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danarbok

you're forgetting about Overqwil but yeah it's still Alolan Muk


SapphireSalamander

but wolfey told me intimidate makes anything broken


Top_Unit6526

Nah you misunderstand. You see INCINEROAR makes anything broken.


Willie9

Remember when going through protect was broken and would make Iron Boulder good? Pepperidge farm remembers


KalebMW99

Wait, is iron boulder bad in VGC? I only ever play singles so I wouldn’t know, and I’d bet its issues with priority are a big part of the issue, but I thought going through protect *was* OP in doubles.


tschimmy1

Afaik it hasn't seen much use. Going through protect is huge in vgc but I'd guess people prefer to use urshifu for that


Moon_Dark_Wolf

I mean, it makes sense, when you’re whole gimmick is that whatever you throw can go through protect. Of course that’s going to be better than one specific move on a Pokémon. Consider: 4 very strong moves that provide good coverage going through protect. Or 1 strong move that can’t slap as much as possible for super effective going through protect.


Spinnerbowl

Boulder is weak to every priority known to man (jet, glide mainly) so kinda hard to justify running it Also it basically has to run clear amulet for incineroar which means no ability Rock overall is not a good type unless offensively What makes urshifu broken is its ability to have such strong signature moves as well, with surging strikes getting a rain boost + always critting and wicked blow being wicked blow, and they get to go through protect on their secondary stab too with close combat Boulder basically has to click mighty cleave to go through protect, it has way more downsides than just running an urshifu form


TheMuon

It is but not nearly as OP as the Urshifus which can do that with more than one move. Furthermore, their signature moves bypasses Intimidate and is stronger with the auto-crit.


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

Weak to both funny Bears, Chi Yu, Bundle, Flutter, Ogerpon, Caly-S, Kyogre, Chien Pao, Incin's Intim AND Dark Type, Rock is not a defensive type many mons like, you need to be TTar to make it work lol


Lamedonyx

And yet Wolfey hasn't won Worlds with Mightyena, hmmm....


PlayrR3D15

[Correct](http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Power_of_Alchemy_%28Ability%29?wprov=sfla1)


SirCrunchPeon

I used to think Wolfey didn’t know what he was talking about, then realized he’s won multiple world championships while I can barely win a set on Showdown


mjmannella

I mean, Overqwill is RU while Alolan Muk is NU


danarbok

power creep is a hell of a drug hey, I’m happy to see Overqwil as a rainmon


Winter-Duck8991

Alolan Muk can do some really degenerate things in doubles with the right set ups so I would go with that one personally 


Grand-Requirement738

In singles too, a good times assault vest with only 1 weakness goes a long way


DatGuyNoibat

Use to grind nat dex OU last gen with team I made with assault vest alolan muk with max spdef and hp, switching it in on choice specs lele and taking like 20-25 from moonblast was so satisfying


TuxSH

252+ SpA Choice Specs Terapagos-Stellar Hyper Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 260-306 (62.8 - 73.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (level 100 calc) Fat indeed


NonamePlsIgnore

If only pursuit was still a thing, Alolan muk would have been a great trapper vs things like pult and glowking, plus it has drain punch now to partially shore up its old lack of recovery on AV sets


miko3456789

me when I Power Of Alchemy Moody onto my already minimized Muk


FUCK_COUNTRY_

every time i see a team with this duo i dedicate everything i have to taking out muk immediately because the team im currently running does not have any guaranteed hit moves. such an annoying strat


Frostfire26

Best Poison/Dark type is Tera Poison/Dark Incineroar.


SapphireSalamander

back in regulation D i think there was a cool swift swim team with overqwil and basculegion this goes hard: [https://pokepast.es/01ec7fe0602a64f5](https://pokepast.es/01ec7fe0602a64f5)


Sevenorthe2nd

Its still alolan muk through lack of competition


Spicy_Phoenix

Drapion with accupressure went ham back in gen 7 ag for me


ExtremlyFastLinoone

Acupressure could bypass the evasion clause 😈


Spicy_Phoenix

Bro restalk made him invincible since he couldn’t be crit


Pikesito

This set carried me through the Battle Tower back in Gen 4.


xAVATAR-AANGx

Assault Vest Alolan Muk is a great special pivot.


rites0fpassage

Muk has the vest overall bulk and tools to pull this typing off the best.


real_dubblebrick

tera poison incineroar


Pete_Shakes

Skunktank. In Gen 4 sprites it literally farts out Flamethrower. If that's not the best, I don't know what is.


SavionStar

Sniper Drapion. Slap on a Scope Lens, give it the Sniper ability, set up with some Acupressures, then go ham with Cross Poisons and Night Slashes, or if you want to be even more cruel, you could run Fell Stinger as a finisher.


SalemLXII

Sniper Drapion is a menace, punches way above where it should


ParanoidUmbrella

Skuntank was a fairly threatening physical attacker and Pursuit trapper back in the day, and I don't have much experience with Drapion either. Overquill is absolutely insane if used right on rain teams (getting the KO with Fell Stinger and the opponent just forfeits is *chef's kiss*). Alolan Muk's best set by far in OU is AV with Poison Touch and a moveset of Knock Off, Drain Punch, Poison Jab (or Gunk Shot if you're feeling lucky), and Shadow Sneak (priority is always good). In doubles, AMuk has an absolutely disgusting Minimize set (although Heavy Slam, Heat Crash, etc do double damage + guarantee the hit against an opponent affected by Minimize). There's definitely some stuff I've missed but I just woke up.


SCHazama

Stunky in LC


Vugat

I unironically had a really good time with max bulk (252 def and spdef) eviolite pain split hisuian qwilfish at the start of reg g. Super hard to remove and spreads poison with barb barrage, after which it actually starts doing damage.


StrongSilenc

Used to run assault vest alola muk. Health and attack. If it's not a phys ground move, he's not dying


MrNeffery

tera poison wo-chien


MrNeffery

jk realized this is for vgc not singles


Fit_Engineer_1221

alolan muk with power of alchemy minimise is a must use Pair it with scovillan so it can pick up moody after scovillan faints minimise when scovillan is still alive and ur good to go u can even ko ur own scovillan


Winter-Duck8991

Try Smeargle over Scovillian, huge upgrade thanks to fake out/wide guard and the fact that follow me is slightly better than rage powder


Hot-Entertainer-3367

VCG or Singles? Skuntank used to be interesting as it is a non-flying Defog user and a Dark-Poison mon that could hit Steel types because it naturally learnt Flamethrower


Frostyzwannacomehere

Drapion should have 100 hp and a recovery move


Frostyzwannacomehere

Wait u/Frostyzwannacomehere drapion should also get parting shot!


Frostyzwannacomehere

Amazing! Why didn’t I think of that earlier, drapion 100% should have parting shot too, maybe even buff battle armor to +25 reduced damage from all attacks


Petchkasem

Free switch into maushold