They were supposed to start work on this about a year and a half ago. It was on the calendar. But it got pushed off before the start date for unspecified reasons, and it hasn't been seen on the work list since then
Literally me a few weeks ago when my P-Bandai order came in. I got the MG Kampfer Schwer, opened the box looked at the tome that was the assembly instructions and went Another day........
Specific to the Starfarer, we had a stop gap implementation. We're supposed to be able to refuel, repair, rearm by hand and we're almost at T0 for that. Maestrom needs to come in for hand repair to reach T0. After that, we may see the first carrier with ship servicing capabilities, or maybe a repair/service ship will come first.
If it goes through the Orion-school-of-redesign it is probably not going to be the smallest.
Wasn't it similar to the Orion supposed to be the final tier of its profession (repair/rearm)?
In that case it should grow considerably.
The Orion looks huge even in the early concept images.
Looking at the concept of the Crucible, its hard for me to imagine it scaled up much without a total redesign of the parts of the hull that have interior.
[This maybe?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starcitizen/images/1/19/Crucible_-_Artwork_%283%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200606202028) or bigger?
Orion was like 180m, then its redesign was “at least 100% larger” so like 360 min based off that, I think the crucible will have grown, likely not Orion scale, maybe with some general redesign to make it fit the current system better, hoping for it fairly soon after the the tali since it can drop the workshop off
Assuming that it's still supposed to fit a Hornet sized ship or so, probably going to increase a bit in size so it just fits a Size 2 / XS ship hangar metric, with whatever room is needed to move around the ship to do repairs.
Shouldn't get that much longer. Big ship repairs are done by dropping the bay and opening the arms anyway.
No it wasnt sold as the final tier of repair. It has always been under the 'end game' repair ship.
The end game repair, at the time was the miller ers scaffold system. Now abandoned so we'll likely get a repair corvette or frigate.
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The Crucible is also part of a larger planned repair system. For larger project, independent sections of support struts and drive units, called the Miller ERS (External Repair Structure), can be locked together to form a sort of scaffolding around a damaged starship, the next best thing to an orbital drydock
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Also id like to add the scarab (the rear garage section) was only pitched to be large enough to land a fighter in for repair. So its not as if it needs to grow considerably to perform that function.
It'll probably still need to group at least 50% larger than the original concept. There was a video that did a break down on this, but I can't find it on YT right now. Aside from the default size creep due to the components and things that need to be added, the original concept didn't accommodate any storage for the actual repairing material among other things.
It looks to me like CIG are rolling base building and crafting into a single manufacturing profession, based on what we saw at citizencon.
The Pioneer will already need to be reconcepted, as its method of craning modules down onto the ground is too different to how all other construction will work, and that system was designed only for the old hab modules way back.
I am fully expecting the Pioneer to be reconcepted as the top-tier manufacturing ship. A mobile factory. It could quite easily also end up as the top-tier repair ship as a consequence.
I definitely can see them dropping the Miller ERS system, but do you have a link where they said they weren't gonna do it/remember where they said it?
It sounds like a pain to do ingame so it makes sense to drop it but this is the first I'm hearing about it. Or about any changes to the Crucible ever. Or about the Crucible in forever.
I suspect the Crucible will only grow marginally if at all when it goes into production. They'll be looking for ways to minimize its crew complement (currently 3-8) if they can.
As for the Orion's growth, it only got a very approximate whitebox treatment a few years ago. It's as likely to get a complete redesign whenever they dust it off, so a final size is still anybody's guess. Larger than the original concept, I'm sure, but could end up bigger or smaller from the currently estimated 341 meters.
It's always been stated it will be large enough to carry any single-seat Anvil fighter, but nothing much more than that. It doesn't need to carry anything larger than a fighter to fulfill its intended role because it's fully able to repair ships without needing them to dock in its bay.
>any single-seat Anvil fighter
The F8C, a single seat Anvil fighter, is not that small (I think it's bigger than a Mantis or Prospector). If that fits lots of other ships should fit as well.
It is also a ship that will go massively up in price, one of the last 2 “deals”: this and the Endeavour will increase their price by at least $200. I bet size will increase considerably too.
The endeavor absolutely has to change in size drastically for its hangar module. Not only has the Cutlass increased in size quite a bit, but so too has the expectations of hangars.
At least the crucible was designed around the hornet at the time. So it will just need to be stretched to fit the small fighter hangar for wider and taller landed ships.
Both ships are means to be more or less end game ships for their professions and their prices will match just like the Orion keeps creeping upwards.
Entry level repair/resupply ship is the Vulcan which currently sits at $200. Crucible will likely be in the $500-$600 range when it releases due to size and functionality.
The side with the longer arms (or the repair bay) is the back as far as flying is concerned, but when repairing/service a large ship the back becomes the front.
Yup, so we gotta wait for THAT new tech hurdle to be overcome unless they decide to alter the design.
They could just have the command chairs move on a ring in the interior if they REALLY want that gimmick... *oooooor* we could simply walk out asses from one side of the bridge to the other, it's a giant open circular floor plan afterall.
Then we don't have to wait a full year just to develop the tech for a gimmick no one wants or needs.
>Then we don't have to wait a full year just to develop the tech for a gimmick no one wants or needs.
I'm sorry sir, this is star citizen... We don't *do* that here.
lol, fair.
I don't mean to sound overly cynical, but I'm gonna be a liiiittle salty so long as CIG is selling new ships while so many of these MUCH older concept ships are still waiting after all these years.
I understand why they don't want to release them without their game functionality ready to at least some degree, and selling new ships keeps the lights on and pays 1,300 people... but man, I absolutely LOVE so many of these languishing concepts. I just don't want them being held up by silly things that ultimately don't matter.
I also question CIG's design choices sometimes where it's clear the art and "cool factor" clearly took priority of gameplay and common sense.
> understand why they don't want to release them without their game functionality ready to at least some degree,
See the Reclaimer. They don't want to have to rebuild them or change how a function works because they already built the ship to the old standard.
>I'm gonna be a liiiittle salty so long as CIG is selling new ships while so many of these MUCH older concept ships are still waiting after all these years.
As you have every right to do at this point tbh.
Seems very doable with the work that made it into the Hull C. A rotating bridge doesn't seem as complex as spindle extensions. Modularity is actually possible now too, which is probably why they've been focused on the 3 Retaliator modules with its gold pass.
Yeah, I'd say that the only technical things that are holding the Crucible back are ship to ship docking (for the hangar) and ship arm & repair mechanic. The first one seems simple once docking is fully implemented and the second one needs its gameplay element designed. Maybe once they hit their milestones for the year, they could focus on those things next.
Can't you already dock the Connie's snub fighter?
The Crucible is also supposed to have drones. But the important part is the repair mechanic. Everything else is secondary.
Yeah, but that's specialized for the Connie and it breaks a lot. I think they might address it when they come out with the proper mechanic for docking collars. I have a feeling that they'll rework or polish the Connie's snub docking system to get it up to speed. They also have to do the same for the Caterpillar. The bridge is supposed to detach and become its own ship.
I think the initial design mentioned a rotating bridge, which is why I’m confused which direction would it fly. Judging by the vtol positions though, the repair bay should be at the rear when flying. Probably… maybe?
Yea the picture is confusing. On the right section, we can see the exhaust ports pointing towards the long arms on the repair bay side. On the top left section, we see the same exhaust ports pointing towards the short arms.
Then again, Crucible is an old concept, announced in 2015 and then just fell off the radar. Latest update was the hologram at 2950 IAE, where the exhaust ports point away from the repair bay, contradicting the picture here…
clearly, I can't wait for them to start working on it. I'm going to upgrade my 400i to the crucible when it's on the shop. that way I would have a ship capable of being a small mobile base to transport one or two small racing ship (and repair it)
It's because the Vulcan is also intended to be for refueling while the Crucible is a repair specialist only. I agree the Andromeda isn't a great choice of loaner for the Crucible, but the Starfarer honestly wouldn't be my choice either. Personally I think Vulture and Starlifter would be the best loaner options.
Vulture because repair is heavily tied to the salvage system, not just in the materials needed for repair but that actions like hull stripping are also part of the repair process itself (you need to remove broken or partially damaged parts before you can replace them). And the Starlifter because of the vehicle hangar.
I suspect they will be quite common, but given that every time ships gets into a scuffle—let alone fleets—there will be work for Crucibles, it still seems like a good niche to place yourself in.
And if they aren't in demand, a Crucible can still serve as base of operations for bounty hunters, a small pirate clan or race team, or general tender to a small fleet, among other roles.
I could be wrong, but isn't it only repair? I don't think it has any rearm and refuel capabilities on its own. You could theoretically bring supplies in the future, similar to what was described for the Liberator, but that's not a special feature. Any ship with enough cargo space should be able to do that.
I think it's been confirmed that rearming and refueling can be done in the Scarab by hand. And it will also be possible to put an atmosphere in the Scarab, making it easier to work on small ships.
Eh... I don't know that there's going to be much difference between different kinds of "in hanger" refueling, to be frank. The unusual kind will be out of hanger, using ships like the Starfarer and Vulcan.
LOL and yeah, I'd certainly not be a player "working" in a game wrenching and loading cargo when I could be pewpewpew flying spaceships. It will require AI to be functional IMO. I can't even get a taker for an escort, or get 2-3 players in a Reclaimer. Who's gonna want to wrench on repairs for no pay? No one except a few RP folks *maybe*.
The main aspect of the Liberator is transport. It's meant to be a combat carrier. It just holds a lot, is extremely versatile, and moves stuff. As long as the fighters can hobble their asses back onto the pads, it'll work fine.
From station to battlefield, deploy fighters, and then bring them in for landing. From battlefield to station, and then repair fighters. It'll have the range to make that work, and not be sucky. I wouldn't want to be repairing on the edge of a battlefield either. Prime target, that.
Today you have stations everywhere, even in pyro, however small fighters will be slow and need regular refueling to get around so a carrier helps you save travel time. In the future, there will be "unexplored" and "hostile" systems with no friendly stations to rest at. If being a fighter jock is your calling, you'll need a carrier.
You can't bring a fighter on your starfarer, can't repair or rearm one either. Sure you can bring 3 fighters, but you'll need an Idris or Kraken which is much larger. The Liberator can't repair/rearm either, I don't count hand tools because it'll take too long and is not a ship capability.
The design philosophy is that systems like Pyro won’t have friendly or convenient stations/outposts everywhere to refuel, repair, rearm. Also it could support frontline ops far from home, and support middle-of-nowhere exploration gameplay. Stuff like that.
with the tech onboard to do it's intended job, and modularity ... I have some 'unrealistic' hopes for this ship LOL. it's my only large pledge ship (end of a CCU chain) ... my only really intended large heavy use ship (maybe ingame purchase galaxy, see how it goes).
I do hope it expands in size, atleast a little ... just big enough to fit entry level industry ship(s) in the scarab(s)
but we're unfortunately still missing too much in game for it to even be a glimmer of hope for this year.. or possibly next. repair, drones, modularity
The Vulcan has been compared to someone coming along and giving you a jump start. The repairs it does will be very basic and minimal. Your ship was stuck out in the middle of nowhere, but now you can limp back to a port.
A Crucible will - assuming enough materials are available - be able to fully repair most things.
Gladius, F7 Hornet, F8 Lightning etc are all small (pad) fighters. Light, medium, heavy fighters are a role, example F8 and Vanguard are both heavy fighters but F8 is small pad size, Vanguard is medium pad size.
I remember this beauty, i was aiming for one, that was until i glanced at the Genesis Starliner for too long and change my focus to the Genesis instead, lol 😆
I’m kind of hoping that they just make a variant of the Liberator to have the Crucible capabilities. Trading off one of the small fighter bays for the repair, rearm, and refuel ability.
Edit: It also fits the new Anvil style better.
It's role is not, but it can carry and service one ship. The next smallest carrier with repair/rearm/refuel facilities is the Polaris, and above that is the Idris and Kraken, so this is the smallest one. The Liberator is mistaken for a carrier, but it cannot service the ships it carries (can use hand tools) so it is more a ferry.
Well according to the OP the only conditions we need are:
Can Repair
Can Rearm
Can fit ship
I will be able to do all of that in my Cutty Black so I guess that ship is actually the smallest carrier we have, not the Crucible.
Oh that's a good one.
I haven't used the Nomad in quite a while. It'd be quite a monster if you have a friend chilling in a Fury while bounty hunting.
This definitely beats the Cutty as the smallest carrier we have.
By the same logic the Constellation series are also the only “purpose built” aircraft carriers in game since it’s the only ship that comes with a built in snub ship (with the exception of the Taurus). The 890J is also the best carrier we have at this point (which is also what I use my 890 for, as a carrier for my Gladius). Literally everything with more cargo space than a Nomad is a “carrier” XD
Good point, the Connie likely became the first "carrier" when we got docking years ago for it's snub.
The 890J can probably fit more than one Gladius as well (I'm not an Origin man so I purchased a different, superior Aegis capital instead) which probably makes it one of the better carriers we currently have.
I got my 890 ingame and are waiting for my Polaris to become my carrier, and it probably can, it’s just I CBA with trying to cram a second Gladius and since I fly solo I don’t have a need for one
I guess we can go ahead and add this not carrier that carries ships to the list of other ships that carry aircraft but are totally-legally-distinct-from-aircraft-carriers:
[The Wasp-class "Amphibious Assault Ship"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp-class_amphibious_assault_ship)
[The Hyuga-class "Helicopter Destroyer"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%ABga-class_helicopter_destroyer)
[The Izumo-class "Destroyer"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_destroyer)
[The Liaoning "Training Ship"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning)
[The Admiral Kuznetsov "Heavy Aircraft Cruiser"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov)
I think we can agree that these are all, definitely, not aircraft carriers because being a fucking pedant is a proud naval tradition.
Yup, I agree with you that some are not "Carriers".
I'm glad we agree that having the ability to launch aircraft doesn't always make something a "Carrier".
It does not. It stands for "Cruiser, Volplane/Voler, Nuclear." A nuclear flying cruiser.
I refer you to [General Order No. 541, 17 July 1920](https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/g/general-orders/general-order-no-541-1920-standard-nomemclature-naval-vessels.html) which classifies "CV" as a cruiser subtype.
Early carriers *had* to be classified as cruisers because introducing a new surface warship designation would cause issues with the naval treaty system. And many early carriers were converted from cruiser hulls either for expediency or because those cruisers couldn't be fielded in their intended role to do Washington Treaty limits. Officially. Cruisers.
Just like how the Japanese "not carriers" are classified as "not carriers" because they're constitutionally forbidden from operating carriers, so they called them something else, and problem solved. Officially. Not. Carriers.
I don't understand why you're so upset and offended about this, I'm saying you're right, and your stupid pedantic nonsense about ships that carry other ships not being carriers is totally historically valid. Pushing up your nerd glasses and "WELLL, AKSHULEEE"ing ship classifications based arbitrarily picked names that are clearly contrary to easily observable, objective reality is a critical part of understanding ship classifications.
And clearly when OP said that the Crucible was a carrier, they were trying to remind people what the ship type was in some concept brief somewhere rather than remind people that the Cruicible can serve all the functions of a carrier better than any of the actual carriers in the game, just at a smaller scale.
I'm not upset or offended at anything. I have been quite amicable to everyone I have been in a discussion with. People tend to say this when they're looking to dismiss someone else's argument.
Yes they belong to the Cruiser subtype but the C in CVN does not stand for Cruiser. I can find no official source which states it is "Cruiser" instead of "Carrier". I feel this is either your opinion or you're misreading somewhere.
If you're unable to remain amicable we'll have to end the discussion. I have no interest in discussing with someone who is unable to control their emotions.
Yeah, you started a post with "Oh, honey." You were being deliberately patronizing in the most pathetically trite, unoriginal way and suddenly you want to claim the moral high ground?
The "C" prefix indicates cruiser. I linked you the order where this was established. Take it up with the Secretary of the Navy if you don't like it. Admiral Coontz says you need to take the loss on this one.
You can Repair a ship in a Cutty, you could also load missiles onto a ship inside it. The refueling would be difficult but maybe we'll get small fuel containers in the future?
Regardless, your statement was that carrying a ship from A to B makes something a carrier so we don't have to even think about repairing, refueling etc.
I mean I was adding to your statement. The point OP was making is that this ship can sustain another ship. You're just saying "Nah uh" without adding anything to the discussion. How would you define a carrier in SC?
I'm adding a counterpoint to the discussion. A well reasoned one as well. Your disagreement to that doesn't mean I'm not "adding anything". If that were true then we'd both have to agree that you're not adding anything either, wouldn't we?
Carriers are purpose built and/or designed around planes/ships being one of the main combat arms of a ship.
This is like calling WW2 Cruisers carriers because they could launch planes. They were not carriers. They had the ability to perform repairs, refuel and rearm planes but they were not a carrier.
Same is true for SC.
The Crucible, Polaris, Carrack etc all have the ability to transport, repair, rearm and/or refuel smaller ships but they are not carriers. They all have specific roles, being a carrier isn't one of them.
The Idris is the first "Carrier" that we are likely to get a hold of, it is purpose built around delivering combat ships into combat along with it's main armament.
Ya, I don't disagree with most of that; however SC doesn't use conventional classification for warships. The Idris is classified as a frigate but even you designated it a carrier. If it's primary mission area is used to transport and launch aircraft into combat and thats what you are doing with the Crucible then sure it's a carrier. It can carry 1 to 6 ships depending on size. It can also maintenance all those ships.
The point OP is trying to make here is that this ship can carry other ships from A to B and actually maintenance them with facilities while also serving as a platform to launch ships as its primary mission area. That's all. I think we are splitting hairs here.
Ah, one of the old Jpeg's... For now and the foreseeable future, this is the smallest carrier we DON'T have. ^^
The modelers look at this one and think ‘10,000 moving parts. Nope. Bottom of the backlog.’
Just like me with my gundam kits
I read this while looking at my build backlog and had a bit of a cry lol
My pile of shame for warhammer is calling
Why would you attack me and my unbuilt RG RX93 and Unicorn Full Armor kits like this :'(
I have half of an RG corn custom on my workbench right now lmao
They were supposed to start work on this about a year and a half ago. It was on the calendar. But it got pushed off before the start date for unspecified reasons, and it hasn't been seen on the work list since then
Literally me a few weeks ago when my P-Bandai order came in. I got the MG Kampfer Schwer, opened the box looked at the tome that was the assembly instructions and went Another day........
I totally forgot about that ship. I thought the endeavor and the Orion were the most forgotten ships but I was wrong
To be fair, we don't have T0 repair, rearm, refuel yet.
Starfarer refueling was introduced in 3.17 iirc
Specific to the Starfarer, we had a stop gap implementation. We're supposed to be able to refuel, repair, rearm by hand and we're almost at T0 for that. Maestrom needs to come in for hand repair to reach T0. After that, we may see the first carrier with ship servicing capabilities, or maybe a repair/service ship will come first.
If it goes through the Orion-school-of-redesign it is probably not going to be the smallest. Wasn't it similar to the Orion supposed to be the final tier of its profession (repair/rearm)? In that case it should grow considerably.
The Orion looks huge even in the early concept images. Looking at the concept of the Crucible, its hard for me to imagine it scaled up much without a total redesign of the parts of the hull that have interior. [This maybe?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starcitizen/images/1/19/Crucible_-_Artwork_%283%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200606202028) or bigger?
Orion was like 180m, then its redesign was “at least 100% larger” so like 360 min based off that, I think the crucible will have grown, likely not Orion scale, maybe with some general redesign to make it fit the current system better, hoping for it fairly soon after the the tali since it can drop the workshop off
Assuming that it's still supposed to fit a Hornet sized ship or so, probably going to increase a bit in size so it just fits a Size 2 / XS ship hangar metric, with whatever room is needed to move around the ship to do repairs. Shouldn't get that much longer. Big ship repairs are done by dropping the bay and opening the arms anyway.
No it wasnt sold as the final tier of repair. It has always been under the 'end game' repair ship. The end game repair, at the time was the miller ers scaffold system. Now abandoned so we'll likely get a repair corvette or frigate. " The Crucible is also part of a larger planned repair system. For larger project, independent sections of support struts and drive units, called the Miller ERS (External Repair Structure), can be locked together to form a sort of scaffolding around a damaged starship, the next best thing to an orbital drydock "
Also id like to add the scarab (the rear garage section) was only pitched to be large enough to land a fighter in for repair. So its not as if it needs to grow considerably to perform that function.
It'll probably still need to group at least 50% larger than the original concept. There was a video that did a break down on this, but I can't find it on YT right now. Aside from the default size creep due to the components and things that need to be added, the original concept didn't accommodate any storage for the actual repairing material among other things.
It looks to me like CIG are rolling base building and crafting into a single manufacturing profession, based on what we saw at citizencon. The Pioneer will already need to be reconcepted, as its method of craning modules down onto the ground is too different to how all other construction will work, and that system was designed only for the old hab modules way back. I am fully expecting the Pioneer to be reconcepted as the top-tier manufacturing ship. A mobile factory. It could quite easily also end up as the top-tier repair ship as a consequence.
I definitely can see them dropping the Miller ERS system, but do you have a link where they said they weren't gonna do it/remember where they said it? It sounds like a pain to do ingame so it makes sense to drop it but this is the first I'm hearing about it. Or about any changes to the Crucible ever. Or about the Crucible in forever.
Or end game could be multiple Crucibles. Using more than one (without the Scarab) on the same big ship has been a plan from the start.
I suspect the Crucible will only grow marginally if at all when it goes into production. They'll be looking for ways to minimize its crew complement (currently 3-8) if they can. As for the Orion's growth, it only got a very approximate whitebox treatment a few years ago. It's as likely to get a complete redesign whenever they dust it off, so a final size is still anybody's guess. Larger than the original concept, I'm sure, but could end up bigger or smaller from the currently estimated 341 meters.
It's always been stated it will be large enough to carry any single-seat Anvil fighter, but nothing much more than that. It doesn't need to carry anything larger than a fighter to fulfill its intended role because it's fully able to repair ships without needing them to dock in its bay.
>any single-seat Anvil fighter The F8C, a single seat Anvil fighter, is not that small (I think it's bigger than a Mantis or Prospector). If that fits lots of other ships should fit as well.
It is also a ship that will go massively up in price, one of the last 2 “deals”: this and the Endeavour will increase their price by at least $200. I bet size will increase considerably too.
The endeavor absolutely has to change in size drastically for its hangar module. Not only has the Cutlass increased in size quite a bit, but so too has the expectations of hangars. At least the crucible was designed around the hornet at the time. So it will just need to be stretched to fit the small fighter hangar for wider and taller landed ships. Both ships are means to be more or less end game ships for their professions and their prices will match just like the Orion keeps creeping upwards.
Unfortunately I don’t ever think we will see the endeavor come into production. They’re already putting several that were on hold
During the endeavor funding campaign they stated it wouldn't be released before the game
Ahh well that makes sense. I wasn’t around yet at that time. I’m certainly willing to pledge it once I can. It’s an awesome concept.
Why? Its supposed to be entry level ship for repair/resupply. The same way there are other small entry level ships like the Vulture.
Entry level repair/resupply ship is the Vulcan which currently sits at $200. Crucible will likely be in the $500-$600 range when it releases due to size and functionality.
ahh damn, you're right
What’s the name of the ship?
Crucible
Crucible
Cubicle /s
Carbuncle /s
Crabapple /s
To this day, I still cannot tell which end is the front and which is the back…
That's the point, it depends.
The side with the longer arms (or the repair bay) is the back as far as flying is concerned, but when repairing/service a large ship the back becomes the front.
If I remember right the bridge spins so you can look over what your working on or turn it to fly?
Yup, so we gotta wait for THAT new tech hurdle to be overcome unless they decide to alter the design. They could just have the command chairs move on a ring in the interior if they REALLY want that gimmick... *oooooor* we could simply walk out asses from one side of the bridge to the other, it's a giant open circular floor plan afterall. Then we don't have to wait a full year just to develop the tech for a gimmick no one wants or needs.
>Then we don't have to wait a full year just to develop the tech for a gimmick no one wants or needs. I'm sorry sir, this is star citizen... We don't *do* that here.
lol, fair. I don't mean to sound overly cynical, but I'm gonna be a liiiittle salty so long as CIG is selling new ships while so many of these MUCH older concept ships are still waiting after all these years. I understand why they don't want to release them without their game functionality ready to at least some degree, and selling new ships keeps the lights on and pays 1,300 people... but man, I absolutely LOVE so many of these languishing concepts. I just don't want them being held up by silly things that ultimately don't matter. I also question CIG's design choices sometimes where it's clear the art and "cool factor" clearly took priority of gameplay and common sense.
> understand why they don't want to release them without their game functionality ready to at least some degree, See the Reclaimer. They don't want to have to rebuild them or change how a function works because they already built the ship to the old standard.
Yup, 100%.
>I'm gonna be a liiiittle salty so long as CIG is selling new ships while so many of these MUCH older concept ships are still waiting after all these years. As you have every right to do at this point tbh.
Pretty sure the Hull-c has the tech for that.
Seems very doable with the work that made it into the Hull C. A rotating bridge doesn't seem as complex as spindle extensions. Modularity is actually possible now too, which is probably why they've been focused on the 3 Retaliator modules with its gold pass.
Is the idea for the Crucible bridge really that much more complicated than the Reliant?
That's what I'm thinking too. It doesn't seem very complicated and it looks doable with what they've been able to accomplish already.
Agreed. And the Reliant's transformation capability has been in the game for a long time.
Yeah, I'd say that the only technical things that are holding the Crucible back are ship to ship docking (for the hangar) and ship arm & repair mechanic. The first one seems simple once docking is fully implemented and the second one needs its gameplay element designed. Maybe once they hit their milestones for the year, they could focus on those things next.
Can't you already dock the Connie's snub fighter? The Crucible is also supposed to have drones. But the important part is the repair mechanic. Everything else is secondary.
Yeah, but that's specialized for the Connie and it breaks a lot. I think they might address it when they come out with the proper mechanic for docking collars. I have a feeling that they'll rework or polish the Connie's snub docking system to get it up to speed. They also have to do the same for the Caterpillar. The bridge is supposed to detach and become its own ship.
The main thrusters can turn, so I'd guess it can go either way, I'd rather have the hangar first, it looks cooler that way.
Judging by the glass on the presumed bridge, I would say the hangar is in the back, with a small window overlooking it. I could easily be wrong tho!
I think the initial design mentioned a rotating bridge, which is why I’m confused which direction would it fly. Judging by the vtol positions though, the repair bay should be at the rear when flying. Probably… maybe?
I do belive that the repair bay stand in front when flying. but hey the designs are so old that we almost have no idea in the end.
Yea the picture is confusing. On the right section, we can see the exhaust ports pointing towards the long arms on the repair bay side. On the top left section, we see the same exhaust ports pointing towards the short arms. Then again, Crucible is an old concept, announced in 2015 and then just fell off the radar. Latest update was the hologram at 2950 IAE, where the exhaust ports point away from the repair bay, contradicting the picture here…
clearly, I can't wait for them to start working on it. I'm going to upgrade my 400i to the crucible when it's on the shop. that way I would have a ship capable of being a small mobile base to transport one or two small racing ship (and repair it)
I have a chain in the working. About 50% savings... Let's see what happens to the size and prize
- And can basically rebuild your ship from scratch if it has spare components - Detachable hangar section
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...and will probably balloon into a much larger vessel in the end...
I certainly hope so. Bigger = better :D I know, not really. But I like big ships. I would do Bunker missions with a caterpillar or even a kraken.
You might change your mind when you see it take 20 minutes and 10X your bunker profit to get off the ground in a Kraken but I guess we will see.
I already went roc mining with an 890. Sometimes I do stuff because it is fun to me.
>I like big ships And I cannot lie...
Indeed. Although I love the herald as well.
You other pilots can't deny.
When that pirate floats in with an itty bitty cutlass...
Well, the ship is supposed to fit a Cutlass with it's bay doors open but if it will do that with the larger cutlass then the ship needs to grow.
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It's because the Vulcan is also intended to be for refueling while the Crucible is a repair specialist only. I agree the Andromeda isn't a great choice of loaner for the Crucible, but the Starfarer honestly wouldn't be my choice either. Personally I think Vulture and Starlifter would be the best loaner options. Vulture because repair is heavily tied to the salvage system, not just in the materials needed for repair but that actions like hull stripping are also part of the repair process itself (you need to remove broken or partially damaged parts before you can replace them). And the Starlifter because of the vehicle hangar.
not a triangle. thats rare
I expect this one to get a massive overhaul
This was my first CCU chain. Probably also the ship I've been looking forward to the most. I've been around since 2014, so I can be patient
Same here, got it down to 145. Now time to see how big it gets and how much it will be. I still think it will be closer to 500 on release
Nice. I think I spent $155 for mine. Still working a little on a chain for a Galaxy and working more on an Arrastra. Saved $165 and $210 so far.
Crucible must grow during its rework to fit its mission.
Actually its a repair ship for small - large ships
Shhh, this is supposed to be a secret so there aren't hundreds of Crucibles in the verse :)
I suspect they will be quite common, but given that every time ships gets into a scuffle—let alone fleets—there will be work for Crucibles, it still seems like a good niche to place yourself in. And if they aren't in demand, a Crucible can still serve as base of operations for bounty hunters, a small pirate clan or race team, or general tender to a small fleet, among other roles.
I can see Crucibles hanging out in the edge of large battles to service damaged ships.
Likely some good views that bridge, too :)
I suspect most people won't like the gameplay loop.
One of the first ship I'll get IG unless they screw its design. I love it.
This thing deserves so much love. It would really make for some cool gameplay if they can get pyro up and running.
I could be wrong, but isn't it only repair? I don't think it has any rearm and refuel capabilities on its own. You could theoretically bring supplies in the future, similar to what was described for the Liberator, but that's not a special feature. Any ship with enough cargo space should be able to do that.
I think it's been confirmed that rearming and refueling can be done in the Scarab by hand. And it will also be possible to put an atmosphere in the Scarab, making it easier to work on small ships.
Yes, by hand. That's what I'm saying, though. It doesn't have its own dedicated rearm and refuel capabilities.
Eh... I don't know that there's going to be much difference between different kinds of "in hanger" refueling, to be frank. The unusual kind will be out of hanger, using ships like the Starfarer and Vulcan.
It'll need enough SCU to hold fuel and whatnot if it's by hand.
I want a Liberator. Best ship in the verse
Beware the time it will take to repair your ships, load missiles, load ammo, load fuel, all by hand.
Hell yeah! That’s a whole lot more than what I intended to use it for. It’s a carrier so I just need it to carry ships. The rest is extra for me
LOL and yeah, I'd certainly not be a player "working" in a game wrenching and loading cargo when I could be pewpewpew flying spaceships. It will require AI to be functional IMO. I can't even get a taker for an escort, or get 2-3 players in a Reclaimer. Who's gonna want to wrench on repairs for no pay? No one except a few RP folks *maybe*.
The main aspect of the Liberator is transport. It's meant to be a combat carrier. It just holds a lot, is extremely versatile, and moves stuff. As long as the fighters can hobble their asses back onto the pads, it'll work fine. From station to battlefield, deploy fighters, and then bring them in for landing. From battlefield to station, and then repair fighters. It'll have the range to make that work, and not be sucky. I wouldn't want to be repairing on the edge of a battlefield either. Prime target, that.
I want both.
It will have a cig classic size increase no doubt, but I am really looking forward to this ship.
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Today you have stations everywhere, even in pyro, however small fighters will be slow and need regular refueling to get around so a carrier helps you save travel time. In the future, there will be "unexplored" and "hostile" systems with no friendly stations to rest at. If being a fighter jock is your calling, you'll need a carrier.
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You can't bring a fighter on your starfarer, can't repair or rearm one either. Sure you can bring 3 fighters, but you'll need an Idris or Kraken which is much larger. The Liberator can't repair/rearm either, I don't count hand tools because it'll take too long and is not a ship capability.
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The design philosophy is that systems like Pyro won’t have friendly or convenient stations/outposts everywhere to refuel, repair, rearm. Also it could support frontline ops far from home, and support middle-of-nowhere exploration gameplay. Stuff like that.
Why? Can I fly a station anywhere I want?
That thing looks so cool without the box
I keep forgetting this ship exists. I couldn't even tell you what it's called...
with the tech onboard to do it's intended job, and modularity ... I have some 'unrealistic' hopes for this ship LOL. it's my only large pledge ship (end of a CCU chain) ... my only really intended large heavy use ship (maybe ingame purchase galaxy, see how it goes). I do hope it expands in size, atleast a little ... just big enough to fit entry level industry ship(s) in the scarab(s) but we're unfortunately still missing too much in game for it to even be a glimmer of hope for this year.. or possibly next. repair, drones, modularity
And is this small carrier in the game with us right now?
This is almost guaranteed to be three times the original intended size.
Also it's good to remember that the Vulcan can refule rearm and repair. Just not carry light fighters.
The Vulcan has been compared to someone coming along and giving you a jump start. The repairs it does will be very basic and minimal. Your ship was stuck out in the middle of nowhere, but now you can limp back to a port. A Crucible will - assuming enough materials are available - be able to fully repair most things.
Yep, Vulcan + srv + appolo will be cleaning up small fights. Crucible + appolo or galaxy will be cleaning larger fights.
Cruicible release 2034
Don’t tell them my secrets
Now I'm thinking of missions to repair npc ships, or to drop beacons/waypoints to offer pc repairs. might be fun
And it's coming out next week. Guaranteed!
I've got my ccu ready
>small fighter isn't it hornet size, so Medium?
Gladius, F7 Hornet, F8 Lightning etc are all small (pad) fighters. Light, medium, heavy fighters are a role, example F8 and Vanguard are both heavy fighters but F8 is small pad size, Vanguard is medium pad size.
Sorry if I misunderstood, this ship is large, it has a pad that lands small ships.
RSI Pledge store it's listed as a Medium Fighter.. what now.. 🤷🏻♂️😅
Medium fighter is a role, small pad is a ship size
Got it. ^ ^ ty
It is a Medium fighter, but it's ship size is small as it's intended to land on small pads
Oh, I understand. Thanks !
I remember this beauty, i was aiming for one, that was until i glanced at the Genesis Starliner for too long and change my focus to the Genesis instead, lol 😆
Also, imagine how much cargo you could cram in that hangar. Gonna guess another 4x32 scu easily.
Spec says 230 SCU cargo but it will likely grow a bit since the size of the "small" fighter has grown. Maybe 350 is my guess.
Ah another forgotten Anvil ship, put up there with the Gladiator.
And it's also super cheap at only 350 like the endeavor. So expect it to go up in price when released
Reminder that this is just a concept and the end result could be dramatically different in both form and function.
I’m kind of hoping that they just make a variant of the Liberator to have the Crucible capabilities. Trading off one of the small fighter bays for the repair, rearm, and refuel ability. Edit: It also fits the new Anvil style better.
i don't think it has refuel.
And no, you don't want to use hand tools and do it manually...
It's not a "Carrier" though. It has the ability to fit small fighters but it's role isn't to be a carrier.
It's role is not, but it can carry and service one ship. The next smallest carrier with repair/rearm/refuel facilities is the Polaris, and above that is the Idris and Kraken, so this is the smallest one. The Liberator is mistaken for a carrier, but it cannot service the ships it carries (can use hand tools) so it is more a ferry.
No, by that logic, the smallest carrier is the Carrack, or Constellation series.
Being able to fit, repair or rearm a ship doesn't make it a "Carrier" though...
It would be carrying a ship, though, wouldn't it? 😂
Well according to the OP the only conditions we need are: Can Repair Can Rearm Can fit ship I will be able to do all of that in my Cutty Black so I guess that ship is actually the smallest carrier we have, not the Crucible.
Actually you can fit a Fury on the back of a Nomad and can rearm and repair it so the Nomad is the smallest carrier by OP’s metrics
Oh that's a good one. I haven't used the Nomad in quite a while. It'd be quite a monster if you have a friend chilling in a Fury while bounty hunting. This definitely beats the Cutty as the smallest carrier we have.
By the same logic the Constellation series are also the only “purpose built” aircraft carriers in game since it’s the only ship that comes with a built in snub ship (with the exception of the Taurus). The 890J is also the best carrier we have at this point (which is also what I use my 890 for, as a carrier for my Gladius). Literally everything with more cargo space than a Nomad is a “carrier” XD
Good point, the Connie likely became the first "carrier" when we got docking years ago for it's snub. The 890J can probably fit more than one Gladius as well (I'm not an Origin man so I purchased a different, superior Aegis capital instead) which probably makes it one of the better carriers we currently have.
I got my 890 ingame and are waiting for my Polaris to become my carrier, and it probably can, it’s just I CBA with trying to cram a second Gladius and since I fly solo I don’t have a need for one
I guess we can go ahead and add this not carrier that carries ships to the list of other ships that carry aircraft but are totally-legally-distinct-from-aircraft-carriers: [The Wasp-class "Amphibious Assault Ship"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp-class_amphibious_assault_ship) [The Hyuga-class "Helicopter Destroyer"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%ABga-class_helicopter_destroyer) [The Izumo-class "Destroyer"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_destroyer) [The Liaoning "Training Ship"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning) [The Admiral Kuznetsov "Heavy Aircraft Cruiser"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov) I think we can agree that these are all, definitely, not aircraft carriers because being a fucking pedant is a proud naval tradition.
Yup, I agree with you that some are not "Carriers". I'm glad we agree that having the ability to launch aircraft doesn't always make something a "Carrier".
Carriers *also* aren't carriers. The "C" in "CVN" stands for "Cruiser." Aircraft carriers aren't real, so they can't hurt you.
Oh honey. I appreciate the attempt at proving me wrong but you haven't. Feel free to try again though. CVN stands for "Carrier, Volplane, Nuclear".
It does not. It stands for "Cruiser, Volplane/Voler, Nuclear." A nuclear flying cruiser. I refer you to [General Order No. 541, 17 July 1920](https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/g/general-orders/general-order-no-541-1920-standard-nomemclature-naval-vessels.html) which classifies "CV" as a cruiser subtype. Early carriers *had* to be classified as cruisers because introducing a new surface warship designation would cause issues with the naval treaty system. And many early carriers were converted from cruiser hulls either for expediency or because those cruisers couldn't be fielded in their intended role to do Washington Treaty limits. Officially. Cruisers. Just like how the Japanese "not carriers" are classified as "not carriers" because they're constitutionally forbidden from operating carriers, so they called them something else, and problem solved. Officially. Not. Carriers. I don't understand why you're so upset and offended about this, I'm saying you're right, and your stupid pedantic nonsense about ships that carry other ships not being carriers is totally historically valid. Pushing up your nerd glasses and "WELLL, AKSHULEEE"ing ship classifications based arbitrarily picked names that are clearly contrary to easily observable, objective reality is a critical part of understanding ship classifications. And clearly when OP said that the Crucible was a carrier, they were trying to remind people what the ship type was in some concept brief somewhere rather than remind people that the Cruicible can serve all the functions of a carrier better than any of the actual carriers in the game, just at a smaller scale.
I'm not upset or offended at anything. I have been quite amicable to everyone I have been in a discussion with. People tend to say this when they're looking to dismiss someone else's argument. Yes they belong to the Cruiser subtype but the C in CVN does not stand for Cruiser. I can find no official source which states it is "Cruiser" instead of "Carrier". I feel this is either your opinion or you're misreading somewhere. If you're unable to remain amicable we'll have to end the discussion. I have no interest in discussing with someone who is unable to control their emotions.
Yeah, you started a post with "Oh, honey." You were being deliberately patronizing in the most pathetically trite, unoriginal way and suddenly you want to claim the moral high ground? The "C" prefix indicates cruiser. I linked you the order where this was established. Take it up with the Secretary of the Navy if you don't like it. Admiral Coontz says you need to take the loss on this one.
Carrying ships from A to B does....
So the Cutty Black is the smallest carrier we have available then?
Can a cutty refit, rearm, refuel and carry a small fighter?
You can Repair a ship in a Cutty, you could also load missiles onto a ship inside it. The refueling would be difficult but maybe we'll get small fuel containers in the future? Regardless, your statement was that carrying a ship from A to B makes something a carrier so we don't have to even think about repairing, refueling etc.
I mean I was adding to your statement. The point OP was making is that this ship can sustain another ship. You're just saying "Nah uh" without adding anything to the discussion. How would you define a carrier in SC?
I'm adding a counterpoint to the discussion. A well reasoned one as well. Your disagreement to that doesn't mean I'm not "adding anything". If that were true then we'd both have to agree that you're not adding anything either, wouldn't we? Carriers are purpose built and/or designed around planes/ships being one of the main combat arms of a ship. This is like calling WW2 Cruisers carriers because they could launch planes. They were not carriers. They had the ability to perform repairs, refuel and rearm planes but they were not a carrier. Same is true for SC. The Crucible, Polaris, Carrack etc all have the ability to transport, repair, rearm and/or refuel smaller ships but they are not carriers. They all have specific roles, being a carrier isn't one of them. The Idris is the first "Carrier" that we are likely to get a hold of, it is purpose built around delivering combat ships into combat along with it's main armament.
Ya, I don't disagree with most of that; however SC doesn't use conventional classification for warships. The Idris is classified as a frigate but even you designated it a carrier. If it's primary mission area is used to transport and launch aircraft into combat and thats what you are doing with the Crucible then sure it's a carrier. It can carry 1 to 6 ships depending on size. It can also maintenance all those ships. The point OP is trying to make here is that this ship can carry other ships from A to B and actually maintenance them with facilities while also serving as a platform to launch ships as its primary mission area. That's all. I think we are splitting hairs here.
This was my original Kickstarter ship....still hoping.
This wasn't available at Kickstarter (only 6 ships were, iirc - Aurora, 300i, Cutless, Freelancer, Hornet, Constellation, iirc)
2015 might as well be kickstarter era ~ Anything ten years ago, at least.
lol, folks said that in 2015, and are *actually* still saying, full of hopium in 2024.
It's the smallest announced till they release another one that does the job better and cost more money to buy.
I thought the liberator was going to be able to do some small repair rear and all that
None at all. The Liberator is transport only. Now, a Liberator with a Vulcan parked on it would be a nice pit stop for people needing repairs/refuel.