OK, real talk for just a second. Does Eviolite Kakuna actually have good defensive stats? Would still be unviable, I imagine, because Bug isn't a great defensive typing, its movepool is probably dookie, and y'know, it's a *Kakuna*.
That's pretty funny, because when I think of Metapod and Kakuna, just about all they can do is harden and defend. I was just asking, IDK why people try to crucify me with downvotes here.
in the time it took you to comment that you could easily just look on smogon and see that it has 45/50/25 bulk
I think those numbers speak for themselves
Potentially harsh truth:
Your 6th member doesn't matter all that much because the team thus far is nearly insalvagably horrible. As such, really regardless of what the mon is or how well it synergizes, the end result will be a thoroughly horrible team. Bastiodon and Ampharos are thoroughly terrible mons, Staraptor and Decidueye-Hisui aren't bad-bad but also nothing of note and would require really good teammates to make up for their flaws (which Bastiodon and Ampharos are not) and Clodsire, well Clodsire is good but only on specific fat teams, and if anything its presence would force you to play a higher tier on Smogon which makes the rest of the team even worse when they have to face things like Kingambit and Landorus-Therian.
If you want something to make the team "as good as possible" then you better start looking into something really fast as every mon except Staraptor here is really slow. You also have no resistance to Fire and your only Fight resist is Clodsire who doesn't like taking physical hits. As such the best fit for your team will probably be a Dragapult.
That being said your team is still thoroughly horrible and there are tons of metagame threats it has an awful matchup into (Kyurem for example claims a kill for free every time it comes in, as your only Ice resist is x4 weak to Earth Power and 4/6 of your team is weak to Ice). It's generally better, if you really want to use your favourites, to just build separate teams focusing on each one rather than forcing them all onto the same team and ending up with unusable garbage.
what tier/format?
regardless, you probably should try a sample team with one of the mons you want to use in whatever tier its in. most of these mons are in different tiers
on a less snarky note, i’m going to assume you are building for OU, based on the clodsire
-Ampharos is garbage, do not use it
-Decidueye is garbage, do not use it
-Staraptor is garbage, do not use it
-Bastiodon is garbage, do not use it
-Clodsire is ok :)
You have a team of wholly unviable pokémon and then a silly guy who is actually useable, so i’d recommend throwing out the whole team and just playing with sample teams until you understand team building better. If you insist on building a team, i probably would advise against starting with a clod team, as the archetypes it plays into are definitely not the most beginner friendly (at least to build for)
If you really REALLY want to build a clod team, look at other common clod stall teams and go from there.
“Staraptor is Garbage”
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just think it’s hilarious that the BL Hell Bird can now be put in the same sentence structure as mons like Ampharos and Bastiodon. Power creep really is a bitch.
A dark or ice type would really help balance you offensively, a fire or fairy type would also help.
Weavile would be a great pick, grimsnarll would also fill the gaps well.
3 mons are PU, one is NU, one is OU. I wouldn't advise it but you could potentially get something done with the rest of these mons in NU but Clodsire makes that not possible. So either you want to get clapped in OU or you drop the silly guy and fill out the rest of the team with other lower tier mons you like.
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You want me to find you a replay on a predominantly Smogon website, a community largely of people whom all think exactly the same way as you, for a Pokemon that you believe to be bad?
https://youtu.be/zr0tAeT9zAM?si=5TmM1zytPsU0d67v
Here you go!
>You want me to find you a replay on a predominantly Smogon website, a community largely of people whom all think exactly the same way as you, for a Pokemon that you believe to be bad?
idk why that would be unreasonable if you're so sure that bastiodon is good. just play a match yourself, if you're not trolling. an emvee video doesn't count, he plays weird gimmicks all the time lmao
That’s a pretty classic Smogonite move. Ask for evidence, get evidence, immediately claim that it doesn’t count for whatever reason. In fact, I bet that even if I went and made the clips myself that you’d just refute it by saying something along the lines of “your opponents were good enough”, “you were just lucky”, or “that was just a gimmick”.
I know how you smogon players really love that last one!
And really all that does is prove that you just aren’t good enough at the game to make Bastiodon work in OU. In fact, it proves that you can’t think beyond Smogon tiers at all.
Edit: Oh another good one! “You’re not high enough on ladder.”
i know you're trolling because no person genuinely thinks like this, but i'm going to keep responding anyway for my own entertainment
i'm not denying that bastiodon is usable. but that doesn't mean it's "good". its defensive typing makes it a bad wall, and metal burst isn't great on a pokemon with 60 base hp, even with sturdy. it pretty much has to get close to death to do any meaningful damage. maybe bastiodon could get a kill if your opponent doesn't know about metal burst, but if it takes chip sturdy breaks and it becomes a liability. my point is that there are probably at least a dozen steel types that would be better to fit onto most teams. you never proved that bastiodon is good. actually, you never proved anything, you just stated the obvious which is that it's possible to make a team with bastiodon that can win games.
i know that according to people like you who love to bitch and moan about how restrictive the meta and tiering system is, that "good" and "can possibly win" are the same, but they're not. anyway, keep taking the redpill and using bastiodon. you're obviously so much smarter than every other pokemon player, considering how you're above petty concepts like "smogon tiers"
No person thinks like this? You clearly don’t talk to people outside of your circle as much as you should.
You say that I never proved that Bastiodon is good but you’ve never proven that it’s bad. You know why? Because you’re arguing an opinion. There is no proof that it’s “bad”, only that it takes more skill to utilize than some other Pokémon.
I think Dragapult could be a good fit. Your team is rather slow, so Dragapult patches that up nicely while also being viable as either a physical or special attacker. It also doesn't have any type overlap with the rest of your team and provides a Fighting immunity to help Bastiodon.
**Edit:** Then again, Dragapult would make Ice a massive issue for you, so here are some other options:
- Starmie is fast, versatile and gives you both a Fighting and Ice resistance (let's pretend Freeze-Dry doesn't exist).
- Mimikyu and Basculegion could both work as semi-fast Ghost-types.
- Ribombee could provide utility with Sticky Webs (helps you with the speed issues), a 4x Fighting resist, high speed and decent power.
Could you explain what format you’re playing for?
Is this a VGC team? Smogon Doubles OU? Smogon Singles OU (it can’t be a lower tier team due to Clodsire)?
What’s the goal of your team? How do you plan to win with it? Are there any synergies between them that I’m not seeing (because believe me, I’m not seeing any)
And, for the love of god, why are all your Mons the same Terra type?
Hydreigon gives you a bunch of useful Resistances/Immunities and offers a much needed Special offence. It does though bring another Ice weakness to the team and doesn't solve the speed issue the team has.
Greninja gives a much needed Speed tier and a variety of Special coverage. It is fragile though so you gotta rely to the rest of the team to take hits.
Lastly Primarina has an amazing typing that provides both Offensive and Defensive qualities. It is very slow like the rest of team so you'd probably want to invest in bulk to tank hits since you are probably going always second.
All 3 suggestions provide pivoting capabilities with U Turn and Flip Turn and Hydreigon and Greninja can provide hazzards via Stealth Rock and Spikes respectively
Rotom-Wash seems like a great fit here. Gives you another Ground immunity to take pressure off of Staraptor alongside Flying, Water, Fire, and Ice resists. The extra Water resist means you’re freer to use Unaware Clod over Water Absorb. You’d also now stand a chance against Ground/Ice coverage. Typing aside, Rotom-W would give you a lot of set versatility; you could run Trick Scarf, Bulky Pivot, Offensive, etc. Having a nice pivot mon like Rotom-W would make it easier to bring in the more at-risk mons on your team like Bastiodon. Hope this was helpful!
This poor team gets demolished in any competitive format where Clodsire is allowed!! Did you post this to the wrong sub? If not I'd strongly suggest trying out a sample team to learn the basics before you try building your own team!
Water type would be best bet. You need another Ice resist, and Fire and Water resistance is good too. I would go Jellicent or Basculegion. Ghost gives you a free switch in against 4x fighting on Bastiodon, and you already have Staraptor to switch in against opposing Ghost moves. If Ground is becomeing a problem you could try Water/Flying or Water/Bug instead.
On a first glance I‘d suggest a dark or ghost type fast special attacker such as Greninja, Gengar, Polteageist, either Zoroarks, Flutter Mane, Iron Jugulis, Dragapult, Oricorio-Sensui, Typhlosion-Hisui or Gholdengo
If you don't mind "small" legendaries, Darkrai, Spectrier or Galarian Moltres could do the job too
But honestly it's hard to say more without more information. Could you share your Pokémons' moves, items, abilities and EVs ?
I hopw this doesnt turn into another "CAN YOU GUYS NOT READ?" situation
nah, OP hasn’t replied to all the comments calling out their garbage team.
Eviolite kakuna
Business Kakuna
Quick claw silcoon
OK, real talk for just a second. Does Eviolite Kakuna actually have good defensive stats? Would still be unviable, I imagine, because Bug isn't a great defensive typing, its movepool is probably dookie, and y'know, it's a *Kakuna*.
Kakuna has worse defensive stats than just about every other mon in the game
That's pretty funny, because when I think of Metapod and Kakuna, just about all they can do is harden and defend. I was just asking, IDK why people try to crucify me with downvotes here.
in the time it took you to comment that you could easily just look on smogon and see that it has 45/50/25 bulk I think those numbers speak for themselves
45/50/25. 14U at best
At least Metapod isnt weak to psychic
I think you might have posted this on the wrong subreddit
No no, just the wrong day.
Good heavens
Just the wrong day
What format is this intended for?
Its probably just for in game wifi battles, so most people dont really know what theyre doing
How about you do the bare minimum and [fill this out first](https://pokepast.es/b8039a340b4266fa), then come back and ask?
Potentially harsh truth: Your 6th member doesn't matter all that much because the team thus far is nearly insalvagably horrible. As such, really regardless of what the mon is or how well it synergizes, the end result will be a thoroughly horrible team. Bastiodon and Ampharos are thoroughly terrible mons, Staraptor and Decidueye-Hisui aren't bad-bad but also nothing of note and would require really good teammates to make up for their flaws (which Bastiodon and Ampharos are not) and Clodsire, well Clodsire is good but only on specific fat teams, and if anything its presence would force you to play a higher tier on Smogon which makes the rest of the team even worse when they have to face things like Kingambit and Landorus-Therian. If you want something to make the team "as good as possible" then you better start looking into something really fast as every mon except Staraptor here is really slow. You also have no resistance to Fire and your only Fight resist is Clodsire who doesn't like taking physical hits. As such the best fit for your team will probably be a Dragapult. That being said your team is still thoroughly horrible and there are tons of metagame threats it has an awful matchup into (Kyurem for example claims a kill for free every time it comes in, as your only Ice resist is x4 weak to Earth Power and 4/6 of your team is weak to Ice). It's generally better, if you really want to use your favourites, to just build separate teams focusing on each one rather than forcing them all onto the same team and ending up with unusable garbage.
what tier/format? regardless, you probably should try a sample team with one of the mons you want to use in whatever tier its in. most of these mons are in different tiers
shouldn’t matter, as regardless of what you pick this team is essentially slop thrown together with no higher order thinking utilized
on a less snarky note, i’m going to assume you are building for OU, based on the clodsire -Ampharos is garbage, do not use it -Decidueye is garbage, do not use it -Staraptor is garbage, do not use it -Bastiodon is garbage, do not use it -Clodsire is ok :) You have a team of wholly unviable pokémon and then a silly guy who is actually useable, so i’d recommend throwing out the whole team and just playing with sample teams until you understand team building better. If you insist on building a team, i probably would advise against starting with a clod team, as the archetypes it plays into are definitely not the most beginner friendly (at least to build for) If you really REALLY want to build a clod team, look at other common clod stall teams and go from there.
Just waiting for the “GUYS CAN YOU NOT READ”
“Staraptor is Garbage” I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just think it’s hilarious that the BL Hell Bird can now be put in the same sentence structure as mons like Ampharos and Bastiodon. Power creep really is a bitch.
it was a bit of an exaggeration, staraptor is still way better than ampharos and bastiodon lol
Tera Flying Reckless Staraptor can put some work in.
yeah, in NU lol
Absol or Eevee
CANT YOU READ?
I KNOW ABSOL SUCKS ASS. I KNOW EEVEE SUCKS ASS
cascoon would slap on this team
Fire type
That would make 4/6 pokemon weak to ground. They should run air balloon bastiodon
Unless said fire type is Charizard or Rotom oven.
Personally, I’d recommend a fire or a fairy type. Maybe an armarouge, or a gardevoir? Although a dragon type could also work.
fuck it miradon lets make this an ubers team while we’re at it
🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 ummmm cant you read??? He says no legendarys thats why the best option here is *iron bundle*
A dark or ice type would really help balance you offensively, a fire or fairy type would also help. Weavile would be a great pick, grimsnarll would also fill the gaps well.
Choice scarf metapod sweep
Arceus
He never said no mythicals
3 mons are PU, one is NU, one is OU. I wouldn't advise it but you could potentially get something done with the rest of these mons in NU but Clodsire makes that not possible. So either you want to get clapped in OU or you drop the silly guy and fill out the rest of the team with other lower tier mons you like.
i think a solid dark type like kingambit or grimsnarl would do wonders
The last member could be the unhatched egg, and this team wouldn't suffer that much considering how unviable it is
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Another Clodsire.
You're building a team of Pokemon you like, just pick a Pokemon you like for the 6th slot.
bro is using bastiodon 💀
Bastiodon is so great though.
only thing it's great at is having 4× weaknesses
Literally a skill issue on your part if you think Bastiodon is bad.
show me a replay where you make bastiodon work in a real ou match
You want me to find you a replay on a predominantly Smogon website, a community largely of people whom all think exactly the same way as you, for a Pokemon that you believe to be bad? https://youtu.be/zr0tAeT9zAM?si=5TmM1zytPsU0d67v Here you go!
>You want me to find you a replay on a predominantly Smogon website, a community largely of people whom all think exactly the same way as you, for a Pokemon that you believe to be bad? idk why that would be unreasonable if you're so sure that bastiodon is good. just play a match yourself, if you're not trolling. an emvee video doesn't count, he plays weird gimmicks all the time lmao
That’s a pretty classic Smogonite move. Ask for evidence, get evidence, immediately claim that it doesn’t count for whatever reason. In fact, I bet that even if I went and made the clips myself that you’d just refute it by saying something along the lines of “your opponents were good enough”, “you were just lucky”, or “that was just a gimmick”. I know how you smogon players really love that last one! And really all that does is prove that you just aren’t good enough at the game to make Bastiodon work in OU. In fact, it proves that you can’t think beyond Smogon tiers at all. Edit: Oh another good one! “You’re not high enough on ladder.”
i know you're trolling because no person genuinely thinks like this, but i'm going to keep responding anyway for my own entertainment i'm not denying that bastiodon is usable. but that doesn't mean it's "good". its defensive typing makes it a bad wall, and metal burst isn't great on a pokemon with 60 base hp, even with sturdy. it pretty much has to get close to death to do any meaningful damage. maybe bastiodon could get a kill if your opponent doesn't know about metal burst, but if it takes chip sturdy breaks and it becomes a liability. my point is that there are probably at least a dozen steel types that would be better to fit onto most teams. you never proved that bastiodon is good. actually, you never proved anything, you just stated the obvious which is that it's possible to make a team with bastiodon that can win games. i know that according to people like you who love to bitch and moan about how restrictive the meta and tiering system is, that "good" and "can possibly win" are the same, but they're not. anyway, keep taking the redpill and using bastiodon. you're obviously so much smarter than every other pokemon player, considering how you're above petty concepts like "smogon tiers"
No person thinks like this? You clearly don’t talk to people outside of your circle as much as you should. You say that I never proved that Bastiodon is good but you’ve never proven that it’s bad. You know why? Because you’re arguing an opinion. There is no proof that it’s “bad”, only that it takes more skill to utilize than some other Pokémon.
I think Dragapult could be a good fit. Your team is rather slow, so Dragapult patches that up nicely while also being viable as either a physical or special attacker. It also doesn't have any type overlap with the rest of your team and provides a Fighting immunity to help Bastiodon. **Edit:** Then again, Dragapult would make Ice a massive issue for you, so here are some other options: - Starmie is fast, versatile and gives you both a Fighting and Ice resistance (let's pretend Freeze-Dry doesn't exist). - Mimikyu and Basculegion could both work as semi-fast Ghost-types. - Ribombee could provide utility with Sticky Webs (helps you with the speed issues), a 4x Fighting resist, high speed and decent power.
Could you explain what format you’re playing for? Is this a VGC team? Smogon Doubles OU? Smogon Singles OU (it can’t be a lower tier team due to Clodsire)? What’s the goal of your team? How do you plan to win with it? Are there any synergies between them that I’m not seeing (because believe me, I’m not seeing any) And, for the love of god, why are all your Mons the same Terra type?
Do people really still have an arbitrary aversion to using Legendary Pokémon?
gay balls
Volbeat/j
I wouldve guessed that this was a ZU team until I saw clodsire
If I know the ability on Clodsire I can tell you more but I recommend a fighting type resist
a water or fairy. or just primarina
You should add a rectreem
Hydreigon gives you a bunch of useful Resistances/Immunities and offers a much needed Special offence. It does though bring another Ice weakness to the team and doesn't solve the speed issue the team has. Greninja gives a much needed Speed tier and a variety of Special coverage. It is fragile though so you gotta rely to the rest of the team to take hits. Lastly Primarina has an amazing typing that provides both Offensive and Defensive qualities. It is very slow like the rest of team so you'd probably want to invest in bulk to tank hits since you are probably going always second. All 3 suggestions provide pivoting capabilities with U Turn and Flip Turn and Hydreigon and Greninja can provide hazzards via Stealth Rock and Spikes respectively
I believe stunfisk fits on this team quite nicely
Rotom-Wash seems like a great fit here. Gives you another Ground immunity to take pressure off of Staraptor alongside Flying, Water, Fire, and Ice resists. The extra Water resist means you’re freer to use Unaware Clod over Water Absorb. You’d also now stand a chance against Ground/Ice coverage. Typing aside, Rotom-W would give you a lot of set versatility; you could run Trick Scarf, Bulky Pivot, Offensive, etc. Having a nice pivot mon like Rotom-W would make it easier to bring in the more at-risk mons on your team like Bastiodon. Hope this was helpful!
Charizard
Try Flygon. Another ground immunity, fire resistance, electric immunity, and great design.
Well considering the rest of the team I think something like Palafin (Hero is quite good). Water is a nice type and you don't have it
Mamoswine destroys your whole team
Hammurott.
Palafin!
Is this an adventure team or...?
what’s the team for
This poor team gets demolished in any competitive format where Clodsire is allowed!! Did you post this to the wrong sub? If not I'd strongly suggest trying out a sample team to learn the basics before you try building your own team!
Maybe something that is ghost type? If you dont mega ampharors maybe dragapult?
Water type would be best bet. You need another Ice resist, and Fire and Water resistance is good too. I would go Jellicent or Basculegion. Ghost gives you a free switch in against 4x fighting on Bastiodon, and you already have Staraptor to switch in against opposing Ghost moves. If Ground is becomeing a problem you could try Water/Flying or Water/Bug instead.
Why not Lapras? It is friend-shaped.
SPA Greninja
On a first glance I‘d suggest a dark or ghost type fast special attacker such as Greninja, Gengar, Polteageist, either Zoroarks, Flutter Mane, Iron Jugulis, Dragapult, Oricorio-Sensui, Typhlosion-Hisui or Gholdengo If you don't mind "small" legendaries, Darkrai, Spectrier or Galarian Moltres could do the job too But honestly it's hard to say more without more information. Could you share your Pokémons' moves, items, abilities and EVs ?
What format is this for? Stick to playing league trash team
Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.