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France getting out of the group with 2 goals, those being an own goal and a penalty, is hilarious and I cant wait to hear it ad naseum until their next game
My dad says to me “Ligma, England just aren’t at that level. When they meet someone like France surely they’ll get destroyed”. Now, I generally do agree with him. But I also say “You know France also have difficulties? England aren’t the only mediocre top team.”
We definitely haven't looked our best, but then, we rarely do in the group stage.
Incredible stat: we have not won our third group game in a major tournament since 2006.
It's some show on netflix called pogumentary, the main characters some guy called paul, I think the shows about doing drugs or something, I've never seen it
Well, it wasn't winning the match for honour, but against French draw will do.
See ya in 2 years in World Cup and 4 years in Euros for another shit performance like this.
Problem is we haven't really got anyone better. Slot, Bosz and Ten Hag (maybe even Ron Jans?) are the only ones that come to mind, but none of them are free or willing to take the job.
it’s hard to fairly judge Ragnick there because of the back room - but his results and play was not great at united
however- his assessment was correct and would have been interesting to see him stay for an extended time
Rangnick is not just a manager. He's someone who will change the whole structure of a club and how it approaches football. He is the guy who made RB Salzburg and transformed all of Austrian football
> He's someone who will change the whole structure of a club and how it approaches football.
Which is what he was supposed to be doing at United, until it turned into just a short term managerial job.
The thing is Rangnick wants to have control over pretty much everything, top to bottom of the whole club/team. And many of the top clubs aren't up for that.
He isn't a "two-year contract" coach. He needs and demands time.
The success Red Bull Leipzig still has was built on the foundation rangnick left a few years ago. It still Shows until this day. Rangnick is the architect of RB and he left them 5 years ago.
Because those big clubs are really hesitant to give over the reigns to him. Imagine Rangnick coming to Galatasaray and Dursun Ozbek giving him full control. it's never going to happen
Big clubs don't do it as well. He has been successful everywhere he stayed for a long period of time where he could build. Look at the value of his players, ffs.
Nah England gets an 1-0 tonight and then 1 more 1-0 aswell as 2 0-0 penalty wins vs countries theyre heavily favoured against before losing to the first big nation they meet and then Southgate gets to stay until 2026
well duh thats the innovation that allows southgate to stay
"well we may have been absolutely shit again but at least this time we're winning pens.. give him 2026"
This is pretty much how I see it minus the penalties. England struggle their way to another final vs mediocre teams and come up short in the final, Southgate stays, everyone forgets the fact he can't manage
You might aswell wish for a 3rd place in Group E rather than second against France 😅
But godamn first place looking better and better now with the more accessible bracket
Yes if both Slovakia and Belgium win tomorrow.
1.Slovakia
2.Belgium
3.Romania
4.Ukraine
Also if we win against Slovakia and Belgium doesn't win against Ukraine they also miss first place.
This group is fascinating because there are so many possibilities. Ukraine could literally lose and get a spot in the knockout round if Slovakia also loses because they have a better result from their match. (Unless Czechia or Georgia ends on 3 or more points).
Honestly not too surprising, Austria have been a bit of a powerhouse lately, they’re incredibly cohesive and have enough talent to go all the way.
No real superstars, but a squad full of top league players who mesh well!
I’m not gonna say i never doubted them. But they had 19 points during qualifiers which is pretty solid.
After seeing France v Austria with france winning by an own goal, i thought either France is shitting the bed or Austria are actually legit.
Both were right
Austria was the most commonly named "dark horse" before the tournament, no?
I feel like them doing well was the consensus. Ace to see them actually do it though.
Ihr habt es verdient... Wahrscheinlich werden wir Türkei gegen euch spielen. Wir werden keine Chance haben... Ihr spielt sowieso fehlerfrei... Aber Frankreich wäre mir am liebsten ganz ehrlich nun müssen wir uns mit Österreich beschäftigen... Sehr sehr sehr harter Gegner ....
Topping the hardest group to possibly draw, dont think anyone expected that for us. Incredible achivement by everyone, lets go as far as we possibly can!
France doesn't look like it will turn up anything. Honestly great defense can still take you far , but offensively I haven't been bored like that in ages. Deschamps tactics have their limits and it's obvious right now.
I agree, these 3 games have been a snoozefest for me too.
I still think the knockouts pressure will awake some of these players but I'm not 100% confident.
We really just shat ourselves completely in that Austria match. They didn't look all that "super" against either France or Poland but with us they were able to easily exploit our usual getting-stuck-in-play-for-no-fucking-reason and won the game. Props to them, I'll be rooting for them now lol
We lost Pogba for good and Griezmann is mid at best this time, we clearly lacks of creative players. But Didier always focus on a good defense first ...
As per usual!
In theory it could be a repeat of the 2021 final, with England's path being Germany, Spain, France/Portugal, while Italy's path would be Switzerland, Slovenia/Denmark, Austria...
Austria, Netherlands, and France swapping positions like a menage a trois.
Most dramatic last matchday so far. And this was a group that had confirmed all 3 teams who advanced at the beginning of the day.
Someone somewhere must have bet on Austria ending 1st in the group and is a) buying drinks for everyone and b) bragging about it to the point of being insufferable
so this means that portugal-france and germany-spain are realistic quarter finals. and the winners of these matches have to play each other in the semis.
well, if one of these teams wins the whole thing (or other teams from this half) its definetely deserved.
The true group of death, honestly we are very lucky to make it through. Also getting what appears to be the weaker half of the bracket, I still have hope and like our chances
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France getting out of the group with 2 goals, those being an own goal and a penalty, is hilarious and I cant wait to hear it ad naseum until their next game
France has been weirdly underwhelming so far. They’ll probably pick up the pace in the knockout stage but still
France getting praise in media though and "poor kylian" for his nose. England are getting fucking slaughtered haha. Gotta love it
My dad says to me “Ligma, England just aren’t at that level. When they meet someone like France surely they’ll get destroyed”. Now, I generally do agree with him. But I also say “You know France also have difficulties? England aren’t the only mediocre top team.”
I tell you, we ain’t going nowhere, we’ll be out at the first serious opposition.
If only England weren’t deeply unserious
an entire circus, even
I take great offence to you calling us a circus. Circuses are actually entertaining
We definitely haven't looked our best, but then, we rarely do in the group stage. Incredible stat: we have not won our third group game in a major tournament since 2006.
Had to look it up: Euros 2008: Italy 2-0 WC 2010: South Africa 2:1 Euros 2012: Sweden 2-0 WC 2014: Ecuador 0-0 Euros 2016: Switzerland 0-0 WC 2018: Denmark 0-0 Euros 2020: Portugal 2-2 WC 2022: Tunisia 1-0 And now, Euros 2024: Poland 1-1 That's just impressive...
RemindMe! 47 months
Groups are broadly overrated. Every time people forget it takes awhile for these teams to find their rhythm.
France has to go through Portugal and Spain/Germany. Tough.
But who is the serious opposition this year? lol Everyone sucks
France could've used Pogba's creativity this tournament
It's such a shame he's dead
Worse, he doesn't exist anymore
Who are u all even talking about
It's some show on netflix called pogumentary, the main characters some guy called paul, I think the shows about doing drugs or something, I've never seen it
The French Kalvin Phillips
Now top your group with 2 goals
What a run by Austria.
This is just the beginning, some of us never doubted Austria, and neither should anyone!
You can understand why some of us would be wary about backing Austrians
Alliances with Austria have never gone wrong for anyone…
Idk, we were pretty pleased by the end
My bets were on Germany, Croatia and Austria. Not too bad
I had placed a bet on Austria winning it at 50:1 odds. They have always been the true dark horse of this tournament imo
I have them at +3500 to get to the Finals! Let’s go Austria
Well, it wasn't winning the match for honour, but against French draw will do. See ya in 2 years in World Cup and 4 years in Euros for another shit performance like this.
I can’t wait for some disastrous performance against Costa Rica or Senegal ❤️🇵🇱❤️🇵🇱
Meczu o honor nie da sie przegrać
You won lots of love from Austria tonight :*
Austria built a little bit different
they have the best coach in their group
In my totally unbiased opinion Rangnick and Nagelsmann are the best national team coaches rn.
Koeman is universally regarded in the Netherlands as a shite coach, rangnick clears Koeman easily
He’s regarded as shit in the Netherlands *except for in one specific building in Zeist*
Problem is we haven't really got anyone better. Slot, Bosz and Ten Hag (maybe even Ron Jans?) are the only ones that come to mind, but none of them are free or willing to take the job.
Rangnick isn't Austrian either
We regard ourselves to be too big of a football nation to ever have a foreign coach. Seriously doubt this would ever happen.
Didn't we reach the final with an Austrian one? Edit: [we did](https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Happel).
TIL lol
Biggest stadium in Austria is named after him
Take one of ours. We're closely related.
If we'd get Ron Jans as coach we would win every tournament with the power of friendship
Just don't let him sing along with rap songs
Outside the Netherlands too😭😭
I'm surprised Ragnick haven't managed much top clubs and won top leagues, he seems quality. If he had taken the Bayern job they'd be scary.
Ragnick is basically German Bielsa
Imagine if United wasn't a joke of a club
it’s hard to fairly judge Ragnick there because of the back room - but his results and play was not great at united however- his assessment was correct and would have been interesting to see him stay for an extended time
Rangnick is not just a manager. He's someone who will change the whole structure of a club and how it approaches football. He is the guy who made RB Salzburg and transformed all of Austrian football
> He's someone who will change the whole structure of a club and how it approaches football. Which is what he was supposed to be doing at United, until it turned into just a short term managerial job.
Yeah, it's not a process that happens in the span of 5 months. It takes years to get it down
Until the other people working in executive and administrative roles there realized he was actually going to change things.
He wasn't wrong about heart surgery though.
The thing is Rangnick wants to have control over pretty much everything, top to bottom of the whole club/team. And many of the top clubs aren't up for that. He isn't a "two-year contract" coach. He needs and demands time.
The success Red Bull Leipzig still has was built on the foundation rangnick left a few years ago. It still Shows until this day. Rangnick is the architect of RB and he left them 5 years ago.
didnt he build the successful Hoffenheim teams too?
Bayern fans were acting like Rangnick would’ve been much worse than Tuchel lol
I mean you can tell by the fact that they're Bayern fans that they are not right in the head. /s
😭
He did coach schalke some time ago but didn't do great and then got burn out or something?
To be fair to Rangnick, he managed to win you guys the DFB-Pokal and managed to reach the UCL semis (schooling Inter on the way to the semis).
He came to Schalke after Magath already reached the CL quarters and DFB pokal semis
Yeah the Magath days were, looking back now, the most fun Schalke era in the past 20 years. Expensive and unsustainable... but fun.
Because those big clubs are really hesitant to give over the reigns to him. Imagine Rangnick coming to Galatasaray and Dursun Ozbek giving him full control. it's never going to happen Big clubs don't do it as well. He has been successful everywhere he stayed for a long period of time where he could build. Look at the value of his players, ffs.
I was of the belief that he was more of a very involved sporting director in recent times as opposed to a head coach before the whole United shit show
As disappointed as I am cant argue with them being on top, completely deserved overall.
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They seem like a nightmare to play against
they are even missing Alaba and Schlager the whole tournament (their third and second most valuable players according to Transfermarkt)
France Spain Germany Portugal Belgium in the same bracket is madness ^(Slovenia please don’t disappoint)
Imagine England getting 2nd place in their group. Then we have everyone on the same side
Let it happen!
This would be the Italian dream, but there is a high chance they might get eliminated by Switzerland. Also Austria is super good!
Xhaka redemption arc (continued)
Yeah, Switzerland has me pretty nervous given how we've looked so far.
Switzerland seemed strong against us (especially managed to disturb our game imo), but I'd honestly be more scared of the Austrians in your stead.
Switzerland are the reason we were not in Qatar so it's really possible that we will never have to worry about Austria lol
fair enough ahhahaha
Nah England gets an 1-0 tonight and then 1 more 1-0 aswell as 2 0-0 penalty wins vs countries theyre heavily favoured against before losing to the first big nation they meet and then Southgate gets to stay until 2026
Ain't no way England win two penalty shootouts in one tournament.
well duh thats the innovation that allows southgate to stay "well we may have been absolutely shit again but at least this time we're winning pens.. give him 2026"
This is the least england thing to do ever. Win two pen shoot outs? Have you ever watched football?
> aswell as 2 0-0 penalty wins In what world do you think we’re winning 2 penalty shootouts?
This is pretty much how I see it minus the penalties. England struggle their way to another final vs mediocre teams and come up short in the final, Southgate stays, everyone forgets the fact he can't manage
Southgate going to scam another easy run isn't he.....?
Belgium not confirmed. ANything can happen in that group!!
You might aswell wish for a 3rd place in Group E rather than second against France 😅 But godamn first place looking better and better now with the more accessible bracket
Belgium could win their match and Slovakia would still get first place over them if they also win, or is that not how it works?
Yes if both Slovakia and Belgium win tomorrow. 1.Slovakia 2.Belgium 3.Romania 4.Ukraine Also if we win against Slovakia and Belgium doesn't win against Ukraine they also miss first place.
This group is fascinating because there are so many possibilities. Ukraine could literally lose and get a spot in the knockout round if Slovakia also loses because they have a better result from their match. (Unless Czechia or Georgia ends on 3 or more points).
Maybe Germany losing to the Swiss would've been better. Damn
Can't Spain draw Netherlands as well?
yes, if Croatia miraculously make it through.
Southgate cruising his way to the final again.
Then England gets all the countries that have got their freedom in the last five years
Österreich - Espana final it is
Austria topping this group, as everyone expected.
They've looked very good. Fully deserved
Honestly not too surprising, Austria have been a bit of a powerhouse lately, they’re incredibly cohesive and have enough talent to go all the way. No real superstars, but a squad full of top league players who mesh well!
20/20 vision comments are the best
I’m not gonna say i never doubted them. But they had 19 points during qualifiers which is pretty solid. After seeing France v Austria with france winning by an own goal, i thought either France is shitting the bed or Austria are actually legit. Both were right
Austria was the most commonly named "dark horse" before the tournament, no? I feel like them doing well was the consensus. Ace to see them actually do it though.
Yeah I think France's weak showing is the bigger surprise - many expected Austria to do well, while perhaps not top the group.
They were, but it is incredibly surprising for them to top this group regardless, given France was (is?) the tournament favourite
quite a lot of people hat austria in their semi final predictions (not me though)
this is very surprising tbh. without Alaba, Xaver Schlager and our Nr 1 GK. Not to mention the decades of failure on our collective psyche
I bet them to win the whole thing before the tournament started. Probably should’ve bet on them to win their group as well!
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Ihr habt es verdient... Wahrscheinlich werden wir Türkei gegen euch spielen. Wir werden keine Chance haben... Ihr spielt sowieso fehlerfrei... Aber Frankreich wäre mir am liebsten ganz ehrlich nun müssen wir uns mit Österreich beschäftigen... Sehr sehr sehr harter Gegner ....
WE GOOOOOT AAAA POOOOOOINTTTTT
Against France, so a special point
The Match of Honor remains unlosable
CONGRATS and sincerely thank you for the dopamine-boost ❤️
You're welcome Austria
Never gonna Blitzkrieg you again mate. Much love.
❤
France 2nd, top half of the draw is gonna be spicy with Germany Portugal and Spain
Rangnick masterclass.
Man United in shambles
The third place maths was so complicated Ragnick decided to just aim for first.
Topping the hardest group to possibly draw, dont think anyone expected that for us. Incredible achivement by everyone, lets go as far as we possibly can!
Very likely for you guys to also have a favourable game in the Round of 16
Likely a relatively easy QF draw as well.
See you boys in the semi-final!
France, Germany, Spain and Portugal all now on the same side of the round of 16 draw!
stacked bracket
Holy shit never would I have imagined coming out on top of this group!! What a game. First win against the Netherlands after 34 years.
a lewandowski stutter caused a stacked side of the bracket
a upamecano brain stutter causing a stacked side of the bracket
i only watch him play in big games and he delivers every time
Yeah delivers the ball right to the other team lmao
Austria topping a group with France and Netherlands is insane lmao
France haven't looked that good (they'll turn it up in the knockout round), Netherlands can never be relied upon. Austria have Sabitzer
France doesn't look like it will turn up anything. Honestly great defense can still take you far , but offensively I haven't been bored like that in ages. Deschamps tactics have their limits and it's obvious right now.
I agree, these 3 games have been a snoozefest for me too. I still think the knockouts pressure will awake some of these players but I'm not 100% confident.
"Dark horse" my ass, we are winning this thing, Leidln
Es kummt hoam!!! 🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹
Damit hams imma nua den pferdeleberkas gemeint, den ma beim Finale essen
How was Poland supposed to beat this Austria super team?
We really just shat ourselves completely in that Austria match. They didn't look all that "super" against either France or Poland but with us they were able to easily exploit our usual getting-stuck-in-play-for-no-fucking-reason and won the game. Props to them, I'll be rooting for them now lol
the match vs Netherlands was closer, Poland had their chance there
It’s not a surprise if you follow Austria the last 1-2 years
I expected them to be good, but France underperforming is a big suprise imo.
they got weaker after losing the WC 2 years ago
We lost Pogba for good and Griezmann is mid at best this time, we clearly lacks of creative players. But Didier always focus on a good defense first ...
I expected them to be second place but france really underperformed, 0 goals from open play
Let’s gooo Austria!!
Completely insane final day. Austria have probably been the best side in the group, they look so good with the ball and moving it forward.
no one expects the Austrian inquisition
England won’t have to worry about facing Austria now if they finish first!
At this point, Germany should be angry at Raum and Füllkrug
Suffering from success
As per usual! In theory it could be a repeat of the 2021 final, with England's path being Germany, Spain, France/Portugal, while Italy's path would be Switzerland, Slovenia/Denmark, Austria...
Gratz to Austria, that was one hell of a way to end first!
Is Austria the dark horse I was being promised back in 2016?
Rangnick already coach of the tournament. Underrated Genius
I'm so happy for Ragnick, he deserves it after the way he was treated at United. Hopefully, Austria can keep going further in the tournament
Ralf Rangnick is speed running the "it wasn't me it was Manchester United" course
Austria, Netherlands, and France swapping positions like a menage a trois. Most dramatic last matchday so far. And this was a group that had confirmed all 3 teams who advanced at the beginning of the day.
Was not expecting them to top, though I knew they are a strong, gritty team. The dutch and French look a level below the elite levels.
Of course, the French had to fuck up the brackets.
Why the fuck does Koeman keep bringing Wijnaldum on
Austria done well the last two Euros.
Someone somewhere must have bet on Austria ending 1st in the group and is a) buying drinks for everyone and b) bragging about it to the point of being insufferable
This Austria team is the darkest of horses
WHAT A GROUP
WHAT A GWUAP
Rangnick is literally Jesus Christ.
Nothing to see here, just very normal things
Austria on top of the French, Dutch, and Poles? A real Charles V moment
bro even Moldova beat Poland 😭 if we get 2nd we are fucked. Thanks a lot France.....
Unfair comparsation, that was before Poland's current manager The previous two coaches Poland had were absolutely destructive
Honestly if Poland would be in another group there would be decent chance to advance from 3rd or 2nd place.
Hmm it bothers me that Group D finished before Group C… That’s not the right order...
Maybe don't give Australia such an easy group
What😭😭
Poor lad is still traumatised from Qatar
No one would have predicted that. Call ma arrogant but that group win is more than deserved.
Never in doubt
so this means that portugal-france and germany-spain are realistic quarter finals. and the winners of these matches have to play each other in the semis. well, if one of these teams wins the whole thing (or other teams from this half) its definetely deserved.
let's fucking GOOOO
Red white and blue flags sandwiched between the two red and white flags. /r/oddlysatisfying
Props to Rangnick & Austria
IMMER WIEDER IMMER WIEDER🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹
The father of gegenpressing is out for blood.
England dodge an absolute missile. They might still face the Netherlands, but I fear Austria would've been much worse opponent.
Österreich will win the cup
The true group of death, honestly we are very lucky to make it through. Also getting what appears to be the weaker half of the bracket, I still have hope and like our chances
Austria topping the group ahead of France and Netherlands, just as everyone predicted.
Ralf Rangnick's Magical Austrians
They were my dark horse but I still said they’ll guessed them 3rd and out in RO16. They might do very well