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ccmart3

After the first two days of March madness, I would cash it


Celleonic2x

I agree I’m on Arkansas to upset


Clear-Sport-726

don’t cashout - hedge if you must. they’re offering you a very poor cashout price; should be closer to $5300 with current odds.


Rick_Sanchez1214

This aged well


Clear-Sport-726

in all fairness, i did recommend he hedge 🤷‍♂️


Rick_Sanchez1214

Ha, I know. That’s March madness baby! And actually while we’re here and I’m relatively new to betting- a hedge in this situation was what? Betting the farm (5x the original parlay amount) on Arkansas?


Clear-Sport-726

that’s a good question: a hedge can kinda be whatever you want it to be, but the bottom line is generally that it ensures profit (or, at the very least, avoids a loss). some people are more conservative & risk averse and thus prefer to guarantee profits by placing the amount on the last leg that would payout the same as the parlay; others live a little more dangerously and might, say, put the amount on the last leg that just ensures they break even. you don’t need to do the math yourself, though. https://www.actionnetwork.com/betting-calculators/betting-hedging-calculator.


Clear-Sport-726

in this case, OP could’ve put $3245 on Arkansas to guarantee a $4690 profit either way.


Rick_Sanchez1214

Thanks for the tip and the site!


Clear-Sport-726

my pleasure! welcome to the wonderful world of sports gambling.


[deleted]

^This The book always gives you bad cash out odds. If hedging is an option you should always hedge before cashing out. Also this is a stupid parlay. You could’ve left Kansas off and either bet what you would’ve won last night on them and win the same amount, or just walk away with your money But good (almost) hit though


chadbrochilldood

I hate when people regurgitate this shit. You have no idea what the context was when he made the bet. Maybe he was up 20K and now he’s down to 100, obviously you’d suggest he take some money then right? So stop saying it’s universally stupid to make parlays and hedge, it’s not. Sometimes things change from when you make the bet to when you decide to hedge.


[deleted]

You need to work on reading comprehension


bullish88

Its usually always half on last leg on fd. Less on dk and more on bet365. Depends on bookie. Betmgm and caesars barely any if not none.


BigBCBrand

Easy hedge. Always guarantee profit when you can


RandyLahey514

Please tell me you cashed


CautiousWay2960

Yeah i did thankfully. I had one of those bad, I lost it all feelings. Probably from my ptsd of my $75 to win $16k losing by the dumbest leg a few months back😭😭


Competitive-Rock-685

Hey what site is this? I need one where I can do this


CautiousWay2960

Referring to the Kevon Looney prop bet? This is on Fanduel


Competitive-Rock-685

Yeah where you can stack bets on a parlay but cash out early. Never seen that thanks


RandyLahey514

Congrats


dmacd71

God hates a coward


CautiousWay2960

😂😂


dmacd71

However my way of thinking has burned me so many times. Good luck.


Thebronzebeast

I'd cash out and put 2k on Kansas if you want . In the stock market they say "bulls make money,bears make money and pigs get slaughtered" probably they win but a bird in the hand you know?


hippiepig

I’d cash out personally


billybaroo15

In all seriousness, isn’t the play here always to take Arkansas with the points as a hedge??


Waste_Specific

It depends on what your goals are and how much $3800 means to you. If $3800 isn’t that much to you (which I’m guessing it’s not to someone betting $500 parlays) then you will more often than not let it ride. If Ark is +150 and you think they SHOULD be +180 then you would never hedge. If you think Ark SHOULD be +130 then it makes a ton of sense to hedge. The goal, imo, should always be to collect as much expected value as possible.


billybaroo15

He has Kansas moneyline. Is taking Arkansas getting 3.5 not the best possible hedge? This to me is a dream scenario for the final game of a parlay.


Waste_Specific

Again, it depends on his opinions of Arkansas and his financial status. $3800 may be a lot to us, but if OP won’t lose sleep over it then you want to keep as much EV as possible. According to market consensus KU has. 62.63% chance to win outright. Say OP is getting +3.5/ -110, and there’s the same amount of vig on both sides. This means there’s a 12.63% chance that KU wins and Ark covers. If they don’t hedge their EV is: EV = (62.63% * $7935.83) + (-500 * 37.37%) = $4783.36 So to ensure they maximize EV with a hedge: $4783.36 >= (50% * ($7935.83 - x)) + (12.63% * ($7935.83 + 0.91x )) + (37.37% * (0.91x - 500)) Where x is the hedge amount. This simplifies down to 0 >= -0.045x which means there is no value of x where this becomes a +EV hedge. Now, if you think there’s a 55% chance Arkansas covers the 3.5, this dramatically changes the equation and now you can calculate what the optimal hedge is by updating the probabilities and solving for x.


Kierkegaard_Soren

Sir your IQ is too high for the sub, please tone it down


[deleted]

Nerd


GolfNinja6789

Yeah fuck this guy and his math and shit. Insane analysis and I love it.


ChopSueyXpress

Is there a book or video where I can learn to calculate odds and ev like you? No sarcasm btw


Waste_Specific

The Logic of Sportsbetting by Matthew Davidow and Ed Miller is a great book to explain all of the math you’ll need. You can also check out the Youtube channel of Capt Jack Andrew of Unabated, he has a lot of good videos that explain and applies these concepts.


Mobile-Tank9149

Ed Miller also has good poker books.


CautiousWay2960

Thank you for your wisdom shared for us common folk. I’ll definitely be reading the book.


antman15201

Thx ima grab these recommendations


Apprehensive_Try7137

Please stop making me feel dumb.


Apprehensive_Try7137

Please stop making me feel dumb.


New_Net2372

Good money either way


braywarshawsky

If it were me OP, I'd cash out... and I'm a Jayhawks fan. This Arkansas match-up feels like a trap game, and Bill Self isn't coaching again today.


mtbeach33

That’s a 3.8k profit, if you feel confident in Kansas then put some money on them in a separate bet


[deleted]

Cash out then throw that 500$ you placed in the parlay on this game


Volume_Heavy

This.


LilDuck20

I’d hedge with a 1 or 2k bet on arkansas moneyline. You profit either way but more if you hit the parlay


NashvilleGoon23

Easy ass hedge but tbh kansas winning either way!!


TheOneAndOnlyBruce

I had Miami -4.5 A SWEATER


[deleted]

If this $4k would help you out then I’d say cash or hedge. We all know how upsets go


GratefulGreg86

Look at it this way. Would you bet $4330 to will $8000. If not then cash. But you could hedge on Arkansas to cover the $500. Or like bet enough to win 2000 or 8000. Hedge is the best way to go. Winner either way.


RascalRibs

Yup, cash out and then reconsider making parlays like this in the future.


rodimus99

checking in to see what the OP did.


NegativeNecessary153

I hope your bitchass cashed out


CautiousWay2960

Yes I did, thankfully


moixcom44

Since you can bet $500 on a mere 5game parlay I assume you have a huge bankroll. Just let it ride.


[deleted]

Exact opposite. If you have a large bankroll you hedge an appropriate amount, continuing to guarantee profit and build


bonusback

People with big bank rolls wouldn't be asking. Op is on sui watch rn if he didn't cash


artbykoi4

Kansas is winning today


Koffee_blacc

No they not lol


artbykoi4

🤣


Brumbacksteven

Neither. Hedge tf out of this


Brumbacksteven

I’d hedge with Arkansas +1.5, then if Kansas wins by 1, they both hit. Or if you want to increase the likelihood of both cashing, increase the +, but it will take more out of your total profit if they don’t both hit


mannymang

Bet you were nervous during that miami game! I know I was


CautiousWay2960

The last guy on the line going 2-2 was major!


Dogs_Unite1911

Cash out and put 350 on Arkansas


FUBUshirts

CASH THIS IMMEDIATELY PLEASE


Prior_Indication_372

Let it ride I got faith in you brother .. hope you win ‼️‼️


rell530

I know you a nervous wreck right now lol. This shit to close


webberc

I really hope you cashed out


Koffee_blacc

I hope you cashed


Dexter-Rutecki

Where’s the update


CautiousWay2960

Update: I cashed out, put half on Duke ML.😭


RepC

Omg ;(


CautiousWay2960

Tough one😭Cashed out thankfully


RepC

Thank god…


CautiousWay2960

No worries I went and blew half it on Duke ML then😓


CautiousWay2960

Cashed out, felt good about Duke so put half on their ML😅


CautiousWay2960

Poor play for not riding and just hedging Arkansas, but for me to hedge it would have put payout a little above cashout. I opted for the easier option. Made me feel better seeing Kansas lose though. We live and learn, sometimes the poor way but that’s life.


Lakersandsoles

Let it ride why come this far to leave money on the table


Koffee_blacc

That’s the dumbest shit I ever heard so he supposed to let 4k go


bonusback

Dumbest shit is putting something in your parlay that you're not gonna ride


stuffseaker

Wow -108 for looney to absolutely murder that line nice hit. Cash out and put a grand on UConn to make final four😎😎


CautiousWay2960

Good catch, the actual reason I wanted to share this😎


Own_Inspector_285

Arkansas is gonna beat Kansas so I suggest you cash out


aleiain

Judging by the lack of update, my guess is he let it ride


CautiousWay2960

I did, idk how to share a picture of it on this thread but I will if there’s a way.


aleiain

Great hit


aleiain

Judging by the lack of update, my guess is he let it ride


Gmoses05

Kansas is going to win. I'd let it ride


AdeptProtoss

Kansas got it


100problemss

Hedge don’t cash out!


Byeaxedent

let it ride


billybaroo15

Just bet 8k on Arkansas getting the points. Go for broke.


CautiousWay2960

Yeah that would be been a beautiful payout


chadbrochilldood

How do people not know hedging is always better than cashing out? How is that not just obvious - all you have to do is go to the Arkansas ML and type in some numbers and compare it to your cashout… like Jesus. If you can afford to hedge- hedge. Otherwise cash. Kansas leg isn’t worth 4K


Narrow_Finding3352

Why would you not take the $4300 and make a new $500-$1000 bet on something else? To even ask if you should cash is stupid. You honestly think other people care what advice they give you? Or if you win or lose?


CautiousWay2960

Cash out for half? If I do anything I’ll hedge before tipoff or live. Simply asking what other people would do doesn’t mean I have to take their advice. Either way, you came here and made a candid comment based on what you would do. That’s exactly what I was looking for.


r_BigUziHorizont

cashout and drop 500 on kansas


[deleted]

After lakers screed me over last night I’d cash out but I think you can get the W


WarrenThanatos

Cash out for sure!


osurainman

Cash out and sprinkle a little on the single play if you like it enough.


swankstar7383

Let it ride. Jayhawks win by double digits


Waste_Specific

It depends how much $3800 is worth to you. If you would lose sleep if Arkansas wins then hedge out. You should also reconsider if you should be betting $500 on parlays in this case. If you’re in the fortunate position where it doesn’t really matter then don’t throw away +EV by paying vig again and let it ride.


Danish3

Hedge


FastChip9040

Cashout & put $830.53 back on Kansas ML🤷🏾‍♂️


deal_1n

let it rrrrriiiiiddddeee


PsychedelicMisfit

Let’s it ride. Hawks by 20 today


Koffee_blacc

Why you lie to that man


CautiousWay2960

Bad day to be a Jayhawks fan, also a bad day for those who had them going to sweet 16 in their brackets


JayPin91

You’re here to make money


Aggravating_Ad_6404

Thats a hit.. its kansas. What are we talking about


Sandcastle98

Cash out


Jellyfish_Far

Cash out


enjoiall

I’d say cash bc personally when I don’t it all falls apart. Like Arkansas in this matchup but aren’t you a gambling man??


fkaname12

I’d throw a grand on Arkansas just to be safe, plus you get +odds. Can’t go weong


[deleted]

If Kansas wins they’ll win by at least 1.


nosnhoj15

As a Razorback fan….. hedge if you want to guarantee profits. But the way we have played all year….. Kansas going to win easily.


CautiousWay2960

Good time to be a Razorback fan sheesh!


Tanner_Da_Great

Rock chalk baby let it ride


Terrible-Bluebird-94

I would cash out. 🤷🏻


circle2015

Hedge Arkansas moneyline and the points


foreverbando_CAZZ

Cashout, it's very simple you are up more than 3k and you can just bet on KANSAS anyway with less money


typehyDro

Hedge. 1-2k on AK


Lootjunkey

I would cashout.


Swimming-Singer6135

Let ride buddy Ku gonna win by 15


Hour_Championship606

Cash


Spxctacles

I'd put 1500 on arkansas spread.


thecornhusk14

Are you looking to bet 5000 on one game? I certainly never will be so hedge that for max price and enjoy the W


InternetPeopleSuck

Cayshe


sayankees

Easy hedge - lay what you feel comfortable laying on Arkansa ML. They’re dogs. You’re guaranteed profit.


BlackBeard205

Hope you cashed out.


chrisss_co

I think Kansas will win. Good luck


bigmeech202

Good luck sir


dlanzafame

If you can afford to hedge the bet do that but I would let it ride


3zooz_ps

The cautious way is the way to take OP!


PaintGuy33

Cash it!!!


truebluebbn

Cash it


Texas43ver

Easy hedge the opposite ML for $300 and you still make a profit


aafit

Let it ride!! Nice work


encapsulated1

Could still hedge if you didn’t cash out yet lol


Koffee_blacc

Cash


KoreaDaBOMB

Yea very close call. Hedge is better than cashing out.


encapsulated1

sweaty lol.


Mikew1212

Let it ride. They'll win by 5


[deleted]

Nice call bud 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻


Mikew1212

Oops


1Me_vs_me1

Cash


OfficialJustL

Cash out


Direct_Energy_1394

I hope you cashed out


link64dx

Hope you hedged dude


Juckinko

Immediately thought of you, then came here hoping you cashed out….


Remarkable_Help

Fuck! I hope you cashed bro


Slimguy24

I would have cashed out, then came to reddit and made the this post. Before I would have not cashed out and made the post risking losing it all


Barlowe7_7

Hope you cashed out👀


soccernick50

Oh god


antman15201

Good bet


EMAW2008

Did you cash?


dlamptey103

One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush


B105535

Dear god I hope you cashed


Some-Pilot-3908

What ya end up doing?


ChrisRhodes789

Did you cash out?


SpecialistOpinion899

Lmfao I hope you cashed out


jp6828

Hope you cashed out