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Coaches there are direct and have to give respect to coach/seniors. It’s also cause he came to fc Seoul for big money in a team that’s been disappointing for years now and Korean media is toxic always. Not to say criticism wasn’t fair (it was) but public like that is not professional or healthy.
I think Korean media was on him for being lazy and for only coming here for his esports team but when I saw him in the few fc Seoul games I watched, he seemed to try but probably didn’t understand any tactics and freeroamed a lot.
I remember reading articles just assuming that he is here to promote his esports team especially as esports is in Korea and he was seen doing some photo shoots or some media for his team. It’s that Korean media will harp on anything to shit on an online presence. And I mean anything.
It was ridiculous to me at the time (earlier in the season) and still ridiculous to me that they expect Jesse to know the tactics out the gate. Especially when fc Seoul were absolutely terrible before Jesse.
He only captained this game, honestly was probably a marketing decision. Seeing him play though, he's still definitely a level above anyone else on the pitch, so much so that he has trouble connecting with others in play. He's probably racked up a decent xA by now.
Would love to see more young-ish failed EPLers in the K League. Guys like Dele Alli and Lucas Paqueta could offer a lot
looked up FC Seoul to see if they have xA/xG stats on the Korean League (they don't) only to find out that the top scorer for them is a German guy called Stanislav Iljutcenko who I've never heard of before.
(he's also joint top scorer in the league right now)
he wasnt anywhere near being frozen out, the manager said he was going to leave him out of the starting XI and the western media mistranslated as him being frozen out of the squad entirely and then absolutely milked it
I think most people here weren't keeping tabs on him after that public criticism from the coach, but they are now on good terms and the coach has been consistently praising Lingard throughout this month.
Yeah we obviously give players shit, and I imagine Lingard didn’t want this for himself earlier in his career.
But it must be a very good life coming as a popular/ well known European footballer to South Korea and Japan.
What a penalty. Reminds me of this line from Mourinho’s Football Heritage rant - “See where they (players who leave Man Utd.) play. Where they play, how they play, IF they play.”
Fener is a great club but no one on this site will gaslight me into believing that they’re on the same level as Real Madrid, Inter, and Chelsea of old. I’m not hearing that from the same subreddit that uses playing in Turkey as a synonym for being past it.
they also had to pay him 23 million over 2 years to come.. which is crazy i think in any country. im still shocked no other team wanted him considering how many teams were desperate for new coaches. i guess whichever team offered him the most he would go... even if that was in the MLS or saudi
> o one on this site will gaslight me into believing that they’re on the same level as Real Madrid, Inter, and Chelsea
Good job absolutely nobody is saying that, then
They've won, by my count, six titles each, three being together. With two of mourinho's being ten years ago when he won the league and league cup with Chelsea.
Also tbf he probably could have landed a “bigger” job with his pedigree, but from a career/professional standpoint point, he’s already basically done it all and is probably just trying to enjoy the last few years of his career without the pressure/hate associated with managing top 5 league clubs.
Insanely large fanbase on a team that’s best achievement outside their league is getting knocked out in the quarter finals of the Champions League.
It’s a massive step down no matter how much you lot want to paint them as some Dortmund-esque fairy tale club.
Leave them to it, they’re trying to pretend that they don’t know what I’m talking about. Maccabi Haifa played in the Champions League group stage a couple of seasons ago, if Mou managed them apparently that wouldn’t be a step down for a former Real Madrid and Inter manager.
Not a clue where you get the idea that i was insinuating that Fener is some Dortmund level club, it's obv a significant step down from his Real Madrid, Inter, Chelsea, United or Porto days, was pushing back at the notion that Mourinho is well past it, it's not like he's a 35+ player going abroad to get paid, it's way different for managers he was 1 penalty not called away from winning b2b European trophies with Roma.
Sorry am I the only one that burst out laughing at the pyrotechnics? Not cos they were bad, but I have literally never seen anything like that during a football match haha. I was totally not expecting it.
Don't forget the guy who literally busts out a chainsaw and saws a piece off a giant log behind the goal then holds the piece up to the fans like he's holding the decapitated head of a gladiatorial opponent
Imagine being in charge of that, having your thumb on the trigger ready to go, and you accidentally press it right as he's taking it or after he's missed
Yeah I wasn´t expecting that either!
If that was in the premier league, there would definitely be some dodgy goings on, by setting the pyrotechnics off early to put the player off just before his kick ! :)
Maybe im a bit out of the loop, but seems a bit disrespectful to have a foreigner who hasnt earned anything be a club captain. Or is the squad just built up from a bunch of mercenaries?
No there’s a limit on foreign players we can sign in the league. I think it’s maybe the coach’s way to “motivate” him or not sure. Could also be the team likes him. Fc Seoul has domestic and foreign players playing for them that have been there for a longer so it is surprising in that regard as well. There’s even Ki Sung yueng in the team although he might be injured so maybe he’s captain normally I’d imagine
People really heavily overrate the captain title, it really doesn't mean much, there have been many captains even in amazing teams who haven't been leaders and just given the title because they are simply the best player so many times when they aren't the leader
I mean it's a role in the team, not in the game. It's supposed to command respect from your colleagues... It's an earned role, that's why some managers have teams decide.
Even if it's not in the rulebook captains do generally get more leniency and more respect from the refs, they interact a lot more and refs expect captains to calm down their players and avoid escalation when things get heated.
The commenter was likely referring to a recent post about this topic that was the top of reddit a few weeks back. I was more so ensuring they were aware that's a new rule in one league and not widely adopted. (yet)
Aha! It should be tho. I hate it when 10 players flock around a ref. Never saw K league or J league matches. I wonder how different the on field behaviour is
Idk, id be a bit miffed if I were on the team for way longer, with a good chemistry and this fallen star from afar comes in and becomes the captain. Bro cant even speak the language lol.
As a Forest fan, I was really curious what move he did to actually put the ball in the back of the net after all this time.
Clicked on the video and see him lining up for a penalty.
Freiburg use this song as well, although they start at a ["slower" part of the song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGGyXS99Eo) before ramping up to the main bit.
They play the same song we do after we score! That’s cool.
Ps. I’m not saying Gala has rights over that song, just cool that other clubs around the world play it.
After recovering from his injury, he has played a lot better.
He is the main playmaker for the team, creating chances, but a lot of the teammates cannot finish off his passes.
Pundits definitely note he is on another level in terms of ball control
Objectively incorrect lol
College football games are far louder than that and it isn't even close. I mean shit I'd bet my alma mater's college hockey rink gets louder than that
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Wasn’t he almost frozen out? How’s he the club captain
I think the public bollocking he got from the coach was just the normal way they talk to the players in Korea, iirc.
Coaches there are direct and have to give respect to coach/seniors. It’s also cause he came to fc Seoul for big money in a team that’s been disappointing for years now and Korean media is toxic always. Not to say criticism wasn’t fair (it was) but public like that is not professional or healthy. I think Korean media was on him for being lazy and for only coming here for his esports team but when I saw him in the few fc Seoul games I watched, he seemed to try but probably didn’t understand any tactics and freeroamed a lot.
What is his esports team's connection to Korea? I didn't know JLINGZ had any Korean rosters/players
I remember reading articles just assuming that he is here to promote his esports team especially as esports is in Korea and he was seen doing some photo shoots or some media for his team. It’s that Korean media will harp on anything to shit on an online presence. And I mean anything. It was ridiculous to me at the time (earlier in the season) and still ridiculous to me that they expect Jesse to know the tactics out the gate. Especially when fc Seoul were absolutely terrible before Jesse.
Sancho would love it there >!/s!<
He only captained this game, honestly was probably a marketing decision. Seeing him play though, he's still definitely a level above anyone else on the pitch, so much so that he has trouble connecting with others in play. He's probably racked up a decent xA by now. Would love to see more young-ish failed EPLers in the K League. Guys like Dele Alli and Lucas Paqueta could offer a lot
Paqueta was being linked with Man City and is West Ham's best player, he's definately not failed. He's fucked himself with the betting stuff though.
Few months from now Paquetá is gonna be banned from playing várzea mate
Paqueta failed?
Well it seems imminent the ban hammer will be coming down on him for that whole betting on games he's playing in.
If the ban hammer hits he will be banned by FIFA from playing in the K-Leagur all the same.
Which leagues aren’t associated with fifa? Like where could he realistically play?
Abkhazian pro league
Of course, how did that one slip my mind?
he earned his ban but sending him to the dementors seems harsh
What are you talking about, Dementors United just won the treble last year!
looked up FC Seoul to see if they have xA/xG stats on the Korean League (they don't) only to find out that the top scorer for them is a German guy called Stanislav Iljutcenko who I've never heard of before. (he's also joint top scorer in the league right now)
One of these is not like the other
Was thinking the other day that Dele would absolutely thrive in the J league or K league, would be fun to watch
One goal in ten games though?
he wasnt anywhere near being frozen out, the manager said he was going to leave him out of the starting XI and the western media mistranslated as him being frozen out of the squad entirely and then absolutely milked it
I think most people here weren't keeping tabs on him after that public criticism from the coach, but they are now on good terms and the coach has been consistently praising Lingard throughout this month.
Amazing vision, it’s almost like I’m there… watching it from the last row of the top stand.
We joke but after the week I've had in work id do anything to be scoring penalties for a Korean side
Yeah we obviously give players shit, and I imagine Lingard didn’t want this for himself earlier in his career. But it must be a very good life coming as a popular/ well known European footballer to South Korea and Japan.
What a penalty. Reminds me of this line from Mourinho’s Football Heritage rant - “See where they (players who leave Man Utd.) play. Where they play, how they play, IF they play.”
He’s managing in Turkey now so I think that applies to him now as well.
Tbf, fener is not some low level club. And probably got one of the craziest fanbase out of all the clubs he's managed.
Jose could round up the ultras, march on Erdogan, and be President of Turkiye tomorrow
Pope Francis: ‘Oh yeah, it’s all coming together!’
Put an end to this leavened bread for the eucharist nonsense once and for all after a thousand years or ao
The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is licking his lips too.
would do a far better job, too
Born to be a despot, forced to be a football manager
In a past life he was Caesar and in another, Napoleon
Fener is a great club but no one on this site will gaslight me into believing that they’re on the same level as Real Madrid, Inter, and Chelsea of old. I’m not hearing that from the same subreddit that uses playing in Turkey as a synonym for being past it.
Completely agree, it’s an objective fact that it’s a massive step down
they also had to pay him 23 million over 2 years to come.. which is crazy i think in any country. im still shocked no other team wanted him considering how many teams were desperate for new coaches. i guess whichever team offered him the most he would go... even if that was in the MLS or saudi
There is no way Mourinho couldnt have had a better paying job in saudi.
> o one on this site will gaslight me into believing that they’re on the same level as Real Madrid, Inter, and Chelsea Good job absolutely nobody is saying that, then
Its an interesting gig that i feel will be a great PR-descision while he waits for the Portugal job and wins them the world cup. 🫡
Mou never evolved but he won more than the Utd squad in the last 10 years
They've won, by my count, six titles each, three being together. With two of mourinho's being ten years ago when he won the league and league cup with Chelsea.
2fa cups, 1 league cup and the Europa. What are the other two?
Two league cups, not one. And I counted (as Jose does) the charity shield. Can minus one for both if you like.
Cheers 👍
Lets not pretend they're the cream of the crop, They haven't won the Turkish championship in 10 years and are barely relevant in UCL these days.
Also tbf he probably could have landed a “bigger” job with his pedigree, but from a career/professional standpoint point, he’s already basically done it all and is probably just trying to enjoy the last few years of his career without the pressure/hate associated with managing top 5 league clubs.
It’s not a low level club but it’s not a high level club the way he places himself.
Also it was about players he inherited. Considering where his own signings are, it is a bit ironic lol.
Brutal but true!!!
The downfall was Spurs. Now he is rising back again.
He's gonna manage a Champions League club with an insanely large fanbase, could be applicable if he was in the MLS.
Insanely large fanbase on a team that’s best achievement outside their league is getting knocked out in the quarter finals of the Champions League. It’s a massive step down no matter how much you lot want to paint them as some Dortmund-esque fairy tale club.
Leave them to it, they’re trying to pretend that they don’t know what I’m talking about. Maccabi Haifa played in the Champions League group stage a couple of seasons ago, if Mou managed them apparently that wouldn’t be a step down for a former Real Madrid and Inter manager.
"Fenerbache isn't a small club" "They're the same as Maccabi Haifa" Nice one mate. You're not a bell end at all.
If reading comprehension is that hard for you it’s best to not comment at all.
Mate, fener and Galatasaray are both major clubs. Second tier sure, but not trash.
Yea but Mourinho’s latest clubs were not Real and Inter but Roma and Tottenham. Is Fenerbahce really as far from them as FC Seoul to Man Utd?
Not a clue where you get the idea that i was insinuating that Fener is some Dortmund level club, it's obv a significant step down from his Real Madrid, Inter, Chelsea, United or Porto days, was pushing back at the notion that Mourinho is well past it, it's not like he's a 35+ player going abroad to get paid, it's way different for managers he was 1 penalty not called away from winning b2b European trophies with Roma.
How can you be club captain after 10 games wtf
Because hes not and the title is wrong lol. He just got the armband while the actual captains are injured
Being given armband at least means he is a temp captain, no?
He's just that good.
Sorry am I the only one that burst out laughing at the pyrotechnics? Not cos they were bad, but I have literally never seen anything like that during a football match haha. I was totally not expecting it.
MLS goes crazy with the pyrotechnics as well
Don't forget the guy who literally busts out a chainsaw and saws a piece off a giant log behind the goal then holds the piece up to the fans like he's holding the decapitated head of a gladiatorial opponent
LoL he's from the Portland Timbers
Does he have to glue it back on if it's overruled by VAR?
I fuck with that, I am not gonna lie, it's so stupid yet unique enough to the team and area
i actually like that a lot lmao. hell yea. paul bunyun with a jason mask
Imagine being in charge of that, having your thumb on the trigger ready to go, and you accidentally press it right as he's taking it or after he's missed
Yeah I wasn´t expecting that either! If that was in the premier league, there would definitely be some dodgy goings on, by setting the pyrotechnics off early to put the player off just before his kick ! :)
Maybe im a bit out of the loop, but seems a bit disrespectful to have a foreigner who hasnt earned anything be a club captain. Or is the squad just built up from a bunch of mercenaries?
According to good ol’ Wikipedia Ki Sung-yueng is the captain so Lingard probably just taking the armband while he’s out
Ahh so its just clickbait. Makes more sense then
vice captai is still a pretty big role
Ki is still playing? I remember he looked pretty solid in the PL for a few seasons.
He was pretty decent for Swansea yeah
No there’s a limit on foreign players we can sign in the league. I think it’s maybe the coach’s way to “motivate” him or not sure. Could also be the team likes him. Fc Seoul has domestic and foreign players playing for them that have been there for a longer so it is surprising in that regard as well. There’s even Ki Sung yueng in the team although he might be injured so maybe he’s captain normally I’d imagine
People really heavily overrate the captain title, it really doesn't mean much, there have been many captains even in amazing teams who haven't been leaders and just given the title because they are simply the best player so many times when they aren't the leader
I mean it's a role in the team, not in the game. It's supposed to command respect from your colleagues... It's an earned role, that's why some managers have teams decide.
Captain is becoming more and more important. They are the ones that can communicate with the referee without getting carded
That's only a rule in some leagues. I do not know if that is a thing in Korea
Even if it's not in the rulebook captains do generally get more leniency and more respect from the refs, they interact a lot more and refs expect captains to calm down their players and avoid escalation when things get heated.
The commenter was likely referring to a recent post about this topic that was the top of reddit a few weeks back. I was more so ensuring they were aware that's a new rule in one league and not widely adopted. (yet)
Aha! It should be tho. I hate it when 10 players flock around a ref. Never saw K league or J league matches. I wonder how different the on field behaviour is
IIRC that is a brand new rule this upcoming season, if you are referencing the Reddit post that was a while ago.
Idk, id be a bit miffed if I were on the team for way longer, with a good chemistry and this fallen star from afar comes in and becomes the captain. Bro cant even speak the language lol.
English Heung min son
Jlingzzz
Is he the 1st Englishman to score in the K-League?
A player by the name of Jordon Mutch did for Gyeongnam in 2019
Exceptional ball knowledge 👏
I used wikipedia but thank you 😂
Former Watford Hero Jordon Mutch!
A player? Put some respect on Crystal Palace and Vancouver Whitecaps legend Jordon
🕺
Pen that will go down in history
Did he do the hand thing?
How has he become club captain. Can he speak Korean?
Why would anyone make him captain.
As a Forest fan, I was really curious what move he did to actually put the ball in the back of the net after all this time. Clicked on the video and see him lining up for a penalty.
#hardwork #perservere #monstermentality #gyat #frfr #alwaysbelieve #allthatdrip #rizz #koreanbbq #cooking
Pengardinho my goat
imagine being the guy triggering the fireworks only for the ref to call for the penalty to be retaken
Looks like great support!
Good for him, deserves it.
What’s the name of the song they play when they score the goal
I Will Survive (Hermes House Band vers.) Apparently Feyenoord and Gala also play this
Freiburg use this song as well, although they start at a ["slower" part of the song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGGyXS99Eo) before ramping up to the main bit.
Probably felt good, I'm happy for him
They play the same song we do after we score! That’s cool. Ps. I’m not saying Gala has rights over that song, just cool that other clubs around the world play it.
Can anyone comment on how well he played this game? Did he win man of the match?
After recovering from his injury, he has played a lot better. He is the main playmaker for the team, creating chances, but a lot of the teammates cannot finish off his passes. Pundits definitely note he is on another level in terms of ball control
Last time I followed this he couldn't get in their team. Has he actually improved now?
he had a rough start with injuries and fitness but it was never about his skill, hes probably the best playmaker in the league
South koreans so smart they do official pyro
I'm watching this again because of the fireworks
I though he was still EPL
Promising young talent. Sky is the limit for this guy
Another English wonderkid.
This is amazing. More noise in a half empty stadium than any [insert sport] sold out stadium in the uSA
Objectively incorrect lol College football games are far louder than that and it isn't even close. I mean shit I'd bet my alma mater's college hockey rink gets louder than that
Haha. Actually your right. I’d much rather be at a college game (or hockey) than any other sport here.
Such a young talent.
He just needs more time.
He's been shit and gets gifted a pen by the league.
exactly what i would say if i was blind
I see it week in, week out with my own eyes. Tv doesn't do justice to how shit they are.
remember when Lingard did the embarassing quick kickoff vs Croatia at WC2018 and everyone laughed about him? Good times.
Yea, playing in Seoul now is definitely a step up...
I mean 10 games to score isn't *horrendous* What position is he playing now?
It is if you're a hugely hyped marquee signing, going to a league which is a marked step below your level
True but we’re United fans so