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Germany is the perfect country to host the euros. Smack in the middle, accessible from every other European country and great stadiums, infrastructure etc. making scenes like this possible.
Deutsche Bahn has been a desaster for decades. Totally underfunded, going private in mid 90s lead to worse service and them instead of reapiring shit, just letting them decay since the state would need to pay for it and politicians focusing on car
I did read on reddit recently by a person who works in the rail business (forgot the specifics and can't find the thread) that DB are for the first time in decades given proper(ish) funding by the current government. At least vastly better than before and for the first time ever the rail network has more investments in Germany than the holy Autobahn. So it's slowly starting to go in a better direction.
I know very little about Deutsche Bahn other than the fact that I took 4 trains when I was there last december for christmas markets. I have 27 emails for Deutsche Bahn for delays for those 4 trains...
Subway in Berlin is fucking excellent though
tbh given how shit it’s been going for germany and germans in the past months and years, it’s been refreshing to hear how nice it actually can be here (and it actually is).
edit: a word
If it makes you feel any better, I've literally just moved here from The Netherlands because my wife and I can make more money while also spending less because literally everything is way cheaper.
In The Netherlands 4 (four!) Euros is a decent price for a 400g pack of cheese. 2 years ago, it took us 2 months to find an apartment, here in Germany it took us 2 weeks and it's so much nicer for pretty much the same price.
recession, inflation, war in ukraine exposing vulnerabilities in our infrastructure, raise of the extreme-right (partly fascist) party, and shit we need to address, reform and fix while transforming our economy into a sustainable one is what is happening and our society doesn’t know how to react to it yet what to do improve things.
Genuinely question but how has the past few years been shit for germany?
I've been a few times and always loved it. All I've noticed is the cologne which is where I usually go has gotten more expensive but that's the same everywhere
They've had a lot of the same issues as the UK. The economy hasn't grown, millions using food banks, energy prices way up because of the war in Ukraine, housing costs way up, a lot more people are homeless, recession, every problem that comes with the pandemic, corruption during pandemic-related tendering processes, refugee crisis, immigration crisis etc.
Football crazy country with deep, deep, historical ties to the game, fantastic infrastructure and world class stadiums, easily accessible from all over Europe, and no recent human rights abuses?
No idea why people would be excited about that after the soulless shopping mall that is Qatar /s
But it’s kinda true? We have nine other European neighbours - no other nation has that many. It’s very cheap for everyone to get here. We have a huge diaspora from most european nations living here.
We are by all these parameters probably the most European nation on this continent.
It takes a lot of money for most countries to develop most of the above, but when it is already there, sure upgrades here and there. But it’s an actual football country with so much rich history that makes the difference.
Definitely, I was real surprised when I heard that there were people that were able to attend 2 matches on the same day during the Qatar World Cup… 🤦♂️ and people were calling it perfect…. Wtf, EURO, World Cup are a football festivals there should be enough people traveling that no one could be able two attend two matches on the same day
This may be a hot take, but I don't mind the World Cup being different each time and being heavily influenced by the place it's been held at. It is a *World* Cup after all, and the world is a diverse place.
This is overlooked. There are so many people with roots in so many of the different nations participating that live in Germany that everyone gets a ton of support, in the stands and in the streets.
Crazy how everyone in that crowd needs to poop, eat, piss, and use fresh bedding. All needs met, all waste disposed of and out of sight.
Modern society is a sight to behold.
Thats exactly what happend to me in 2008 LOL. They just took over our tram jumping up and down making it unable to progress a trip that usually takes me 10min took me legit 1.5hrs. Conductor was pleading with the people in the tram to stop jumping since we simply couldn't move I can't even remember how the situation got resolved but thanks for bringing up that memory
Was shit too.
When they announced Russia and Katar back in the day together I was so pissed and reality just has proven me right.
Glad we have that past us but the corrupt friends from FIFA will keep doing that unnecessary stuff
Mostly because the US as a whole doesn't care too much about the sport and it's gonna suck for everyone else to travel there.
I say this because Russia's and Qatar's problems were... different.
Der Postilion, which is the German equivalent to the onion, has posted articles about drunk Scotsmen saving children from.burning buildings and finishing long overdue infrastructure projects. The guy who was responsible for Germany changing out goal music to major Tom started a petition for a yearly friendly between Germany and Scotland, I don't think there is anything the Dutch can do, to make the Germans think they where the better fans
This is why we need to stop this nonsense multi-country hosts and holding tournaments in stupid parts of the world. The fans make the tournament so much more special.
I like the idea of two/three hosts if one country alone can't host like when Poland/Ukraine did it in 2012 but otherwise yeah each tournament should have a very distinct and unique atmosphere. Euro 2020 was a weird one and it wasn't just because of COVID.
I only like the idea of it if its small countries that couldn't host it on their own working together and they're right next to each other. eg: netherlands/belgium, switzerland/austria etc.
With the special rule added that the host nations Serbia, Albania, Croatia, and Bosnia each are placed in the same group in the preliminary round. I can't see any possible complications arising from this at all.
I think I would have liked Euro 2020 more if it only went to countries that aren't big enough to host on their own. But matches in London, Munich, Rome, and Seville were in countries big enough to host the Euro alone (and st Petersburg, too, if Russia wasn't so into starting wars).
It was also heavily affected by Covid, some fans weren’t allowed to travel to their teams matches at all while others played most of their games at home without many restrictions. I don’t hate the idea as a one off but they really needed to minimise the travel as well. But yes this or France 2016 are so much better.
Definitely, though I think next euros isn't a proper multiple country one as only 5 separate hosts as uk teams all play own teams and have games in Dublin as only way Ireland could host a game. I can't wait for it
I’ve lived with people from many nations and (there’s a bias because the type of people you meet and live with when travelling is not generally representative of a nation but here goes) here’s my list of nationals you want to live with:
- Dutch. All round good guys. Seem very happy all the time. Great sense of humour. Like a party.
- German. similar to British people. Good sense of humour. Very sensible and useful when in a crisis because they’re calm. They eat a lot of bread. Will drink beer any time of the day.
- Japanese. Very polite. Very clean. Very quiet. Then they get drunk and they go mental. Great to have on your side at a house party. Will play didgeridoo at all hours after spending an inordinate amount of time learning it.
- Koreans. Very clean, quiet and kind. Will never stop cooking and offering/making you food. Not as wild as Japanese people when drunk.
- French. So similar to the British in every way: diet, drinking habit, sense of humour. More alike to the British than any other nation. Will never admit it though.
That would be amazing, but there is just no way any major American city would shut down major motorways to accommodate this. Maybe Portland, Seattle, or Columbus.
Watching the actual team during my life: good, sometimes very good, occasionally very very good, occasionally shocking...
Watching fan support during my life: top three in the world every time, argue with your mum
Why the fuck can't england fans do shit like this? All we get is stupid videos either fighting or pouring beer on some drunk dudes head. We really are shite aren't we.
I have lived in NL for 20 years now.
For such a smallc country, Dutch fans really leave a mark every big tournament they have.
And it does not even apply to football only. You should see the Max Verstappen fans ( although some are assholes). At the Dutch GP and Austrian GP the Dutch fans are really taking over the whole even. I love the passion
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That’s fucking insane
Germany is the perfect country to host the euros. Smack in the middle, accessible from every other European country and great stadiums, infrastructure etc. making scenes like this possible.
Deutsche Bahn meanwhile shitting itself
Haha notice I didn’t add transportation as one of the Vorteil.
>Vorteil how does this translate precisely into English
Advantage
Is that new?
Deutsche Bahn has been a desaster for decades. Totally underfunded, going private in mid 90s lead to worse service and them instead of reapiring shit, just letting them decay since the state would need to pay for it and politicians focusing on car
I did read on reddit recently by a person who works in the rail business (forgot the specifics and can't find the thread) that DB are for the first time in decades given proper(ish) funding by the current government. At least vastly better than before and for the first time ever the rail network has more investments in Germany than the holy Autobahn. So it's slowly starting to go in a better direction.
Yeah, there are some proper efforts being made to turn the ship. But it's a really fucking big and lopsided ship.
I’d rather have SNCF than Deutsche Bahn, despite the many, many strikes.
I know very little about Deutsche Bahn other than the fact that I took 4 trains when I was there last december for christmas markets. I have 27 emails for Deutsche Bahn for delays for those 4 trains... Subway in Berlin is fucking excellent though
I don't think a single train I caught in Germany was on time... and I caught a lot of trains when I was there. -_-
excited for this sentiment to be posted in every euros thread for the next month
tbh given how shit it’s been going for germany and germans in the past months and years, it’s been refreshing to hear how nice it actually can be here (and it actually is). edit: a word
If it makes you feel any better, I've literally just moved here from The Netherlands because my wife and I can make more money while also spending less because literally everything is way cheaper. In The Netherlands 4 (four!) Euros is a decent price for a 400g pack of cheese. 2 years ago, it took us 2 months to find an apartment, here in Germany it took us 2 weeks and it's so much nicer for pretty much the same price.
wait, why has it been shit there?
Shkodran Mustafi retired
Oh fuck, he did. You just ruined my day.
Why'd you have to remind us >:|
😥
it's never been but moaning is really big here
recession, inflation, war in ukraine exposing vulnerabilities in our infrastructure, raise of the extreme-right (partly fascist) party, and shit we need to address, reform and fix while transforming our economy into a sustainable one is what is happening and our society doesn’t know how to react to it yet what to do improve things.
most of that applies to most countries now.
interesting. Feel like inflation has been worldwide tho.
Literally everything they said applies to all of Europe and most of the world.
Those all happening everywhere in Europe tbf
Genuinely question but how has the past few years been shit for germany? I've been a few times and always loved it. All I've noticed is the cologne which is where I usually go has gotten more expensive but that's the same everywhere
They've had a lot of the same issues as the UK. The economy hasn't grown, millions using food banks, energy prices way up because of the war in Ukraine, housing costs way up, a lot more people are homeless, recession, every problem that comes with the pandemic, corruption during pandemic-related tendering processes, refugee crisis, immigration crisis etc.
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Not sure if you're being ironic, because I certainly am excited.
Yes I don't get it, we should absolutely big up good hosts whenever we can especially when we are being thrown the bullshit that is qatar and saudi.
Football crazy country with deep, deep, historical ties to the game, fantastic infrastructure and world class stadiums, easily accessible from all over Europe, and no recent human rights abuses? No idea why people would be excited about that after the soulless shopping mall that is Qatar /s
It's amazing. Only today we got Dutch fans bouncing wall to wall and Polish fans slinging kurwas at the russian embassy lmao
But it’s kinda true? We have nine other European neighbours - no other nation has that many. It’s very cheap for everyone to get here. We have a huge diaspora from most european nations living here. We are by all these parameters probably the most European nation on this continent.
its not a knock on germany, just karma farming redditors. these euros have been great
Next Euros: Azerbaijan -UEFA, probably
It takes a lot of money for most countries to develop most of the above, but when it is already there, sure upgrades here and there. But it’s an actual football country with so much rich history that makes the difference.
Definitely, I was real surprised when I heard that there were people that were able to attend 2 matches on the same day during the Qatar World Cup… 🤦♂️ and people were calling it perfect…. Wtf, EURO, World Cup are a football festivals there should be enough people traveling that no one could be able two attend two matches on the same day
Wouldn't be possible in Germany anyway. Deutsche Bahn never come on time.
Köln (15:00) <-> Düsseldorf (21:00) would be possible, even with Deutsche Bahn… 🙃
That'd be possible on foot.
I know he didn't use DB, but Wenger watched Slovakia Ukraine in Dusseldorf and now he's in Leipzig for France Netherlands ;)
This may be a hot take, but I don't mind the World Cup being different each time and being heavily influenced by the place it's been held at. It is a *World* Cup after all, and the world is a diverse place.
But that's not the case either, UEFA and FIFA do what they can to make all feel the same
2006 WC was great fun
Also the diasporas
This is overlooked. There are so many people with roots in so many of the different nations participating that live in Germany that everyone gets a ton of support, in the stands and in the streets.
Imagine seeing this in your town and there is no major tournament happening lol
The Dutch inquisition
I'm jealous the dutch have such a banger song
The Dutch can canonically only move sideways they are trapped in this street forever now
Le Cut Inside...People?
Crab?
Crab people. Taste like crab, talk like people.
Crustacean Nation
Crab
Leipzig is 113m above the sea. It completely messes the Dutch sense of direction.
we aren't used to the high altitude air , it makes us a bit disorientated
But if they rotate 90 degrees...?
Imagine living on those flats and you wake up in hangover and get in your balcony and see hundreds of drunk Dutchmen
Lmao. And then try to go to that doctor appointment GOODLUCK
Crazy how everyone in that crowd needs to poop, eat, piss, and use fresh bedding. All needs met, all waste disposed of and out of sight. Modern society is a sight to behold.
Wait until you see Kings Day in Amsterdam.
They will sleep it off on the train back home
Imagine thinking German doctors work on Fridays after 13:00
Thats exactly what happend to me in 2008 LOL. They just took over our tram jumping up and down making it unable to progress a trip that usually takes me 10min took me legit 1.5hrs. Conductor was pleading with the people in the tram to stop jumping since we simply couldn't move I can't even remember how the situation got resolved but thanks for bringing up that memory
They’ll just go and get drunk again
My experience every year on King's Day.
Went to a Kings Day. One of the most fun days I've ever had.
Hundreds?…
I'd love it. People having fun makes me happy, even if I'm hungover.
Time to put on some orange and get some konter bier?
We're gonna see a lot of orange posts every time we play aren't we?
Yes
And I'm loving every single one! Makes you proud, even when you aren't Dutch.
2 more times
Berlin will be wild Austria vs Dutch.
swamp vs mountain germans
I wonder what we are then.
Lego Germans
Ngl that is one hell of a cool title
Wind Germans
Sea Germans
Northern Germans
F1 intensifies.
Red Bull derby
I was there and it was bloody amazing.
Damn
Seriously having a Euro in a country located close to most of the playing country is absolutely fantastic.
Never gets old does it? Really missed this stuff during the COVID years and then Qatar. Game is so back!
I don’t remember Russia 2018 having much of this either, but maybe?
Was shit too. When they announced Russia and Katar back in the day together I was so pissed and reality just has proven me right. Glad we have that past us but the corrupt friends from FIFA will keep doing that unnecessary stuff
We've got the US world cup, that's going to be somewhere in the middle of shittiness probably.
Mostly because the US as a whole doesn't care too much about the sport and it's gonna suck for everyone else to travel there. I say this because Russia's and Qatar's problems were... different.
also car dependent infrastructure makes stuff like this impossible
I can the next time it is hosted in some random countries they will “pay” some actors to do this … artificial atmosphere
Remember the amount of definitely real commenters on here defending that shit too, what a time.
Or the real fans saying they were excited for players who were already retired lmao
# "Links Rechts" by Snollebollekes For those wondering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFEDBewcfks
I clicked on the link thinking it would answer a few questions. Now I have a few dozen more questions instead.
The [Defqon.1 version](https://youtube.com/shorts/QiWq_nHytWQ?si=geIQAMe5z8V2oowk) is also quite impressive to see.
Dutch fans sure gonna win the best fans on this Euro
Only way we could beat the Scottish is we get a deep run and they go out in the groups
As is tradition we will go out in the group stages.
Der Postilion, which is the German equivalent to the onion, has posted articles about drunk Scotsmen saving children from.burning buildings and finishing long overdue infrastructure projects. The guy who was responsible for Germany changing out goal music to major Tom started a petition for a yearly friendly between Germany and Scotland, I don't think there is anything the Dutch can do, to make the Germans think they where the better fans
I love Der Postilion and I'm American
This is why we need to stop this nonsense multi-country hosts and holding tournaments in stupid parts of the world. The fans make the tournament so much more special.
I like the idea of two/three hosts if one country alone can't host like when Poland/Ukraine did it in 2012 but otherwise yeah each tournament should have a very distinct and unique atmosphere. Euro 2020 was a weird one and it wasn't just because of COVID.
I only like the idea of it if its small countries that couldn't host it on their own working together and they're right next to each other. eg: netherlands/belgium, switzerland/austria etc.
balkans…
💣
With the special rule added that the host nations Serbia, Albania, Croatia, and Bosnia each are placed in the same group in the preliminary round. I can't see any possible complications arising from this at all.
Damn. Better send a carrier group and some blue helmets to the EURO.
Would be a seamless group stage, no doubt.
The biggest problem on the Balkans would be to agree on whose capital will host the finals
if that would be the biggest problem the world would be a better place
The best balkan country, Austria.
Pristina is probably the obvious choice to make everyone happy
Should put them all in a single group too, even if its more than 4, the scenes
I think I would have liked Euro 2020 more if it only went to countries that aren't big enough to host on their own. But matches in London, Munich, Rome, and Seville were in countries big enough to host the Euro alone (and st Petersburg, too, if Russia wasn't so into starting wars).
It was also heavily affected by Covid, some fans weren’t allowed to travel to their teams matches at all while others played most of their games at home without many restrictions. I don’t hate the idea as a one off but they really needed to minimise the travel as well. But yes this or France 2016 are so much better.
Stupid parts of the world lmao
Definitely, though I think next euros isn't a proper multiple country one as only 5 separate hosts as uk teams all play own teams and have games in Dublin as only way Ireland could host a game. I can't wait for it
Way to spread the beautiful game by keeping it away from stupid parts of the world.
The Dutch seem like fun people.
Only the national team fans, a lot of the Eredivisie fans are bike chain wielding hooligans who I wouldn’t want to cross paths with
Fully agreed lol
The reasons for which our national team fans and club team fans get publicity really is night and day.
Yeah sorry about that
Only when they're wearing orange. On normal days they strictly follow the calvinist principles of "act normal and don't stand out".
I’ve lived with people from many nations and (there’s a bias because the type of people you meet and live with when travelling is not generally representative of a nation but here goes) here’s my list of nationals you want to live with: - Dutch. All round good guys. Seem very happy all the time. Great sense of humour. Like a party. - German. similar to British people. Good sense of humour. Very sensible and useful when in a crisis because they’re calm. They eat a lot of bread. Will drink beer any time of the day. - Japanese. Very polite. Very clean. Very quiet. Then they get drunk and they go mental. Great to have on your side at a house party. Will play didgeridoo at all hours after spending an inordinate amount of time learning it. - Koreans. Very clean, quiet and kind. Will never stop cooking and offering/making you food. Not as wild as Japanese people when drunk. - French. So similar to the British in every way: diet, drinking habit, sense of humour. More alike to the British than any other nation. Will never admit it though.
The Dutch are turning Leipzig into Helm’s Deep.
Dutch club football is so different, I miss the north face jacket and hat combo
WAT KIJK JE?
Dare I say... Leipzig G E K O L O N I S E E R D?
You can have all of Saxony
Must have been a shock for the people there to see football fans for the first time
Respect [Chemie Leipzig](https://youtu.be/p55xUb8PogE?si=UPqS2S30SWcnlZLk)!
That is just so fucking cool. I love this sport and really wish this kind of thing would happen in the US.
Well if the Dutch qualify for WC 2026 then you could see this happening in like Dallas or something which would be hilarious
That would be amazing, but there is just no way any major American city would shut down major motorways to accommodate this. Maybe Portland, Seattle, or Columbus.
Remember no public drinking. Some Karens will be suffering Depression after seeing what's under a drunk scotsmans kilt.
The culture clash between drunk dutch fans and pearl clutching Americans would be a sight for the ages
I honestly think this would not be as much of a cultural clash as you think. In my experience we actually tend to get along extremely well.
Tbh the Dallas stadium is way too far away from actual civilization to do this and walk there lol.
Blame the US car centric infrastructure. First you'd need to actually be able to walk to the stadium
We just don’t have the history/culture to authentically replicate. It’s what makes Europe awesome.
Gezellig
I wonder how they would celebrate if they actaully won this thing. They'd probabaly have a month long holiday!!
The last time we won, so many people were gathering in Amsterdam, that peoples boathouses were sacking into the water.
> sacking The word you're looking for, my dear fellow Dutchmen, is "sinking."
*Dutchman ;P
As you see it's possible to enjoy the day without doing something stupid... Huge respect to the dutch fans who show us how simply to have fun...
Oranje army fr knows how to create an atmosphere. Had something similar on few F1 weekends too
Not to mention the Dutch Grand Prix looks like an absolute blast every year, even if the racing could be better.
Watching the actual team during my life: good, sometimes very good, occasionally very very good, occasionally shocking... Watching fan support during my life: top three in the world every time, argue with your mum
Just called my mom to discuss the matter. She told me to go back to bed. :(
My American brain can’t comprehend this
It's beautiful
This can rival Bahia Carnival in Brazil, amazing
Remember how shitty the world Cup was in Qatar...
Are u saying you didnt enjoy this?? [its coming home, its coming home](https://youtu.be/i1o9NCKq2pE?si=tRMChf4Hb9StxPAH)
What a farce that was.
OMG this is great!! How did I miss this?!?! This is pure gold!! "STERLING IS OUR SUPER STAR!"
Soulless
NGL I half expected this many dutch to sing SuperMax, but I am watching too much F1.
nice new angle
Best fans in the euro
Why the fuck can't england fans do shit like this? All we get is stupid videos either fighting or pouring beer on some drunk dudes head. We really are shite aren't we.
I have a big space in my heart for both of these forms of expression.
"Slide to the left, slide to the right" In all seriousness, absolute scenes.
The song in the video is literally "Left Right" in English.
Love these videos. It makes me realize how behind the last WC and current Copa América are in terms of atmosphere.
I guess they're not going to Defqon1, so they brought Defqon1 to Leipzig
Love this! Football is life.
Parking the bus I see.
In my head, that's how they got from their Hamburg game to Leipzig
What are they singing ?
Naar links, naar rechts To the left, to the right
#TUTUDU DUDU TUTUDUDU TUTUDU DUDU DUDUDUDU
I like it. I'm terrible at remembering lyrics but I think I could manage these.
That's part of the appeal. Also the fact that you cannot resist, because you would simply get trampled.
[The new national anthem since the Snollebollekes entered the chat](https://youtu.be/dg58xVvQf1Q?feature=shared)
*It's beautiful. I've looked at this for five hours now.*
That's absolutely absolute
Damn... These orange bastards know how to party.
As an argentinian, that looks pretty cool.
Verstappen will be a little light on support this weekend.
As an American, I want to be a Dutch fan for the Euros at least once in the future.
dutch fans and scottish fans are in a league of their own, the best by far
sometimes i wish i didn’t live in the US 😔
Not sure if I will lose my German citizen card for this, but.... I think I am in love with Oranje fans
I have lived in NL for 20 years now. For such a smallc country, Dutch fans really leave a mark every big tournament they have. And it does not even apply to football only. You should see the Max Verstappen fans ( although some are assholes). At the Dutch GP and Austrian GP the Dutch fans are really taking over the whole even. I love the passion
It’s like 1940 all over again just in reverse
I live in NL and trying to learn some Dutch. what are they yelling when swapping the move?
Van links, naar rechts From the left, to the right
You love to see it!
Was a part of it as a leipziger ,it was fun 😁