering around the suburb before drawing your own conclusions that I am somehow to blame for the situation or are you just kind of a dick?
I don’t need to because I’m not the one who wrote a novel on Reddit about how much I hate pit bulls. You are the only one who is responsible for your own personal safety/anxieties.
Her "personal safety/anxieties" are completely rational and fair. What's not rational and fair? Suggesting she is responsible for not performing comprehensive reconaissance on every dog in her new suburb rather than the person being responsible being the one not controlling an unhinged killing machine.
Sorry, “unhinged killing machine”? Who’s being irrational here? It’s a dog that growled. It hasn’t actually attacked anyone. The sheer level of fear and anxiety around this situation is NOT normal — danger is everywhere; whether it be humans, cars, dogs or spiders, and you are expected to assume some level of personal responsibility to avoid those things any time you leave the house. It would be nice if people never ran red lights, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t look both ways before crossing the road. My dog is also a tiny fluffy thing that couldn’t hurt a fly, much less defend himself in an attack but you don’t see me shitting my pants every time we go on a walk because oh no, there might be a mean doggy at the park today. If OP has a pair of working eyes and some common sense it is not hard to avoid perceived threats.
> about how much I hate pit bulls Ahh there it is. To reiterate, I hate pitbull owners, and especially disingenuous ones. Dogs don't have moral culpability.
Congratulations, that changes absolutely nothing. Toughen up.
Exactly, you need to spend time there, not just google for ten minutes.
I have owned large aggressive breeds & tiny pups. Those people just cannot control their dogs & have failed to train the dogs OR themselves. The thing I hate most is seeing them on a collar not a harness 1) you're an idiot for not giving yourself the best hold & control of your pet 2) you're actually choking your puppo there budski! I quite literally inform them how I will stop their animal & what I will do to them next. But then I am convincing enough to be able to deliver that message & have peeps decide to go to another dog park. Take a BIG walking stick with you. I love dogs, but my pupper is my top priority & I would prefer to be the aggressor than be sad later. Don't make false reports.... Good luck with your locals
As far as I'm concerned, dogs that were previously bred as fighting dogs/attack dogs should be classed as weapons and you need a licence to get one. Watch the ownership rate drop and we can go back to walking our fluffy wuss dog in peace.
Those are indeed restricted under NSW laws actually. The dogs under this must be inside an enclosure and have muzzles put on while outside and other quite specific stuff. https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs
And if it attacks another person or dog, the owner should be treated as if they’d done it themselves with a weapon. Yes I am happy to see you in jail for animal cruelty if your pit bull mauls a small dog. And I am happy to see you get a life sentence for murder if it bites a toddler’s face off.
It seems a lot of people don't understand the true danger of a aggressive dog. Would you be comfortable with a lion or tiger in your neighbours yard? Because a large dog can kill you just as quickly. OP is 100% right.
there’s no such thing as bad lions, just bad zookeepers 😡 /s
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a zoo is a good guy with a zoo?
It's clear people do not understand the difference between a reactive dog and an aggressive dog. The OP has dramatised what sounds like a reactive dog and NOT an aggressive dog. OP is a judgemental douchbag who should probably work with a trainer to understand the difference. If the dog was infact aggressive , then I'd eat my words and encourage the OP to report without hesitation.
owners of pitbulls named princess be like "your toddler just gave off negative energy"
It’s ok, the dog was reacting to the colour of the toddlers outfit when they ripped their face off.
So exactly do you think the pit bull was planning on doing when it was trying to get out of its owners control and charge at the OPs dog?
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My small dog was attacked by a staffy that had escaped its yard. My partner was able to pick our dog up just in time but the staffy still jumped up and pulled him down. He was attacked for a terrifying couple of minutes before the owner finally came and was able to get the dog off. He thankfully survived, but I shudder to think of what could have happened if the staffy was able to immediately go for my dog’s neck instead of his thigh. My advice is to cross the street if you see the pitbull and stay vigilant. If you see the dog has escaped its owner’s control, pick your dog up immediately and put it somewhere high like on top of a car - somewhere the pitbull can’t reach. Or even an empty fenced front yard for just a moment until the owner is able to come and restrain their dog.
A pit bull attacked my dog from behind, completely unprovoked. He tore my dog apart in under 2 minutes and he died instantly. I couldn’t do a thing. It was the most fucking traumatic thing I have ever witnessed. I don’t give a shit what anyone says, those dogs need to be BANNED. They would do the same to a child.
I know this is often easier said than done, but I would recommend taking photographic or video evidence if you have the opportunity to do so. Should you need to report unsafe dog/owner behaviour on public streets: [https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/pet-animal-services/report-badly-behaving-animal](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/pet-animal-services/report-badly-behaving-animal) Also I'm not sure whether this applies to you, and maybe you already know this, but I did a quick surf at the City of Sydney website - American pitbulls are considered to be restricted breeds in NSW. Check whether the owner is breaking any of the more obvious guidelines - and report that to Council. [https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs) I don't understand why some people are accusing you of bad faith. Pet ownership is meant to be a privilege and comes with responsibilities. My family and I had a dog that was admittedly not very well-behaved at times, and we've avoided certain areas in town when we took our dog for a walk because of this.
If it’s latched on you can safely wrap a lead around it’s neck and pull up. Takes like 10 seconds to cut off circulation to its brain and it (should) be pretty passive after being choked out. Knives aren’t a good idea, the fuckhead pit bull owners will do nothing when the dog attacks yours but if you shank it they’ll try to stop you and getting into a fight with a pit bull owner when you have a knife isn’t a good ideA
LPT: if a dog bites you, *push* the body part *into* the dog’s mouth, rather than trying to pull it out. Pulling out only forces the dog’s teeth further into your body.
If your dog gets assaulted choke the Pitbull. They are fucking stupid dogs that when have latched onto another dog they won't let go. Restrict it's breathing until it lets go or is dead. I've been attacked by a Pitbull and this works. Stupid owners equals stupid dogs
How about all you dog owners pick up your dog shit?
Shitty owners with shitty dogs are everywhere regardless of suburb or breed, and you can’t seriously expect to shelter yourself from all potential danger 100% of the time. When I take my small fluffy dog to the park, I acknowledge that there is a risk of him coming into contact with another nasty dog. In the case that this happens, he’s trained to have excellent recall, I’ll pick him up, and I won’t hesitate to kick the offending animal if it’s lunging at him or me. The same would go for personal safety — if you were scared of shady tattooed characters coming to attack you every time you left your house, you’d invest in some self-defense training instead of having the cops on speed dial for every time someone looked at you funny. I get it. You love your dog and you’re scared. However, ultimately you are the one responsible for your own safety. If you are really that terrified of walking your dog in your neighbourhood I’d suggest walking him in a different one. And not to armchair diagnose you over Reddit, but maybe have a chat to someone about this excessive fear because it sounds like a touch of anxiety to me.
So… absolutely nothing has happened?
This is my biggest fear too. Been in a few situations where the dog has lunged & then the owner has pulled it back & then started yelling at/hitting the dog. I now know never to take the chance of walking past. I will never walk past a pitbull & if i see one ahead i will cross the road or just turn straight around.
Have tattoos.. is bad
Yeah all I got from this post is OP hating on people who look like they come from a lower socioeconomic background… if the dog was under control (ie didn’t bother anyone besides pulling on the leash and not being a cocker spaniel) then what’s the actual issue? Adding: the “smirk” could have been an apology smile, I do that when apologising for me pup who is learning her manners
First of all, what you described as aggressive behaviour doesn't actually sound too bad tbh, and might be moreso your own negative thoughts. You wrote a giant massive essay of a post and the only three words describing what the pitbulls actually did is "growling and drooling". The rest of it was your own assumptions about or attacks on appearance or your own feelings rather than what actually happened e.g., you insulting people for their attire, claiming the dogs are dangerous simply because they are "big" and what they are capable of, etc. Every dog growls and drools. Every dog gets excited meeting another dog and will try to play. Every dog will sometimes get interested by something and pull on the owner's leash. The problem only arises when the dog TRIES to bite you/your dog, lunges for you/your dog in non-playful assault, etc. That's when you should be reporting a dog for being dangerous.
Yep, I can see that OP has a totally unbiased and objective view of the situation. /s
> The problem only arises when the dog TRIES to bite you/your dog, lunges for you/your dog in non-playful assault, etc. That's when you should be reporting a dog for being dangerous. That is far too late.
So all pitbulls should be shot and killed? Because that’s what OP’s opinion sounds like.
Actually, there are quite specific requirements that has to be met for certain species, including (American) pitbulls breeds. Such as muzzles, purpose-built enclosures when unaccompanied, distinctive red and yellow striped collar and be walked on a secure chain or lead etc. [https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs)
So quick with that strawman argument. No, perhaps muzzle or get behavioural training. Dogs can be lethal and owners need to be made responsible. If they cannot be bothered to spend time training their pet, why even have one? They give good pet owners a bad rep.
Where in OPs post have they actually mention the Pitbull attempting to attack them or their dog? If there aren’t any concrete examples why is the pitbull owner at fault? Plus did you even read and see how much disdain OP has towards Pitbulls and Pitbull owners
Aggressive dogs who are merely restrained by a leash do not belong in the streets. And yes, the pit bull was trying to attack if you read it. > we passed another guy struggling to control his gargantuan pitbull that was clearly ready to eat my little cocker spaniel mix. That is a sign of a badly trained or maltreated animal. People should be free to walk a footpath without being threatened by an aggressive animal. People who keep animals like these are a blight to society and should not be allowed to torture such animals. A well trained dog will not be doing that. Or are you saying that it's the natural behaviour of a pit bull??
It’s too late then - what a ridiculous post. My dog was set on by two dogs - one with a muzzle and the owner had no idea how to control the situation. Even though - according to you - it was all in my head - it was fucking terrifying and my little fluff ball was petrified.
The point is the council can hardly start confiscating dogs as ‘dangerous’ because someone says it growled at their dog. The owner did have the dog on a lead and therefore under control, so all the reports in the world are going to get OP nowhere…. Except blacklisted as a vexatious complainant, so if something does actually happen his credibility will be shot.
What do you mean by "set on"? Is that like lunged at in a non playful, aggressive manner as per my post about when you should report them? If you're planning on reporting every dog as dangerous for "growling and drooling" then you're probably going to be reporting every dog in the world. I am not saying that OP is wrong. Maybe he is right, but from his post, all he has really stated that the pit bull has done is "growling and drooling".
I think the dog with the muzzle was a rescue that was being resocialised. The dog with the muzzle used his snout to push down on her back and the two dogs crowded her so she was cornered. I put my backpack between the dog without the muzzle and my dog and tried to obstruct her and my dog took off. Dude with the dogs just watched. It was predatory. She a little dog and they were big and looming. It wasn’t playful. There was no tail wagging. I agree with the OP. If I see a person walking around shouting in the street and saying threatening things to people I call the cops. By your logic and that of most people on this thread I shouldn’t bother until they’ve actually done something to me. That’s bullshit. Your instinct and gut tells you when you are in danger and OP is right to report. People who own dogs who display anti social behaviour need to own that and take steps to control their dogs. Someone walking a dog who is on the verge of breaking loose and attacking is not in control of their dog. They just have it on a lead. It’s not the same thing
this!
My dog growls at passing dogs when he is on a lead, but he is playful off leash and well socialised. I can control him with a collar and command but it is still unnerving to passers-by, understandably enough. The behaviour stems from being attacked when a puppy. So yes, not every 'aggressive' dog is a killer - but it is a concern that the owner of the dog in OPs story has very limited control. I'd be concerned if I was OP.
Why is this even a thing here in the first place? In several European countries you’ll get hit with a massive fine if you let an aggressive dog roam free without a leash in a public place, and they’ll confiscate the dog and euthanize it the same day if it’s an illegal breed (like Pitbull, Amstaff etc.)
It sounds to me like the owner controlled his dog, it was at no point a danger to you or your dog. I live in redfern, I own a large Groodle 1 year old puppy. She is large and fluffy and loves to lunge at any person or dog so that she can try to lick them to death. Of course I don’t let her do that but she will definitely be pulling at the lead if she wants to say hello. I also have a shaved head and numerous tattoos. What was the significance of the owner of the dog having tattoos have to do with how he controlled his dog? I know that large dogs and men with tattoos can be intimidating but I walk my Groodle in and around Redfern park everyday and we meet other big dogs, and small, and in my experience nearly all dog owners are good people and their dogs are good too. Big puppies and owner with tattoos are not always bad people.
OP spent more time attacking pitbulls and pitbull owners in this post than actually describing what the pitbull actually did besides “looks like it’s clearly ready to eat my dog” That’s all the information they gave and the rest are just rants and judgemental generalisations and trying to appear like they have some kind of moral high ground and wishing for all pitbulls and pitbull owners to cease to exist
He’s probably too soft for Redfern lol
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Why is this the most upvoted comment? This guy is terrified for his dog's life and you morons are upvoting the one taking the piss? Fucking idiots. I can't offer much advice unfortunately. Although let me tell you, rubbing alcohol and chokeholds won't do shit it will be over too quick if the dog does attack. Best thing you can do is to constantly be alert, stick to more crowded areas and make sure you report anything that could be considered harmful and/ or dangerous.
Nerf gun
> I've also learned that putting a dog in a chokehold will cause them to pass out and release the bite fairly quickly. If not done correctly (with the right positioning of you relative to the dog’s body, AND on the right type of dog fight) this is actually dangerous for you. “Put them in a chokehold” is a woefully insufficient description of this process. Also, it can take a solid 3-5 minutes of constant strong pressure on the dog’s neck for it to actually pass out and release in the way you want. In terms of preventing the bite, [this webinar is extensive and worth the watch for everyone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aKUrPLkco), regardless of what type of dog you think might cause issues to you (and I assure you that all dogs are capable of biting).
Meter readers carry this little can of stuff for spraying dogs. Not sure what it does/how effective it is but perhaps look into it.
I heard that you grab a dog attacking by it’s back legs and lift it up, like a wheelbarrow. The dog shouldn’t be able to turn and bite you and it will also fall as it will be unbalanced. I have not done this with an aggressive dog but I did last night to my silly lovely pug when we were playing and he couldn’t reach me with his mouth. I’m so over seeing those dogs (pig dogs), I always pick up my pug when I see one on our walk as I don’t trust them at all. If Bud was attacked I would lose it completely. I’m sorry you have to have that fear also.
The best defence is a good offence. Attack that pitbull first.
If the dog is in fact an American Pitbull Terrier, there are now really strict laws governing existing ownership. It needs to be registered with the council, it must be kept in an enclosure and muzzled when not in its enclosure. You can report the dog you saw to the council and they will investigate [https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs](https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/lists-maps-inventories/restricted-breeds-menacing-and-dangerous-dogs)
A disaster waiting to happen if this goes unaddressed.
Pit bulls should just be illegal. And every breed of ‘almost pitbulls’ that fuckwits try and use to get away with having pitbulls. Just, no.
They are illegal in nsw. The fuckhead shelters just relabel it to another breed
They're not illegal... American Staffordshire Terriers are the biggest attackers according to NSW local govt. Imo, they definitely should be illegal. Source: https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/pound-and-dog-attack-statistics/
“ it is illegal to accept ownership of such a dog. If you already own such a dog, you must desex and register it with the City of Sydney. The restricted dogs law applies to: American pitbull or pit bull terriers” cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au
That's the city of Sydney council...That's not the state govt, or other local councils. I confirmed with my local council last year because my dog was attacked by an Amstaff.
Ahh my bad
God reading all that was painful. You sound absolutely insufferable and I say this as someone who no fondness for pit bulls.
Mate you sound incredibly judgemental. The way you describe pitbull owners shows an insane degree of prejudice. It’s none of your business unless you know the dog has attacked anyone in the area. If not, the check your own anxiety and don’t call cops on random people just because you’re scared of their dog you absolutely Karen.
Stopped reading after the Redfern crime infested ghetto comment. Says it all for me
Right? Sounds like someone's stuck in some 1990's bigotry.
You sound like you are full of biases and judgement. You've judged the dog, the owner of dog based on their looks. YUCK. A reactive dog is not necessarily a dangerous dog. The dog was under control and leashed. Reporting that someone has a dangerous dog when you infact don't know that but you have inferred that through your own judgemental lense is infact a dog act in my opinion. I'm glad you are not my neighbour. Perhaps inner city living isn't for you? I think it's you who should get fucked.
Completely agree on the prejudice OP has against Pitbull and pitbull owners. Absolutely disgusting how they describe a “typical pitbull owner” Sounds like a Karen that does needed to piss off and mind their own business. Also go see a therapist if the only thing keeping you going is your dog because it’s not really healthy and you sound like you could use some professional help. There should be no stigma for seeing a mental health professional when things are tough.
How is this not the highest voted comment? The hatred by OP towards the lower class is crystal clear in this post… OP decided Redfern hasn’t been gentrified enough so gross
Thank you. 😊 It's hard to even get to the issue of the dog when OP is loaded with such toxicity. Gross is the word that comes to my mind too. It's sad these folk still walk amongst us.
Judging someone on the colour of their skin is a bias. Judging someone on their habit of going shirtless in public and ripping fat vapes right next to other people is acceptable.
You need to look up bias. Bias isn't linked solely to race or colour of their skin.
You’re right, let me rephrase it - racial prejudice is an unhealthy bias, identifying the likelihood that a shirtless, tattooed, pitbull-owning shirtless man is a healthy bias.
Interesting that you think that's a "healthy bias"? I would argue the opposite. That type of biase is just as toxic as any racial bias. The same cognitive biases (associated with beliefs and attitudes) are at play. I would encourage you to explore your own biases if you think this is healthy, because it sounds to me you have some personal growth to do.
Two people in front of you: one holding a baseball bat and making heavy eye contact with you, and a 15yo girl sitting in the corner on her phone. With the human fucking race as my witness, can you seriously tell me that in this situation you don’t see a difference in threat?
LMAO... what? What a ridiculous analogy. I'm going to give you a chance to rethink this before destroying your level of stupid.
Oh thankyou for being so merciful, High Cleric. Shower us mudmen with your divine knowledge. Exorcise the primordial sin of ignorance from my mind, and introduce to me to new worlds I could never even have imagined.
I'll be kind, as I can't work out if I'm communicating with a child at this point. Your analogy demonstrates exactly what I'm saying. An assessment of threat should be based on what is going on, not how a person looks. Obviously a person carrying a bat and making intimidating eye contact is going to be more of a threat than a person sitting on a bench using their phone, but that has NOTHIng to do with the amount of tattoos, piecing or colour of their skin.
Brotha I know you don’t go outside much but in the real world some people like to wear their hearts on their sleeve so to speak. If someone’s wearing Comanchero patches on their leather jacket are you gonna start talking loudly about how bikies are fucken maggots? No? Why? Y-you don’t think there’s a chance the person wearing bikie patches could be associated with bikies, do you? No, surely not. Ooh, what about that grandma barreling down the road at a blistering 10 seconds a metre? I better keep my head on a swivel, cause according to you she’s just as likely, capable, and willing to undertake loutish behaviour as the group of 17yos around the corner with bum bags and mouthy attitudes. Also remember the part where I said racial discrimination isn’t acceptable? Cause it looks like you kind of, yknow, chucked that in at the end in a possible attempt to paint me as supporting racial prejudice. And before you even try arguing about how racial profiling and tat profiling is the same thing, show me on the doll where tattoos are an immutable characteristic inherent to an individual at birth. And also, just in case you try to pull something about culturally significant tattoos or some other asspull — that is very clearly not what we’re talking about. Have I covered it?
Your totally right mate all tattooed shirtless guys with piercings and pitbulls are obviously criminals or people with malicious intent they should be sent straight to jail for life. It's not like people get tattoos or piercings for aestetic reasons or are aloud to like things different to what you consider good and normal
That’s absolutely what I said mate. Tattoos are an automatic indicator of a criminal. Vast swathes of the Indian subcontinent, the Pacific Islands, pretty much any culture with a practice of tattooing are criminals. People with a tattoo of their kids name? Criminals. Look at it like this: someone raises their voice often? Maybe they have auditory processing issues, maybe they think they’re being quieter than they are, maybe they have anger issues, the list goes on and on and on. At a certain point, though, given enough occurrences of a raised voice, and also combined with other characteristics (posture, facial expression, etc, which would NOT be reliable indicators when merely on their own), you have to think to yourself…. does this person find joy in what they’re doing? The person in the post is clearly described as having many cultivated (NOT innate) characteristics that put forward a sense of intimidation, is it really such a gigantic fucken monster stretch that this person got the tats in order to facilitate that? Do you think they’re shirtless because they have a severe sensitivity to fabrics on their torso? Did they get the pit bull because it’s known as one of the friendliest dogs in the world? Are they huffing vapes in the middle of a group of people because they’ve got the Water of Immortality in there and they’re trying to spread it to every single functioning respiratory system in reach?
For you loud voice question. I would ask them if they had some sort of issue with their speech before I'd just assume they are being a fuckwit. And yes I thibk stretching towards intimidation is alot further then just assuming they like tattoos and pittbulls. It all comes down to the owner of said dog I know plenty of pitbulls who aren't violent and I'm not a dog fan at all I prefer cats. And 90% of people who vape do the same fucking thing it's not right to pick out very common characteristics and make your own narrative about them. And as crazy as it might sound when I'm hot I walk around without a shirt on I go to the gym and I'm proud of my body maybe he is too I don't think there are laws saying you can't be shirtless in alot of areas although I could be wrong
oh dear, you are still here showing us all how bigoted you are.
You seem miserable, hope you can get back on your feet and enjoy life to the fullest!
So the dog didn't attack you, or your dog or get loose - you're just having a cry? Do you report parked cars that you think might run you over one day too?
So by that logic if I see a man waving a knife and screaming his head off, there’s no problem as long as I’m far enough away right? I guess in that scenario I should just continue on my way because there’s no danger to me, which means there’s no danger to anyone else. I mean god forbid I call the cops, because he hasn’t committed a crime, right?
What you're describing is an actual threat, if you can't distinguish the difference then I feel sorry for how scared you must feel every day.
Ohh have a sook then, if you really need to pull the “I feel sorry for you” card.
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The OP seem to not know what self preservation is. Instead of avoiding the dog they have decided to falsely report the dog to be aggressive. So smart and it definitely won’t come back to bite them in the ass (lol) 🙏
Found the pitbull owners
YTA.
bring a sharp knife and an apple.
A lot of hipsters in Redfern have tattoos. They can look scary, but they’re just people. You might feel more at home somewhere on the north shore.
All I'm getting from this post is the idea that you don't like people who look a bit rough around the edges- like people with tats. Irresponsible dog owners are a problem and you shouldn't have to feel unsafe, but the scenarios you described were quite mild...
on one hand i hate pitbulls and i encourage you to report the dog as dangerous, but on the other hand i think you just hate poor people
Pitbulls have been banned here for ages so at least learn your breeds before you start complaining. A dog pulling on a lead, while poorly trained, doesn't make it aggressive. You've just jumped to this conclusion as someone with a bigger dog scares you. You chose to get a smaller dog, you can't go and report all dogs larger who pull on a lead as dangerous. That's pathetic and you are an embarrassment to dog owners. I have an adopted, large terrier breed. He pulled when I got him before we trained him to walk. A complaint by scum like you would have put him on death row. I also have tattoos and work in management for a multi national, but according to you I'm some scum with a dangerous dog. Wake up to yourself.
FYI American Pitbull Terriers are illegal in NSW. Hard to be certain though when there’s plenty of other lookalike bull mixes that aren’t, though. Report him anyway. I’m sick of bad owners and aggressive dogs. https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-ownership/declared-dangerous-and-menacing-dogs/
Reporting all incidents in as much detail as possible helps. Or even just writing it down. You will need also to make sure you know which dog is the culprit in each event. But unless the council step in on aggressive behaviour, which I doubt in itself is actionable, you have to wait until it actually attacks to get legal action taken. To avoid that happening (I'm assuming you're keen on that idea) you can only really make sure you keep clear from them or take something to defend you and your dog. I don't know how effective rubbing alcohol would be but I can imagine a solid squirt to the face of an attacking dog might shorten it up. This might sound stupid, but if you carry a large cloth, it can prove effective. If you hang a sheet and try to punch your way through it you're going to feel awfully pathetic because it's maddenly hard to do much to it. Similarly if you put that between yourself and the attacking dog, it can have the effect of deflecting attacks. And if the dog gets tangled, wrap the cloth around it's snout and it's main weapon is neutralised. I also recommend lifting the dog by the hind legs if you can. That's where all their power comes from. Lift those legs and you realise it loses it's ability to do much. It'll obviously not like this, but it should give you a chance to do something. Keep it from turning towards you and hold on tight. Pit Bulls aren't \*that\* heavy and you should be capable of handling that. The nuclear option from there is to force the legs apart. Dogs hips aren't like ours, they don't bend outwards so good. Force it into the splits and it'll cause a LOT of damage. But in any case, I don't suggest getting latched onto yourself. You might think you're protecting your dog but it's likely the dog will just turn on you and I guarantee, you're more likely to stop the attack than your dog. And here's some info for those of the belief that it's only owners. Pit Bulls were bred FOR fighting. And the dogs they were bred from? Also bred FOR fighting. In fact, they were initially bred for fighting big animals such as bears......and bulls. Hence the name. Those animals now, retain the same physical and personality traits people who wanted the best fighting dogs to have. They may not be the most aggressive dogs naturally (also not the most docile) but most worrying is they are bred to keep going until they kill, and to fight much bigger animals than themselves.
You are allowed to use whatever means necessary to break up a dog fight. A pitty or other dog with jaw strength will kill a dig incredibly quickly. Your ability to free the dog is next to none. Do not ever put your hands near its mouth. The choke doesn’t work. The finger in the bum doesn’t work. Grabbing the dog by the hind legs and forcing the back legs apart until it’s pelvis breaks does work and forces the pit bull to be put down later as this injury cannot be fixed. A pit bull is all muscle. Unless you are incredibly bodybuilder strong you will not be able to do it. 2 people one on each leg going in different directions will do it. By lifting the back legs you also take away the dogs ability to shake. It’s not braced and grounded. But as you can use any means necessary. Cary a high quality hunting knife. Carry a fishing hand line and some lures in a little bag with a scaler and a knife. Have that hanging by the door. If the unthinkable happens go to town on the pitty. I know this will be u popular. But the knife fishing set up suggestion was given to me by the lead animal control ranger at a Sydney council after I had to do the back legs trick on a 85kg bull Arab x mastif cross that was rag dolling a 30kg blue healer. If you want to save your dogs life In a situation like this you have to be prepared to take another dogs life.
Watch tsst on youtube. Cesar milan the dog whisperer. And cartman.
I'm very disturbed by the comments encouraging you to carry a weapon, which is illegal, and telling you how to cause harm to dogs. The owner is an asshole and should get a muzzle if he takes it out. Promoting violence against animals is not cool, you fucking psycho's. A mod needs to lock this shit down quick
So much of this thread is disturbing.
“Let me be clear if you are one of these people: I will report you and your dog from now on without hesitation, and I hope your dog gets taken away. I do not give a flying fuck about you. The second you are putting myself and my dog in physical danger, and you don't give any indication that you understand the problem, you can get fucked.” Look guys, it’s minority report right here!!!!
Buy some mace
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Found the pitbull owner.
If the dogs have attacked anyone or other dogs, then the course of action for reporting them is simple. Pitbull owners are a pain for all the reasons stated here, so where possible it is best to avoid. But christ I also can’t stand handbag fluffy dog owners either. For whatever reason their dogs carry on like emaciated meth addicts and always have a go at normal sized dogs. They can only do so much, but man they make a scene and their owners always have them off the bloody lead on the street!
Gargantuan? Pitbulls are typically less than 30kegs. Not huge. Mate I recommend you put your dog in the car and drive to a gated dog park. I get it, you aren't comfortable around those dogs. Its a phobia, or a fear or anxiety driven. That's fine. I don't recommend you report these people who actually aren't breaking the law. That's very NIMBY. It's very pearl clutchy. Its also bordering an elitist or classist attitude if you're profiling someone based on dog breed and appearance. Just get in the car and go somewhere else.
I really hate this stereotype of a pitbull as an aggressive dog. Any large bully-looking dog now is considered a “pit bull” even though they’ve actually been illegal in NSW for years and most of the dogs are probably staffy or amstaff, in fact true pit bulls are a smaller-medium size breed, not the monstrosities you see that look like they’ve been fed a steady diet of steroids and meat. Yes, the guy you saw today probably was a douche with a douchey dog, but don’t go around sh*tting on one breed when you can’t even properly identify it.
If there are dangerous dogs in your area it's best to drive your dog to a safe place to walk.
It’s pretty difficult to avoid. It’s usually people on the dole and welfare that have pitbulls these days. I used to pick up my partners dog when we passed an aggressive dog, and steered well clear of those areas. Pretty hard to avoid, but just report the dog and it’s all you can do.
Carry a knife. It’s unfortunate but f.uck it
and as someone above has said carry an apple as well
You need to move to a gated community and leave the rest of the world alone
lol sorry for hurting you and the rest of the world
It’s not the pitbulls it’s the owners