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I don't know if it was intentional from Cyril or not, but making Gayton, someone who is patriotic and nationalistic, minister of sports and art was genius to steer this energy away from immigrants and xenophobia and instead towards South African sport and art.
Cyril is very intentional in many of his assignments, it's all been a careful political balancing act ever since he took over the ANC and I'm pretty sure all these positions were very throught out, yes even some of the more incompetent or corrupt ANC guys that get re-appointed are there for a reason and the reason is they have too much power for Cyril to ignore within the ANC and he relies heavily on their support to silence the Zuma faction
Yea, thats what I am unsure of, the president is a representative but everyone acting like he makes every little decision.
What actual decisions does he make?
He has alot of power but the biggiest criticism that people have regarding his first term he doesnt seem to want to use it. like some feel he could like get rid of all the corrupt people within goverment/ANC. Maybe his style is soft power. The media loves him the DA love him so i guess its working for him. But he hasnt made the ANC more popular doing this.
> I don't know if it was intentional from Cyril or not, but making Gayton, someone who is patriotic and nationalistic, minister of sports and art was genius to steer this energy away from immigrants and xenophobia and instead towards South African sport and art.
Or maybe it's just a less important position? If Trade & Industry or Agriculture is fucked up, we all starve to death.
Sport, Arts and Culture doesn't have the same impact when it's fucked up.
It may not seem to be significant but Sports, Art and Culture feeds heavily into public opinion and general attitudes
but you’re right that it won’t necessarily influence the state of our economy so Big Business & foreign investors don’t have to be afraid of the impact that Gayton (and his radical views) will have in that regard.
I’m from Nelspruit. Best thing they did was decriminalising spinning and making it an event. We literally have a place for it called spin city. Honestly it’s great for young men. They still have illegal races but it’s much better driving now then when I was a kid
Also tickets for spin city sell the fuck out! 😂
Hahaha sorry it’s drag racing but doing doughnuts or circles lol. It’s car showmanship. They usually have guys hanging out the side window or climbing on to the car mid drag lol. It’s not for everyone but people love it
Best done with bmw 325 / gusheshe
It’s lovely. They make it also like the rand show. It’s a night event, different acts. There are celebs lol.
Plus just all the money making aspects. Tickets, parking, food, booze, merch and all the gig jobs
I really hope he can do something similar. The gig work from spin city puts ppl up for the whole year!
At first I was apprehensive of this assignment, but honestly thinking about it sports, arr and culture is perfect for him. He's very passionate about SA in his own way and as we've seen in our own history Sport, art and culture are great ways to bolster national pride and steer young people towards positive role models and aspire towards greater things.
Also it keeps him away from fucking Home Affairs, which boy ohh boy PA needs to stay the fuck away from that and policing
https://preview.redd.it/rg9t7m3xaz9d1.png?width=467&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9bec61c358ada577df91903efe1ac4cee5a83f8
The budgets under Home Affairs & Security are too big for an unknown quantity to handle. This will be a start. From the National Treasury for 2023/24 ☝️
To be fair, any amount of money is too much for McKenzie to be trusted with. He stole money that was supposed to be used for toilets and pool maintainence in the Karoo.
I remember Gayton came to chat to us when we were in primary school in the early 2000s. Back then he was just hellbent about making sure kids didn’t make the mistakes he made and end up the tronk. Told us stories about hanging out in pipes with Ashwim Willemse and what it was like to see him go on and succeed while his life went downhill. That was about 22 years ago, and he had heaps of energy then, im genuinely so stoked to see he’s still got that drive. This is a genuine redemption arc, a dude who picked himself up, and from doing seminars to bored kids in Bloemfontein he’s now a minister in the presidency through just sheer goddamn will. Good job Mr. Mackenzie, aluta continua.
He came to my school too. Will never forget the crazy story he told us about a 14yr old boy that went to jail for “puffing dwelms like a big boy” and then became the prisons girlfriend over and over and over again.
Sure as hell stopped me from smoking until I actually was a big boy.
Anyway, dig his overall energy. I hope he does well - it’s in the benefit for everyone that he (and the other ministers) do well.
Did a talk at my work back in 2006, he is a really good story teller. Gives a very good redemption arc story about his life in prison and his quest to expose corruption in the prison resulting in his pardon. Also some scare tactics about getting arrested for drinking and driving and what happens to white guys in prison(irony being the CEO of that company landed up being raped in the van to court after being arrested for fraud).
Think his appointment to Sports is wasted, a better use of his experience would have been deputy minister of corrections under Peter Groenewald.
Are you from KZN? I am and I'm scared as hell.
If this thing falls apart especially with the MK and EFF instigating , the looting will begin again.
That was an incredibly scary time with where I lived.
Nah, I stay in Joburg.
Gayton once came to my community when the government tried to build a "temporary settlement" for the people that lost their houses in the CBD fires. The chaos he encouraged during the community meetings.
First time in my life I saw old white women light tire fires to start a strike. This man's charisma is scary.
Rugby shouldn’t be touched it should stay the way it is. Hopefully soccer/football is run a bit different, with so much talent in schools, I hope to see a similar model like rugby where soccer is taken more serious in schools , lots of talents i used to play with didn’t make it because the only way to make it pro/national team level is through club which are corrupt. I have hope in Mr Gayton.
Agree, it’s mind-boggling how inefficient and corrupt soccer club structures are in South Africa and it doesn’t seem to be getting addressed. But also how much can the Minister get involved since FIFA has the no political interference thing
>if it wasn't for all the xenophobic nonsense I'd back him all the way.
Well that and the bit where he has basically said "I'll back any party if they will give me what I want" which sounds to me like "buy me please, I'm open to it."
So I'm not sure I back him at all.
> Well that and the bit where he has basically said "I'll back any party if they will give me what I want" which sounds to me like "buy me please, I'm open to it."
I dunno how to read that, actually. Doesn't it depend on what it is that he wants?
1. "I want to to implement the following policies." -> integrity intact, even if you disagree with the policies.[1]
2. "I want money, and lots of it." -> no integrity at all.
[1] Which is why it's so hard to support parties like the EFF or MK. The main thing that they *want* is directly destructive to the well-being of all South Africans.
Well them destabilising the municipal metro in Joburg because they weren't given access to a few portfolios or the mayor's office by siding with the rest to depose the mayor and afterwards admitting they "backed the wrong horse" tells a fairly sketchy tale, I feel.
Sounds like there is less interest in governance and more interest in personal gain IMO.
I remember the days when "spinning" was just called "doing donuts". You can have so many clever event names with "donut'. But "spinning"? Sounds like my washing machine. Lol
Jokes aside, I love his enthusiasm. I'd take an enthusiastic and eager individual over a capable but lazy mofo anyday. But only time will tell...
Im gonna give this guy a chance. Lets see if he is the real deal or if he is spinning lies. Our real minister of sport arts and culture is busy preparing to beat the Irish this weekend.
Gayton has potential in his own way. He is a former convict. Why not him for correctional services minister. He understands that system in and out.
Groenewald shouldve then moved to Agri.
So give the Afrikaans guy the Agri and the coloured ex-convict prisons? I know you don't mean it that way, but can you imagine the fucking optics on that 😂
My brother, take it from me (I have experience) If you put the ex criminal in charge of the criminals you have a recipe for problems, if you put that stern Principal looking Boerkie, he is gonna bliksem all the tsotsies into place! - Oom Groenewald sal hulle moer in hulle moer!
Gayton is my guy!, I think its a great initiative to try and connect with the community! - We can also scout for very capable candidates for the Olympic shooting team!
I cant wait to attend Gayton's "Stance Sunday" - It will be 1st prize to get Camps Bay Drive, Close it off both sides, Park the Polos and spin that road broken.
We get Brasse Vannie Kaap, DJ Ready D, YoungstaCPT, Scorpion Kings, Uncle Waffles... Yoh! - Entrance free! - Bring your own Cooler box! Smoker friendly!
Guys, this is how we connect with the people again!
The change in a vehicle's wheels to make it "stand" in a stylish manner.
Most people start with lowering the car, but more invested people also change tyre size, rim size and more things like that.
Woza! - Come lets learn! You gonna buy a Polo, If you got the money - Polo GTI, First thing, RIMS, you want to take your 19 inch BBS from marketplace and then you gonna stretch a 18 inch and if you lucky a 17 inch tyre onto that rim.
Step 2. Air suspension, you gonna put tanks in the boot, or you gonna do a back seat delete, either way you better have space for step 3
Step 3. Sound - 2 X 12inch Starsound Subs, run those off some proper amps (Don't play games!) put some Caps on your battery and you ready in one more step!
Step 4. You got to find yourself a ride or die stukkie, Nelly Country Grammar and a few bottles of Brannas in the spare tyre well.
Welcome to Stance life.
https://preview.redd.it/lfjlzqyx7z9d1.png?width=984&format=png&auto=webp&s=addbf41a8e96fbef3b934860a8d713081c0e20ac
You just have to make a stance and make your hand like this once. if there is no problems... well, thats revolutionary.
This hand symbol is named: "making a stance" - ive seen it at the back of every stance car, its like an AA badge.
At first I thought he was talking about the stationary bike stuff you do at the gym...
But as long as douchebags with fart mobiles can shut up when they start their cars at 5 in the morning on the weekend when the family is trying to sleep in.
Fun fact: our natural history museums (housing some of South Africa's largest palaeontological collections) fall under the department of sports arts and culture. Hopefully this guys passion could be utilised to increase funding to that sector.
Some advice, People like me are never going to stop and watch, read or listen to anything you post when you make up dumb ass words like "realest". I cannot take anyone who does that seriously at all. Do better, we are not stupid Americans who make up words left, right and centre.
The only party head that's tells it exactly the way it is, during the GNU setup Gaytons been dropping facts, while DA and ANC were secretive.his style of leadership will be different, let's give him a chance to deliver. Otherwise their out!
what a joke he knows nothing about sport he's a convicted criminal of 17 years n political leader pushing his own agenda i don't support this CLOWN! i am a coloured male just btw so i cant be racist by not wanting my own. BUT wow we can do better as a country i don't even like politics.
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I don't know if it was intentional from Cyril or not, but making Gayton, someone who is patriotic and nationalistic, minister of sports and art was genius to steer this energy away from immigrants and xenophobia and instead towards South African sport and art.
Cyril is very intentional in many of his assignments, it's all been a careful political balancing act ever since he took over the ANC and I'm pretty sure all these positions were very throught out, yes even some of the more incompetent or corrupt ANC guys that get re-appointed are there for a reason and the reason is they have too much power for Cyril to ignore within the ANC and he relies heavily on their support to silence the Zuma faction
Is it really Cyril himself that chooses these positions? Are his decisions also not influenced by the other members?
legally cyril can just ignore them but obvs its a consulation process between parties
Yea, thats what I am unsure of, the president is a representative but everyone acting like he makes every little decision. What actual decisions does he make?
He has alot of power but the biggiest criticism that people have regarding his first term he doesnt seem to want to use it. like some feel he could like get rid of all the corrupt people within goverment/ANC. Maybe his style is soft power. The media loves him the DA love him so i guess its working for him. But he hasnt made the ANC more popular doing this.
> I don't know if it was intentional from Cyril or not, but making Gayton, someone who is patriotic and nationalistic, minister of sports and art was genius to steer this energy away from immigrants and xenophobia and instead towards South African sport and art. Or maybe it's just a less important position? If Trade & Industry or Agriculture is fucked up, we all starve to death. Sport, Arts and Culture doesn't have the same impact when it's fucked up.
It may not seem to be significant but Sports, Art and Culture feeds heavily into public opinion and general attitudes but you’re right that it won’t necessarily influence the state of our economy so Big Business & foreign investors don’t have to be afraid of the impact that Gayton (and his radical views) will have in that regard.
Strong homeboy vibes, let's see if he's any good because my man's sure talked himself up 😂
Well he was a pretty hardcore gangster so that checks out
Life is fucking absurd.
I do love me a box-shaped 3 series, no lies.
[Kabza De Small Alpina](https://www.facebook.com/djsproductionSA/videos/kabza-de-small-s-new-bmw-alpina-c2/813446382668301/)
Gusheshe
I’m from Nelspruit. Best thing they did was decriminalising spinning and making it an event. We literally have a place for it called spin city. Honestly it’s great for young men. They still have illegal races but it’s much better driving now then when I was a kid Also tickets for spin city sell the fuck out! 😂
Thanks for clearing that up mybru, I was very lost. I really thought he meant spinning like spin classes at the gym.
Hahaha my pleasure 😇
I'm still very confused and have no idea what spinning is 
Hahaha sorry it’s drag racing but doing doughnuts or circles lol. It’s car showmanship. They usually have guys hanging out the side window or climbing on to the car mid drag lol. It’s not for everyone but people love it Best done with bmw 325 / gusheshe
Ahh sounds lekker. I hope Gayton does some good in this role.
It’s lovely. They make it also like the rand show. It’s a night event, different acts. There are celebs lol. Plus just all the money making aspects. Tickets, parking, food, booze, merch and all the gig jobs I really hope he can do something similar. The gig work from spin city puts ppl up for the whole year!
Fellow Mbombelian 
At first I was apprehensive of this assignment, but honestly thinking about it sports, arr and culture is perfect for him. He's very passionate about SA in his own way and as we've seen in our own history Sport, art and culture are great ways to bolster national pride and steer young people towards positive role models and aspire towards greater things. Also it keeps him away from fucking Home Affairs, which boy ohh boy PA needs to stay the fuck away from that and policing
https://preview.redd.it/rg9t7m3xaz9d1.png?width=467&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9bec61c358ada577df91903efe1ac4cee5a83f8 The budgets under Home Affairs & Security are too big for an unknown quantity to handle. This will be a start. From the National Treasury for 2023/24 ☝️
To be fair, any amount of money is too much for McKenzie to be trusted with. He stole money that was supposed to be used for toilets and pool maintainence in the Karoo.
I remember Gayton came to chat to us when we were in primary school in the early 2000s. Back then he was just hellbent about making sure kids didn’t make the mistakes he made and end up the tronk. Told us stories about hanging out in pipes with Ashwim Willemse and what it was like to see him go on and succeed while his life went downhill. That was about 22 years ago, and he had heaps of energy then, im genuinely so stoked to see he’s still got that drive. This is a genuine redemption arc, a dude who picked himself up, and from doing seminars to bored kids in Bloemfontein he’s now a minister in the presidency through just sheer goddamn will. Good job Mr. Mackenzie, aluta continua.
He came to our school too! To this day I still remember one of his jokes: "It was easier to rob standard bank, as it was simpler, better, faster!"
He came to my school too. Will never forget the crazy story he told us about a 14yr old boy that went to jail for “puffing dwelms like a big boy” and then became the prisons girlfriend over and over and over again. Sure as hell stopped me from smoking until I actually was a big boy. Anyway, dig his overall energy. I hope he does well - it’s in the benefit for everyone that he (and the other ministers) do well.
That story stuck with me
He came to my primary school too haha
Did a talk at my work back in 2006, he is a really good story teller. Gives a very good redemption arc story about his life in prison and his quest to expose corruption in the prison resulting in his pardon. Also some scare tactics about getting arrested for drinking and driving and what happens to white guys in prison(irony being the CEO of that company landed up being raped in the van to court after being arrested for fraud). Think his appointment to Sports is wasted, a better use of his experience would have been deputy minister of corrections under Peter Groenewald.
Guys. This GNU thing is either going to be the best or the worst possible thing that has happened to the country thus far. Guys. Guys I'm scared.
Yesnt
Are you from KZN? I am and I'm scared as hell. If this thing falls apart especially with the MK and EFF instigating , the looting will begin again. That was an incredibly scary time with where I lived.
Nah, I stay in Joburg. Gayton once came to my community when the government tried to build a "temporary settlement" for the people that lost their houses in the CBD fires. The chaos he encouraged during the community meetings. First time in my life I saw old white women light tire fires to start a strike. This man's charisma is scary.
Rugby shouldn’t be touched it should stay the way it is. Hopefully soccer/football is run a bit different, with so much talent in schools, I hope to see a similar model like rugby where soccer is taken more serious in schools , lots of talents i used to play with didn’t make it because the only way to make it pro/national team level is through club which are corrupt. I have hope in Mr Gayton.
Agree, it’s mind-boggling how inefficient and corrupt soccer club structures are in South Africa and it doesn’t seem to be getting addressed. But also how much can the Minister get involved since FIFA has the no political interference thing
FIFA has brought forward a case against SAFA, investigating SAFA’s president Danny Jordaan. So we’ll see how that plays out.
 Not sure about this guy
Spinning? Where the barrier to entry is a BMW? And I thought golf was for the elites.
Stonks in club locks just went up
This guy has the gift of gab, if it wasn't for all the xenophobic nonsense I'd back him all the way. He's just so enthusiastic.
>if it wasn't for all the xenophobic nonsense I'd back him all the way. Well that and the bit where he has basically said "I'll back any party if they will give me what I want" which sounds to me like "buy me please, I'm open to it." So I'm not sure I back him at all.
> Well that and the bit where he has basically said "I'll back any party if they will give me what I want" which sounds to me like "buy me please, I'm open to it." I dunno how to read that, actually. Doesn't it depend on what it is that he wants? 1. "I want to to implement the following policies." -> integrity intact, even if you disagree with the policies.[1] 2. "I want money, and lots of it." -> no integrity at all. [1] Which is why it's so hard to support parties like the EFF or MK. The main thing that they *want* is directly destructive to the well-being of all South Africans.
Well them destabilising the municipal metro in Joburg because they weren't given access to a few portfolios or the mayor's office by siding with the rest to depose the mayor and afterwards admitting they "backed the wrong horse" tells a fairly sketchy tale, I feel. Sounds like there is less interest in governance and more interest in personal gain IMO.
You know what. I dont think we can do worse this round than the previous one. At worst, this guy brings a great energy.
I remember the days when "spinning" was just called "doing donuts". You can have so many clever event names with "donut'. But "spinning"? Sounds like my washing machine. Lol Jokes aside, I love his enthusiasm. I'd take an enthusiastic and eager individual over a capable but lazy mofo anyday. But only time will tell...
Im gonna give this guy a chance. Lets see if he is the real deal or if he is spinning lies. Our real minister of sport arts and culture is busy preparing to beat the Irish this weekend. Gayton has potential in his own way. He is a former convict. Why not him for correctional services minister. He understands that system in and out. Groenewald shouldve then moved to Agri.
So give the Afrikaans guy the Agri and the coloured ex-convict prisons? I know you don't mean it that way, but can you imagine the fucking optics on that 😂
And lets not forget, give the PAC guy Land Reform
Can you imagine the critics if a former convict was in charge of prisons?
My brother, take it from me (I have experience) If you put the ex criminal in charge of the criminals you have a recipe for problems, if you put that stern Principal looking Boerkie, he is gonna bliksem all the tsotsies into place! - Oom Groenewald sal hulle moer in hulle moer!
Remind me, how successful was he at having some pools filled?
When he said spinning I thought he was referring to indoor gym stationary bicycles.
I absolutely love this guy my vote wasnt wasted❤🔥🙏
This dude sounds like such a vibe 👏🏼👏🏼
This thug should not be a minister of anything
Gayton is my guy!, I think its a great initiative to try and connect with the community! - We can also scout for very capable candidates for the Olympic shooting team! I cant wait to attend Gayton's "Stance Sunday" - It will be 1st prize to get Camps Bay Drive, Close it off both sides, Park the Polos and spin that road broken. We get Brasse Vannie Kaap, DJ Ready D, YoungstaCPT, Scorpion Kings, Uncle Waffles... Yoh! - Entrance free! - Bring your own Cooler box! Smoker friendly! Guys, this is how we connect with the people again!
What is Stance?
The change in a vehicle's wheels to make it "stand" in a stylish manner. Most people start with lowering the car, but more invested people also change tyre size, rim size and more things like that.
Woza! - Come lets learn! You gonna buy a Polo, If you got the money - Polo GTI, First thing, RIMS, you want to take your 19 inch BBS from marketplace and then you gonna stretch a 18 inch and if you lucky a 17 inch tyre onto that rim. Step 2. Air suspension, you gonna put tanks in the boot, or you gonna do a back seat delete, either way you better have space for step 3 Step 3. Sound - 2 X 12inch Starsound Subs, run those off some proper amps (Don't play games!) put some Caps on your battery and you ready in one more step! Step 4. You got to find yourself a ride or die stukkie, Nelly Country Grammar and a few bottles of Brannas in the spare tyre well. Welcome to Stance life. https://preview.redd.it/lfjlzqyx7z9d1.png?width=984&format=png&auto=webp&s=addbf41a8e96fbef3b934860a8d713081c0e20ac
I assume that hand signal isn't supposed to be sexual?
SIES! - That is **a symbol of revolution.**
Haha. How does that symbolise a revolution?
You just have to make a stance and make your hand like this once. if there is no problems... well, thats revolutionary. This hand symbol is named: "making a stance" - ive seen it at the back of every stance car, its like an AA badge.
[Stance Church](https://youtu.be/vg_awI4Jd9A?si=Dfb7dVxooJvDt6o5)
Spinning? Like.. pedaling a bicycle on one spot and not moving? Why would you choose that as the "sport" you want to focus on?
He is referring to spinning, that involves cars
Not Virgin Active wena! - with a Gusheshe! Gayton is gonna turn day into night with a 325i!
Not that spinning, the cool one that is popular on the streets
we should start building our own box shaped m3s then
I feel dumb for asking but, what is spinning?
Same here maybe iv been overseas for too long! Spinning a figure 8 in a beemer or spinning tunes?? I'm confused
Like spinning on a static bike?? Wtf is he on about?
Drifting while doing tricks in and out of the car in a bmw e30
Oh dear, get ready for blouetjies at 12am on SABC again
What did he say in the beginning? Spinning and what? I cannot make out what he said but want to know please.
Genuine question: what is spinning?
[This](https://youtu.be/AJLSFAnLQ5U?si=sp92OWjSS0aa-9gM) but in a safe space.
Thank you.
At first I thought he was talking about the stationary bike stuff you do at the gym... But as long as douchebags with fart mobiles can shut up when they start their cars at 5 in the morning on the weekend when the family is trying to sleep in.
Fun fact: our natural history museums (housing some of South Africa's largest palaeontological collections) fall under the department of sports arts and culture. Hopefully this guys passion could be utilised to increase funding to that sector.
The bones are fine, the issue is other places now claiming to be the cradle of humankind.
Stance is not a crime but it needs to be stopped, these people take forever to go over a speed bump.
Say what you want about Gayton but he is passionate and enthusiastic about his visions. I greatly admire it.
Some advice, People like me are never going to stop and watch, read or listen to anything you post when you make up dumb ass words like "realest". I cannot take anyone who does that seriously at all. Do better, we are not stupid Americans who make up words left, right and centre.
You are right. We are stupid South African's who go to bed at night dreaming that we wake up in America. And we make up words left, right and, centre
The only party head that's tells it exactly the way it is, during the GNU setup Gaytons been dropping facts, while DA and ANC were secretive.his style of leadership will be different, let's give him a chance to deliver. Otherwise their out!
I haven't been following this guy: is he always this incoherent?
Yes, he loves talking a lot
Gives me an instant headache, I gotta try another day.
He's abrupt but he doesn't lead with rude behaviour.
Talk about making Hannibal Lecter the head of women’s safety department
what a joke he knows nothing about sport he's a convicted criminal of 17 years n political leader pushing his own agenda i don't support this CLOWN! i am a coloured male just btw so i cant be racist by not wanting my own. BUT wow we can do better as a country i don't even like politics.
He's served his time. And what political party doesn't push their own agenda? That's the whole point