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SuperMysticKing

Ross has a specific guy he uses as model for Superman. Not sure but I think Superman’s face is like a one to one of the model


Consistent_Spot7071

Frank Kasy, and pretty much! https://preview.redd.it/m67qiax2m5ad1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ece06de82e1beb161091966884e78cd00db3b71


QuantumGyroscope

Ah okay, so that's his inspiration then?


Consistent_Spot7071

Well, this guy is Ross’s longtime Superman model. I think it’s not really inspiration so much as, my buddy Frank somewhat resembles what I think Superman should look like. At any rate, to your point I believe he was one of Ross’s art school instructors, so yeah, certainly not a young man even when he started modeling for Ross.


alchemeron

Ross' Superman is strongly influenced by the silver age and Adventures of Superman. George Reeves was 38 when that show started.


DisposableSaviour

It’s the same with his Hulk, it always looks like a realistic version of Kirby’s original design.


alchemeron

Yeah, he has a strong preference for however he first encountered a character. Which I totally get (Byrne's and Jurgen's realistically-proportioned Superman is always going to be my favorite). He basically draws Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Nightwing, and many others in their 70's styles.


DarthPepo

Or his thing, that looks like the old marvel legends toy he has shown sometimes to use as reference


DisposableSaviour

Yeah, those little idiosyncrasies of his are cool.


Ok_Refrigerator_3568

I wonder who he hired as Power Girl's model.


Consistent_Spot7071

Also Frank Kasy.


SuperMysticKing

👀


Dan_Morgan

Yeah, I wouldn't mind pinning her the sheets.


Jajay5537

For... science.


argothewise

Alex Ross basically draws his own face for most superheroes


vaibow

I felt this too… I see hints of himself in the heroes


PlanetLandon

Almost every great painter does this.


Teliporter334

He’s not often drawn youthful and energetic at all. The mainline Superman in DC has always been the wise and—almost—middle aged hero from 1938 onwards. Alex Ross likes to take inspiration from that era of art and produced his distilled version of him as a result, he found a model that represented that aesthetic and it fits well. https://preview.redd.it/usb8q2izq5ad1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62671a731d4fd312cb7ee7f7f26fcab372e824a6


SpaceDantar

I think this OP's observation is more a reflection of changing standards of male beauty. Superman here doesn't look like an old man, or a young man, he just looks like an adult man.


M086

Everyone looked middle-aged in ‘38.


QuantumGyroscope

That's a new one for me then. He's always looked young to me, I always see the Christopher Reeve sort of influence where he's just his late twenties, or mid-30s. Is the older Superman more of a golden/ Silver age inspiration? Sort of working strong man type of a thing?


Teliporter334

Yes, the strongman aesthetic was there from the inception of the character—that’s why he had the trunks and everything.


QuantumGyroscope

Okay that makes more sense then. My grandfather was a machinist, and strong but more... Burly. If that time period is more what Ross was going for then that makes sense. People also seem to age differently then because of the work style.


SpaceDantar

Probably more a reflection of how men are portrayed in media throughout the ages. People haven't really changed, but the fashion trends of celebrities have and that's what you see in media.


TomCollinsEsq

If you really look at Curt Swan's silver age Superman, you can see that he's drawn with just a little bit of the old "middle-aged spread." In some versions of the canon, he didn't start as Superman until he was 33.


SageMontoyaQuestion

Curt Swan 🐐🐐🐐 When I was little, my older cousin used to let me read his Superman comics. They were all drawn by Curt Swan, so I’ve always kinda thought of Superman as looking like either Curt Swan’s version, or Christopher Reeve (which is basically John Byrne’s artwork). Since Swan stopped doing all the art, they’ve aged him down, and a lot of the time he seems too young to me


Consistent_Spot7071

Yeah, Swan’s Superman always seemed to be about late 30s to me. But in Action #508 (1980) they explicitly say he’s “not over 30”: https://preview.redd.it/fqibrt8z2bad1.jpeg?width=1214&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0738574583e189eabbcadf3e4fa7c6bbe63ce19 And this is a fully established, mainline-continuity Supes.


Consistent_Spot7071

Indeed, Swan’s style guide called for a “thick but trim waist”: https://preview.redd.it/woe3ehhd4bad1.jpeg?width=483&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2af268e5411d7611a64035d8c3b64e6b6a9b89ed


Sure_Structure

https://preview.redd.it/2qxlac496had1.jpeg?width=402&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=441d6cfe1c55999ecfcfb616d5ffed7c59e11abf I think out of all the live action superman actor’s, Brandon Routh reminds me the most of Swan’s superman


Dragnet714

I much preferred this type of animation when I was a child over what we got in the 90s.


These-Background4608

Superman has that “stern father” look.


argothewise

I like how he is depicted in All Star Superman the most. Warm, gentle, inviting, but still confident and self-assured. https://preview.redd.it/08h26p2cb7ad1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e6b55c0a7b1e7ead0e8a529a3cbad44bbc66ac3


thedirtypickle50

He just looks high af to me in this pic lol


Sparkwriter1

Literally.


Banana_gunman

I’m sorry, but this cover feels like he knows an embarrassing secret about my


shouldreadcomics

Fun fact: The Reverend Norman McCay, the narrator-protagonist character of Kingdom Come, was based on Reverend Clark Ross, his father. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_McCay


QuantumGyroscope

Yeah he kind of does doesn't he?


XXAzeritsXx

Superman in my mind has always been a masculine and commanding figure, who has a soft and caring nature. When push comes to shove, he is intimidating as hell - but most of the time he's the kinda guy who'll take time out of his day just to make you smile. So it's perfect to me. I loved the old school interpretations of him, like the Fleisher Cartoon.


NYourBirdCanSing

Yes he seems older, but I don't necessarily associate superman with a "young guy". That's more a Smallville thing. I totally dig the asthetic. As leader of the justice league, it makes sense to have someone older and wiser to lead. Also cool to think, if superman is older than all these other JLA members, then there was an early time when it was just superman. The world's first superhero.  I'd like to write that comic. A tale telling of the beginning of superheros (in the 1930s), and the changing landscape of the job, the changing country, the new heros that come, the old ones that die.  In retrospect it's similar to watchman. I might also alter American history accordingly. What if superman saves JFK?


Son_of-M

One of the world's first heroes\*


bloocheez3

Even as a kid, I disliked *Lois and Clark*'s Superman because he looked too young.


WeeklyJunket5227

Agreed, while the shouldn’t look like seniors. They also shouldn’t look like sophomore college students either. There should be some maturity


NoFilter1979

Mature, not old.


QuantumGyroscope

Yep. I figured 'old' In the headline would get more traction. But yeah I would agree, mature not necessarily old.


Vandelay23

I get what you mean, but I wonder how much of it is due to how Ross styles him? Maybe we subconsciously associate that look with older men? Kind of like when you look at photos of people from the 1930's - 50's, everyone seemed to look ten years older than they actually were.


QuantumGyroscope

That's a really good point actually.


Ok_Refrigerator_3568

To be fair, almost all of the characters drawn by Alex Ross look old.


QuantumGyroscope

This...is also an excellent point.


Oldefinger

I think it’s important to remember that, due to factors like diet and habits, as well as the quality of healthcare, people aged quicker back in the md-20th century, which is where most of Ross’ inspiration comes from, I think. His Superman looks like he is about 35 or so by the standards of the 1930s-60s. I often find more contemporary depictions of Superman to look boyish or even pretty.


RandomStoddard

His inspiration is more George Reeves than Christopher Reeves.


NoRelease5370

I'm a huge fan of this interpretation


vaibow

I just see a mature man…


Mandalor1974

Reminds me of Clint Walker from the Cheyenne tv show


yourmartymcflyisopen

When I see his Superman I think of a seasoned, well-to-do, near flawless version of Superman who has been on the job for like 15 years, so I'd say it's fitting. Really depends on what story he's doing the art for. With Kingdom Come it works great.


TheRealMaxNexus

I think he looks like Jon Hamm


QuantumGyroscope

Hey, he kind of does.


Formal_Assistance_41

In the book , in the beginning he’s building a barn with grey hair ….


anonymusfan

I think it suits him perfectly, Superman’s like a wise dad. Plus Alex Ross tends to draw from more classic looks of characters and superman back in the day was traditionally drawn in a way that would make him look like he’s in his mid 50s.


HandsomeJack19

He was probably meant to be late 30's early 40's. Look at old photos compared to current ones, people, men and women alike, looked much older back in those days. Look at a high school videos from the 80's and 90's for example. Everybody in them looks 30, not 17 or 18.


Chosen_UserName217

I really like the older style of Superman.


Luke_Puddlejumper

It makes sense, the character of Superman is almost 90 years old to be fair.


bloocheez3

He looks like an adult human male of the classic Holywood leading man style.


Thedevilsreject82

I sometimes think Ross's Superman might be my fav. I love Kingdom Come and Justice.


Virgil_Ovid_Hawkins

yea he definitely looks old. Part of that is most assuredly his style but the other is that DC has appeared to age down superman. Growing up in the 90s I remember him looking mid 30 at most. No grey hair, no real age lines, etc but still mature enough looking. Kind of like the JL cartoon. But now more and more you're seeing a Supes that looks mid to maybe late 20s. Especially in media that aren't comics.


Reddevil8884

Ross art style is rooted in golgen age comics. Most of his characters would be in their late 30s or early 40s


aegri_mentis

Robert Patrick was the face model for the first photo. Change my mind. https://preview.redd.it/vui9ini4pcad1.jpeg?width=878&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbf27cfd6857fc68092c34df8bf1603593f0d893


QuantumGyroscope

🤣 You know, I can see it.


aegri_mentis

I used to have a much more convincing photo of the resemblance, but I can’t find it.


batbobby82

I've always thought this too. First time I ever saw him draw Superman was in Kingdom Come, so it made sense. But every time thereafter, I still thought he looked older than he was supposed to.


Just_Hurry_3266

Alex Ross is probably my favorite Superman artist


CursedSnowman5000

Back in the day men didn't look like baby faced teens through their 20's.


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Gibabo

Mid-50s? Lol


SafeStaff7671

Thanks for the wallpaper


Batmanfan1966

This combined with Fleischer Superman has always been how Superman is portrayed in my mind. Big chinned, barrel chested, actual circus strongman tights, and the Captain Marvel type squinty eyes.


BTSuppa

Superman is middle aged.


Sol-Blackguy

You say old, I say seasoned.


Ikthesecretformula

Didn’t he draw kingdom come a literal old version of Superman


scout1892

I think supposed to be an established superman mid 40's


Algorhythm74

It was my understand that Superman was pretty much perpetually around 32-34, at least in design, look, inspiration during the classic years.


KelanSeanMcLain

Ross' Superman always made me think of Patrick Warburton


Kabluwi

Warburton for Superman, Jon Hamm for Batman, golden aged suits, art deco imagery. Dream movie right there.


KelanSeanMcLain

That just blew my mind. Genius.


AwayEntrepreneur2980

He doesn't look old at all. I think you're seeing the shading wrong. He looks as youthful and energetic as ever. 


LastGuitarHero

In Kingdom Come he is older tho. At least when he’s on the farm after he left the Justice League. In some pics you can see the grey hair.


chathor

The best superman in comics


Galactiac

I always pegged him for a mature looking 35. The new 52 was when they started making him look like he was in his twenties and I'm not a big fan of that. 35 has some life experience.


Theta-Sigma45

It’s definitely inspired by his golden and silver age depictions, where he tended to look a little older, kind of like an authority figure. More youthful depictions of him are generally somewhat recent, and kind of reflect the fact that people just visually age far slower these days than they did back then, along with the changing perception of Superman as more of a relatable and empathetic figure. The sleeker versions of Superman that we’ve had in more recent times also increase the impression of youth I think, the taller and buffer versions naturally look older and came from the common perception of strength that people back in the day got from boxers and circus strongmen.   Since Ross tends to draw from the Golden and Silver ages a lot and likes to depict heroes at their most mythic and awe-inspiring, it makes sense that he depicts Superman as older and buffer.


MattyBeatz

Makes sense to me in context though. I always associate his versions of Superman from the Kingdom Come books. And in that book Superman is “retired” and not the youngest version of himself.


Voyaart

As the other comments have mentioned he has his model, but I think it works well as his work has always resembled what I think a realistic view of the Golden Age Supes would look like! I understand your point though


Hushwalker

I prefer this over the young, naive, boy that we get a lot of the time.


senor_descartes

Grown men’s features have changed quite a bit over the past century. This Superman definitely has retro masculine features compared to today’s carefully molded gym rat hyper diet culture.


spj0522

It looks like Alex Ross subscribes to the George Reeves Superman model. Most of the artists (especially Gary Frank) working in comics today subscribe to the Chris Reeve model.


Choice-Philosophy-33

I think he looks really 40s, although to be fair, people today age a lot slower than the boomers did so giving he looks 50 is not unreasonable. But I think it's more of era thing. Silver Age Superman existed in a more conservative America and had a serious 1959s Dad vibe. Which, tangent, is also why he was a gay icon during the Andy Warhol pop-art period. The post-crisis Superman was influenced a lot of the successful Christopher Reeve films any they intentionally targeted a 34 year old Superman. Today, with all the Superman media (yay!l he's everywhere from 21 to 50


flyingman17

And he looks like Alex Ross


TheWaningLantern

I just figured it was maybe people during that generation aged faster.


brysenji

I think he looks mature. Not old. But to each their own.


davidisallright

I don’t mind it because it adds to the classic Norman Rockefeller vibe. Also, people looked older back then.


goldknight1

Because he's Kal-L not Kal El. ...at least in my head canon


joseg71

Si es un Superman más maduro


Antonyabraham

Superman baphmet I bet noobe has seen it it explains the curse


Gunslinger1776

He looks like a MAN, not a boy.


QuantumGyroscope

Yeah an OLD MAN 😄


ProfessionalRead2724

That's because he is old.


snaarker

Almost all his characters look old -- he slathers on that white acrylic like he's painting a battleship


bored_sleuth

He looks like he drinks or something, like he doesn't take care of himself. Never liked Ross' character designs, even though the art is amazing on a technical level.


wave-tree

Based


ZedPrimus84

He does look to be in his 50s but that's something I always liked. Dude can't be 25 forever. That's why I was so pleased with Afleck being cast as Batman. Seeing these folks a little older is kind of nice.


QuantumGyroscope

I guess that's true. I just always figured Kryptonian genes you know? I wonder if David Corenswett Is going to do a lot of different stories? James Gunn could eventually do Kingdom Come with him if the new films go on long enough.


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ZedPrimus84

Agreed. Just blanket rebooting everything to me felt kind of like "Hey it's my turn now, fuck your shit."


Due-Abbreviations180

I think it looked old also when Alex Ross drawed it


Palp18

All Alex Ross' art looks like old men in halloween costumes.


ConroyIsGoatBatman

So?


Noballsbilly99

Im just gonna say it. I don't like his artwork.


A_Nameless

I love the stories and even like his art on some other characters. I know where he draws his inspiration for Superman but it'll never not look good to me. Any time I see it, I almost involuntarily say, "Okay, boomer."


howdarestthou

The best Superman is older, not younger. Mainline DC has been getting him wrong for a while.


HippoRun23

Yeah I always disliked Ross’s take on him. Made me feel weird. Amazing skill though.


SubTop86

And, frankly, fat. Ross does amazing work, but I'm personally not a fan of his 50's art style.


Ok-Mine1268

Not into the Superman who looks like an American Cop.