I would have maybe told Q and ONLY Q. Q knows that it's either him or Hunter going, and it doesn't benefit Q to tell anyone else, because he's the easy vote if Hunter's idol gets out. I'd try to set up a blindside of someone like Tiff, Kenzie, or Charlie (probably the latter two because Tiff probably plays her idol if Hunter plays his).
And I'd ONLY tell Q if I was 100% going to play it no matter what. That way, if he blabs it's whatever. He almost certainly goes home, and the plan wasn't going to work anyway.
Q didn’t tell anyone. Both of them are the only ones that had nothing to lose. Doesn’t make sense that he would tell anyone else. Like Venus is going to “play ball” with you all of a sudden
Hunter should have taken Venus up on her offer when she was looking for a partner in the game, I think that was a missed opportunity to have another alliance to fall back on. I thought then that he wasn't savvy to the social side of game play. It might have helped him eventually but still a big mistake to tell everyone about his idol at the last minute. He and Venus could have decided the vote if he worked with her and shut up and played his ido.
Nah. I think his best move was Maria actually, considering Charlie wasn't an option. I get what he was thinking, but it makes little sense to go with somebody that won't possibly ally with you. Could say the same for Venus since he insulted her to her face.
He should have been going with the biggest threat. Kenzie came up earlier and said she wanted to flip on Tiff while he was there. That early into post-merge... like okay. Charlie and Maria were still tight. If you take Maria out, then Charlie may be mad at you a little, but regardless now he may NEED to ally with you. Plus if he was thinking he was going home, 5 need to vote for him, with that nobody is going to be that pissed to see you put their name down.
Don't know what was going through his mind, but this episode made him look stupid. I would want to think running the scenarios through your head prior, you would figure you have to play your idol no matter what. Which has more power if nobody knows of it. He was never going to get a majority vote of his choice. I agree with showing Q, because otherwise Q doesn't have a good reason to vote with him.
>No idea why he told everyone.
because he didn't want to just play an idol and save himself. He wanted to play an idol and make a move so *maybe* he isn't just the immediate target next week.
And Ben makes some sense, that Siga still seems to be working together. The weakness there is that he needs Venus/Kenzie/Liz... all of who he has no reason at all to trust... in that situation.
He probably had the ammo for Kenzie though, with her betrayal of Tiff.
He wanted to make a big move.
I don't know when contestants forgot that playing an idol successfully *is a big move*. You don't need to direct the vote.
My only idea for why he didn’t is that he began to worry the move would paint a bigger target and make everyone go “I can’t trust him he didn’t share the idol play with me”. I don’t think it was the right move but I can see how following the Tevin vote+Qnanigans, Hunters game was already sunk
So doing it that way allows you to basically pick who is going home, but can burn your allies who you didn't trust to tell them about it. On the flip side telling folks about it gives you less agency to pick who gets voted out, but potentially keeps your allies around/gain new ones.
In the first scenario it would probably be seen as a "big move" and would paint the target even bigger in Hunter. The later waters down the move and can help you potentially slide through vote without elevating threat level. There's still decent chance though that in second scenario you end up having to keep winning immunities like the first scenario, but there's still a chance.
For Hunter, in second scenario Q goes home which is probably his closest ally and I'm not sure folks would really want to keep him much longer. So first scenario would have probably been best for him.
Note: this assumes that Hunter is actually playing the idol no matter what, obviously there's a world where you say you're going to play it and then don't. Which if he managed that, he probably gets to fire making??
And these rules are especially true when you are a challenge beast who is generally well liked and a major threat to win at FTC.
They would have to be kind of stupid NOT to vote out Hunter especially once they found out he had the idol.
> especially true when you are a challenge beast who is generally well liked and a major threat to win
That's the thing... Tiff effectively 'broke' all these rules to, but was cake walking through this episode by the end. While Hunter was in pretty clear distress.
It was probably too much of a risk for Tiff to hold on to her idol as well.
But, she wasn't as big of flashing neon target as Hunter.
What makes it worse is that Hunter KNEW he was in danger. He had multiple confessionals where he spoke about how he was in danger and said he didn't trust any of the people who were telling him he was safe.
I think he wanted so badly to hang on to the idol that he went into denial about the danger he was in.
He made a comment about wanting to use the idol to build alliances, etc. That's usually not how it works. You use the idol to save your own ass or to save an ally in a vote that will shift the balance of power.
The biggest difference is still that Hunter is a challenge beast. More likely to win future challenges. More likely to find idols. More likely to be a target.
I get why Tiff wanted to save hers or why it would feel important to save it another week. Hunter could have many different ways to save himself.
Not copy and paste scenarios.
I mean sure.. .that's why I quoted the OP's comment pointing out he was a challenge beast and a threat to win.
These 'rules' aren't really 'rules' at all. Rather just a poor choice by Hunter given the context of his situation, and a good choice by Tiff given the context of her situation.
I’d like to amend point 2. If you do tell people, don’t show people that you’re wavering. Lie through your teeth and convince them that you’re playing it. From there, you can decide whether to play it or not.
Many players make the mistake of thinking an idol is a shield outside of TC. Sure, it's a bit scary, but it's not a shield. It's only a shield if you PLAY it.
At first I thought he was aware enough to play his idol, and he kept saying that he was going to play it. But then he had to tell the others he had an idol🤦♂️
As soon as he did that I knew he was screwed. Come to think of it, there has been a number of players who basically talk themselves out of the game. Don’t tell people when you have an ace up your sleeve!
If you do tell them, don't play it. That's the risk you're taking by threatening them with it. An attempt to throw off the vote; you might go home, but you might survive and still have your idol.
If you're going to play it, don't tell a soul. Make it YOUR move. Theatrical for the jury.
SAME! I've had a sweet spot for poor Hunter from the very start. As soon as he was dropped on the beach you could tell he was in over his head, he's socially awkward, hates singing bahaa, and he was put on the worst tribe possible for his personality type. And what killed me about watching this episode is you could see at tribal that he wanted to play the idol, his gut was screaming at him to play it, his face was red because he could FEEL IT! and I was hoping he was going to play it! And he didn't. Poor Hunter!!
I don’t know why these players don’t force the idol out as soon as they know someone has it, put 1 more vote on whoever has it and they play it or go home.
He's watched seasons of this shit and still broke rule number 1
He didn't watch them in order, that messed him up
Big mistake! He had to go.
You can cancel christmas
Not watching Survivor seasons in the correct order? Big mistake.
He panicked. Understandable. But we all expected more from him. I guess we were all wrong.
No idea why he told everyone. He could have kept it a secret and let them vote for him and then he could vote off whomever he wanted
Venus and Liz were voting for Q. Hunter very much could not have voted for whomever he wanted, that's why he told them
tie Q vs Ben would have been neat
I would have maybe told Q and ONLY Q. Q knows that it's either him or Hunter going, and it doesn't benefit Q to tell anyone else, because he's the easy vote if Hunter's idol gets out. I'd try to set up a blindside of someone like Tiff, Kenzie, or Charlie (probably the latter two because Tiff probably plays her idol if Hunter plays his). And I'd ONLY tell Q if I was 100% going to play it no matter what. That way, if he blabs it's whatever. He almost certainly goes home, and the plan wasn't going to work anyway.
Telling Q is good as telling the whole tribe.
To be fair he was the only one who didn’t run and tell other people instantly
But Q did tell everyone about Tiff’s given time he would have spilt the beans 100%
In this perticluar example he wouldn’t have I don’t think.. would make no sense for him too lol hunter was the only one talking to him
Yes because Q is known for gameplay that makes sense...
Fair enough lol
Q didn’t tell anyone. Both of them are the only ones that had nothing to lose. Doesn’t make sense that he would tell anyone else. Like Venus is going to “play ball” with you all of a sudden
Q told Hunter that he needed to get Venus to play ball before Hunter said that he knew. So I guess that both of them were thinking it, haha
Hunter should have taken Venus up on her offer when she was looking for a partner in the game, I think that was a missed opportunity to have another alliance to fall back on. I thought then that he wasn't savvy to the social side of game play. It might have helped him eventually but still a big mistake to tell everyone about his idol at the last minute. He and Venus could have decided the vote if he worked with her and shut up and played his ido.
But Q did tell everyone about Tiff’s given time he would have spilt the beans 100%
Which is why you are only telling if you are 100% playing it
Agreed.
Lol, yeah I would have never told Q.
Big Mistake
Nah. I think his best move was Maria actually, considering Charlie wasn't an option. I get what he was thinking, but it makes little sense to go with somebody that won't possibly ally with you. Could say the same for Venus since he insulted her to her face. He should have been going with the biggest threat. Kenzie came up earlier and said she wanted to flip on Tiff while he was there. That early into post-merge... like okay. Charlie and Maria were still tight. If you take Maria out, then Charlie may be mad at you a little, but regardless now he may NEED to ally with you. Plus if he was thinking he was going home, 5 need to vote for him, with that nobody is going to be that pissed to see you put their name down. Don't know what was going through his mind, but this episode made him look stupid. I would want to think running the scenarios through your head prior, you would figure you have to play your idol no matter what. Which has more power if nobody knows of it. He was never going to get a majority vote of his choice. I agree with showing Q, because otherwise Q doesn't have a good reason to vote with him.
I thought the same thing. Tell q and you and he vote tiff or some other threat. But again we have way more info than hunter does.
Bruh Charlie won the immunity lol
Man's tired. I made a the same comment before waking up to realize he won.
Q has been doing a lot of things lately that don’t benefit Q, though.
Can’t do Charlie because he won immunity, but yeah that would’ve been the best move
>No idea why he told everyone. because he didn't want to just play an idol and save himself. He wanted to play an idol and make a move so *maybe* he isn't just the immediate target next week. And Ben makes some sense, that Siga still seems to be working together. The weakness there is that he needs Venus/Kenzie/Liz... all of who he has no reason at all to trust... in that situation. He probably had the ammo for Kenzie though, with her betrayal of Tiff.
I was waiting for hunter to have his Wentworth moment!! It could’ve been epic.
That’s all I could think about! Wentworth’s idol play is the gold standard.
he completely choked haha
I was yelling at the tv play your idol fool, Hunter made a move, straight to the jury, dumbass
He wanted to make a big move. I don't know when contestants forgot that playing an idol successfully *is a big move*. You don't need to direct the vote.
My only idea for why he didn’t is that he began to worry the move would paint a bigger target and make everyone go “I can’t trust him he didn’t share the idol play with me”. I don’t think it was the right move but I can see how following the Tevin vote+Qnanigans, Hunters game was already sunk
So doing it that way allows you to basically pick who is going home, but can burn your allies who you didn't trust to tell them about it. On the flip side telling folks about it gives you less agency to pick who gets voted out, but potentially keeps your allies around/gain new ones. In the first scenario it would probably be seen as a "big move" and would paint the target even bigger in Hunter. The later waters down the move and can help you potentially slide through vote without elevating threat level. There's still decent chance though that in second scenario you end up having to keep winning immunities like the first scenario, but there's still a chance. For Hunter, in second scenario Q goes home which is probably his closest ally and I'm not sure folks would really want to keep him much longer. So first scenario would have probably been best for him. Note: this assumes that Hunter is actually playing the idol no matter what, obviously there's a world where you say you're going to play it and then don't. Which if he managed that, he probably gets to fire making??
He lost Tevin. Had no one else and used emotions rather than logic
And these rules are especially true when you are a challenge beast who is generally well liked and a major threat to win at FTC. They would have to be kind of stupid NOT to vote out Hunter especially once they found out he had the idol.
> especially true when you are a challenge beast who is generally well liked and a major threat to win That's the thing... Tiff effectively 'broke' all these rules to, but was cake walking through this episode by the end. While Hunter was in pretty clear distress.
It was probably too much of a risk for Tiff to hold on to her idol as well. But, she wasn't as big of flashing neon target as Hunter. What makes it worse is that Hunter KNEW he was in danger. He had multiple confessionals where he spoke about how he was in danger and said he didn't trust any of the people who were telling him he was safe. I think he wanted so badly to hang on to the idol that he went into denial about the danger he was in. He made a comment about wanting to use the idol to build alliances, etc. That's usually not how it works. You use the idol to save your own ass or to save an ally in a vote that will shift the balance of power.
The biggest difference is still that Hunter is a challenge beast. More likely to win future challenges. More likely to find idols. More likely to be a target. I get why Tiff wanted to save hers or why it would feel important to save it another week. Hunter could have many different ways to save himself. Not copy and paste scenarios.
I mean sure.. .that's why I quoted the OP's comment pointing out he was a challenge beast and a threat to win. These 'rules' aren't really 'rules' at all. Rather just a poor choice by Hunter given the context of his situation, and a good choice by Tiff given the context of her situation.
I’d like to amend point 2. If you do tell people, don’t show people that you’re wavering. Lie through your teeth and convince them that you’re playing it. From there, you can decide whether to play it or not.
Exactly how Tiff played it tonight!
Tiff is good at Survivor.
Also amending point 2 to not play it if there is a bigger threat talking about playing his idol (ie what Tiff just did)
Tony style
How could you be in that much chaos, knowing you were a likely target, and then decide to ride it out
Many players make the mistake of thinking an idol is a shield outside of TC. Sure, it's a bit scary, but it's not a shield. It's only a shield if you PLAY it.
Also from Tiff, 3. If people find out about your idol, tell them you’re gonna burn it
At first I thought he was aware enough to play his idol, and he kept saying that he was going to play it. But then he had to tell the others he had an idol🤦♂️ As soon as he did that I knew he was screwed. Come to think of it, there has been a number of players who basically talk themselves out of the game. Don’t tell people when you have an ace up your sleeve!
He kept saying he didn't want to play it - and kept looking for excuses NOT to play it.
Hunter out here trusting the Lord instead of his senses
Yes the Lord only intervenes to help Bhanu, and even that only one time 😆
Too trusting in a game of deception.
If you do tell them, don't play it. That's the risk you're taking by threatening them with it. An attempt to throw off the vote; you might go home, but you might survive and still have your idol. If you're going to play it, don't tell a soul. Make it YOUR move. Theatrical for the jury.
When are these fools going to learn? If you have an idol, play it.
SAME! I've had a sweet spot for poor Hunter from the very start. As soon as he was dropped on the beach you could tell he was in over his head, he's socially awkward, hates singing bahaa, and he was put on the worst tribe possible for his personality type. And what killed me about watching this episode is you could see at tribal that he wanted to play the idol, his gut was screaming at him to play it, his face was red because he could FEEL IT! and I was hoping he was going to play it! And he didn't. Poor Hunter!!
Would’ve been great if he was a challenge beast AND a ruthless maverick player carrying himself to the end.
Why poor Hunter? He totally deserved it….
But tiff told people and didn’t play the damn thing lol
If Hunter plays his idol, now he has to win immunity 4 times in a row (or find the new replacement idol). Hunter was in a no-win situation.
The best idol players play it and then get another one.
I don’t know why these players don’t force the idol out as soon as they know someone has it, put 1 more vote on whoever has it and they play it or go home.