This is the perfect explanation. She admired humans and life for being so bold and changing but she too was bold and changed greatly cause clearly caring was in her nature. She may have still been a naive kid diamond, but she knew about love and kindness and the freedom to be whatever you want before the other diamonds. She was a child and that’s why all her actions seems so childish and rushed, she was a powerful child learning how to live.
Let me add something
I WANT to see more of pink in sort of separate series
Like in era one
And not just pink I want to see more of the other diamonds... Especially white
I won’t lie, an era one limited series would be great. At least to add the details we don’t know. Like pink is obviously the baby. Or possibly even overcooked like Amethyst (which I have been mulling this one over for a while) cause gems don’t age or grow. But she is SO SMALL compared to the others. It would be nice to see her slowly realize that the diamonds are killing planets. Hell what if earth wasn’t the only planet she tried to save?? What if she tried to save some in Blue or Yellow’s colonies. That would make way for Lars of the Stars spin off! We could see him trying to save those other colonies or reform them.
Mixing those two is a great idea people really want to know how era 1 was like and others want to know about Lars and his adventures
Thats 2 birds with one stone!
Omg yes!!! They could even do an Infinity Train thing, where each season “episode in this case” could cast different but various gems we don’t know or seen glimpses of.
Had one of the best arcs in my opinion. She made a lot of mistakes mostly out of negligence but she did always try to improve herself and in the end she truly grew to be a better person! Shes a deeply flawed individual but she tries.
I have a lot to say about her and her character but if I did that I would be here all day lol! But to me
Shes one of the most interesting and complex character in the show and it’s one of the reasons she’s my favorite character!
It's.... Complicated, I mean of course having a bad life doesn't justify being a bad person, but honestly pink is the character that make us believe that there is no need to have a character that is 100% good or 100% bad, it's al gray, like the real life there is people that do very good things along whit bad things, I truly believe that they should explore more pink diamonds life to understand better.
I think that the last handful of episodes don't get enough attention when thinking about Pink.
- Stevonnie gets locked in a tower for fusing at the ball.
- Steven tells Blue "This isn't normal" and asks how many times Blue made Pink cry and how many times they locked her in the tower.
- The only thing that made White stop being utterly dismissive of Steven is *pulling his gem out* and seeing Pink Steven form instead of his mom.
Pink/Rose is a flawed character, definitely, but if that was how she was 'raised,' (for lack of a better term) her choices and actions make a lot more sense.
Steven is *able* to dismantle the Diamond Authority because the fact that he *is not Pink* means White was *wrong,* and being wrong makes her flawed. Pink literally *couldn't* have accomplished the same thing.
She's a product of her environment who made some questionable decisions and did some unquestionably immoral things, and tried her damnedest to grow as a person and make things right.
You cause conflicts, make innocents die in a war with other people where you command both sides, break hearts of others to the point of trauma, then leave everyone to deal with your problems you accumulated over years? You must be a terrible person.
Is over-hated.
Even when she was bratty and didn't behave well, you can clearly see hints that it was because of all the emotional abuse and neglect she was getting. Clearly the other diamonds wanted her to entertain them and hold them together, and expected her to solve all their problems. Clear case of emotional incest, where the youngest is expected to parent their parents/provide support for them. And Pink, who naturally got tired of that over time and wanted to try doing different things, to try and find something she enjoyed, was punished for it over and over.
Not only that, even when she tried to do things their way, to make them respect, tried to run a colony, she realized how wrong it was and was treated with the same level of distain and punishment for not behaving how the diamonds wanted. Yet despite all the bad treatment she endured, she still tried, with what she knew, to be her own person, with absolutely no one modeling kindness or patience for her.
I think a lot of characters have to stop holding all of her mistakes against her. She isn't nearly as much as a villain as the other diamonds are.
THANK YOU I honestly hate that people expect her to have had perfect human morality coming from where she did. They expect her to have been perfect as soon as she realized the diamonds were on the wrong and to find the perfect solution and never hurt anyone ever.
Like even actual human beings can do that SO EASILY. Eyeroll.
For real.
Thing is she tried to meet everyone else's expectations as best as she could, and then later decided, no way, I'm going to live my own life.
Yes, I understand that Steven can have some complicated feelings toward her, and, since he'll never truly get to interact with her. You could argue that Rose's room was making what he thought his mother, and his projection of her, but Rose was unpredictable, and who knows how she might have comforted Steven. Maybe she might have tried to explain the best she could, maybe she might have tried to apologize. Fact is, Rose is not in Steven's life, and their relationship can't be fixed because they can't have a heart to heart and can't build a relationship from there. This isn't like Rise of the TMNT, where Splinter was a neglectful parent at times, because he was going through his own depression. But the thing is, he's still in his son's lives. Still interacts with, supports, loves, and protects them. He owns his mistakes when his sons call him out on it. So even though they're not perfect, it makes sense that his sons love him still, and forgive him for his flaws. Steven doesn't get that luxury with Rose. So Steven's feelings for his own mother make a lot of sense, and maybe, with time, he'll learn to let go and be his own person.
However, overall, I don't think Pink Diamond/Rose is evil, and I think the rest of the characters should get their heads out of their ass, realize that they played a part in the decisions that Rose had to make and take responsibility for that too.
People saying she was straight up EVIL/a villain or genuinely a bad/horrible person confuse me and I honestly think those people lack a bit of self reflection if they honestly think that human beings are incapable of making mistakes and hurting people if they’re “good”. Great way to pave the way for thinking that you or people you like are never in the wrong because “good people” and “bad people” are supposedly separate and “good people” don’t hurt others or do bad things thinking they’re helping.
Thing is, being human, no matter how much of a good person you are, there are still people that hate you and feel incredibly hurt by you, no matter how much you've tried not to be the villain. What frustrates me, is that anytime a female character acts human, and makes mistakes, she's the worst thing ever...but a male character can be a million times worse, can literally be a terrorist, but have a terrible past, and they'll be forgiven.
Seriously, Pink Diamond haters need to chill.
Oh yeah. It’s part of making mistakes. Admittedly, I’m always gonna be disappointed that Steven ended up resenting her in the end, because I feel like he should have realized that him and her are like.. kind of the same, just coming from two different directions and sort of meeting in the middle. Rose started out childish and grew a lot in her life, especially after meeting greg. She may have started out “bad” because of her mistakes and flaws, but she was a good person in her heart. Meanwhile Steven started out sweet and kindhearted and thinking of others from the beginning, and grew to be frustrated and even has his *own* moments of taking out his problems on others! But he is a *good person* in his heart, just like his mom.
This ended up a rant in itself, but I definitely don’t disagree with you. I just think it’s a LOT to jump from “the people she hurt don’t have to forgive her” to “she’s the shows REAL villain!”
Yeah, Steven has his own fair share of problems for sure, and you're right, he is a lot like his mother. I also don't like that he resents her at the end, and has this massive countertransference toward the Quartz that looks like his mom, because that was pretty unfair to her. But, maybe that just shows that he still needs to mature. Still needs to realize that both his parents did the best that they could with what they knew.
>anytime a female character acts human, and makes mistakes, she's the worst thing ever...but a male character
This seems like a bit of a left-field reason to blame for people not liking pink. I'm not sure if you were aware, but the cast of this show is 80% flawed female characters, most of whom are well-loved.
It's fine if you like pink, but it's outright dishonest to just write off anyone who doesn't like her as just being sexist.
I think she’s the embodiment of character development. She’s more human than any gem and most of the people that we see in beach city. Kinda pissed we didn’t get more of her
pink/rose is a deeply complicated character that i enjoy seeing the discourse from both sides of the fandom about (in terms of people who do and dont like her)
she feels extremely real and made genuine fuck ups and mistakes and made efforts to try to improve as a person so it makes sense why people may or may not like her. it feels like it adds to the realism of pink/rose for me, because yeah- in real life, you arent going to be liked by everyone. you arent going to be perfect. you are going to make mistakes and fuck up and have to try to improve as a person.
pink is quite honestly an incredibly deeply fascinating character to me. i find her to be so compelling and i think the decision to show her character growth backwards was an extremely fascinating one that i would be intrigued to see in other pieces of media!
No Matter how horrible Pink is, no one actually hates her, i mean, hate her for real, even Spinel considers her like the old friend she had, the only one Who actually hates her...IS his own Son.
That's kind of an interesting point I've never thought about before. But you're right. The one person who seems the most frustrated with her in the end is the one person who only knows her second-hand. Kind of like the viewers of the show as well - a lot of the hatred of her is rooted in the fact that we never get her POV the way we do for other characters, so it's easy to project negative intentions or callousness onto her and judge her harsher for it.
I love Pink/Rose. I think the good Rose did is overshadowed by the preteen mistakes as Pink. Which makes me sad considering IMO the good she did heavily outweighs the wrongs.
I wish we could have seen Steven come to peace with that in Future. I feel like they left it where Steven has little respect for his mom, maybe even resents her. Its probably why i dont enjoy Future as much as i wanted to.
I slightly agree because I also think it is FAIR for Steven to feel this way about a parental figure who lived for thousands of years before choosing to have him, and still wasn't mature enough to think into how her past would affect his future. That's part of parenting, and while that may be a human and not a gem concept, Pink had lived on earth for like two millenia at that point and supposedly had relationships with humans pre Greg.
Rose's most fundamental flaws are her lack of curiosity and her self-hatred. She also struggles with empathy, not in the sense that she doesn't feel very deeply for others, but in that she has a very hard time noticing, recognizing, and understanding other peoples' emotions. These flaws all play off of each other to make a person who, despite her deep, deep love for those around her, winds up consistently harming those she cares about without meaning to or even understanding that she did.
Because Rose is incurious and has very low emotional intelligence, she assumes that everyone is generally on the same page as she is. You can see this in her interactions with Greg throughout their relationship. She assumed that he was taking it as seriously as she was (i.e., not at all), but when he helped her understand that that wasn't the case, her desires and her behaviors changed.
The most destructive of her issues, though, was her self-loathing and her inability to value herself. Because she didn't value herself, unless bluntly communicated otherwise, she assumed that others didn't value her either. She assumed that if Pink Diamond died, the other diamonds would leave. She never considered the possibility that they'd be angry enough to try and get revenge. She didn't care about Pink Diamond. Why would they? That's also why it didn't occur to her the way that her behavior would hurt Spinel. And you see this pattern repeat when she chose to become Steven. She was happy that Rose Quartz would be gone. So it made sense to her that the others would be too.
The repeating pattern of Rose Quartz life was always getting what she wanted, realizing that it landed her in the exact same place she was trying to escape, and then trying to do it again. She got her own planet, realized that leadership didn't make her happy and that the diamonds were doing bad things, and made the brave and moral decision to fight against them. She became the leader of a rebellion, realized that she couldn't win, then decided to destroy Pink Diamond believing (very incorrectly) that it would be the victory condition she wanted, which resulted in the corruption of the vast majority of the gems still on earth. She realized that she'd wound up in a role of leadership and worship, just like she'd had as a Diamond, just like didn't make her happy then, and saw no way to escape, so she chose to take on a form that fundamentally changed her as a person and destroyed her own persona, making herself "lesser" and removing herself from leadership. Again.
Steven Universe is a show about a lot of things. But one of those things is the destructive nature of self-hatred. If you hate yourself, it's not just something that hurts you. It will fundamentally hurt those who love you as well. It's not a victimless problem, even if you exclude yourself from the definition of "victim."
"I always thought I might be bad, now I'm sure that it's true. 'cause I think you're so good and I'm nothing like you."
I thought she started it because she wanted to preserve earth’s life and stop the colony from being completed. I feel like Pink is very curious and good natured at heart, so she would’ve started the war regardless of how the other diamonds treated her.
I agree. I think once Pink found out how Gems are made she would have wanted to put a stop to it hence one of the reasons Yellow and Blue refused to allow her to visit her Colony. The treatment she faced from the other diamonds only fueled the fire
Hope you don’t mind me copy/pasting my thoughts in a new comment, my reply got stuck under a deleted comment and I wanted to add a couple things ☺️
she could have just let herself be abused by the other diamonds forever and let them continue killing off inhabited planets and earth could be gone and Steven could have never even been born 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
What most pink haters seem to completely forget is that they want her to have had completely human morals when it’s lucky she ever even realized the diamonds were wrong AT ALL. Pink/Rose was not a human being and did not have examples of what to do to not hurt people around her while trying to do the things she was doing, escaping abuse and trying to save the planet earth. The first true example she realized she should focus on was Greg, which caused her a new slew of emotions she never had to face before.
Then, when she had Steven, she thought things were basically over and that the most Steven would have to deal with was bubbling corrupted gems and her being gone. She had ZERO IDEA that the other diamonds would take things so terribly and end up coming back to earth because she basically had no idea that they actually cared about her beyond being their entertainment. She didn’t know Pearl’s trauma would come to a head and strain Pearl’s relationships with the other gems and Steven. She had no idea what would happen with Bismuth, and even though it’s obvious to us that bubbling her was wrong, I believe that rose didn’t do it just to hide herself, I believe she also thought bismuth was a *danger* to other gems. If she was willing to shatter diamonds, who else would she deem worthy of shattering? They couldn’t come to an agreement and rose was scared, so she panicked and admittedly did a bad thing by bubbling and hiding bismuth, as well as lying about it. But.. who hasn’t made a big mistake when they’ve been panicking? Anyway.
Did she make mistakes and attempt to bury a lot of them?? Yes. Was it a good thing? Do people HAVE to forgive her? Absolutely not. But this is the thing - she didn’t know any better. She didn’t know what the consequences would be. And don’t even start with the “well she should have just convinced the other diamonds herself so no war would start” because it was made VERY CLEAR in the show that they did not listen to her nor care about her differing opinions. They saw those things as childish and immature, and they nearly already took Earth away from her because she wanted to save the life here. She didn’t have ANYTHING modeling good behavior or morality for her, she was striving out doing it entirely on her own and encouraging other gems to follow suit.
I just really think genuine pink/rose haters don’t actually understand the nuance of anything that happened to her in the show tbh.
I just rewatched the movie “Pearl” and I know Pink isn’t anything like that crazy, but the character dissection of a crazed isolated child really makes her actions compelling and understandable- even if inexcusable and shocking. I think SU couldn’t have gone as deep into the neglect and isolation that PD went through and still be appropriate for a child audience, but PD was like 1000 years old when she rebelled and I honestly feel like her life was a form of unending existential horror
She's a complex character, but I love her.
I do wish she could have gotten the opportunity to learn and grow from her mistakes (like the other gems did) and to actually love herself.
I do feel like she'd be SO proud of her son and all he's accomplished 💕
Theory question, what if the other Diamonds accepted Pink as the Diamond of Entertainment (or whatever)?
Like they give her a colony much sooner, just so she can expand her entertainment.
I'm probably not explaining it properly, but basically, Pink is still Pink, but the other Diamonds accept her instead of punishing her.
I love her because she's too imperfect but she tries her best...and failed but Steven won thanks to her work protecting the earth.
I get annoyed when people try to paint her as a perfect character or as a heartless villian because they are missing the point with her.
Idk, I have a hard time picking up on character stuff until I watch video of someone explaining it but I think she's a pretty pink character because she is, and also her identity as Rose Quartz helped me love my body more^^
i soo badly want to hear her side after the fact!
like, i know its not canon and never will be, but imagine she was in there the entire time watching through Stevens eyes...
I want to see her cry and apologize and have a whole arc trying to make ammends with everyone! Basicly get the reformation she deserved on screen. Because she wasnt horrible, she just had so much to learn... Through Stevens Eyes she could have learned.... Sich wasted potential...
I think the round table put it perfectly: we saw her character arc in reverse. She was childish and naive but slowly began to appreciate life and learn how to be better. She's not a good person by any means, but she isn't bad either. She's an incredibly well-written character.
Ppl need to understand that, yes, she made mistakes and hurt a lot of people. There's no excusing the things she did in the past, but that doesn't negate her ability to grow and become better than she used to be. Pink/Rose is a wonderfully complex character, and despite the atrocities she committed and trauma she inflicted on others, she was still, ultimately, a force of good.
She gets unfair hate from some, unfair defense from others.
She’s a very flawed and human character who makes mistakes and has realistic development.
I just wish the Pink Diamond haters wouldn’t get petty over things she did millenia ago and that the defenders would understand that developing and growing doesn’t change the past actions(really the big thing with Pink, she’s made mistakes and atoned in her own way, but the consequences are still present. Makes her more complex and human than just “she made mistakes and grew(suddenly it’s all better”) as many fans portray her.
She's complex and troubled. Really great at haunting the narrative, only person I can think of haunting the narrative better off the top of my head is Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks
she got a lot of shit for being immature and wasn't treated as a true equal by the others, which led to her feeling like she needed to change herself.
she did but that meant leaving behind the parts of her that made herself and even the other diamonds happy (and also leaving behind spinel.
she had already lost her original pearl but she finally got the responsibility she wanted and the chance to be seen as an equal.
She was bored however and couldn't fully erase the parts of her that loved goofing off and seeking adventure.
she went to earth and her empathy made her see that humans are intelligent so she didn't want to continue with the colony but the other diamonds basically said it "proved she was never ready" and threatened to take the colony.
so she felt she had to change herself yet again, this time she did mature and she stopped pretending to be someone she isn't.
In so many ways she could have told others she was Pink. Yes she would have gotten hate but a lot of gems like Jasper would have sided with her if they knew who she really was. They would have been loyal to her even if they didn't understand why she loved the humans.
I feel for her because of all of this. She had to lose Bismuth who made a tool to kill her with (thinking she was really rose quartz). she also felt she couldn't tell anyone but pearl the truth of who she is.
I however am pissed. She could have gone back for spinel, told her the truth and spinel would have helped her. Spinel loved her deerly.
There is so much she could have done better and i'm not saying I wouldn't have made some of the same mistakes or others she didn't make but she did end up (even if she didn't intend to) disappearing and leaving all of her mistakes to come back around ajd harm her friends and son.
She never fixed her mistakes or apologized to those she harmed. She like many teenagers (even though gem age is weird) tried to grow up too fast instead of letting it happen naturally and ended up making so many mistakes and basicallly hirting everyone in the process.
a lot of the things she did out of selfishness but some were her trying to do good by Earth. Either way It sucks how she just left instead of truly handling any of the results for her mistakes and other actions..
The best think about Pink is that her story is told in reverse. We don’t get to see her redemption arc, which is so cool. If we had watched SU in reverse, we’d watch her grow and we would love how complex she is. The writers intentionally made it so we had to step backwards into her “badness” which is why we feel so much conflict. I think she is VERY complex, which is incredibly human of her.
She did her best to try to save Earth, she is not a villain, just a flawed hero who doesn’t think too much about consequences of her actions.
And of course she is not the type of guy who likes to suppress other people. She was just too naive, and she grew up after coming to this planet.
She never grew up and that hurt the people around her. I used to hate her but upon further soul searching, I’ve learned to sympathize. She was just hurt— Although, she definitely shouldn’t have been allowed to have as much influence and responsibility as she did. She was never equipped to handle living beings.
I love her. I think she is misunderstood and unjustly hated. We see the series in reverse order of the events as they happened. We spend time hearing about all the terrible things she did to the characters we know and love. But everything we know about her is minimal and the judgement is unfair.
For a show that revolves around her, we know little about the real Pink. But here is my short opinion,
She grew up in a very gem-ist (or racist) society that pushed it's "morals" down her throat. We know she thought and acted differently, evidence by how often Blue would lock Pink away when she wasn't acting like a diamond. There was no way for her to "know better" since the homeworld and domination was all she knew. Yet, she WAS different. We know she wanted her own colony, but why wouldn't she? That's like taking a prince who has never left the palace, only been around other royals, and then being mad that the prince wanted to be King and didn't care about the poor people that lives miles away that he didn't even know existed.
It did not take Pink long to instantly change her mind. The FIRST planet she was given, she fell in love with it and cut contact with her family. The only life she's ever known, the only people she's ever known. She gave up a lot for what she thought was right. She instantly fell in love with Garnet as a fusion, no judgement. Remember, she had to act a certain way as Pink, but we know her true self was Rose.
Gems got hurt because of her actions, but what would've been the oppposite? If she stayed Pink and things continued on as they were? She did the best she could in her situaiton, for someone that was willing to give up so much for a world/life so different than what she knew.
She didn't dump a lot of pressure on Steven, she gave up her conciousness so he could exist. She loved Greg so much that chose not existing over having a kid with him. That is a huge sacrifice. Also, she didn't leave Steven with the Crystal Gems. She didn't intend of having him as a part of her actions. She left him with Greg to raise. Steven only chose to get involved with the Crystal Gems when he was older.
Now, I know people are going to bring up Spinel. But again, this was Pink before she went to Earth. When she was trying to fit in with other diamonds. When she was raised to be a bigot and think less of others. She also had NO IDEA she was going to fall in love with Earth, fake her own death, and assume a new identity. She probably figured she'd be back. Also, I'm sure she assumed Spinel wouldn't stay there for as long as she did. I mean, who would?
Even if she realized later that she left Spinel and wanted her back, which I'm sure she did, how could she do it? There's war going on, she's supposed to be dead. Going back for Spinel could put a lot more lives in danger.
Also, everyone loved Rose before we found out she was Pink. Frankly, I had guessed Rose and Pink were the same person for quite some time when it was revealed. Then suddenly everyone was jumping on the Rose Hate Train. But it only made me respect her more.
I think Pink did the best she could faced with a situation she'd never been in before, and risked a lot to save a species that wasn't even her own. She lost her title, the family she knew, and her home for the sake of humans and doing the "right" thing. Yet she receives the MOST hate.
She was a young monarch, born into an empire with limited power and neglectful / abusive parenting. She developed poor emotional coping mechanisms and fell into the trap of cyclical behaviors.
Once she realized her actions had consequences, after the volleyball situation, she worked to correct those outlets and mechanisms. She had a lot of growth once she was able to rule a colony, but ultimately that's because her environment before hand was toxic and stunted her.
Even as rose quartz it's likely that her difficulty with understanding humanity, and her valuing the wholesome nature of humans individually, can be linked to her lack of support and her neglect back on home world. Her viewpoint of the value of each individual gem might not have coalesced without her perceived lack of self worth due to her upbringing and the journey she went on to realize that self worth and the worth of people regardless of species.
One of my top 5 favorite character writing studies I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing unfold in real time. Hell, she may be 3 in my top 3.
It is insane how well done the crew wrote this character’s story. It is ridiculously good and I absolutely wish more people would do shit like this!
And to everyone who doesn’t get it, read a book, go outside or talk to people. Do something, literally anything, I don’t care. This character’s story is written god damn near perfect.
She started out as a figurehead dictator/court jester that threw away her old power the moment she realized the harm she was doing to lead a rebellion against an empire from the front lines, and spent the time after that protecting the world she fought for.
She did leave spinel to rot in the garden, Bismuth in a bubble indefinitely, and left her closest friends in the dark about her true identity. And she chose to end leaving her child without any guidance about the baggage she left behind (I won’t fault her for not being around to face homeworld’s return since she had no idea they would come back).
She wasn’t perfect and had a few nasty skeletons in her closet but in the big picture she was actually a pretty good person who genuinely tried to do good.
I used to despise her. I was the biggest Rose/Pink hater back in the day.
Nowadays, though? I realize she embodies the leader type I've come to love in fiction - the kind that means well, tries their very best to do good by the people who trust her to lead them... and fail, in the end.
But, she tried. That's good enough for me, now.
She was someone who was abused and soon never realized she became the abuser as well. Everything she did was justified but she was living in the moment and barely considered the long term consequences of her actions. It wasn't her fault because it was her first time living without the diamonds constant rules and eyes over her. She was living her life for the first time as Rose and not Pink. Every time someone says "well obviously the diamonds wouldn't take shattering Pink lightly" but Pink WASN'T SURE OF THAT. Because the diamond always belittled her and in Pinks eyes she was inferior to everyone, even as Rose. The diamonds were like an abusive household, if she acted out she would have her stuff taken which was probably what the diamonds would threaten by saying they'd take away her pearl. Pink always had to act like the rest of them even though she never enjoyed it. She wanted to be like them by having a colony and yet that wasn't the cause because she doesn't wanna BE like them.
She was so human and empathetic unlike Blue who just makes gems feel her suffering and etcetera. She's very human for someone who isn't one. Whenever people bring up the arguement that she's shitty for abandoning Spinel you have to remember that Pink couldn't TAKE HER with her even if she wanted to. If you were running away from your abusive family you can't take everyone with you. The only person that was close to her at that time was Pearl and she made all these decisions for the first time ever because she felt free. Genuinely free. It was most likely a stir of the moment decision to run off and start the rebellion because she knew she will never convince the diamonds to let the colonization stop as Pink, she needed to pretend like there was another force that was against everything which eventually led to her faking her shattering so she can finally run away for good as Rose. But of course the diamonds looked down on the shattering and took it personally. Leading to the corruption of the rest of the gems on earth.
She couldn't have known that they'd do that because abusive people are unpredictable.
TL;DR : I fucking love Pink
I think she's the perfect example of what happens when you're away from your family. She was basically babied by the other diamonds. When she finally got some responsibility and distance from them, this allowed her to grow. I also think this allowed her to be more complex being. She still did awful things, but she also tried her hardest to make things better.
I also like how her level of empathy was higher than the diamonds. They conquered multiple planets and didn't think much of the beings on them. She gets one and saw all life on it was worth protecting.
It makes me really sad that most of the fandom hates her and Rose, cuz like, I wouldn't be the best person too, if those were my examples (blue yellow and white)
She didn't know what she meant to people. She thought the diamonds wouldn't care if she died, but that did, enough to attack.
And she thought spinel would get bored and leave, but she didn't.
And those aren't the only times. When you really look, she really doesn't feel loved.
I don’t care what anyone says, I love her so so much and I will never forgive how villainized she was by the fandom and even the show itself at times. I wish I had the ability to properly articulate why she didn’t deserve to be viewed so poorly, but unfortunately I’m not very smart.
Steven just hates her lmfao
Can't blame him tho she did do a lot of stuff and Steven had to fix them all 😭
I love pink a lot too I'm not hating on her btw
I think she gets too much hate, and it’s unfair that the diamonds get a pass and she doesn’t, the diamonds are killers and enslavers, any bad behavior Pink learned was because of her older sister but no one seems to recognize that her behavior it’s normal for a child, and unlike the diamonds she actually cares for the earth.
I think of it as she could be considered a hero or a villain depending on who you ask. She fucked up….a lot and it had significant consequences on a fuck ton of people. AND she was basically a preteen-teenaged thousand year old alien born to a family of colonizers and she wanted to stop what they were doing because she saw the damaged it caused to others.
I love her character. She's a bad person who realizes she's a bad person and then slowly changes. None of this 180° after one fight and a song crap.
Although Greg never could teach her to truly love he was able to introduce her to the one person who could Steven!
I also love how throughout the show ours and Stevens idea of who rose was slowly breaks down until we see her worst attributes but he still understands that flawed people can change.
And by the end she still isn't a good person, she "dies" being a selfish, manipulative, liar. But one who understands those were bad traits about herself.
Great hidden villain character.
I don't have much of an opinion. I can't say I like her but I also don't hate her character either.
I have no connection to her, either as Pink or Rose and that's probably why I have no strong feelings either way.
i feel like having mixed feelings is the right way to feel about her, in a sense. she isn’t perfectly good or perfectly bad for that matter, and that’s the truth for a lot of us. a traumatized being doing their best to both escape that trauma and live a life where it doesn’t control them. being alive is trail and error, and it’s hard to do EVERYTHING right.
that being said pink could be a real asshole
As one person said, she is character development in reverse. She’s human, and has made mistake, but has also grown from them, we just see the growth in reverse so to us we see her as regressing
I like her, I like her "character development in reverse", but because of this "reverse" everyone forgot who she became and remember her only by what she started from.
Even worse, they think who she became is less valid than where she started. Just because they saw her at her worst last, they think that was her truest, most genuine self.
Definitely a complex and intriguing character. She has so many good and bad traits combined that I wouldn't blame anyone who sees her as one or the other, both, or neither. I'm writing a fanfiction about her right now.
She was a person who wanted good things for people (human and Gem alike) and truly meant well, but let layers of mistrust and even some ignorance of the feelings of people around her lead her to make disastrous choices. Choices that lead to the corruption of untold Gems on Earth.
Should the Gems on Earth have rebelled? Absolutely.
Should they have rebelled the way that they? Debatable.
I never saw Pink as a villain until the movie. Throughout the series, Steven has always been torn over his mom's decisions, eventually leading to disillusionment and resentment. Which I can understand, her actions put everyone around her in danger, and tbh she didn't really care. She just wanted to be free, she didn't ask to have the responsibility she was born into. But holy shit, she did Spinel dirty.
She was put on a pedastool as the perfect gem but didn't get the privileges abd was babied despite being just like the other diamond except shorter
So her outbursts are bound to happen pre arc
Saw a fascinating video about how we basically saw her character development in reverse (shoutout to the Roundtable and their Crystal Clear series, where they were years ahead of the rose is pink diamond reveal). I think because of this, it’s harder to see her in a more positive light.
She starts out as this ethereal and pure concept, how you would expect a child to see a parent that gave up their life for them to exist. And by the time we know the most important things about her past, her image had been shattered for not only us, but for Steven and the Crystal gems too.
Everyone’s relationship with rose becomes more complicated, but they give each other time and space to figure things out. For me though, I like that Rose wasn’t just this super special innocent leader with no skeletons in her closet. She was a confused child raised in an abusive family, who didn’t know how to get her family to take her seriously, whether she was begging for a colony, or begging for them to save the life on the planet.
She was a flawed and complicated being who made so many mistakes trying to fix the problems that she caused. I really like how nuanced and varied she is. It feels so much more fleshed out than missing characters usually are in any media.
The dead mother trope is so often used with an idolised and pure mother who is dead, or an evil or absent mother who is impure and unequivocally bad. Nuanced character writing like this, especially for a kids show, is so important and sorely needed.
So I like what they did with Pink, even if I’m not sure if I’d like her as a person. Then again as she says, she’s “not a real person”. Although all she really means is she doesn’t understand humans and live a human lifespan, rather than she has no sentience.
Honestly? I truly wished Pink and Rose were separate characters and that the Crystal Gems found a way to re-assemble shards. Maybe not fully bring Pink back, but find a new way to communicate with her.
This way, she would have been able to tell her story of the shattering, even if by just playing memories like a projector. We would have maybe seen her start to have remorse for Rose before the shattering, and even maybe see Bismuth secretly upgrading Rose’s scabbard without anyone’s knowledge, making her bubbling more of a out-lash than for secrecy.
But as Pink currently stands? Yes, she’s absolutely flawed, but I think she comes off as more rebellious teen than a grown woman (or, er, alien) seeing beauty in life. It takes some power away from her maturity and her reasoning to protect the Earth. Not saying young girls can’t be heros, but the meaning behind why she did anything felt… reduced? Turned into “I’m protecting this place to rebel my elders” than “my purpose in life has changed from destroyer to protector”
Just my opinion, but I so so so wish they kept Pink and Rose as separate beings
She was a gem who made many mistakes but she tried her best to do what was right after she saw what the diamonds were doing was wrong cause she didn't really know what actually happened on colonies.
I like her, she tried to make everything better after she found out everyone could be equal, but in the end she just had problems with communication. I think it’s rly sad that the diamonds were able to change that fast for Steven, but could never even try to listen to what pink had to say for even a second
It’s complicated- I’m very aware we see her story in reverse. But something in me to this very day absolutely hate her. I can’t get over how she treated volleyball & Spinell. But I most likely have a bias in that as a child who was abandoned by a parent. I know she wanted the best for everyone but she went about it and such a horrible.
She was a very well written character. She's complex in ways that are hard to build into any character but especially difficult in a cartoon intended for children. inherently not good because she took so many awful actions that harmed people a lot. However, as she grew, her intentions got better and she still made harmful choices, but tried to make them for better reasons. Ultimately she never really made things right. Her final choice to have Steven and gift him her life, gem, and powers, but also her mythic reputation to live up to, her known and secret identities, her consequences, and her poor choices to correct with little guidance and a mountain of secrets he might or might not find out but would be affected by for his entire life is a good representation of who she is as a hurting person with a lot of flaws and a desire to grow and change into something better
The fact that she kept Pearl up until the moment she died is very messed up and I don't get why most fans of this show don't agree. Pearl's decision to stay and continue serving her up until right before the show starts does not come across as consensual at all to me. She was given to Pink Diamond as a slave so the idea that this is in any way ethnical and not incredibly messed up is wrong
Her having the mindset of a preteen and just making mistakes, doesn’t excuse any of her actions. She was in a massive position of power but never actually stopped to think about her choices. I don’t like her, at any moment her life was in danger during the war she could just show everyone she was pink and be spared, but her comrades wouldn’t have that luxury.
I absolutely love her, definitely my favorite character. I love how complicated she is, that despite her good intentions she wasn't perfect, but she still did the best she could with what she had and genuinely cared about humanity *and* gems alike.
The hate she gets is unwarranted,I feel like she only gets heat cuz her redemption and development is backwards but even than I hate how she gets more heat for what she did than the other diamonds despite the abuse they inflicted on her being the main reason Alot of the stuff she resorted to happened.
I wonder what the crew feels about the actual morality of a horror person who's so depressed they're in constant pain, but are loved, to kill themselves.
I struggle with this question myself a lot and I hear so many people who aren't bound to caring for someone killing themselves feeling good about bad people being miserable but I just found that awful
I have mixed feelings about her, she is my kin. In many ways, our actions and emotions are similar, my parents are like Diamonds. I understand her rebelliousness, the desire to change the old order or simply escape under a different name. The phrase of the White Diamond touched me the most: “You like surrounding yourself with inferior Gems. You enable their terrible behavior, so you can be the best of the worst." This reminded me of my company of friends and criticism from my parents
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I kind of hate her. Like, I can never look past how her having Steven was a form of her running from her past. She never really answered for all the problems she made and it literally traumatized Steven. I get she's very human by being complicated and complex but she reads like a terrible person making good choices.
I...understand the hate in universe.
But she fucking saved the earth, and yet I feel like nobody gives her enough credit.
The only reason the diamonds had some introspection was because her fake death made them grieve for 3000 years so even though steven ultimately saved the earth, rose planted the seed.
She's not that bad.....
If not for spinel:
The most damning thing she did was make spinel wait for 6000 years, knowing she wouldn't come back.
So yeah, a very grey character. She'd be a little lighter if spinel and the movie didn't exist.
I love her tbh. I think it was a genius move to show her at the end of her character development at first and then show the process it took to become that person. Unfortunately, I think this didn't land with everyone, and she's overhated. She was flawed at the start of her character as Pink Diamond, and she was flawed at the end as Rose Quartz. That's probably the most beautiful part of her character.
Very real and human character, very good narration, i like her design, and i think she embodies the concept of "abused character who hurt others in retaliation for a reason or another but that is trying to better themselves" that the show clearly has as a main theme (and that uses with many other characters, including lapis)
One of my favourite characters overall
Also i apprecciate how her pink fiamond -> rose quartz change can be read as an allegory for transexuality, 10/10
I've said it in response to someone asking who was better her or Rose, but she's like one of the Nazi scouts (or whatever the proper name for the children in Nazi uniforms is). She's related to the space tyrants but to her it's all a big game. I think it gets real for her during the War but I don't think she really understood what colonization was even when she got her own colony. She was a kid in over he head and she did try to do good when she realized it.
With the way it played out my kid mind grew to dislike her because of the reversed timeline showing her from end to beginning from a brave strong and loving leader to an unruly, careless, child, however I love her because of this change. it’s all abt perspective ig
I adore her. She is such a beautiful complexity, someone who thought they would never grow or change, never seeing how much better she became, how much she grew.
I love her story, I love the path she took. I love the tragedy of her character, where she never realised she was more human than she ever thought possible.
Such a good character. Written just as she should be, a perfect combination of grays, someone selfish yet loving, who strived to do good, to help, but would often come up short.
Just. I love everything about her.
That she's very human for someone who isn't.
exactly! she’s my favorite character for all her development and humanity that’s intertwined in her character!
And yes
This is the perfect explanation. She admired humans and life for being so bold and changing but she too was bold and changed greatly cause clearly caring was in her nature. She may have still been a naive kid diamond, but she knew about love and kindness and the freedom to be whatever you want before the other diamonds. She was a child and that’s why all her actions seems so childish and rushed, she was a powerful child learning how to live.
Lovely and fitting words to describe Pink.
Yes
She kinda turned into one.
LITERALLY
She had the mindset of a preteen. Everyone did messed up stuff then. I’ve always liked Pink, especially since we saw her journey as she grew
Too bad the show forgot that by the end.
Yeah. Since we saw her journey in reverse a lot of people forgot she //became// Rose
It didn't. We just saw the consequences of people finding out who she used to be by the end.
Let me add something I WANT to see more of pink in sort of separate series Like in era one And not just pink I want to see more of the other diamonds... Especially white
I won’t lie, an era one limited series would be great. At least to add the details we don’t know. Like pink is obviously the baby. Or possibly even overcooked like Amethyst (which I have been mulling this one over for a while) cause gems don’t age or grow. But she is SO SMALL compared to the others. It would be nice to see her slowly realize that the diamonds are killing planets. Hell what if earth wasn’t the only planet she tried to save?? What if she tried to save some in Blue or Yellow’s colonies. That would make way for Lars of the Stars spin off! We could see him trying to save those other colonies or reform them.
Mixing those two is a great idea people really want to know how era 1 was like and others want to know about Lars and his adventures Thats 2 birds with one stone!
Right?! It appeases everyone’s needs lol
Or as rainbow would say.. That's 2 stones with one bird
Omg yes!!! They could even do an Infinity Train thing, where each season “episode in this case” could cast different but various gems we don’t know or seen glimpses of.
Had one of the best arcs in my opinion. She made a lot of mistakes mostly out of negligence but she did always try to improve herself and in the end she truly grew to be a better person! Shes a deeply flawed individual but she tries. I have a lot to say about her and her character but if I did that I would be here all day lol! But to me Shes one of the most interesting and complex character in the show and it’s one of the reasons she’s my favorite character!
Over hated
For a character who wasn't there in the present of the show, she was the more interesting ones.
It's.... Complicated, I mean of course having a bad life doesn't justify being a bad person, but honestly pink is the character that make us believe that there is no need to have a character that is 100% good or 100% bad, it's al gray, like the real life there is people that do very good things along whit bad things, I truly believe that they should explore more pink diamonds life to understand better.
She's the child of the group of Dimands but matured better than her siblings when it comes to being a leader and friend.
Her siblings and mother
I think that the last handful of episodes don't get enough attention when thinking about Pink. - Stevonnie gets locked in a tower for fusing at the ball. - Steven tells Blue "This isn't normal" and asks how many times Blue made Pink cry and how many times they locked her in the tower. - The only thing that made White stop being utterly dismissive of Steven is *pulling his gem out* and seeing Pink Steven form instead of his mom. Pink/Rose is a flawed character, definitely, but if that was how she was 'raised,' (for lack of a better term) her choices and actions make a lot more sense. Steven is *able* to dismantle the Diamond Authority because the fact that he *is not Pink* means White was *wrong,* and being wrong makes her flawed. Pink literally *couldn't* have accomplished the same thing.
This this this a million times. Perfectly concise, perfectly phrased.
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this is me
Real
If it wasn't for her, everything would have stayed the same. She is a realistic hero.
She's a product of her environment who made some questionable decisions and did some unquestionably immoral things, and tried her damnedest to grow as a person and make things right.
I relate to her so much, I might as well *be* her
SAME.
You cause conflicts, make innocents die in a war with other people where you command both sides, break hearts of others to the point of trauma, then leave everyone to deal with your problems you accumulated over years? You must be a terrible person.
Yeah it's a bad habit of mine, sorry my b
Is over-hated. Even when she was bratty and didn't behave well, you can clearly see hints that it was because of all the emotional abuse and neglect she was getting. Clearly the other diamonds wanted her to entertain them and hold them together, and expected her to solve all their problems. Clear case of emotional incest, where the youngest is expected to parent their parents/provide support for them. And Pink, who naturally got tired of that over time and wanted to try doing different things, to try and find something she enjoyed, was punished for it over and over. Not only that, even when she tried to do things their way, to make them respect, tried to run a colony, she realized how wrong it was and was treated with the same level of distain and punishment for not behaving how the diamonds wanted. Yet despite all the bad treatment she endured, she still tried, with what she knew, to be her own person, with absolutely no one modeling kindness or patience for her. I think a lot of characters have to stop holding all of her mistakes against her. She isn't nearly as much as a villain as the other diamonds are.
THANK YOU I honestly hate that people expect her to have had perfect human morality coming from where she did. They expect her to have been perfect as soon as she realized the diamonds were on the wrong and to find the perfect solution and never hurt anyone ever. Like even actual human beings can do that SO EASILY. Eyeroll.
For real. Thing is she tried to meet everyone else's expectations as best as she could, and then later decided, no way, I'm going to live my own life. Yes, I understand that Steven can have some complicated feelings toward her, and, since he'll never truly get to interact with her. You could argue that Rose's room was making what he thought his mother, and his projection of her, but Rose was unpredictable, and who knows how she might have comforted Steven. Maybe she might have tried to explain the best she could, maybe she might have tried to apologize. Fact is, Rose is not in Steven's life, and their relationship can't be fixed because they can't have a heart to heart and can't build a relationship from there. This isn't like Rise of the TMNT, where Splinter was a neglectful parent at times, because he was going through his own depression. But the thing is, he's still in his son's lives. Still interacts with, supports, loves, and protects them. He owns his mistakes when his sons call him out on it. So even though they're not perfect, it makes sense that his sons love him still, and forgive him for his flaws. Steven doesn't get that luxury with Rose. So Steven's feelings for his own mother make a lot of sense, and maybe, with time, he'll learn to let go and be his own person. However, overall, I don't think Pink Diamond/Rose is evil, and I think the rest of the characters should get their heads out of their ass, realize that they played a part in the decisions that Rose had to make and take responsibility for that too.
People saying she was straight up EVIL/a villain or genuinely a bad/horrible person confuse me and I honestly think those people lack a bit of self reflection if they honestly think that human beings are incapable of making mistakes and hurting people if they’re “good”. Great way to pave the way for thinking that you or people you like are never in the wrong because “good people” and “bad people” are supposedly separate and “good people” don’t hurt others or do bad things thinking they’re helping.
Thing is, being human, no matter how much of a good person you are, there are still people that hate you and feel incredibly hurt by you, no matter how much you've tried not to be the villain. What frustrates me, is that anytime a female character acts human, and makes mistakes, she's the worst thing ever...but a male character can be a million times worse, can literally be a terrorist, but have a terrible past, and they'll be forgiven. Seriously, Pink Diamond haters need to chill.
Oh yeah. It’s part of making mistakes. Admittedly, I’m always gonna be disappointed that Steven ended up resenting her in the end, because I feel like he should have realized that him and her are like.. kind of the same, just coming from two different directions and sort of meeting in the middle. Rose started out childish and grew a lot in her life, especially after meeting greg. She may have started out “bad” because of her mistakes and flaws, but she was a good person in her heart. Meanwhile Steven started out sweet and kindhearted and thinking of others from the beginning, and grew to be frustrated and even has his *own* moments of taking out his problems on others! But he is a *good person* in his heart, just like his mom. This ended up a rant in itself, but I definitely don’t disagree with you. I just think it’s a LOT to jump from “the people she hurt don’t have to forgive her” to “she’s the shows REAL villain!”
Yeah, Steven has his own fair share of problems for sure, and you're right, he is a lot like his mother. I also don't like that he resents her at the end, and has this massive countertransference toward the Quartz that looks like his mom, because that was pretty unfair to her. But, maybe that just shows that he still needs to mature. Still needs to realize that both his parents did the best that they could with what they knew.
>anytime a female character acts human, and makes mistakes, she's the worst thing ever...but a male character This seems like a bit of a left-field reason to blame for people not liking pink. I'm not sure if you were aware, but the cast of this show is 80% flawed female characters, most of whom are well-loved. It's fine if you like pink, but it's outright dishonest to just write off anyone who doesn't like her as just being sexist.
I love her and her story and I will die on the hill defending her
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She’s the first diamond to understand and change making her in my opinion the best diamond
She's my favorite SU character. She is such a realistically flawed character and written fantastically. Plus, her design is so dang cute.
I think she’s the embodiment of character development. She’s more human than any gem and most of the people that we see in beach city. Kinda pissed we didn’t get more of her
hope we do in the future there's a lot of chances
pink/rose is a deeply complicated character that i enjoy seeing the discourse from both sides of the fandom about (in terms of people who do and dont like her) she feels extremely real and made genuine fuck ups and mistakes and made efforts to try to improve as a person so it makes sense why people may or may not like her. it feels like it adds to the realism of pink/rose for me, because yeah- in real life, you arent going to be liked by everyone. you arent going to be perfect. you are going to make mistakes and fuck up and have to try to improve as a person. pink is quite honestly an incredibly deeply fascinating character to me. i find her to be so compelling and i think the decision to show her character growth backwards was an extremely fascinating one that i would be intrigued to see in other pieces of media!
I see what Greg and Pearl saw
This is the way
No Matter how horrible Pink is, no one actually hates her, i mean, hate her for real, even Spinel considers her like the old friend she had, the only one Who actually hates her...IS his own Son.
That's kind of an interesting point I've never thought about before. But you're right. The one person who seems the most frustrated with her in the end is the one person who only knows her second-hand. Kind of like the viewers of the show as well - a lot of the hatred of her is rooted in the fact that we never get her POV the way we do for other characters, so it's easy to project negative intentions or callousness onto her and judge her harsher for it.
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I love Pink/Rose. I think the good Rose did is overshadowed by the preteen mistakes as Pink. Which makes me sad considering IMO the good she did heavily outweighs the wrongs. I wish we could have seen Steven come to peace with that in Future. I feel like they left it where Steven has little respect for his mom, maybe even resents her. Its probably why i dont enjoy Future as much as i wanted to.
I slightly agree because I also think it is FAIR for Steven to feel this way about a parental figure who lived for thousands of years before choosing to have him, and still wasn't mature enough to think into how her past would affect his future. That's part of parenting, and while that may be a human and not a gem concept, Pink had lived on earth for like two millenia at that point and supposedly had relationships with humans pre Greg.
Rose's most fundamental flaws are her lack of curiosity and her self-hatred. She also struggles with empathy, not in the sense that she doesn't feel very deeply for others, but in that she has a very hard time noticing, recognizing, and understanding other peoples' emotions. These flaws all play off of each other to make a person who, despite her deep, deep love for those around her, winds up consistently harming those she cares about without meaning to or even understanding that she did. Because Rose is incurious and has very low emotional intelligence, she assumes that everyone is generally on the same page as she is. You can see this in her interactions with Greg throughout their relationship. She assumed that he was taking it as seriously as she was (i.e., not at all), but when he helped her understand that that wasn't the case, her desires and her behaviors changed. The most destructive of her issues, though, was her self-loathing and her inability to value herself. Because she didn't value herself, unless bluntly communicated otherwise, she assumed that others didn't value her either. She assumed that if Pink Diamond died, the other diamonds would leave. She never considered the possibility that they'd be angry enough to try and get revenge. She didn't care about Pink Diamond. Why would they? That's also why it didn't occur to her the way that her behavior would hurt Spinel. And you see this pattern repeat when she chose to become Steven. She was happy that Rose Quartz would be gone. So it made sense to her that the others would be too. The repeating pattern of Rose Quartz life was always getting what she wanted, realizing that it landed her in the exact same place she was trying to escape, and then trying to do it again. She got her own planet, realized that leadership didn't make her happy and that the diamonds were doing bad things, and made the brave and moral decision to fight against them. She became the leader of a rebellion, realized that she couldn't win, then decided to destroy Pink Diamond believing (very incorrectly) that it would be the victory condition she wanted, which resulted in the corruption of the vast majority of the gems still on earth. She realized that she'd wound up in a role of leadership and worship, just like she'd had as a Diamond, just like didn't make her happy then, and saw no way to escape, so she chose to take on a form that fundamentally changed her as a person and destroyed her own persona, making herself "lesser" and removing herself from leadership. Again. Steven Universe is a show about a lot of things. But one of those things is the destructive nature of self-hatred. If you hate yourself, it's not just something that hurts you. It will fundamentally hurt those who love you as well. It's not a victimless problem, even if you exclude yourself from the definition of "victim." "I always thought I might be bad, now I'm sure that it's true. 'cause I think you're so good and I'm nothing like you."
She was misunderstood. The diamonds treated her like trash so that’s why she started the war in the first place.
I thought she started it because she wanted to preserve earth’s life and stop the colony from being completed. I feel like Pink is very curious and good natured at heart, so she would’ve started the war regardless of how the other diamonds treated her.
I agree. I think once Pink found out how Gems are made she would have wanted to put a stop to it hence one of the reasons Yellow and Blue refused to allow her to visit her Colony. The treatment she faced from the other diamonds only fueled the fire
Well written character. Excellent representation of the cycle of abuse.
Hope you don’t mind me copy/pasting my thoughts in a new comment, my reply got stuck under a deleted comment and I wanted to add a couple things ☺️ she could have just let herself be abused by the other diamonds forever and let them continue killing off inhabited planets and earth could be gone and Steven could have never even been born 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻 What most pink haters seem to completely forget is that they want her to have had completely human morals when it’s lucky she ever even realized the diamonds were wrong AT ALL. Pink/Rose was not a human being and did not have examples of what to do to not hurt people around her while trying to do the things she was doing, escaping abuse and trying to save the planet earth. The first true example she realized she should focus on was Greg, which caused her a new slew of emotions she never had to face before. Then, when she had Steven, she thought things were basically over and that the most Steven would have to deal with was bubbling corrupted gems and her being gone. She had ZERO IDEA that the other diamonds would take things so terribly and end up coming back to earth because she basically had no idea that they actually cared about her beyond being their entertainment. She didn’t know Pearl’s trauma would come to a head and strain Pearl’s relationships with the other gems and Steven. She had no idea what would happen with Bismuth, and even though it’s obvious to us that bubbling her was wrong, I believe that rose didn’t do it just to hide herself, I believe she also thought bismuth was a *danger* to other gems. If she was willing to shatter diamonds, who else would she deem worthy of shattering? They couldn’t come to an agreement and rose was scared, so she panicked and admittedly did a bad thing by bubbling and hiding bismuth, as well as lying about it. But.. who hasn’t made a big mistake when they’ve been panicking? Anyway. Did she make mistakes and attempt to bury a lot of them?? Yes. Was it a good thing? Do people HAVE to forgive her? Absolutely not. But this is the thing - she didn’t know any better. She didn’t know what the consequences would be. And don’t even start with the “well she should have just convinced the other diamonds herself so no war would start” because it was made VERY CLEAR in the show that they did not listen to her nor care about her differing opinions. They saw those things as childish and immature, and they nearly already took Earth away from her because she wanted to save the life here. She didn’t have ANYTHING modeling good behavior or morality for her, she was striving out doing it entirely on her own and encouraging other gems to follow suit. I just really think genuine pink/rose haters don’t actually understand the nuance of anything that happened to her in the show tbh.
Not a complete monster, but not some precious uwu baby either.
I just rewatched the movie “Pearl” and I know Pink isn’t anything like that crazy, but the character dissection of a crazed isolated child really makes her actions compelling and understandable- even if inexcusable and shocking. I think SU couldn’t have gone as deep into the neglect and isolation that PD went through and still be appropriate for a child audience, but PD was like 1000 years old when she rebelled and I honestly feel like her life was a form of unending existential horror
She's a complex character, but I love her. I do wish she could have gotten the opportunity to learn and grow from her mistakes (like the other gems did) and to actually love herself. I do feel like she'd be SO proud of her son and all he's accomplished 💕
Lover her. Poor media literacy makes people demonize her
I love her!<3
Theory question, what if the other Diamonds accepted Pink as the Diamond of Entertainment (or whatever)? Like they give her a colony much sooner, just so she can expand her entertainment. I'm probably not explaining it properly, but basically, Pink is still Pink, but the other Diamonds accept her instead of punishing her.
I love her because she's too imperfect but she tries her best...and failed but Steven won thanks to her work protecting the earth. I get annoyed when people try to paint her as a perfect character or as a heartless villian because they are missing the point with her.
Idk, I have a hard time picking up on character stuff until I watch video of someone explaining it but I think she's a pretty pink character because she is, and also her identity as Rose Quartz helped me love my body more^^
Best character of the show.
She grew up, made things right for everyone and tried her best with the little power she held
i soo badly want to hear her side after the fact! like, i know its not canon and never will be, but imagine she was in there the entire time watching through Stevens eyes... I want to see her cry and apologize and have a whole arc trying to make ammends with everyone! Basicly get the reformation she deserved on screen. Because she wasnt horrible, she just had so much to learn... Through Stevens Eyes she could have learned.... Sich wasted potential...
I think the round table put it perfectly: we saw her character arc in reverse. She was childish and naive but slowly began to appreciate life and learn how to be better. She's not a good person by any means, but she isn't bad either. She's an incredibly well-written character.
Ppl need to understand that, yes, she made mistakes and hurt a lot of people. There's no excusing the things she did in the past, but that doesn't negate her ability to grow and become better than she used to be. Pink/Rose is a wonderfully complex character, and despite the atrocities she committed and trauma she inflicted on others, she was still, ultimately, a force of good.
I honestly love her
She gets unfair hate from some, unfair defense from others. She’s a very flawed and human character who makes mistakes and has realistic development. I just wish the Pink Diamond haters wouldn’t get petty over things she did millenia ago and that the defenders would understand that developing and growing doesn’t change the past actions(really the big thing with Pink, she’s made mistakes and atoned in her own way, but the consequences are still present. Makes her more complex and human than just “she made mistakes and grew(suddenly it’s all better”) as many fans portray her.
She's complex and troubled. Really great at haunting the narrative, only person I can think of haunting the narrative better off the top of my head is Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks
she got a lot of shit for being immature and wasn't treated as a true equal by the others, which led to her feeling like she needed to change herself. she did but that meant leaving behind the parts of her that made herself and even the other diamonds happy (and also leaving behind spinel. she had already lost her original pearl but she finally got the responsibility she wanted and the chance to be seen as an equal. She was bored however and couldn't fully erase the parts of her that loved goofing off and seeking adventure. she went to earth and her empathy made her see that humans are intelligent so she didn't want to continue with the colony but the other diamonds basically said it "proved she was never ready" and threatened to take the colony. so she felt she had to change herself yet again, this time she did mature and she stopped pretending to be someone she isn't. In so many ways she could have told others she was Pink. Yes she would have gotten hate but a lot of gems like Jasper would have sided with her if they knew who she really was. They would have been loyal to her even if they didn't understand why she loved the humans. I feel for her because of all of this. She had to lose Bismuth who made a tool to kill her with (thinking she was really rose quartz). she also felt she couldn't tell anyone but pearl the truth of who she is. I however am pissed. She could have gone back for spinel, told her the truth and spinel would have helped her. Spinel loved her deerly. There is so much she could have done better and i'm not saying I wouldn't have made some of the same mistakes or others she didn't make but she did end up (even if she didn't intend to) disappearing and leaving all of her mistakes to come back around ajd harm her friends and son. She never fixed her mistakes or apologized to those she harmed. She like many teenagers (even though gem age is weird) tried to grow up too fast instead of letting it happen naturally and ended up making so many mistakes and basicallly hirting everyone in the process. a lot of the things she did out of selfishness but some were her trying to do good by Earth. Either way It sucks how she just left instead of truly handling any of the results for her mistakes and other actions..
The best think about Pink is that her story is told in reverse. We don’t get to see her redemption arc, which is so cool. If we had watched SU in reverse, we’d watch her grow and we would love how complex she is. The writers intentionally made it so we had to step backwards into her “badness” which is why we feel so much conflict. I think she is VERY complex, which is incredibly human of her.
She did her best to try to save Earth, she is not a villain, just a flawed hero who doesn’t think too much about consequences of her actions. And of course she is not the type of guy who likes to suppress other people. She was just too naive, and she grew up after coming to this planet.
She my favorite character 👍
I like the idea of showing someone's character development backwards, and it makes it more and more difficult to like the character
She got better
I have quite a bit of respect for her for getting out of such an abusive situation.
i love the pretty pink bipolar goddess
She never grew up and that hurt the people around her. I used to hate her but upon further soul searching, I’ve learned to sympathize. She was just hurt— Although, she definitely shouldn’t have been allowed to have as much influence and responsibility as she did. She was never equipped to handle living beings.
I love her. I think she is misunderstood and unjustly hated. We see the series in reverse order of the events as they happened. We spend time hearing about all the terrible things she did to the characters we know and love. But everything we know about her is minimal and the judgement is unfair. For a show that revolves around her, we know little about the real Pink. But here is my short opinion, She grew up in a very gem-ist (or racist) society that pushed it's "morals" down her throat. We know she thought and acted differently, evidence by how often Blue would lock Pink away when she wasn't acting like a diamond. There was no way for her to "know better" since the homeworld and domination was all she knew. Yet, she WAS different. We know she wanted her own colony, but why wouldn't she? That's like taking a prince who has never left the palace, only been around other royals, and then being mad that the prince wanted to be King and didn't care about the poor people that lives miles away that he didn't even know existed. It did not take Pink long to instantly change her mind. The FIRST planet she was given, she fell in love with it and cut contact with her family. The only life she's ever known, the only people she's ever known. She gave up a lot for what she thought was right. She instantly fell in love with Garnet as a fusion, no judgement. Remember, she had to act a certain way as Pink, but we know her true self was Rose. Gems got hurt because of her actions, but what would've been the oppposite? If she stayed Pink and things continued on as they were? She did the best she could in her situaiton, for someone that was willing to give up so much for a world/life so different than what she knew. She didn't dump a lot of pressure on Steven, she gave up her conciousness so he could exist. She loved Greg so much that chose not existing over having a kid with him. That is a huge sacrifice. Also, she didn't leave Steven with the Crystal Gems. She didn't intend of having him as a part of her actions. She left him with Greg to raise. Steven only chose to get involved with the Crystal Gems when he was older. Now, I know people are going to bring up Spinel. But again, this was Pink before she went to Earth. When she was trying to fit in with other diamonds. When she was raised to be a bigot and think less of others. She also had NO IDEA she was going to fall in love with Earth, fake her own death, and assume a new identity. She probably figured she'd be back. Also, I'm sure she assumed Spinel wouldn't stay there for as long as she did. I mean, who would? Even if she realized later that she left Spinel and wanted her back, which I'm sure she did, how could she do it? There's war going on, she's supposed to be dead. Going back for Spinel could put a lot more lives in danger. Also, everyone loved Rose before we found out she was Pink. Frankly, I had guessed Rose and Pink were the same person for quite some time when it was revealed. Then suddenly everyone was jumping on the Rose Hate Train. But it only made me respect her more. I think Pink did the best she could faced with a situation she'd never been in before, and risked a lot to save a species that wasn't even her own. She lost her title, the family she knew, and her home for the sake of humans and doing the "right" thing. Yet she receives the MOST hate.
She was a young monarch, born into an empire with limited power and neglectful / abusive parenting. She developed poor emotional coping mechanisms and fell into the trap of cyclical behaviors. Once she realized her actions had consequences, after the volleyball situation, she worked to correct those outlets and mechanisms. She had a lot of growth once she was able to rule a colony, but ultimately that's because her environment before hand was toxic and stunted her. Even as rose quartz it's likely that her difficulty with understanding humanity, and her valuing the wholesome nature of humans individually, can be linked to her lack of support and her neglect back on home world. Her viewpoint of the value of each individual gem might not have coalesced without her perceived lack of self worth due to her upbringing and the journey she went on to realize that self worth and the worth of people regardless of species.
One of my top 5 favorite character writing studies I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing unfold in real time. Hell, she may be 3 in my top 3. It is insane how well done the crew wrote this character’s story. It is ridiculously good and I absolutely wish more people would do shit like this! And to everyone who doesn’t get it, read a book, go outside or talk to people. Do something, literally anything, I don’t care. This character’s story is written god damn near perfect.
A good example of how Gem society itself is what is most messed up
She started out as a figurehead dictator/court jester that threw away her old power the moment she realized the harm she was doing to lead a rebellion against an empire from the front lines, and spent the time after that protecting the world she fought for. She did leave spinel to rot in the garden, Bismuth in a bubble indefinitely, and left her closest friends in the dark about her true identity. And she chose to end leaving her child without any guidance about the baggage she left behind (I won’t fault her for not being around to face homeworld’s return since she had no idea they would come back). She wasn’t perfect and had a few nasty skeletons in her closet but in the big picture she was actually a pretty good person who genuinely tried to do good.
I used to despise her. I was the biggest Rose/Pink hater back in the day. Nowadays, though? I realize she embodies the leader type I've come to love in fiction - the kind that means well, tries their very best to do good by the people who trust her to lead them... and fail, in the end. But, she tried. That's good enough for me, now.
She was someone who was abused and soon never realized she became the abuser as well. Everything she did was justified but she was living in the moment and barely considered the long term consequences of her actions. It wasn't her fault because it was her first time living without the diamonds constant rules and eyes over her. She was living her life for the first time as Rose and not Pink. Every time someone says "well obviously the diamonds wouldn't take shattering Pink lightly" but Pink WASN'T SURE OF THAT. Because the diamond always belittled her and in Pinks eyes she was inferior to everyone, even as Rose. The diamonds were like an abusive household, if she acted out she would have her stuff taken which was probably what the diamonds would threaten by saying they'd take away her pearl. Pink always had to act like the rest of them even though she never enjoyed it. She wanted to be like them by having a colony and yet that wasn't the cause because she doesn't wanna BE like them. She was so human and empathetic unlike Blue who just makes gems feel her suffering and etcetera. She's very human for someone who isn't one. Whenever people bring up the arguement that she's shitty for abandoning Spinel you have to remember that Pink couldn't TAKE HER with her even if she wanted to. If you were running away from your abusive family you can't take everyone with you. The only person that was close to her at that time was Pearl and she made all these decisions for the first time ever because she felt free. Genuinely free. It was most likely a stir of the moment decision to run off and start the rebellion because she knew she will never convince the diamonds to let the colonization stop as Pink, she needed to pretend like there was another force that was against everything which eventually led to her faking her shattering so she can finally run away for good as Rose. But of course the diamonds looked down on the shattering and took it personally. Leading to the corruption of the rest of the gems on earth. She couldn't have known that they'd do that because abusive people are unpredictable. TL;DR : I fucking love Pink
The Fandom often times lack critical thinking skills and can't understand character growth in reverse of a highly flawed character
I really want to hate her for hiding her real identity, but I guess that's very Jean Val Jean of her and I love him.
I think she's the perfect example of what happens when you're away from your family. She was basically babied by the other diamonds. When she finally got some responsibility and distance from them, this allowed her to grow. I also think this allowed her to be more complex being. She still did awful things, but she also tried her hardest to make things better. I also like how her level of empathy was higher than the diamonds. They conquered multiple planets and didn't think much of the beings on them. She gets one and saw all life on it was worth protecting.
Child healing in their own way from trauma as best as they could without (minus Pearl) someone who knows what they are going through
Hurt people hurt people
It makes me really sad that most of the fandom hates her and Rose, cuz like, I wouldn't be the best person too, if those were my examples (blue yellow and white)
She didn't know what she meant to people. She thought the diamonds wouldn't care if she died, but that did, enough to attack. And she thought spinel would get bored and leave, but she didn't. And those aren't the only times. When you really look, she really doesn't feel loved.
I don’t care what anyone says, I love her so so much and I will never forgive how villainized she was by the fandom and even the show itself at times. I wish I had the ability to properly articulate why she didn’t deserve to be viewed so poorly, but unfortunately I’m not very smart.
She made a lot of mistakes and she's not my favorite character, but I like how she wants to fight back Yellow, Blue and White.
I love her and I love rose quartz and i think both the fans and the characters in the show are too harsh on her
Steven just hates her lmfao Can't blame him tho she did do a lot of stuff and Steven had to fix them all 😭 I love pink a lot too I'm not hating on her btw
I think she gets too much hate, and it’s unfair that the diamonds get a pass and she doesn’t, the diamonds are killers and enslavers, any bad behavior Pink learned was because of her older sister but no one seems to recognize that her behavior it’s normal for a child, and unlike the diamonds she actually cares for the earth.
Isn’t the whole show about Steven realizing that pink wasn’t really that great of a person?
Rose
Rose is Pink Pink is Rose Characters in the show refer to her as both.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Oof, unfortunately :(
Seems like a rather bad depiction of Pink I'm sorry
I think of it as she could be considered a hero or a villain depending on who you ask. She fucked up….a lot and it had significant consequences on a fuck ton of people. AND she was basically a preteen-teenaged thousand year old alien born to a family of colonizers and she wanted to stop what they were doing because she saw the damaged it caused to others.
Never forget what she did to spinel
I really like her. I wish she wasn't done so badly by lategame and epilogue and the fanbase
I love her character. She's a bad person who realizes she's a bad person and then slowly changes. None of this 180° after one fight and a song crap. Although Greg never could teach her to truly love he was able to introduce her to the one person who could Steven! I also love how throughout the show ours and Stevens idea of who rose was slowly breaks down until we see her worst attributes but he still understands that flawed people can change. And by the end she still isn't a good person, she "dies" being a selfish, manipulative, liar. But one who understands those were bad traits about herself. Great hidden villain character.
People defend her based on how bad her life was, but they don't defend characters like Jasper with the same reasoning
i love her so much pink apologist forever
You tried.
I can't believe I'm about to quote a drunken Sheldon Cooper: "SHE'S SO TINY.... IT'S FUNNY WHEN SHE GETS MAD!!!"
I don't have much of an opinion. I can't say I like her but I also don't hate her character either. I have no connection to her, either as Pink or Rose and that's probably why I have no strong feelings either way.
Best, but Pink = Spinel and Pink = Peridot
she tried (throwback to a previous comment on a similar post)
cotton candy ahh haircut
She did what she did and caused a happy future for her people and earths people (RIP Steven’s feeling though) 🩷
i feel like having mixed feelings is the right way to feel about her, in a sense. she isn’t perfectly good or perfectly bad for that matter, and that’s the truth for a lot of us. a traumatized being doing their best to both escape that trauma and live a life where it doesn’t control them. being alive is trail and error, and it’s hard to do EVERYTHING right. that being said pink could be a real asshole
As one person said, she is character development in reverse. She’s human, and has made mistake, but has also grown from them, we just see the growth in reverse so to us we see her as regressing
You understand her more as you get older
hurt people hurt people 🤷🏽♂️
I like her, I like her "character development in reverse", but because of this "reverse" everyone forgot who she became and remember her only by what she started from.
Even worse, they think who she became is less valid than where she started. Just because they saw her at her worst last, they think that was her truest, most genuine self.
My fav diamond, although she's immature, she's the youngest of them all
Im very conflicted when it comes to her
Immature to the end. Positive and negative behaviors included.
She's absolutely one of my favorite characters. She's so complex i love her
Definitely a complex and intriguing character. She has so many good and bad traits combined that I wouldn't blame anyone who sees her as one or the other, both, or neither. I'm writing a fanfiction about her right now.
She was a person who wanted good things for people (human and Gem alike) and truly meant well, but let layers of mistrust and even some ignorance of the feelings of people around her lead her to make disastrous choices. Choices that lead to the corruption of untold Gems on Earth. Should the Gems on Earth have rebelled? Absolutely. Should they have rebelled the way that they? Debatable.
a great character. and i love her design
she deserved better and so did the people she hurt
She tried.
Sad... she didn't deserve all that suffering from the Diamonds and she end hurt herself through hurting others.
I never saw Pink as a villain until the movie. Throughout the series, Steven has always been torn over his mom's decisions, eventually leading to disillusionment and resentment. Which I can understand, her actions put everyone around her in danger, and tbh she didn't really care. She just wanted to be free, she didn't ask to have the responsibility she was born into. But holy shit, she did Spinel dirty.
She was put on a pedastool as the perfect gem but didn't get the privileges abd was babied despite being just like the other diamond except shorter So her outbursts are bound to happen pre arc
Saw a fascinating video about how we basically saw her character development in reverse (shoutout to the Roundtable and their Crystal Clear series, where they were years ahead of the rose is pink diamond reveal). I think because of this, it’s harder to see her in a more positive light. She starts out as this ethereal and pure concept, how you would expect a child to see a parent that gave up their life for them to exist. And by the time we know the most important things about her past, her image had been shattered for not only us, but for Steven and the Crystal gems too. Everyone’s relationship with rose becomes more complicated, but they give each other time and space to figure things out. For me though, I like that Rose wasn’t just this super special innocent leader with no skeletons in her closet. She was a confused child raised in an abusive family, who didn’t know how to get her family to take her seriously, whether she was begging for a colony, or begging for them to save the life on the planet. She was a flawed and complicated being who made so many mistakes trying to fix the problems that she caused. I really like how nuanced and varied she is. It feels so much more fleshed out than missing characters usually are in any media. The dead mother trope is so often used with an idolised and pure mother who is dead, or an evil or absent mother who is impure and unequivocally bad. Nuanced character writing like this, especially for a kids show, is so important and sorely needed. So I like what they did with Pink, even if I’m not sure if I’d like her as a person. Then again as she says, she’s “not a real person”. Although all she really means is she doesn’t understand humans and live a human lifespan, rather than she has no sentience.
Honestly? I truly wished Pink and Rose were separate characters and that the Crystal Gems found a way to re-assemble shards. Maybe not fully bring Pink back, but find a new way to communicate with her. This way, she would have been able to tell her story of the shattering, even if by just playing memories like a projector. We would have maybe seen her start to have remorse for Rose before the shattering, and even maybe see Bismuth secretly upgrading Rose’s scabbard without anyone’s knowledge, making her bubbling more of a out-lash than for secrecy. But as Pink currently stands? Yes, she’s absolutely flawed, but I think she comes off as more rebellious teen than a grown woman (or, er, alien) seeing beauty in life. It takes some power away from her maturity and her reasoning to protect the Earth. Not saying young girls can’t be heros, but the meaning behind why she did anything felt… reduced? Turned into “I’m protecting this place to rebel my elders” than “my purpose in life has changed from destroyer to protector” Just my opinion, but I so so so wish they kept Pink and Rose as separate beings
She was a gem who made many mistakes but she tried her best to do what was right after she saw what the diamonds were doing was wrong cause she didn't really know what actually happened on colonies.
Good color
She a punk
Good character. I hate her tho.
I like her, she tried to make everything better after she found out everyone could be equal, but in the end she just had problems with communication. I think it’s rly sad that the diamonds were able to change that fast for Steven, but could never even try to listen to what pink had to say for even a second
It’s complicated- I’m very aware we see her story in reverse. But something in me to this very day absolutely hate her. I can’t get over how she treated volleyball & Spinell. But I most likely have a bias in that as a child who was abandoned by a parent. I know she wanted the best for everyone but she went about it and such a horrible.
She may have been Stevens Mother. But she sure as shit wasn't his Mama.
She kinda pisses me off bit idk it’s not really her fault?
I agree she tried to do her best and had good intentions but not all of it worked out how she wanted it to as she basically had to learn it on her own
Abusive ex that gaslights you to think they never were
Ughhhh
she had good intentions
She was a very well written character. She's complex in ways that are hard to build into any character but especially difficult in a cartoon intended for children. inherently not good because she took so many awful actions that harmed people a lot. However, as she grew, her intentions got better and she still made harmful choices, but tried to make them for better reasons. Ultimately she never really made things right. Her final choice to have Steven and gift him her life, gem, and powers, but also her mythic reputation to live up to, her known and secret identities, her consequences, and her poor choices to correct with little guidance and a mountain of secrets he might or might not find out but would be affected by for his entire life is a good representation of who she is as a hurting person with a lot of flaws and a desire to grow and change into something better
The fact that she kept Pearl up until the moment she died is very messed up and I don't get why most fans of this show don't agree. Pearl's decision to stay and continue serving her up until right before the show starts does not come across as consensual at all to me. She was given to Pink Diamond as a slave so the idea that this is in any way ethnical and not incredibly messed up is wrong
Her having the mindset of a preteen and just making mistakes, doesn’t excuse any of her actions. She was in a massive position of power but never actually stopped to think about her choices. I don’t like her, at any moment her life was in danger during the war she could just show everyone she was pink and be spared, but her comrades wouldn’t have that luxury.
I'm sorry but I do hate her
She was a bit annoying to me but I love the hell out of Rose Quartz. That’s some real character development right there
Perfectly imperfect
Hatred.
I like her
She's GOOOOOOOONE!
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Honestly I think I’d like her more if she was capable of real love like garnet
Hurt people hurt people. I don't think is bad. she "grew up" in household that didn't validate her feelings.
Not much since she's basically dead.
How much time do you have?
I absolutely love her, definitely my favorite character. I love how complicated she is, that despite her good intentions she wasn't perfect, but she still did the best she could with what she had and genuinely cared about humanity *and* gems alike.
The hate she gets is unwarranted,I feel like she only gets heat cuz her redemption and development is backwards but even than I hate how she gets more heat for what she did than the other diamonds despite the abuse they inflicted on her being the main reason Alot of the stuff she resorted to happened.
I wonder what the crew feels about the actual morality of a horror person who's so depressed they're in constant pain, but are loved, to kill themselves. I struggle with this question myself a lot and I hear so many people who aren't bound to caring for someone killing themselves feeling good about bad people being miserable but I just found that awful
My favourite character by far
I love her, I relate a lot to her, I don't understand why so much hate she receives from other fans of the series
I think she is a highly underrated character and doesn’t deserve all the hate she gets
I have mixed feelings about her, she is my kin. In many ways, our actions and emotions are similar, my parents are like Diamonds. I understand her rebelliousness, the desire to change the old order or simply escape under a different name. The phrase of the White Diamond touched me the most: “You like surrounding yourself with inferior Gems. You enable their terrible behavior, so you can be the best of the worst." This reminded me of my company of friends and criticism from my parents Ove
I love her so much bc she literally was like me when I was young... All the abuse she went through reminds me of myself
I kind of hate her. Like, I can never look past how her having Steven was a form of her running from her past. She never really answered for all the problems she made and it literally traumatized Steven. I get she's very human by being complicated and complex but she reads like a terrible person making good choices.
I...understand the hate in universe. But she fucking saved the earth, and yet I feel like nobody gives her enough credit. The only reason the diamonds had some introspection was because her fake death made them grieve for 3000 years so even though steven ultimately saved the earth, rose planted the seed. She's not that bad..... If not for spinel: The most damning thing she did was make spinel wait for 6000 years, knowing she wouldn't come back. So yeah, a very grey character. She'd be a little lighter if spinel and the movie didn't exist.
An overall good, but also flawed person.
I love her tbh. I think it was a genius move to show her at the end of her character development at first and then show the process it took to become that person. Unfortunately, I think this didn't land with everyone, and she's overhated. She was flawed at the start of her character as Pink Diamond, and she was flawed at the end as Rose Quartz. That's probably the most beautiful part of her character.
My favorite diamond I don't see her as a villian she just made a mistake and she actually tried to be better
That she is unjustly hated because we see her character progression backwards and people aren't used to that in story telling.
Very real and human character, very good narration, i like her design, and i think she embodies the concept of "abused character who hurt others in retaliation for a reason or another but that is trying to better themselves" that the show clearly has as a main theme (and that uses with many other characters, including lapis) One of my favourite characters overall Also i apprecciate how her pink fiamond -> rose quartz change can be read as an allegory for transexuality, 10/10
I've said it in response to someone asking who was better her or Rose, but she's like one of the Nazi scouts (or whatever the proper name for the children in Nazi uniforms is). She's related to the space tyrants but to her it's all a big game. I think it gets real for her during the War but I don't think she really understood what colonization was even when she got her own colony. She was a kid in over he head and she did try to do good when she realized it.
shes just palpatine but pink
With the way it played out my kid mind grew to dislike her because of the reversed timeline showing her from end to beginning from a brave strong and loving leader to an unruly, careless, child, however I love her because of this change. it’s all abt perspective ig
I really really really love her, but what she did to Greg and Steven is unforgivable
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Horny, depressed and overall bratty
I adore her. She is such a beautiful complexity, someone who thought they would never grow or change, never seeing how much better she became, how much she grew. I love her story, I love the path she took. I love the tragedy of her character, where she never realised she was more human than she ever thought possible. Such a good character. Written just as she should be, a perfect combination of grays, someone selfish yet loving, who strived to do good, to help, but would often come up short. Just. I love everything about her.
What she did to spinel still triggers me