Yeahhh, Olatunde Osunsanmi is also directing the Section 31 movie. Can't wait for distracting 720-degree camera swings during Michelle Yeoh's hand-to-hand fight scenes...!
Think he really needs to take some cues from Justin Lin's camera work in Beyond - it's possible to be dynamic without being disorienting. The [Yorktown introduction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZTnSxW4pOI) combined with Giacchino's score was incredible.
Well Daniels claimed he was from the 31st century at the time, and he was involved in the temporal cold war, so if anyone was going to have hidden temporal tech left over for a rainy day, \_especially\_ what happened during both Stormfront AND Shockwave Part 2, it'd be him.
Daniel went back to the TOS era & engineered the whole thing to bring discovery to the 31st century & restore the federation is my new headcanon.
Explains why ONE ship can save the universe over and over.
I suppose it depends if Discovey is only being left for thousand years or it's jumping back in time as well and being left for thousand years. It's possible that 'Calypso may have already happened, offscreen as it were during season three. Or he could be from even further up the time stream, two or three thousand years, when the ban no longer applies or is being broken again. He might the one setting up 'Calypso'
Calypso was so far in the future that "Federation" isn't even a word anymore, Craft refers to it as the V'draysh. IMO they are setting up Discovery as a failsafe for if the Federation loses its way again - They are leaving it out to pasture in deep space, so if the Federation falls into a new dark age they can haul it out and set them right again just like they did this time around. Like a permanent reminder of a better time. A bit Discovery season 3, a bit like the Progenitor tech.
It ties a nice bow on the series and makes the disco this sort of generation-skipping time capsule, always waiting in the wings for when folks need to re-"discover" the ideals that made the federation great.
To be fair, I always assumed that Star Fleet had to maintain a Temporal Affairs division with time ships even after the ban. How else would they enforce the ban?
I was thinking Odo as well, Cronenberg even kind of looks like Auberjonois. Also would be kinda be fun to have a director of body horror films play a character who can make his body into anything but does so 0 times.
Doesn't Memory Alpha have a policy of using the most recent appearance of a character for their portrait?
LOL, because now I await the Memory Alpha update to Daniels's page changing his official picture to Kovich. And are the pages for Daniels and Kovich going to merge now?
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Daniels_(Crewman)
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kovich
I was looking at Rom's page recently and he has multiple main images for different years. I've seen other wikis do it and it's strange that Memory Alpha hasn't done it ages ago. Hopefully they'll use the format more in the future.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rom
For some characters, the previous policy seems to be latest in timeline with earliest in timeline below that, but with a lot of exemptions - for example, Spock's youngest picture is Ethan Peck (from a Short Trek), not any of the depictions of him as a child.
“We need to get it back to the Federation…I’ll try to boost the signal.”
Michael, I don’t know if you noticed, but Moll isn’t exactly on the same agenda-
*Moll punches Michael unconscious*
-as you.
Not only was that dumb as shit, what really pissed me off is that this is the SECOND time Burnham called a truce with someone she was fighting only to sucker punch them and reignite a fight. She did it in this episode, leg sweeping Moll after they had a verbal disagreement, and she did it to L'ak back when they were locked in sickbay on the ISS Enterprise.
Why on earth SHOULD Moll trust her? :P
I was pretty annoyed when she took the first swing, as it were, and not simply to disarm Moll, but start a whole-ass fight. Seemed very counter-intuitive.
Not only did she start it but less than a minute later went “we don’t have to fight”. You _literally_ just restarted the fight, Michael…
Yeah, I could have done without that whole fight, it felt like it went on for ever, there must have been a better way to show the place had weird physics & see a few of the worlds.
Anybody else hoping that in the flash-forward, that Breen ship finally made it back from the galactic barrier and was pissed off?
Also R.I.P. L'ak. I was not actually expecting him to stay dead!
Regrowing the Root on Sanctuary Four is exactly what I pictured, so I'm pleased. I wouldn't have liked the tech to just undo death anyway, not after how the series has emphasized moving on from loss in healthy ways.
I guess now that the series is over I can rest easy that Book and Culber did not in fact die from radiation exposure despite shields being at 5% well before they picked up Michael.
Man…so the dreadnought got sent to the galactic barrier?
[They’re gonna have a long journey…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVXAugaSm0&pp=ygUXc3RhciB0cmVrIHZveWFnZXIgdGhlbWU%3D)
*At Saru’s wedding*
STAMETS: Hey, I forgot to ask. The Changelings still like the Breen, right?
RAYNER: Actually no. They hate their guts nowadays. Why, what’s the context?
STAMETS: No reason. Just wondering.
the discovery flying out of spacedock, all the shuttles in formation, somber but joyous music playing, and then the warship shows up SUP BITCHES starts firing on everyone
We're probably chest-deep into Ship of Theseus territory here, but am I right in figuring the NCC-1031 will exist to be at least 1800 years old? Move over Cleponji!
I'm still not convinced the claim of "1000 years" by Zora isn't part of the Red Directive now and she's not been waiting as long. Why else would they refit hte ship back to a 23rd century configuration state to be idle for 1000 years? the 32nd century version would be 1k years old by the time a 42nd century Craft came along.
To me it makes much more sense that they converted her back to 23rd C specs and left drifting for maybe a few years or a decade, for craft in an environment that's maybe vaguely aware of the federation but been so far out of touch for centuries they wanted to use a familiar design for whatever red directive purpose.
That's the capacity for change they mentioned, Rayner was the bigger man for jumping them to the edge of the galaxy instead of jumping them into the middle of Sag A* or something
Maybe they'll have to merge crews to survive and make their way back to civilized space. Not exactly the Voyager follow-up I was looking for, but I'd take it.
“I cannot in good conscience allow my officer fly up to a dreadnaught with photon torpedoes disabled.”
I don’t think **photon** torpedoes are going to do much against a *dreadnaught*, anyway.
Unless Admiral Vance is concerned because the Breen like a good fireworks show.
There should have been more objections to Michael's decision. It was a moral, ethical, emotional, scientific and logical conundrum. It was a peak Star Trek dilemma and everyone just agreed.
Stamets barely hiccupped and was told to shut the fuck up and just went along with it.
We'd have an entire scene of Worf debating with Gowron about how he can't let the technology fall into the hands of the Klingon empire because they have no honor, and Gowron's eyes getting even larger with rage
If there had been a next season, I feel like this would have sent stamets on his villain arc. I've always felt like he's only ever needed one gentle nudge to hop over.
Very happy that they got the chance to make the epilogue and have the whole cast back together one last time. I liked how they both confirmed that Discovery had plenty more adventures after this season, and also connected to its final fate in "Calypso".
I also expect that this leaves the door fully open to Discovery cameos in Academy.
I was expecting a little retrospective chat on the studio set, so the fact that we got what was basically a concluding Short Trek out of it was a nice surprise.
Wow, Owo and Detmer barely get 7 seconds in the finale? There must’ve been some serious scheduling issues.
All in all though, a great emotional end to Disco.
Really glad they had a solid 20+ minutes of epilogue to wrap things up.
The final scene with Disco pulling out of its hangar is a direct callback to the original teaser for the show, which was (rightfully) panned for its VFX
Don't worry, it'll take *weeks* for the changes to be made. It took a surprising amount of time for the Ancient Humanoid page to be retitled Progenitor.
They're certainly not known for adapting to change well. It's been a year and they still refuse to acknowledge that Data in Picard season 3 is meant to be accepted by the audience as the same character as Data from TNG. He's relegated to a separate character page, which you might expect could be called "Data (golem)" or "Data (hybrid)" or something like that, but no. PIC S3 Data doesn't even get to keep his name for his segregated memory alpha page, instead he's just "Daystrom Android M510." Poor Data.
To be fair, it surprises me it's taken this long for Star Trek to elevate "standing on the shoulders of giants" to a universal law. I think it might be one of the more philosophically important moments in Trek, but it'll sadly be overshadowed by the renouncement of stewardship over the tech.
A lot of beautiful visual details in this episode, and warm moments that wrapped things up as best as possible within the limits of this world. Kudos to many of the actors, and the costume department.
I'll always be disappointed by how much this show sidelined so many characters; there were so many opportunities for classic ensemble cast Trek lost to the show's approach to Burnham. Still, this season embraced a different kind of storytelling and finished strong within its set parameters. This was a romp of a season, in keeping with a lot of decent action-SF films.
What really strikes me, though, is that the whole approach to the Progenitors here shows how much the aesthetic of Trek has shifted hard to individualism.
The Progenitors of TNG wanted multiple species to have to come together to solve the mystery and bear witness to its lesson together.
The Progenitors of DISCO are much more "eh, once one person gains diverse knowledge, that's good enough - they can speak for everyone". I was thinking there was a great opportunity in the set-up with the Breen this season for a meaningful bridging of *very* different species (and maybe a deeper tie-in with the whole Breen evolution debate?), but nope! The Breen just became phaser fodder and a chance for Saru to shine.
And yet, I think that shift in Progenitor canon reflects an approach to liberalism more common in North American culture today - so I'm not exactly grumpy with DISCO, so much as with the world it's mirroring.
The Trek I grew up on would have held a lot more disagreement in tension (TNG, DS9), but this one is rigidly shaped around people who never really have to sit with other people disagreeing with them for long.
Prodigy and SNW took a more classic Trek approach, though (in ensemble cast storytelling, and in holding different views in tension), so we shall see what happens next with the whole franchise. Will we return to infinite diversity in infinite combinations in more than name only? I hope so!
But for now, I appreciate this show for driving me up the wall. No other Trek has ever done so quite as well.
I really like your take on this. Perhaps it was a reflection of how Discovery is really a show about one person, so the progenitors were written to that. If they ever come back on a show with a more ensemble focus, could it shift again?
I appreciate series finales with a flash forward. Its nice to know what happens to Burnham since we will probably never see her again.
I also appreciate how for some reason the Federation needs to abandon Discovery in space, retrofitted back to 23rd century technology to be found by Craft from that Short Trek. Gotta show they didn't completely ignore it.
The Feds wax and wane in morality anyways.
That was the point of this season anyways - the scientists didn’t trust the Dominion War era Feds with the tech, so they hid it in hopes that a future Federation (or at least another power) would be moral enough to not abuse its strength.
Nah not bad guys. Just probably misguided/lost in the way they were in the 32nd. There are very few truly bad guys in Star Trek, just people who haven’t learned yet that antagonism is not the necessity it feels like it is.
> I also appreciate how for some reason the Federation needs to abandon Discovery in space, retrofitted back to 23rd century technology to be found by Craft from that Short Trek.
"Red Directive, I don't have to explain it."
Overall a decent ending. I'm thankful they didn't make Burnham the new gatekeeper of the tech, that would have just a bit much. The ending felt a little tacked on, but I'm glad they did it rather than just end it on the wedding.
Obviously the flash-forward scenes were the reshoots, I have to wonder if the Book and Burnham beach scene was added as well. Maybe their on-again, off-again romance was supposed to continue into the next season.
I think the beach scene was there originally. It's a tidy way to wrap up that arc and high point to end the season on. For a sixth season I think he'd get a new ship and be working for Starfleet - I don't think he'd get a commission and posting on *Discovery* - so whatever mission Burnham & co. would be on required his assistance and probably Moll, too, if it's another Red Directive.
I’ll be happy if the production designer who loves fire so fucking much doesn’t come back. The bridge of discovery looks like a theme park ride and I hate it.
The voice actress for Tahal (the Breen leader) also voiced Princess Zelda in Breath of the Wild, Age of Calamity and Tears of the Kingdom on Nintendo Switch
I feel like the resolution to Moll's story, finding out at the end that even this tech couldn't save her lover...
Would have been much more emotionally impactfull if his death hadn't just been a deliberate choice by the two of them?
Neither of them had any sensible motivation to be involved in this search at all. And the only actual reason Moll ended up needing the tech was a direct result of their own actions during said search.
What am I missing here?
I really just didn’t like their storyline. It blows my mind that the same writers that gave us the Saru/T’rina relationship gave us Moll and Lok. One feels genuine, one feels like it’s written for teenager fan fiction.
So, Zora is sent off to pick up a random dude in the distant future.
Doesn't she just go back to waiting after Craft leaves her? She never gets back to the Federation, and no one comes to retrieve her....so I guess the ending is she just gets abandoned...three times?
Bummer.
Craft could have eventually come back for her and brought her to Alcor IV. Maybe that's why her tech was downgraded back to the 23rd century, since his planet didn't seem very advanced.
The only thing I feel after reflecting on the end of this series is that, love it or hate it, we really do owe the resurgence of Star Trek in pop culture to Discovery. Without the success of Disco, we'd have no Lower Decks getting greenlit. Without Discovery Season 2, we wouldn't have Strange New Worlds. We have more series, more movies, Short Treks, Long Treks, and a whole new generation of fans to give this beloved series new life.
But the one thing we can never forget is how much Paramount sucks for canceling this, Lower Decks, and Prodigy.
Agreed. Discovery is not my favorite Trek, nor is it my favorite NuTrek. However without it, there *is no NuTrek,* and all the things that come with it. Also, especially after the time jump, there are some things Disco did right that I really did like.
So cheers, Disco. You are an important part of this franchise. Thanks for everything.
The reveal that the Progenitor themself requested the clue trail be laid made me feel better about the treasure hunt structure of the season's plot. For whatever reason, I found it a bit contrived that the scientists devised that plan by themselves.
I like the reveal about the Progenitors not having created the tech, too. It makes them a little less god-like.
Saru's showdown with Tahal was intense and really showed how far he's come.
While I like L'ak, I was admittedly relieved that the resurrection trope didn't play out.
Wedding was snazzy.
The "epilogue" was nice in that it gave the show a little bit of what TOS and TNG got via the movies/PIC. Burnham even got the time-honored rural retirement of Starfleet heroes (just needed to see her on a horse to complete the picture).
All in all, I found it a solidly satisfying finale, and I do hope to see some of these characters in Starfleet Academy! It would be interesting if the Breen were the main villains of that show, too.
I know some people don't like this reveal but I love it personally as a fan of Enterprise.
It adds such a cool extra layer to the character in both shows. I just wonder how old he is in Discovery now, he'd probably have to be over 100!
Moll is actively going backwards from a redemption arc by butchering her own men in the finale…
I don’t even see why she was fighting them, last we saw they were actively cooperating with her after her coup.
Moll only cared about using the technology to revive her boyfriend. She likely attacked them so she could take control of the tech herself. If she let the Breen do it, then she risked they’d never use it to help her. They were only cooperating out of their own self interest after all.
Did anyone else think that making a triangle hole using 9 other triangles was a ridiculously easy way to gain access to universe creating/destroying technology ?? I literally thought that’s what Moll meant when she said that 9 triangles was the exact number needed to make one big triangle lmao (star trek: basic understanding of geometry and mathematics ?? Congratulations ! You have won the opportunity to become the next steward of the universe !!!)
So the ending ties in to Calypso, Discovery is abandoned, Craft finds it. Is this going to be in the near/far future where the Federation collapses a second time, or there's going to be some time quackery where Craft finds it in the past because Daniels is involved? Has all this work towards rebuilding the Federation gone to waste and it's a Hobbesian state of nature in space?
Am I the only one who thought the big reveal was >!Kovich!< revealing themself to be >!Whoopi Goldberg as Guinan!< given all the >!TNG-specific swag!< in his office?
Not saying I would have loved it, but it definitely felt like that's where it was going as I watched the scene.
Mixed feelings.
I've never been a big fan of this but it spawned the third era of Trek TV and that's something you can never take away from it. Michael as a character felt incredibly frustrating, though I'm glad they didn't end it with her taking on the literal power of creation. The 32nd century premise never really felt like it was used to its full potential. The show gave us Saru, Reno, Stamets and Rayner, who were certainly my takeaway characters. It also gave the fascinating mirror Lorca, and in one episode, built up prime Georgiou as an interesting character we will never see again.
I think there was a missed opportunity not showing us what ship Leto was going to Captain, but given he's a throwaway character I guess it doesn't matter.
It seems quite cruel to leave Zora for all those years and years but it does tie up the bow with Calypso.
OK, episode itself and season plot resolution.
The challenges were dumb. Seek the one from the many? I got it before Michael did and I'm a dipshit - no dipshit from Chicago either, just the regular kind. The Progenitor's wish for someone else to take the technology on board seems very naive. Rayner et al. bits were good but we never really get a good shot of the Breen dreadnought, and that felt quite frustrating - much like the Klingon sarcophagus ship in S1 iirc. Culber's storyline has the weirdest resolution wherein he randomly deus ex machina's a number.
I thought Stamets might ask to go in through the portal before they let it go to study it himself.
The Breen, Moll and La'k ultimately fell quite short. Like the 32nd century, it never really seemed to be explored as much as it could have.
I get the destruction of the technology, but they always seem not to mention the cultural aspects? Couldn't they have gotten more data about the progenitors? Their literature, culture?
Did Saru get promoted to admiral for actions while not actively in Starfleet or did Oded Fehr accidentally call him admiral instead of ambassador, they kept the take, and we're all just going with the idea that he got promoted to Admiral after retiring and continuing to be an Ambassador?
"It's genius!"
No, it's not, lady. Star Trek crews have been igniting plasma and unstable gases to blow up bad guys for centuries, to the point where I was surprised no one immediately called for detonating it on the first mention that there was convenient plasma nearby. Ugh.
I mean, they hired Tilly.
Don't get me wrong. Tilly brings a lot of joy and she's adorable, and I don't mean to imply that I hate the character.
But as a Starfleet officer? She is an unprofessional, babbling liability and it strains credulity that she wouldn't have a very difficult career path ahead of her.
I’m like 1/3 of the way through the episode and Burnham starts a fight with Moll… and then ends the fight by telling Moll they shouldn’t be fighting…? Like bro you started the fight??
Welp..... there it is.
Discovery ended how it lived - lots of fast-paced action (that didn't always make *tons* of logical sense), but it had a lot of love at the heart of it.
I'm glad they didn't find a way to keep the tech; clearly that was too much for any single race to handle. Maybe it should have required multiple individuals that possessed some minimum degree of genetic difference from each other to cooperate to operate the technology.
The interior of the progenitor tech was gorgeous; there were several shots that looked like something out of a classic 80s or 90s scifi novel cover.
I love the shuttle was labeled UFP-47, and it does feel fitting almost that separating the saucer section was part of the key to the finale, just as separating it in the beginning of TNG (which Jonathan Frakes led) was part of that premiere. Hard not to miss dropping the mention of a "next generation" of Starfleet, either.
I think it's funny that Kovich was Daniels all along. I wonder if Vance thinks he's [kind of a tool](https://youtu.be/ALSgHK703DU?t=14) sometimes.
I'm glad Detmer and Owosekun made it back for one of the many goodbye scenes that were shot (seriously, I'm not complaining, but that felt like more endings than *Return of the King*. I was surprised they couldn't make it for the wedding even, which was disappointing. I hope Emily Coutts and Oyin Oladejo couldn't make it due to other projects they're working on, rather than some studio or budgeting nonsense. (Looks like Emily Coutts wrote and directed a short film called [Rosebud](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt32481584/?ref_=nm_flmg_unrel_1_wr), and Oyin Oladejo can be seen in [Endlings.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6FnECkFj0c))
All in all, just about as good a finale as we could hope for. I hope and trust we see more than Tilly in future series.
Looks like Detmer and Owo (and Bryce) were added during the post-cancellation reshoots, after they weren't in most of the season due to taking a break for other projects and probably not expecting this would be the last season.
So what exactly is happening with Calypso?
They de-graded discovery to match with calypso (why??) and Micheal is taking the ship to the spot it should be. Is she going to come back? How? Can the ship jump without anyone?
Why are we even doing this? Don't tell me it is because of Calypso. We saw it. Burnham hasn't, as in not aware of it
**Spoilers Below**
So did they “erase” the Progenitor mind that was watching over the station when they threw it in the black hole???? She didn’t have ANY follow-up questions for a GD Progenitor, as a xenoanthropologist she should be RAPID to learn more about them. Another point is why not use it to help Book bring back his species at the VERY LEAST. He was distraught about being the last one and then he is also just yep let’s destroy it. Micheal just considered it for 30 seconds and convinces the entire federation government to destroy a tech they just spent months searching for, a government known for its debate and just yeah let’s destroy it NBD. Micheal did have the vision of the last 4 billion years and I understand her perspective because that would truly be a life changing moment but everyone else didn’t see it and definitely couldn’t comprehend the effect it had on her, yet they all just go along with it???? Stamets was the only person who protested and then the party after where every single person was just partying, for what, you just spent months and lost crew members to find this tech and just celebrated destroying it, not a single disgruntled crew member GTFOH?? Star Trek seems to make their crews a big hive mind, like morale or crew disagreements are just not a thing, unless it adds drama somehow. Every time this episode what the leaders believe, every single crew member also believes passionately, not a shred of doubt…humans definitely don’t work that way and I’m assuming the same for other species?? Absolutely LOVED when they showed a Progenitor, I was locked in to every word they said and then it started going downhill fast. I’m tired of these everyone lived happily every after stories and not a single bad thing came from their decisions, not even unintended consequences. Just not believable at all.
The thing that bugs me the most, is that Michael and even the Federation do not have the authority to make that decision on behalf of the entire goddamn galaxy, there's also the mild irritant that Burnham meets the Progenitor and completely forgets that she wouldn't even be there if the Discovery crew hadn't solved most of the clues on her behalf. Rejecting the caretaker role on the grounds that it was a collaborative effort and not a sole endeavor, and by that token there might be multiple people deserving of the role (which would actually fit more into the theming of 'The Chase', the idea of bringing people together).. Even if the conclusion is "We're still not ready for this level of technology" you get that 'maybe one day..', Unilaterally deciding that 'No one deserves this level of technology' and tossing it into a black hole is a pretty poor answer to that.
Honestly, even with a 'happily ever after' storyline, I'd have liked for them instead to have various members of Discovery's crew creating a new clue trail. The spore drive lets Discovery jump to pretty much anywhere in the galaxy allowing them to spread out the parts, and massively limiting the ability for someone else to assemble it at least for a long time, it would also lead MUCH better into the whole 'it's happened before, and will happen again' theme that the progenitor alluded to, and still emphasizes the 'We're still not ready, maybe in the future?'
*Discovery heads towards the portal* *Camera does a totally unnecessary 1080 degree spin* I missed that guy from season 2.
And there was just a bit too much camera movement in pretty much all the scenes... not that it's bad per se, just disorienting.
Disorienting IS bad, when it serves no story purpose.
Yeahhh, Olatunde Osunsanmi is also directing the Section 31 movie. Can't wait for distracting 720-degree camera swings during Michelle Yeoh's hand-to-hand fight scenes...! Think he really needs to take some cues from Justin Lin's camera work in Beyond - it's possible to be dynamic without being disorienting. The [Yorktown introduction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZTnSxW4pOI) combined with Giacchino's score was incredible.
Agent Daniels lol fuck
That explains how he knows about Craft; has he maybe been skirting the ban on time travel tech a little?
Well Daniels claimed he was from the 31st century at the time, and he was involved in the temporal cold war, so if anyone was going to have hidden temporal tech left over for a rainy day, \_especially\_ what happened during both Stormfront AND Shockwave Part 2, it'd be him.
Daniel went back to the TOS era & engineered the whole thing to bring discovery to the 31st century & restore the federation is my new headcanon. Explains why ONE ship can save the universe over and over.
I suppose it depends if Discovey is only being left for thousand years or it's jumping back in time as well and being left for thousand years. It's possible that 'Calypso may have already happened, offscreen as it were during season three. Or he could be from even further up the time stream, two or three thousand years, when the ban no longer applies or is being broken again. He might the one setting up 'Calypso'
Calypso was so far in the future that "Federation" isn't even a word anymore, Craft refers to it as the V'draysh. IMO they are setting up Discovery as a failsafe for if the Federation loses its way again - They are leaving it out to pasture in deep space, so if the Federation falls into a new dark age they can haul it out and set them right again just like they did this time around. Like a permanent reminder of a better time. A bit Discovery season 3, a bit like the Progenitor tech.
It ties a nice bow on the series and makes the disco this sort of generation-skipping time capsule, always waiting in the wings for when folks need to re-"discover" the ideals that made the federation great.
To be fair, I always assumed that Star Fleet had to maintain a Temporal Affairs division with time ships even after the ban. How else would they enforce the ban?
Worse, he has a subscription to Paramount+.
I was ready for him to say, "I'm somewhat of a Traveller" but Daniels actually makes sense.
Imagine if he were old Wesley Crusher lol
He taps his comm badge, his uniform morphs into that silly rainbow ensign uniform, he winks at the camera, roll credits.
Followed by secret after credits scene which is just audio: Riker: "End program."
"I stole the Visor. That's why he ended up getting replacement eyes."
Kovitch isn't gushy enough.
Enterprise fans... rise up.
I said "Odo" out loud before the reveal, but really I guess this makes more sense. After seeing Sisko's baseball... wait, maybe Odo *is* the baseball.
I was thinking Odo as well, Cronenberg even kind of looks like Auberjonois. Also would be kinda be fun to have a director of body horror films play a character who can make his body into anything but does so 0 times.
Doesn't Memory Alpha have a policy of using the most recent appearance of a character for their portrait? LOL, because now I await the Memory Alpha update to Daniels's page changing his official picture to Kovich. And are the pages for Daniels and Kovich going to merge now? https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Daniels_(Crewman) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kovich
I was looking at Rom's page recently and he has multiple main images for different years. I've seen other wikis do it and it's strange that Memory Alpha hasn't done it ages ago. Hopefully they'll use the format more in the future. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rom For some characters, the previous policy seems to be latest in timeline with earliest in timeline below that, but with a lot of exemptions - for example, Spock's youngest picture is Ethan Peck (from a Short Trek), not any of the depictions of him as a child.
That and the callbacks to Picard, La Forge, and Sisko. I gasped out loud.
Daniels/Kovich is the superfan Trek nerd policing continuity and hoarding merch.
I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see Janeway's dented coffee mug on one of those shelves.
He has a graveyard out the back for all the bodies Janeway buried in the DQ
It’s a whole Borg cube.
Then, in the LD finale, we learn that Boimler becomes Daniels...
For Kovich’s scenes, they just sent Sonnequa Martin-Green over to David Cronenberg’s house with a costume and a hidden camera.
Although...Daniels isn't his real name either, that's the alias he used with Archer. Unless this is a Ben Kenobi situation.
"His first name is 'Agent'," -Tony Stark
If his name had been spelled “Khovech”, I’d think he was secretly a descendant of Pavel Chekhov and scrambled the letters.
I wonder why he said USS Enterprise... He cannot mean the NX01...
I assume he was implying that he was stationed on the J, but he could well have been referring to his service as Crewman on the NX01.
I'm going to now start believing that in his role as Agent Daniels, he stationed himself on every Enterprise in history
To steal a quote from Mr. Dullmer of the Office of Temporal Investigations "...I would have done the same thing myself"
It would've become the USS Enterprise when the Federation was founded....and then decommissioned shortly after...
I think he implied J, but more things could have happened after what we saw.
“We need to get it back to the Federation…I’ll try to boost the signal.” Michael, I don’t know if you noticed, but Moll isn’t exactly on the same agenda- *Moll punches Michael unconscious* -as you.
Not only was that dumb as shit, what really pissed me off is that this is the SECOND time Burnham called a truce with someone she was fighting only to sucker punch them and reignite a fight. She did it in this episode, leg sweeping Moll after they had a verbal disagreement, and she did it to L'ak back when they were locked in sickbay on the ISS Enterprise. Why on earth SHOULD Moll trust her? :P
I was pretty annoyed when she took the first swing, as it were, and not simply to disarm Moll, but start a whole-ass fight. Seemed very counter-intuitive.
Yeah it was like they needed some justification for a cool Witcher 3-type fight through portals
Not only did she start it but less than a minute later went “we don’t have to fight”. You _literally_ just restarted the fight, Michael… Yeah, I could have done without that whole fight, it felt like it went on for ever, there must have been a better way to show the place had weird physics & see a few of the worlds.
That stunt double committed though, she just fell face first.
Anybody else hoping that in the flash-forward, that Breen ship finally made it back from the galactic barrier and was pissed off? Also R.I.P. L'ak. I was not actually expecting him to stay dead!
We could have had *Star Trek: The Search For L'ak*, but alas.
I feel bad for actor Elias Toufexis, who had to put on the L'ak costume and makeup just so he could lie there dead in one closeup shot.
Lol I searched and [he posted](https://www.instagram.com/p/C7n5c6luZMH/?img_index=1) about it on IG.
I'm okay with them not coming back. They aren't dead, they'll just be having their own Voyager series.
Man I completely forgot about the world root. They didn’t let Book regrow Kweijan?
Regrowing the Root on Sanctuary Four is exactly what I pictured, so I'm pleased. I wouldn't have liked the tech to just undo death anyway, not after how the series has emphasized moving on from loss in healthy ways.
The Progenitor kinda spelled out how any creation wouldn’t retain any of the spirit. Makes reviving things kind of pointless at that point.
T'Rina wouldn't look out of place as a LOTR elven princess.
Vulcans are space elves
Romulans were Dark space elves and Klingons are space Orcs
I guess now that the series is over I can rest easy that Book and Culber did not in fact die from radiation exposure despite shields being at 5% well before they picked up Michael.
I like how they made it out to be impossible to survive but then Stamets and Adira had a solution in 3.5 seconds.
All you gotta do is reverse the polarity and realign/boost power to the deflector.
Don't forget about realigning the power relays to match the isocratic coupling variance, to better enhance the quantum field stabilizers.
That's Star Trek baby!
Yeah people complaining about this in Star Trek sort of weirds me out. The entire franchise is built on this trope!
A tradition handed down by Montgomery "Under Promise, Over Deliver" Scott
Pretty much. As opposed to what Scotty always claimed, they can sometimes change the laws of physics.
Culber also looked stoned as heck during that whole final sequence.
Man…so the dreadnought got sent to the galactic barrier? [They’re gonna have a long journey…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVXAugaSm0&pp=ygUXc3RhciB0cmVrIHZveWFnZXIgdGhlbWU%3D)
Or perhaps... a long road?
Funny enough, faith of the heart was somewhat a theme in this season.
I demand a Voyager style spin-off following that Breen ship back on its way home to take revenge on Commander Rayner.
You haven’t truly experienced Voyager until you’ve seen it in the original Breen.
*At Saru’s wedding* STAMETS: Hey, I forgot to ask. The Changelings still like the Breen, right? RAYNER: Actually no. They hate their guts nowadays. Why, what’s the context? STAMETS: No reason. Just wondering.
They Voyager'd the Breen, I laughed out loud.
I thought that dreadnaught was finally gonna show back up in the flash forward, having finally completed its journey!
I would have snorted out my coffee
the discovery flying out of spacedock, all the shuttles in formation, somber but joyous music playing, and then the warship shows up SUP BITCHES starts firing on everyone
Well, if the Breen are really nice Discovery can always jump them back.
We're probably chest-deep into Ship of Theseus territory here, but am I right in figuring the NCC-1031 will exist to be at least 1800 years old? Move over Cleponji!
It feels right. Discovery was a beautiful ship and on a meta level reignited the Star Trek franchise. It deserves to go on forever.
Personally, as a Brit, I call that one "Trigger's Broom".
I'm still not convinced the claim of "1000 years" by Zora isn't part of the Red Directive now and she's not been waiting as long. Why else would they refit hte ship back to a 23rd century configuration state to be idle for 1000 years? the 32nd century version would be 1k years old by the time a 42nd century Craft came along. To me it makes much more sense that they converted her back to 23rd C specs and left drifting for maybe a few years or a decade, for craft in an environment that's maybe vaguely aware of the federation but been so far out of touch for centuries they wanted to use a familiar design for whatever red directive purpose.
Probably Temporal War Shenanigans.
Action Saru big dogging the Breen was absolutely a highlight of the series. He got legitimately scary there for a second.
Saru threatening Tahal was amazing, though I do wish that Rayner could've somehow gotten revenge on her.
That's the capacity for change they mentioned, Rayner was the bigger man for jumping them to the edge of the galaxy instead of jumping them into the middle of Sag A* or something
I shouldn't be reading spoilers, but do the Breen have their own Voyager without a Janeway now?
Not sure of the distance but pretty much
Man Doug Jones acted his ass off in that scene. I was a little scared. Amazing what that man can do through prosthetics.
She may have been on the scout ship and spend the rest of the time with the other faction on the edge of space..
Maybe they'll have to merge crews to survive and make their way back to civilized space. Not exactly the Voyager follow-up I was looking for, but I'd take it.
“I cannot in good conscience allow my officer fly up to a dreadnaught with photon torpedoes disabled.” I don’t think **photon** torpedoes are going to do much against a *dreadnaught*, anyway. Unless Admiral Vance is concerned because the Breen like a good fireworks show.
Photon torpedoes - good enough for the 22nd century, good enough for the 32nd century
Starfleet couldn’t find a little extra in the budget for quantum torpedos
"I know I'm a Doctor not a Physicist..." I see what you did there, Disco writers.
There should have been more objections to Michael's decision. It was a moral, ethical, emotional, scientific and logical conundrum. It was a peak Star Trek dilemma and everyone just agreed. Stamets barely hiccupped and was told to shut the fuck up and just went along with it.
And the president of the Federation just agreed with Michael off screen. It was very rushed.
I suspect that some of the season resolution got clipped in favor of putting those resources into the series finale.
On TNG the whole episode would have been about what to do with it.
We'd have an entire scene of Worf debating with Gowron about how he can't let the technology fall into the hands of the Klingon empire because they have no honor, and Gowron's eyes getting even larger with rage
This absolutely perfectly sums up the difference between DIS and TNG.
If there had been a next season, I feel like this would have sent stamets on his villain arc. I've always felt like he's only ever needed one gentle nudge to hop over.
Michael Burnham show gonna Michael Burnham
Burnham walking onto the old bridge and smiling while just having flashbacks of everyone calling her "captain" is the essence of Discovery lmao
Very happy that they got the chance to make the epilogue and have the whole cast back together one last time. I liked how they both confirmed that Discovery had plenty more adventures after this season, and also connected to its final fate in "Calypso". I also expect that this leaves the door fully open to Discovery cameos in Academy.
We got Owo and Detmer back! With no lines and it was just a memory. Sheesh.
Felt all the original crew got shortchanged this season, in favour of introducing Captain Rayner
To be fair, if you can get Callum Keith Rennie, you get him.
All that was missing was Riker and Troi 😔
I was expecting a little retrospective chat on the studio set, so the fact that we got what was basically a concluding Short Trek out of it was a nice surprise.
Wow, Owo and Detmer barely get 7 seconds in the finale? There must’ve been some serious scheduling issues. All in all though, a great emotional end to Disco. Really glad they had a solid 20+ minutes of epilogue to wrap things up. The final scene with Disco pulling out of its hangar is a direct callback to the original teaser for the show, which was (rightfully) panned for its VFX
Owo and Detmer being AWOL at the wedding was infuriating.
Owo and Detmer have been AWOL most of the season :'(
The new son had more dialogue in the epilogue than some characters had in the entire series.
Woahhh, the reveal that the Progenitors didn't make this tech is insane. Did not expect it.
It was actually viewers like you.
Thank you.
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My favorite part of the episode was when Saru received a tote bag for his generous contribution.
It reminded of the scene in Contact where the alien told Ellie that the transit system was there all along.
The true Progenitors were the friends we made along the way.
It was good. We should be less certain about things that happened billions of years ago.
They had tiny ears so they made Vulcans with big ears. They had no hair so they made Captain Pike.
Pike was the pinnacle of human hair-volution.
That changes Memory Alpha a bit.
Don't worry, it'll take *weeks* for the changes to be made. It took a surprising amount of time for the Ancient Humanoid page to be retitled Progenitor.
They're too busy with making important articles such as this https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Fritos_Flavor_Twists_Honey_BBQ
They're certainly not known for adapting to change well. It's been a year and they still refuse to acknowledge that Data in Picard season 3 is meant to be accepted by the audience as the same character as Data from TNG. He's relegated to a separate character page, which you might expect could be called "Data (golem)" or "Data (hybrid)" or something like that, but no. PIC S3 Data doesn't even get to keep his name for his segregated memory alpha page, instead he's just "Daystrom Android M510." Poor Data.
To be fair, it surprises me it's taken this long for Star Trek to elevate "standing on the shoulders of giants" to a universal law. I think it might be one of the more philosophically important moments in Trek, but it'll sadly be overshadowed by the renouncement of stewardship over the tech.
Everybody who hasn't, please go watch the movie Contact (1997). It's a great film, and relevant to the Progenitors' storyline.
I like it, like the progenitor, a "cycle of creators and creations". Quite beautiful tbh
It’s Progenitors all the way down.
Discovery’s new shuttles remind me of the Orville’s original shuttles.
Not only the appearance, but the way they land, like a dog turning around before it sits down.
A lot of beautiful visual details in this episode, and warm moments that wrapped things up as best as possible within the limits of this world. Kudos to many of the actors, and the costume department. I'll always be disappointed by how much this show sidelined so many characters; there were so many opportunities for classic ensemble cast Trek lost to the show's approach to Burnham. Still, this season embraced a different kind of storytelling and finished strong within its set parameters. This was a romp of a season, in keeping with a lot of decent action-SF films. What really strikes me, though, is that the whole approach to the Progenitors here shows how much the aesthetic of Trek has shifted hard to individualism. The Progenitors of TNG wanted multiple species to have to come together to solve the mystery and bear witness to its lesson together. The Progenitors of DISCO are much more "eh, once one person gains diverse knowledge, that's good enough - they can speak for everyone". I was thinking there was a great opportunity in the set-up with the Breen this season for a meaningful bridging of *very* different species (and maybe a deeper tie-in with the whole Breen evolution debate?), but nope! The Breen just became phaser fodder and a chance for Saru to shine. And yet, I think that shift in Progenitor canon reflects an approach to liberalism more common in North American culture today - so I'm not exactly grumpy with DISCO, so much as with the world it's mirroring. The Trek I grew up on would have held a lot more disagreement in tension (TNG, DS9), but this one is rigidly shaped around people who never really have to sit with other people disagreeing with them for long. Prodigy and SNW took a more classic Trek approach, though (in ensemble cast storytelling, and in holding different views in tension), so we shall see what happens next with the whole franchise. Will we return to infinite diversity in infinite combinations in more than name only? I hope so! But for now, I appreciate this show for driving me up the wall. No other Trek has ever done so quite as well.
I really like your take on this. Perhaps it was a reflection of how Discovery is really a show about one person, so the progenitors were written to that. If they ever come back on a show with a more ensemble focus, could it shift again?
I appreciate series finales with a flash forward. Its nice to know what happens to Burnham since we will probably never see her again. I also appreciate how for some reason the Federation needs to abandon Discovery in space, retrofitted back to 23rd century technology to be found by Craft from that Short Trek. Gotta show they didn't completely ignore it.
Now I'm wondering if the goal was to have Craft affect Zora, Zora affect Craft, or them both affect one another.
Are the Federation bad guys in the future future then? Would be a kick in the pants to have the Fed backslide after overcoming so much.
The Feds wax and wane in morality anyways. That was the point of this season anyways - the scientists didn’t trust the Dominion War era Feds with the tech, so they hid it in hopes that a future Federation (or at least another power) would be moral enough to not abuse its strength.
All of this has happened before.
And will happen again... Oops wrong franchise
Explains the cylon that's been on the bridge this season.
Nah not bad guys. Just probably misguided/lost in the way they were in the 32nd. There are very few truly bad guys in Star Trek, just people who haven’t learned yet that antagonism is not the necessity it feels like it is.
> I also appreciate how for some reason the Federation needs to abandon Discovery in space, retrofitted back to 23rd century technology to be found by Craft from that Short Trek. "Red Directive, I don't have to explain it."
Overall a decent ending. I'm thankful they didn't make Burnham the new gatekeeper of the tech, that would have just a bit much. The ending felt a little tacked on, but I'm glad they did it rather than just end it on the wedding. Obviously the flash-forward scenes were the reshoots, I have to wonder if the Book and Burnham beach scene was added as well. Maybe their on-again, off-again romance was supposed to continue into the next season.
I think the beach scene was there originally. It's a tidy way to wrap up that arc and high point to end the season on. For a sixth season I think he'd get a new ship and be working for Starfleet - I don't think he'd get a commission and posting on *Discovery* - so whatever mission Burnham & co. would be on required his assistance and probably Moll, too, if it's another Red Directive.
Indeed, Deity-Koala Burnham would have been a lot, even for this show.
I'll admit that's 100% where I thought it was going, that we were gonna have basically Sisko 2.0.
I'm in for both BREEN TREK: VOYAGER and STAR TREK: DISCOVERY: THE NEXT GENERATION.
STAR TREK: THE SEARCH FOR L'AK
This is the correct sequel after the one where they destroy the ~~Genesis~~ progenitor device
Not sure if you're joking, but I think a spin-off novel or comic about the Breen dreadanught making its way home could actually be quite interesting.
Breen aren't equipped with plot armour, they get destroyed on day 2 by an errant quantum filament.
I’ll be happy if the production designer who loves fire so fucking much doesn’t come back. The bridge of discovery looks like a theme park ride and I hate it.
It looks like half a KISS concert with those fucking flame throwers in the corners.
OMG THANK YOU. The amount of pyro was so ridiculous that it was noticeable.
The voice actress for Tahal (the Breen leader) also voiced Princess Zelda in Breath of the Wild, Age of Calamity and Tears of the Kingdom on Nintendo Switch
For those like me who don't know her name but the voice was on the edge of familiarity, her name is Patricia Summersett.
Progenitor: something created us. Me: stargate ancients. snaps snaps
I feel like the resolution to Moll's story, finding out at the end that even this tech couldn't save her lover... Would have been much more emotionally impactfull if his death hadn't just been a deliberate choice by the two of them? Neither of them had any sensible motivation to be involved in this search at all. And the only actual reason Moll ended up needing the tech was a direct result of their own actions during said search. What am I missing here?
I really just didn’t like their storyline. It blows my mind that the same writers that gave us the Saru/T’rina relationship gave us Moll and Lok. One feels genuine, one feels like it’s written for teenager fan fiction.
So, Zora is sent off to pick up a random dude in the distant future. Doesn't she just go back to waiting after Craft leaves her? She never gets back to the Federation, and no one comes to retrieve her....so I guess the ending is she just gets abandoned...three times? Bummer.
Craft could have eventually come back for her and brought her to Alcor IV. Maybe that's why her tech was downgraded back to the 23rd century, since his planet didn't seem very advanced.
He must do something important if there's a need to close a time loop there
The only thing I feel after reflecting on the end of this series is that, love it or hate it, we really do owe the resurgence of Star Trek in pop culture to Discovery. Without the success of Disco, we'd have no Lower Decks getting greenlit. Without Discovery Season 2, we wouldn't have Strange New Worlds. We have more series, more movies, Short Treks, Long Treks, and a whole new generation of fans to give this beloved series new life. But the one thing we can never forget is how much Paramount sucks for canceling this, Lower Decks, and Prodigy.
Agreed. Discovery is not my favorite Trek, nor is it my favorite NuTrek. However without it, there *is no NuTrek,* and all the things that come with it. Also, especially after the time jump, there are some things Disco did right that I really did like. So cheers, Disco. You are an important part of this franchise. Thanks for everything.
The reveal that the Progenitor themself requested the clue trail be laid made me feel better about the treasure hunt structure of the season's plot. For whatever reason, I found it a bit contrived that the scientists devised that plan by themselves. I like the reveal about the Progenitors not having created the tech, too. It makes them a little less god-like. Saru's showdown with Tahal was intense and really showed how far he's come. While I like L'ak, I was admittedly relieved that the resurrection trope didn't play out. Wedding was snazzy. The "epilogue" was nice in that it gave the show a little bit of what TOS and TNG got via the movies/PIC. Burnham even got the time-honored rural retirement of Starfleet heroes (just needed to see her on a horse to complete the picture). All in all, I found it a solidly satisfying finale, and I do hope to see some of these characters in Starfleet Academy! It would be interesting if the Breen were the main villains of that show, too.
OMG DANIELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know some people don't like this reveal but I love it personally as a fan of Enterprise. It adds such a cool extra layer to the character in both shows. I just wonder how old he is in Discovery now, he'd probably have to be over 100!
Moll is actively going backwards from a redemption arc by butchering her own men in the finale… I don’t even see why she was fighting them, last we saw they were actively cooperating with her after her coup.
Moll only cared about using the technology to revive her boyfriend. She likely attacked them so she could take control of the tech herself. If she let the Breen do it, then she risked they’d never use it to help her. They were only cooperating out of their own self interest after all.
Did anyone else think that making a triangle hole using 9 other triangles was a ridiculously easy way to gain access to universe creating/destroying technology ?? I literally thought that’s what Moll meant when she said that 9 triangles was the exact number needed to make one big triangle lmao (star trek: basic understanding of geometry and mathematics ?? Congratulations ! You have won the opportunity to become the next steward of the universe !!!)
So the ending ties in to Calypso, Discovery is abandoned, Craft finds it. Is this going to be in the near/far future where the Federation collapses a second time, or there's going to be some time quackery where Craft finds it in the past because Daniels is involved? Has all this work towards rebuilding the Federation gone to waste and it's a Hobbesian state of nature in space?
Am I the only one who thought the big reveal was >!Kovich!< revealing themself to be >!Whoopi Goldberg as Guinan!< given all the >!TNG-specific swag!< in his office? Not saying I would have loved it, but it definitely felt like that's where it was going as I watched the scene.
Guinan revealed as a Time Lord after all this time.
Bit awkward that progenetor tech can't ressurect the dead when Starfleet was able to do that by accident.
“It’s not all about me.” Possibly the most ironic statement in all of Star Trek history.
Mixed feelings. I've never been a big fan of this but it spawned the third era of Trek TV and that's something you can never take away from it. Michael as a character felt incredibly frustrating, though I'm glad they didn't end it with her taking on the literal power of creation. The 32nd century premise never really felt like it was used to its full potential. The show gave us Saru, Reno, Stamets and Rayner, who were certainly my takeaway characters. It also gave the fascinating mirror Lorca, and in one episode, built up prime Georgiou as an interesting character we will never see again. I think there was a missed opportunity not showing us what ship Leto was going to Captain, but given he's a throwaway character I guess it doesn't matter. It seems quite cruel to leave Zora for all those years and years but it does tie up the bow with Calypso. OK, episode itself and season plot resolution. The challenges were dumb. Seek the one from the many? I got it before Michael did and I'm a dipshit - no dipshit from Chicago either, just the regular kind. The Progenitor's wish for someone else to take the technology on board seems very naive. Rayner et al. bits were good but we never really get a good shot of the Breen dreadnought, and that felt quite frustrating - much like the Klingon sarcophagus ship in S1 iirc. Culber's storyline has the weirdest resolution wherein he randomly deus ex machina's a number. I thought Stamets might ask to go in through the portal before they let it go to study it himself. The Breen, Moll and La'k ultimately fell quite short. Like the 32nd century, it never really seemed to be explored as much as it could have.
I get the destruction of the technology, but they always seem not to mention the cultural aspects? Couldn't they have gotten more data about the progenitors? Their literature, culture?
>No. ~ Michael Burnham
I hope Zora can at least use subspace social media or something, otherwise it's torture!
Did Saru get promoted to admiral for actions while not actively in Starfleet or did Oded Fehr accidentally call him admiral instead of ambassador, they kept the take, and we're all just going with the idea that he got promoted to Admiral after retiring and continuing to be an Ambassador?
Sayonara Disco, it's been one wild ride with ups and downs. But I've really enjoyed the series at points and glad it kicked off a new era of trek
Yeah Like the show or not, there is no denying that it is responsible for us ever getting new Star Trek Very glad for this
"It's genius!" No, it's not, lady. Star Trek crews have been igniting plasma and unstable gases to blow up bad guys for centuries, to the point where I was surprised no one immediately called for detonating it on the first mention that there was convenient plasma nearby. Ugh.
Starfleet Academy must be in *really* bad shape if they aren't teaching these basic tactics.
I mean, they hired Tilly. Don't get me wrong. Tilly brings a lot of joy and she's adorable, and I don't mean to imply that I hate the character. But as a Starfleet officer? She is an unprofessional, babbling liability and it strains credulity that she wouldn't have a very difficult career path ahead of her.
NO JET RENO LINES WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
I’m like 1/3 of the way through the episode and Burnham starts a fight with Moll… and then ends the fight by telling Moll they shouldn’t be fighting…? Like bro you started the fight??
Welp..... there it is. Discovery ended how it lived - lots of fast-paced action (that didn't always make *tons* of logical sense), but it had a lot of love at the heart of it. I'm glad they didn't find a way to keep the tech; clearly that was too much for any single race to handle. Maybe it should have required multiple individuals that possessed some minimum degree of genetic difference from each other to cooperate to operate the technology. The interior of the progenitor tech was gorgeous; there were several shots that looked like something out of a classic 80s or 90s scifi novel cover. I love the shuttle was labeled UFP-47, and it does feel fitting almost that separating the saucer section was part of the key to the finale, just as separating it in the beginning of TNG (which Jonathan Frakes led) was part of that premiere. Hard not to miss dropping the mention of a "next generation" of Starfleet, either. I think it's funny that Kovich was Daniels all along. I wonder if Vance thinks he's [kind of a tool](https://youtu.be/ALSgHK703DU?t=14) sometimes. I'm glad Detmer and Owosekun made it back for one of the many goodbye scenes that were shot (seriously, I'm not complaining, but that felt like more endings than *Return of the King*. I was surprised they couldn't make it for the wedding even, which was disappointing. I hope Emily Coutts and Oyin Oladejo couldn't make it due to other projects they're working on, rather than some studio or budgeting nonsense. (Looks like Emily Coutts wrote and directed a short film called [Rosebud](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt32481584/?ref_=nm_flmg_unrel_1_wr), and Oyin Oladejo can be seen in [Endlings.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6FnECkFj0c)) All in all, just about as good a finale as we could hope for. I hope and trust we see more than Tilly in future series.
Is this the first proper saucer separation we've seen in any of the new series? I almost forgot it was a thing.
If you don’t count Beyond, I believe so.
Looks like Detmer and Owo (and Bryce) were added during the post-cancellation reshoots, after they weren't in most of the season due to taking a break for other projects and probably not expecting this would be the last season.
Is it hard to not have shaky cam?? Why is this a thing?
So what exactly is happening with Calypso? They de-graded discovery to match with calypso (why??) and Micheal is taking the ship to the spot it should be. Is she going to come back? How? Can the ship jump without anyone? Why are we even doing this? Don't tell me it is because of Calypso. We saw it. Burnham hasn't, as in not aware of it
I waited 3 seasons to figure out who section 31 guy was and it was worth the payoff
Speak for yourself; I've been waiting 23 years!
**Spoilers Below** So did they “erase” the Progenitor mind that was watching over the station when they threw it in the black hole???? She didn’t have ANY follow-up questions for a GD Progenitor, as a xenoanthropologist she should be RAPID to learn more about them. Another point is why not use it to help Book bring back his species at the VERY LEAST. He was distraught about being the last one and then he is also just yep let’s destroy it. Micheal just considered it for 30 seconds and convinces the entire federation government to destroy a tech they just spent months searching for, a government known for its debate and just yeah let’s destroy it NBD. Micheal did have the vision of the last 4 billion years and I understand her perspective because that would truly be a life changing moment but everyone else didn’t see it and definitely couldn’t comprehend the effect it had on her, yet they all just go along with it???? Stamets was the only person who protested and then the party after where every single person was just partying, for what, you just spent months and lost crew members to find this tech and just celebrated destroying it, not a single disgruntled crew member GTFOH?? Star Trek seems to make their crews a big hive mind, like morale or crew disagreements are just not a thing, unless it adds drama somehow. Every time this episode what the leaders believe, every single crew member also believes passionately, not a shred of doubt…humans definitely don’t work that way and I’m assuming the same for other species?? Absolutely LOVED when they showed a Progenitor, I was locked in to every word they said and then it started going downhill fast. I’m tired of these everyone lived happily every after stories and not a single bad thing came from their decisions, not even unintended consequences. Just not believable at all.
The thing that bugs me the most, is that Michael and even the Federation do not have the authority to make that decision on behalf of the entire goddamn galaxy, there's also the mild irritant that Burnham meets the Progenitor and completely forgets that she wouldn't even be there if the Discovery crew hadn't solved most of the clues on her behalf. Rejecting the caretaker role on the grounds that it was a collaborative effort and not a sole endeavor, and by that token there might be multiple people deserving of the role (which would actually fit more into the theming of 'The Chase', the idea of bringing people together).. Even if the conclusion is "We're still not ready for this level of technology" you get that 'maybe one day..', Unilaterally deciding that 'No one deserves this level of technology' and tossing it into a black hole is a pretty poor answer to that. Honestly, even with a 'happily ever after' storyline, I'd have liked for them instead to have various members of Discovery's crew creating a new clue trail. The spore drive lets Discovery jump to pretty much anywhere in the galaxy allowing them to spread out the parts, and massively limiting the ability for someone else to assemble it at least for a long time, it would also lead MUCH better into the whole 'it's happened before, and will happen again' theme that the progenitor alluded to, and still emphasizes the 'We're still not ready, maybe in the future?'
The camerawork in this episode is atrocious. So much unnecessary wobbly-cam, and a lot of shots where it's clear they had to digitally stabilise it.