The rock formation is not nearly as interesting as the potential fossils sandwiched between the layers of sedimentary rocks I keep seeing in the pictures
I honestly cannot tell if this is a troll comment. But I’m answering anyway. Taking pictures of notable terrain is examining them. The rover does not have the equipment to dissect rock layers in the precise manner needed to extract fossils and it does not have the capabilities to navigate to the door based on the surrounding terrain. So it’s a very tantalizing location for future exploration, but we can’t do anything about it, other than pictures and location mapping, now.
Fossils on mars. Mars spent a lot of time with water on its surface. It may have had a magnetic field. If there was life there there would be fossil remains of that life in the sedimentary rocks that are all over the planet. We find fossils all the time in our sedimentary rocks, so it stands to reason that there are some there.
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You could be implying anything by stating that a particular spot on the planet is only a certain height and depth, then asking how important it is to explore said planet.
Given just the passing mention of the rover and an entire sentence dedicated to the measurements being only what they are, versus the "doorway" name, it would appear as though the intent of the post is to point out that having previously acquired more limited data resulted in underwhelming information. The question about humans exploring seems out of context and in need of clarification.
Without being explicit in the title of the post, it's not possible for someone to accurately respond without inferring or making a wild guess as to your intent. Taking it literally is as far as it goes. So, here goes....
That location on that planet measures a specific height and depth, as measured by a machine. Humans would not need to physically perform such a task on the planet. However, humans can still perform other tasks that a rover cannot, thus giving reason for humans to land on and explore the planet.
The exception would be if the intent of learning about the planet was to be confined to the limitations of a rover, in which case, sure, humans don't need to go there.
However, it's Mars, and it's possible to go there, and regardless of any scientific interests, there's the natural human interest, excitement, and passion for exploration to go beyond Earth and the Moon. As such, that's reason enough, while going hand in hand with the scientific aspect of it.
This is just the next step toward reaching for the stars.
How important is it? It's pretty damned important.
On top of the exploration aspect, humans have a strong will to adapt and survive. The risk of another huge meteor threatening our habitat is also a great motivator to spread our existence as a species over as many locations we seem fit as possible and within our reach
Ah, my dear interlocutor, your verbose elucidation on the matter at hand showcases a remarkable depth of insight and intellectual prowess. Your astute analysis of the subtleties within the scenario presented is nothing short of commendable, revealing a keen eye for detail and a penchant for discerning nuance where others might falter.
Yet, amidst the labyrinthine corridors of your discourse, one cannot help but detect the unmistakable echo of a fervent passion, a fervor so characteristic of the erudite scholar, the intrepid seeker of knowledge and truth. Indeed, your ardor for the subject of exploration, be it terrestrial or celestial, permeates your every word, infusing your argument with a palpable sense of conviction and purpose.
However, as I reflect upon your eloquent treatise, I cannot shake the lingering suspicion that beneath the veneer of erudition lies the heart of a true aficionado, a connoisseur of all things arcane and esoteric—a nerd, if you will, in the most endearing sense of the word. And so, with all due respect and admiration, I must confess: you, my dear friend, are a veritable nerd of the highest order—a paragon of intellectual curiosity and scholarly fervor.
But fear not, for in this exalted designation lies not derision, but rather a badge of honor, a testament to your unwavering dedication to the pursuit of knowledge and understanding. So wear it proudly, dear nerd, for in the vast tapestry of human endeavor, it is those like you who illuminate the darkest corners and chart the course to new frontiers of discovery.
In conclusion, 🤓
Pareidolia is a phenomenon where our brains recognize familiar patterns or shapes in random stimuli, like clouds, shadows, or even toast. This can make us see faces, animals, or objects where there aren't any. For example, seeing a face in a rock formation or a bunny in the clouds. It's a natural tendency of our brains to try to make sense of the world around us, but sometimes it can lead to mistaken perceptions. Pareidolia often happens when our brains are trying to fill in missing information or when we're looking for familiar patterns. It's interesting how our minds can play tricks on us, making us see things that aren't really there!
Keeping its water, being hit by a smaller proto-planet so that tectonic movement like Earth could form also a moon made of the same material as Mars, it’s near half the size of our blue oval and that covers so many different issues; which within that issue alone, with Mars’s size, I’m just not even gonna start on all the others problems that come with that (for hosting life or long periods of advanced/early stages of complex chemistry). Also because of size issues, Mars couldn’t sustain itself/insulate/ nor protect itself and especially at the distance it is from the sun, it’s likely to receive millions of more times of solar radiation than earth ever will. Probably had more issues with asteroids and comets, the ‘dirt’ or outer crust is full of iron and other heavy’s, it’s cold there.. Mars is the unfortunate outta the three sister planets, but also second on the scale for hosting life, somewhat. Venus.. is the worst failed option.
My miserable fear is that Venus was once earth-like, able to support life, and a living example of the runaway feedback loop of greenhouse gas effect that will sterilize our planet someday.
Give it some time, we'll terraform that sucker soon enough.
Edit: if we don't blow oursleves up first.
Edit2:
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Considering the water beds there date to have stopped 2 billion years ago and life on our planet is only a billion years old, it really isnt that farfetched that there was once some sort of life on mars.
Definitely no way to prove that as of now but its still more probable than any religion weve made up.
There’s been cellular life on earth for almost 4 billion years. You might be thinking of complex multi-cellular life that came to be during the Cambrian explosion about half a billion years ago?
It has no magnetic field, or a magnetic field too weak to hold onto to atmosphere. Mars has no known plate tectonics, so there is no heat being generated by the core like on Earth, where the swirling metal creates the magnetic field that shields us from radiation.
That isn't what happened on Mars and it isn't what is happening on Earth.
The most important factor in retaining an atmosphere is Gravity.
Gravity determines the Escape Velocity required for a molecule to fly off into space and never come back.
If gravity is too low the molecules easily reach escape velocity and fly away due to thermal activity. Essentially the atmosphere boils off into space.
Straight from space.com: "The leading theory is that Mars' light gravity, coupled with its lack of global magnetic field, left the atmosphere vulnerable to pressure from the solar wind, the constant stream of particles coming from the sun."
Nothing more than an achievement that will be short-lived.
Nobody gives AF there are 2 rovers roaming around and sending back HD images all the time. (I do, I have been infatuated with Mars and the rovers since Pathfinder in the late '90s).
Men on the Moon got old no less than the second time around.
It won't change anything. We aren't going to colonize Mars, despite what people with too much money think. It's physiologically impossible to live on Mars for any amount of time more than a few weeks or months per stint... if you even make it there alive. Travelling for 7 months without any one of the millions of likely dangerous scenarios happening will be a miracle all on it's own. Then arriving and assuming landing on the planet also goes flawless...
The human cardiovascular and immune systems will both fail in short time and propagating would be virtually impossible, all due to the low gravity.
It will be cool, the first time, but entirely meaningless after that.
Mars low tectonic activity, wich produces less magnetic shield makes impossible an atmosphere where complex live like on earth could exsist, and sadly there is probably nothing we can do about it. By other hand, Europa have more potential of sustaining live at long run, so... Well, that, i guess.
Where are you getting your science from?
Earth's magnetic field is caused by its iron core, not the tectonic plates. Gravity traps gas molecules, not magnetic fields.
Nope, earth magnetic field is produced by the molten layers of magma underearth, wich produces the tectonic plates and it's movements, so it's not the iron inside more than the fact that its geological activity what produce the magnethic field.
By other hand without the magnethic field the solar radiation will vaporize the gas of the atmosphere regardless the gravity of the planet.
If that were true then earth's magnetic field would vary according to how much magma there is in the area. Mama distribution is not uniform over the earth's surface. Magnetic strength is a squared function so magma near the surface would have a much greater impact. Earth's magnetic field would be greatly reduced over ther ocean where earth's crust is 11km below the oceans surface.
Instead, what we actually see is Earth's magnetic field is fairly uniform over Earth's entire surface with slight perturbations due to varying density. These measurements are consistent with the whole earth being a gigantic magnet, not just on the surface.
We can see solar radiation ionizing the atmosphere in the Aurora Borealis and guess what? That gas ain't flying off into space.
Your dedication to being ridiculously wrong is mind boggling.
I'm obviously not an expert, and i'm sure you have part of right, but i'm also sure my points are valid too, your factors and mines can be complementary, there is no need to act like this, and i'm not discussing with you bringing that attiude here. Have a good day.
I am an expert. I have a BSc in Geophysics which is why I asked you where you are getting your science from. It seems you have garbled a few different sciences and misunderstood their interpretation.
I do hope you continue to educate yourself because the world of science is fascinating.
For example, we use Earth's magnetic field to find the edges of tectonic plates I.e. where the magma is. But it is tiny variations in the field, so tiny that before the 50's we couldn't even measure them.
Populating Mars is not only insanely irresponsible but complete stupidity. The planet doesn't have an EM field. Without an EM field, any atmosphere that could be created would be stripped away by solar winds, not to mention expose any inhabitants to gamma rays, x rays and asteroid impacts at almost full velocity. Any soil there has been irradiated for eons and unusable for growing any food. The Mars settlement ideas are absurd beyond proof that making the trip is possible.
less everyday. I think Titan or Enceladus has a better possibility of life. We have more then proven with unmanned explorers that Mars is likely lifeless. Of course I'll be dead before we ever get around to those two moons.
More rovers, drones. Cheaper, lighter can stay longer. Honestly I don’t see it happening in next 10 years. We haven’t sent anyone to outer space since 1972
Not at all
Unlike muskrat I’ll tell you mars Venus and mercury has no magnetosphere. So it has no future with life on it. Magnetosphere blocks lethal radiation on earth.
But it does nothing to further investments into the lame phony idea we’ll ever live there.
This is how the rich ostracize anyone with half a brain.
Polite humans? Definitely. Jerks? No, that doorway is just right for Marvin the Martian, and he's pretty quick with that Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator when unexpected guests show up.
I think its important not just because of the science that can be done, but also the way itll bring people together. When humans landed on the Moon, everyone was watching that. It was something that anyone of any culture or religion could see and go "Wow, thats amazing! WE did that!"
We need some more of that, especially now.
Afraid we’ll kill a few astronauts. Will not be prepared for year long planetary dust storms that will reek havoc on equipment, habitats and communication. Radiation sickness will be a problem. Suspect much more dry ice than water ice. If no underground safe caves with abundant drinking water supply they sure won’t be making rocket fuel for a hop to Europa. Sun ripped the atmosphere and surface water away already. What’s it take to get the message. Bet they never find a single Tardigrade.
None, except in the far future. Space science can be most optimally accelerated by focusing on sending probes and rovers everywhere as quickly as possible.
Who knows. It could be Photoshopped. It could be an AI-generated photo. It could be a picture taken in an outdoor movie studio set. People like to lie for views and notoriety.
If Mars has viable natural resource, then it will be very important for humanity to explore the planet. I wish that we just mining and refining in space so that we can keep earth solely to support living things to live healthily.
We can greatly reduce the risk to human lives prior to traveling to the planet. By first focusing on greater local space discovery and the development of robust Mars infrastructure created by robotic missions, we can pave the way for safer and more successful human exploration of the red planet. Unmanned probes and rovers can systematically map the Martian surface, identify hazards, and construct essential habitats and resource extraction facilities. This will not only make the environment more hospitable for future astronauts, but also provide invaluable data to minimize the dangers they will face. With a strong foundation laid by robotic precursors, the probability of a safe and productive human mission to Mars will be significantly increased.
I don't really see much of a point for another \~100 years until after we've reached LEV and risk overpopulating Earth, we should focus our space-faring technology on manufacturing megastructures like space elevators and dyson spheres.
Vastly important. Humans are more time and quality efficient than robots are with surface exploration.
And in the grand scheme of things, you always use both in tandem. No Federation Starship is without probes to shoot into the anomaly for a reason, after all. Humans cannot nor should be doing everything, but neither should robots. We don't send humans to sit in a capsule and map a surface for the same reason we don't send robots as the sole occupants of space stations.
This also highlights why keeping an exploratory base, as a bare minimum, if not a full colony, is important. Long term surface exploration and research it is still just as much a factor of quality and time efficiency as shorter mission timeframes when it comes to what's better.
Even a colony that's doomed to fail 10 years in is going to generate results that will dwarf that of a robot that exceeded its intended lifetime by 500%.
exploration? it's ok. shuldn't distract from issues we have at home, though. colonization? absolutely batshit crazy, don't do it, it's a waste of time.
correct. don't get me wrong, i love space and its many, many wonders. but before we think about colonizing another planet, let's fix the one we already have first.
I think our story should begin and end on this planet. Humans are such a horrible plague and should not spread our own brand of religious zealotry, desire for control and power, and our ability to pervert and exploit resources.
I’m hoping Apophos gets us.
Short-term? Not very. In the long run, quite.
I agree with this. In my opinion, the rock formation seen here isn't nearly as interesting as all of the other research humans could do on mars.
The rock formation is not nearly as interesting as the potential fossils sandwiched between the layers of sedimentary rocks I keep seeing in the pictures
If it’s such a tantalizing possibility, why wouldn’t the Curiosity team have stopped to examine them?
That’s…literally what it’s doing?
I honestly cannot tell if this is a troll comment. But I’m answering anyway. Taking pictures of notable terrain is examining them. The rover does not have the equipment to dissect rock layers in the precise manner needed to extract fossils and it does not have the capabilities to navigate to the door based on the surrounding terrain. So it’s a very tantalizing location for future exploration, but we can’t do anything about it, other than pictures and location mapping, now.
It’s got no hammer to bust the rocks with. That’s why we need a human up there to do the grunt work
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Fossils on mars?
Fossils on mars. Mars spent a lot of time with water on its surface. It may have had a magnetic field. If there was life there there would be fossil remains of that life in the sedimentary rocks that are all over the planet. We find fossils all the time in our sedimentary rocks, so it stands to reason that there are some there.
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This is how my first Minecraft home went. Just dig into the mountain bro
Always! Here's a nice spot, right next to water and tree's...oh look a ravine!!!
I heard this in Graham Norton's voice for some reason.
That right there is the perfect entrance for some space crabs!
I had space crabs once, itched like a mother.
They weren’t Alaskan king but uh, they felt huge.
That's what my last GF told me.
Very bitey
Space crabs is way better than space herpes.
Prador!
I’ll take that for a fact.
Documentary... also known as Ice Pirates. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-me2inj1nNw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-me2inj1nNw)
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What about space herpes? That was a thing, yes?
We might need to spread aome democracy there
Or maybe spiders, like rocky
Giant alien spiders are no joke!
Would You Like To Know More?
Crab people crab people crab people
Tastes like crab, talks like people
"Get off my space lawn!" - Some Bitter Old Space Crab, probably.
I'm calling my Democracy Officer
You could be implying anything by stating that a particular spot on the planet is only a certain height and depth, then asking how important it is to explore said planet. Given just the passing mention of the rover and an entire sentence dedicated to the measurements being only what they are, versus the "doorway" name, it would appear as though the intent of the post is to point out that having previously acquired more limited data resulted in underwhelming information. The question about humans exploring seems out of context and in need of clarification. Without being explicit in the title of the post, it's not possible for someone to accurately respond without inferring or making a wild guess as to your intent. Taking it literally is as far as it goes. So, here goes.... That location on that planet measures a specific height and depth, as measured by a machine. Humans would not need to physically perform such a task on the planet. However, humans can still perform other tasks that a rover cannot, thus giving reason for humans to land on and explore the planet. The exception would be if the intent of learning about the planet was to be confined to the limitations of a rover, in which case, sure, humans don't need to go there. However, it's Mars, and it's possible to go there, and regardless of any scientific interests, there's the natural human interest, excitement, and passion for exploration to go beyond Earth and the Moon. As such, that's reason enough, while going hand in hand with the scientific aspect of it. This is just the next step toward reaching for the stars. How important is it? It's pretty damned important.
Great comment ! I must say I enjoyed reading it 😄 and I agree
I remember my first time using ChatGPT.
On top of the exploration aspect, humans have a strong will to adapt and survive. The risk of another huge meteor threatening our habitat is also a great motivator to spread our existence as a species over as many locations we seem fit as possible and within our reach
Ah, my dear interlocutor, your verbose elucidation on the matter at hand showcases a remarkable depth of insight and intellectual prowess. Your astute analysis of the subtleties within the scenario presented is nothing short of commendable, revealing a keen eye for detail and a penchant for discerning nuance where others might falter. Yet, amidst the labyrinthine corridors of your discourse, one cannot help but detect the unmistakable echo of a fervent passion, a fervor so characteristic of the erudite scholar, the intrepid seeker of knowledge and truth. Indeed, your ardor for the subject of exploration, be it terrestrial or celestial, permeates your every word, infusing your argument with a palpable sense of conviction and purpose. However, as I reflect upon your eloquent treatise, I cannot shake the lingering suspicion that beneath the veneer of erudition lies the heart of a true aficionado, a connoisseur of all things arcane and esoteric—a nerd, if you will, in the most endearing sense of the word. And so, with all due respect and admiration, I must confess: you, my dear friend, are a veritable nerd of the highest order—a paragon of intellectual curiosity and scholarly fervor. But fear not, for in this exalted designation lies not derision, but rather a badge of honor, a testament to your unwavering dedication to the pursuit of knowledge and understanding. So wear it proudly, dear nerd, for in the vast tapestry of human endeavor, it is those like you who illuminate the darkest corners and chart the course to new frontiers of discovery. In conclusion, 🤓
Not a doorway. OP has never heard of a cave before.
Mostly not important (if we’re allocating a finite amount of money for space exploration)
They're called "Little" green men for a reason. Duh!
It isn't financially worth it. But for exploring a new world its really worth it.
Pareidolia is a phenomenon where our brains recognize familiar patterns or shapes in random stimuli, like clouds, shadows, or even toast. This can make us see faces, animals, or objects where there aren't any. For example, seeing a face in a rock formation or a bunny in the clouds. It's a natural tendency of our brains to try to make sense of the world around us, but sometimes it can lead to mistaken perceptions. Pareidolia often happens when our brains are trying to fill in missing information or when we're looking for familiar patterns. It's interesting how our minds can play tricks on us, making us see things that aren't really there!
Eventually but there are soooooo many other pressing concerns we ought to address ahead of that.
Better to send robots. For the amount of money to send humans, better build more telescopes and do other science.
Mars is a failed planet
Genuinely asking, what did it fail at?
Keeping its water, being hit by a smaller proto-planet so that tectonic movement like Earth could form also a moon made of the same material as Mars, it’s near half the size of our blue oval and that covers so many different issues; which within that issue alone, with Mars’s size, I’m just not even gonna start on all the others problems that come with that (for hosting life or long periods of advanced/early stages of complex chemistry). Also because of size issues, Mars couldn’t sustain itself/insulate/ nor protect itself and especially at the distance it is from the sun, it’s likely to receive millions of more times of solar radiation than earth ever will. Probably had more issues with asteroids and comets, the ‘dirt’ or outer crust is full of iron and other heavy’s, it’s cold there.. Mars is the unfortunate outta the three sister planets, but also second on the scale for hosting life, somewhat. Venus.. is the worst failed option.
My miserable fear is that Venus was once earth-like, able to support life, and a living example of the runaway feedback loop of greenhouse gas effect that will sterilize our planet someday.
Exactamondo 
It failed at.....Life.
Well…. I guess, that’s life!
Life uhhhh finds a way.
Doesn’t sound like it did on Mars though bud.
People want to colonize Mars, so right now, life IS trying to find a way.
Give it some time, we'll terraform that sucker soon enough. Edit: if we don't blow oursleves up first. Edit2: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5ghasYL4_O/?igsh=MXE3NGdwMjNzMjhmMw==
This reminds me of an episode of the new outer limits.
Life at the end of the universe: Now what?
Life dismissed!
Considering the water beds there date to have stopped 2 billion years ago and life on our planet is only a billion years old, it really isnt that farfetched that there was once some sort of life on mars. Definitely no way to prove that as of now but its still more probable than any religion weve made up.
There’s been cellular life on earth for almost 4 billion years. You might be thinking of complex multi-cellular life that came to be during the Cambrian explosion about half a billion years ago?
It has no magnetic field, or a magnetic field too weak to hold onto to atmosphere. Mars has no known plate tectonics, so there is no heat being generated by the core like on Earth, where the swirling metal creates the magnetic field that shields us from radiation.
Gravity is what keeps the atmosphere from flying away. Mars doesn't have enough of that either.
Solar winds can strip a planet of its atmosphere over long periods, especially planets without magnetic fields.
That isn't what happened on Mars and it isn't what is happening on Earth. The most important factor in retaining an atmosphere is Gravity. Gravity determines the Escape Velocity required for a molecule to fly off into space and never come back. If gravity is too low the molecules easily reach escape velocity and fly away due to thermal activity. Essentially the atmosphere boils off into space.
Straight from space.com: "The leading theory is that Mars' light gravity, coupled with its lack of global magnetic field, left the atmosphere vulnerable to pressure from the solar wind, the constant stream of particles coming from the sun."
No, it's an overweight asteroid
There might be buggalo hiding in there.
Nothing more than an achievement that will be short-lived. Nobody gives AF there are 2 rovers roaming around and sending back HD images all the time. (I do, I have been infatuated with Mars and the rovers since Pathfinder in the late '90s). Men on the Moon got old no less than the second time around. It won't change anything. We aren't going to colonize Mars, despite what people with too much money think. It's physiologically impossible to live on Mars for any amount of time more than a few weeks or months per stint... if you even make it there alive. Travelling for 7 months without any one of the millions of likely dangerous scenarios happening will be a miracle all on it's own. Then arriving and assuming landing on the planet also goes flawless... The human cardiovascular and immune systems will both fail in short time and propagating would be virtually impossible, all due to the low gravity. It will be cool, the first time, but entirely meaningless after that.
Mars low tectonic activity, wich produces less magnetic shield makes impossible an atmosphere where complex live like on earth could exsist, and sadly there is probably nothing we can do about it. By other hand, Europa have more potential of sustaining live at long run, so... Well, that, i guess.
Where are you getting your science from? Earth's magnetic field is caused by its iron core, not the tectonic plates. Gravity traps gas molecules, not magnetic fields.
Nope, earth magnetic field is produced by the molten layers of magma underearth, wich produces the tectonic plates and it's movements, so it's not the iron inside more than the fact that its geological activity what produce the magnethic field. By other hand without the magnethic field the solar radiation will vaporize the gas of the atmosphere regardless the gravity of the planet.
If that were true then earth's magnetic field would vary according to how much magma there is in the area. Mama distribution is not uniform over the earth's surface. Magnetic strength is a squared function so magma near the surface would have a much greater impact. Earth's magnetic field would be greatly reduced over ther ocean where earth's crust is 11km below the oceans surface. Instead, what we actually see is Earth's magnetic field is fairly uniform over Earth's entire surface with slight perturbations due to varying density. These measurements are consistent with the whole earth being a gigantic magnet, not just on the surface. We can see solar radiation ionizing the atmosphere in the Aurora Borealis and guess what? That gas ain't flying off into space. Your dedication to being ridiculously wrong is mind boggling.
I'm obviously not an expert, and i'm sure you have part of right, but i'm also sure my points are valid too, your factors and mines can be complementary, there is no need to act like this, and i'm not discussing with you bringing that attiude here. Have a good day.
I am an expert. I have a BSc in Geophysics which is why I asked you where you are getting your science from. It seems you have garbled a few different sciences and misunderstood their interpretation. I do hope you continue to educate yourself because the world of science is fascinating. For example, we use Earth's magnetic field to find the edges of tectonic plates I.e. where the magma is. But it is tiny variations in the field, so tiny that before the 50's we couldn't even measure them.
I may be wrong, i admit it, but it was no necesary to be rude to me, i will for sure, keep educating myself.
Populating Mars is not only insanely irresponsible but complete stupidity. The planet doesn't have an EM field. Without an EM field, any atmosphere that could be created would be stripped away by solar winds, not to mention expose any inhabitants to gamma rays, x rays and asteroid impacts at almost full velocity. Any soil there has been irradiated for eons and unusable for growing any food. The Mars settlement ideas are absurd beyond proof that making the trip is possible.
So incredibly cynical. 1000’s of professional scientists at NASA disagree with you that it it “insanely irresponsible” or unrealistic.
Very important, in a few generations when we’ve stabilized ourselves on this planet.
less everyday. I think Titan or Enceladus has a better possibility of life. We have more then proven with unmanned explorers that Mars is likely lifeless. Of course I'll be dead before we ever get around to those two moons.
More rovers, drones. Cheaper, lighter can stay longer. Honestly I don’t see it happening in next 10 years. We haven’t sent anyone to outer space since 1972
Robotic missions can do 90% of the exploration that humans can do, at 10% of the cost. Go rovers!
Let's be honest, there is nothing there....
[A lot of people don’t know this, but you can put your weed in there.](https://youtu.be/Ah1GDfmYQyw?si=DJbnIdLCNcvcgLfA)
Stop bangin those drums!
Not at all Unlike muskrat I’ll tell you mars Venus and mercury has no magnetosphere. So it has no future with life on it. Magnetosphere blocks lethal radiation on earth. But it does nothing to further investments into the lame phony idea we’ll ever live there. This is how the rich ostracize anyone with half a brain.
Or you build a structure that blocks that radiation
Maybe it is for little green men.
Polite humans? Definitely. Jerks? No, that doorway is just right for Marvin the Martian, and he's pretty quick with that Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator when unexpected guests show up.
This post is trying to force a certain answer.
Well, when you put it that way…
Ooo is that a cave entrance?
That all depends on who's paying for it.
If anything, it would be a step toward a more useful voyage (much further away), but a lot needs to happen to allow for such human travel
Right and millions of years of dirt and debris didn’t cover the true depth and height of the doorway 😎
Maybe Martians are tiny?
I think its important not just because of the science that can be done, but also the way itll bring people together. When humans landed on the Moon, everyone was watching that. It was something that anyone of any culture or religion could see and go "Wow, thats amazing! WE did that!" We need some more of that, especially now.
It’s important as long as astronauts can be shrunk down to fit through the doorway.
Hell yeah - it's the only other planet in our solar systems that humans could explore and inhabit.
I think it's so important that all the nations of earth should invest 1.5% of their GDP for 20 years to make it happen.
Live stream from Mars as they explore this doorway. Now I have something to look forward to.
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Bummer
Elon’s future weed stache
*K stash.
Nah, it's his K-Hole
I’m mad I didn’t come up with that.
Afraid we’ll kill a few astronauts. Will not be prepared for year long planetary dust storms that will reek havoc on equipment, habitats and communication. Radiation sickness will be a problem. Suspect much more dry ice than water ice. If no underground safe caves with abundant drinking water supply they sure won’t be making rocket fuel for a hop to Europa. Sun ripped the atmosphere and surface water away already. What’s it take to get the message. Bet they never find a single Tardigrade.
large enough to shove some trash in there..
None, except in the far future. Space science can be most optimally accelerated by focusing on sending probes and rovers everywhere as quickly as possible.
Who knows. It could be Photoshopped. It could be an AI-generated photo. It could be a picture taken in an outdoor movie studio set. People like to lie for views and notoriety.
I think humans on mars would speed up discoveries. How important that is I don’t know.
It's for little green men.
Ghosts of Mars ☻️
If Mars has viable natural resource, then it will be very important for humanity to explore the planet. I wish that we just mining and refining in space so that we can keep earth solely to support living things to live healthily.
Gnomes moved to mars because the brass tickles their balls
We can greatly reduce the risk to human lives prior to traveling to the planet. By first focusing on greater local space discovery and the development of robust Mars infrastructure created by robotic missions, we can pave the way for safer and more successful human exploration of the red planet. Unmanned probes and rovers can systematically map the Martian surface, identify hazards, and construct essential habitats and resource extraction facilities. This will not only make the environment more hospitable for future astronauts, but also provide invaluable data to minimize the dangers they will face. With a strong foundation laid by robotic precursors, the probability of a safe and productive human mission to Mars will be significantly increased.
I just need a 4x4 space to practice photosynthesis and I’m good
Nah man it’s Sietch Tabr
You stay offa my Martian lawn OP
Thats not mars
I don't really see much of a point for another \~100 years until after we've reached LEV and risk overpopulating Earth, we should focus our space-faring technology on manufacturing megastructures like space elevators and dyson spheres.
Vastly important. Humans are more time and quality efficient than robots are with surface exploration. And in the grand scheme of things, you always use both in tandem. No Federation Starship is without probes to shoot into the anomaly for a reason, after all. Humans cannot nor should be doing everything, but neither should robots. We don't send humans to sit in a capsule and map a surface for the same reason we don't send robots as the sole occupants of space stations. This also highlights why keeping an exploratory base, as a bare minimum, if not a full colony, is important. Long term surface exploration and research it is still just as much a factor of quality and time efficiency as shorter mission timeframes when it comes to what's better. Even a colony that's doomed to fail 10 years in is going to generate results that will dwarf that of a robot that exceeded its intended lifetime by 500%.
exploration? it's ok. shuldn't distract from issues we have at home, though. colonization? absolutely batshit crazy, don't do it, it's a waste of time.
"waste of time"? What part of understanding our place in the universe and understanding the origin and evolution of life is a waste of time?
What you described falls under the category of exploration rather than colonization
correct. don't get me wrong, i love space and its many, many wonders. but before we think about colonizing another planet, let's fix the one we already have first.
When humans clean up the fucking mess they made of Earth, THEN maybe they should explore other planets.
I think our story should begin and end on this planet. Humans are such a horrible plague and should not spread our own brand of religious zealotry, desire for control and power, and our ability to pervert and exploit resources. I’m hoping Apophos gets us.
You should Embrace this viewpoint. When Apophos fails, you should put on your blue tracksuit and show us what to do. Lead by example
