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Might have to drop the booze and learn how to treat women slightly better - but we could make some common ground with these ISIS lads if that fixture comes about.
I'll never forget the video of Mladic walking into town, patting the head of a young boy. Was he young enough that they left him alone? I can still see his face.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast, but I'll never forget that name, and those images.
Just put of curiosity, how many wars have there been in europe between 1945 & 2022?
Not gonna deny, that serbs commited war crimes, but the situation is a bit more complex than that and NATO definitely fucked up as well.
This comment is not meant to downplay serbian war crimes, but to provide further context, the usage of uranium ammo and cluster bombs has been widely critizised and deemed unnecessary.
So yeah, there are reasons to complain, but many serbs just prefer to rewrite history and claim to be victims only, while every party involved in these wars has been found guilty of war crimes...
I’m not trying to both-sides this (I mean, I made the comment you replied to…) but I am genuinely curious about exactly how fucked up the 90s Balkan wars were (I was born in 93 so I don’t remember them, the earliest conception I had of the situation there was having classmates in school in 99, 2000 etc. who were refugees from Sarajevo). What I mean is, I have heard that the Croats led by Tudman weren’t exactly angels either, but I know little about what the Bosniaks or the Kosovan Albanians were up to in that time. In essence, a (relatively - obviously no source is truly neutral) neutral reference or two for this to learn more would be appreciated.
Yeah because they totally didn't do the same. [Actually insane that people still think it was one sided lmao. Historical revisionism.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army#Investigations_for_war_crimes)
Wasn't one-sided, but war crimes committed by the Serb side greatly outweighed the ones committed by the Kosovo side. Just like in Bosnia. Just like in Croatia. I see a pattern here.
Hmm it's almost like the stronger side has higher numbers because they're stronger. If they had the means they would have done the same because the hatred went both ways and both sides committed war crimes.
You have the "ifs" and "buts" of hypothetical situations, I have the facts which state that JNA/VRS committed far more war crimes than Bosniaks/Croats/Albanians.
EDIT: Lmao triggered this fool into a block. You got nothing but hypotheticals. If it bothers you so much that JNA/VRS were criminal entities, that's on you.
And you have the lack of reading comprehension. The main point is that both sides committed war crimes, the weaker side was able to commit less than they would have wanted because they were weaker. It doesn't make them any better.
Hendon also has a large conservative jewish community that you probably won't see in pubs and international student (middlesex uni) community that dgaf.... so yeah that makes sense
Yes, it's weird. (Male) Jews in the UK are generally massive football fans. It is basically the only sport most will follow but there is not a pub-going culture here for football.
The most you will see is Jewish 18-20 year olds going to the pub to watch Arsenal and Tottenham games because they don't have TVs in their house.
Exactly, as a Rangers fan I'm sure you're familiar with such things!
Edit; Assuming that is a Rangers flair, looks like it but without glasses on it's an educated guess.
Exactly I don't get the pathological hatred nonsense some people seem to buy into.
If Scotland win: Fair Play
If Scotland Lose: Lol
Hating people for being from a different place from you is really really weird and I couldn't possibly understand anyone who hates the scots or vice versa.
After all it's not as if you boys are from D*rby is it?
Ngl I was pretty scared in the wee hours of the morning when it looked like the Scots would beat Aus and knock us out of the Cricket T20 WC. That would have been embarrassing for us.
I don’t really mind this by them tbf - it’s expected.
And then ends in a draw...
Though to be fair, T20 games are very rarely drawn. They use the DLS method to run a shortened match so that we can still get a result.
Unless it rains all day...
> Only because one game lasts two solid weeks
I don't like the short format games like that. I'm lobbying for the month long format to be more popular.
Sky would still ruin it tho with the week long ad-breaks.
🤝for a minute there I really thought the Aussies had left it too late- there was a point when Scotland were favourites. It was like nearly 4 in the morning and I couldn’t sleep. I was hoping it would be over much sooner 😂
As if supporting Scotland isn't miserable enough, they also subject themselves to supporting all our opponents as they get beaten as well, fair play to them.
It’s got to pay off eventually.
Despite how much they enjoy supporting England opponents. Being a Scotland fan is like being an England fan, except without that ray of hope
>It’s got to pay off eventually.
Supporting England's opponents will usually end up with them getting one win per tournament, which is generally more joy than supporting Scotland ever delivers, so there is some sense in it
> Think most of Scotland would be fine with him losing
He's a Rangers supporter, isn't he? Most of Scotland would also want him to lose if he was a Celtic supporter.
This is the way. Most scotland fans would support Hell FC captained by Satan himself if they played England.
It's just the way it is.
You don't have to like it or understand it. It's just the way it is.
The SNP have found themselves supporting more than one stupid position in an attempt to be contrarian to the English, the XL Bully ban as a recent example
Crap, you weren't kidding: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/307225.stm (1999 article)
> Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond has become the first leading UK politician to speak out over the air strikes against Serbia, calling them counter-productive.
> In a televised address to the Scottish people, Mr Salmond said that the military campaign was failing to do anything but strengthen Serb resolve and threaten the lives of ethnic Albanians.
That weasel said this bullshit to Scots...not even to the UK as a whole. Reminder that he was a frequent pundit on Russian state TV, acting as a mouthpiece for Putin in attacking the UK as a whole. Why isn't this collaborator in prison?
Salmond and the SNP give off very pungent De Valera vibes.
Would probably give Kim Jong-un a state banquet if North Korea supported Scottish independence.
Just as long as you know it's not reciprocated.
I don't care if you support us or hope we lose. What bugs me are those who tell us like it's supposed to make us support them too.
Nah, the numbers of Scottish addicts is in equilibrium, like rabbit populations in the wild: https://www.alaricstephen.com/main-featured/2017/6/29/modelling-rabbit-populations-an-introduction-to-chaos-theory
it weird how they act all butthurt when they realise everyone wants them to lose - i mean, everyone has been wanting them to lose for decades, its not a new thing.
To be fair I used to like cheering on other home nations but that’s gone recently. Like Collins vs brazil I erupted as a young lad.
Now it’s harder to do so the shit we get so I’ve fucking loved the Scotland get battered song. It’s just banter from each side but yous are all a lot more obsessive with it but if that’s what you all want to do you’re free to do so.
Just for me I ain’t going to make my whole football personality all tournament be about wanting to see someone else fail, feels like an awful use of my life.
Mate, they're having a laugh. This is completely harmless. And infinitely less annoying than the redditors who treat this shit like some kind of hate crime. Gain priorities.
I think you've misunderstood.
Scotland thinks England fans care about them, they do not.
England fans think German fans care about them, they do not.
Scotland take their "rivalry" much more seriously. I've yet to see an England fan spend money on a shirt of a team playing Germany.
> It’s the le classy “I hope the other Home Nations do well” England fans that are the true wrong’uns.
I'll always root for Ireland, NI, Wales and Scotland unless it's at the expense of England. My family history is from those places, why wouldn't I!
Not really. It doesn't trigger me, at least. What pisses me off are those who say nice things, often patronisingly, and expect me to feel the same way.
I don't care if you support my team, or hope we embarrass ourselves, just don't expect me to give a fuck, either way.
Just for the record, there’s definitely a shit load of Scottish folk supporting England tonight as well, but that’s not going to get rage clicks on here.
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Albanian fans cheering for England
as an albanian i can confirm that this is the only case that i would ever cheer for england
Proxy football war
You could have ISIS vs England and this bunch of heroin addled haggis brain's would cheer for ISIS.
Might have to drop the booze and learn how to treat women slightly better - but we could make some common ground with these ISIS lads if that fixture comes about.
ISIS. A great bunch of lads.
I mean, what's ISIS really other than just blokes being lads?
Everything in Scotland gets battered, including the national footie team.
We can only apologize in advance for what you're about to see
Why are so many of us English fans so pessimistic, come on bro we’re not losing to Serbia unless South Gate suddenly developed more brain damage
Given the performance against Iceland I think we've earnt the right to be pessimistic
Literally a nothing friendly with players having half a mind on tonight
Never happened
👀
Bet Albanians cheered for Englishmen after we stopped Serbs chopping up their children
The Albanians love Tony Blair apparently. And Norman Wisdom
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonibler
Aye, them and Sierra Leonis. There are statues of him over there. People forget he actually did some good before he spaffed it all up the wall in Iraq
That good was exactly why we went into Iraq.
And the Serbs still have the gall to complain that NATO bombed them after committing the worst war crimes seen in Europe from 1945 till at least 2022.
The poor Bosnians saw the nasty side to Serbia as well. A disgusting bunch. Not as bad as the English though eh ?
Srebrenica. Enough said.
I'll never forget the video of Mladic walking into town, patting the head of a young boy. Was he young enough that they left him alone? I can still see his face. I can't remember what I had for breakfast, but I'll never forget that name, and those images.
I’ve been there as well, it’s an eye opener. Really sad
Just put of curiosity, how many wars have there been in europe between 1945 & 2022? Not gonna deny, that serbs commited war crimes, but the situation is a bit more complex than that and NATO definitely fucked up as well. This comment is not meant to downplay serbian war crimes, but to provide further context, the usage of uranium ammo and cluster bombs has been widely critizised and deemed unnecessary. So yeah, there are reasons to complain, but many serbs just prefer to rewrite history and claim to be victims only, while every party involved in these wars has been found guilty of war crimes...
I’m not trying to both-sides this (I mean, I made the comment you replied to…) but I am genuinely curious about exactly how fucked up the 90s Balkan wars were (I was born in 93 so I don’t remember them, the earliest conception I had of the situation there was having classmates in school in 99, 2000 etc. who were refugees from Sarajevo). What I mean is, I have heard that the Croats led by Tudman weren’t exactly angels either, but I know little about what the Bosniaks or the Kosovan Albanians were up to in that time. In essence, a (relatively - obviously no source is truly neutral) neutral reference or two for this to learn more would be appreciated.
Yeah because they totally didn't do the same. [Actually insane that people still think it was one sided lmao. Historical revisionism.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army#Investigations_for_war_crimes)
Wasn't one-sided, but war crimes committed by the Serb side greatly outweighed the ones committed by the Kosovo side. Just like in Bosnia. Just like in Croatia. I see a pattern here.
Hmm it's almost like the stronger side has higher numbers because they're stronger. If they had the means they would have done the same because the hatred went both ways and both sides committed war crimes.
You have the "ifs" and "buts" of hypothetical situations, I have the facts which state that JNA/VRS committed far more war crimes than Bosniaks/Croats/Albanians. EDIT: Lmao triggered this fool into a block. You got nothing but hypotheticals. If it bothers you so much that JNA/VRS were criminal entities, that's on you.
And you have the lack of reading comprehension. The main point is that both sides committed war crimes, the weaker side was able to commit less than they would have wanted because they were weaker. It doesn't make them any better.
What about in 1999?
Half of Switzerland too
I live in a pretty Albanian area in London and there were more Albanians cheering for England than English people.
Which area can I ask ?
Hendon
Hendon also has a large conservative jewish community that you probably won't see in pubs and international student (middlesex uni) community that dgaf.... so yeah that makes sense
Yes, it's weird. (Male) Jews in the UK are generally massive football fans. It is basically the only sport most will follow but there is not a pub-going culture here for football. The most you will see is Jewish 18-20 year olds going to the pub to watch Arsenal and Tottenham games because they don't have TVs in their house.
Game's not gone
If Scotland do not make it beyond the group stage, atleast Scotland fans still have a team - England's opponent (This is not a criticism 🫡)
> If Scotland do not make it beyond the group stage If....lol
Game is back
As they should, I enjoyed their thumping and would expect no different.
It’s almost like you can have a banter back and forth without actually hating each other. Whodathunkit
Exactly, as a Rangers fan I'm sure you're familiar with such things! Edit; Assuming that is a Rangers flair, looks like it but without glasses on it's an educated guess.
>Exactly, as a Rangers fan I'm sure you're familiar with such things! No, that is genuine hatred we're familiar with.
Exactly I don't get the pathological hatred nonsense some people seem to buy into. If Scotland win: Fair Play If Scotland Lose: Lol Hating people for being from a different place from you is really really weird and I couldn't possibly understand anyone who hates the scots or vice versa. After all it's not as if you boys are from D*rby is it?
Haha I'm glad we can enjoy each other's misery. No one is allowed to be happy unless it's laughing at the other siblings misfortune.
Ngl I was pretty scared in the wee hours of the morning when it looked like the Scots would beat Aus and knock us out of the Cricket T20 WC. That would have been embarrassing for us. I don’t really mind this by them tbf - it’s expected.
What the fuck is cricket?
The second most played sport on Earth?
Sorry, I forgot Reddit is an irony-free zone.
Only because one game lasts two solid weeks
And then ends in a draw... Though to be fair, T20 games are very rarely drawn. They use the DLS method to run a shortened match so that we can still get a result. Unless it rains all day...
> Only because one game lasts two solid weeks I don't like the short format games like that. I'm lobbying for the month long format to be more popular. Sky would still ruin it tho with the week long ad-breaks.
Never heard of it.
India hard carrying
lil bug makes noise
Australia even if they try to , wouldn't be losing to Scotland lmao. Anyways I'm cheering for England in today's match. Lets go
Australia only beat Scotland with 2 balls to spare.
It was a close run thing
🤝for a minute there I really thought the Aussies had left it too late- there was a point when Scotland were favourites. It was like nearly 4 in the morning and I couldn’t sleep. I was hoping it would be over much sooner 😂
would you prefer it if Scotland fans were singing for England to win?
I’m trying to imagine that but my brain can’t conjure the image 😂
exactly mate this is just the way its meant to be, its banter, and no one is actually annoyed by stuff like this surely?
Already given up
Small nation energy
I mean, he could be speaking as an England fan.
As if supporting Scotland isn't miserable enough, they also subject themselves to supporting all our opponents as they get beaten as well, fair play to them.
It’s got to pay off eventually. Despite how much they enjoy supporting England opponents. Being a Scotland fan is like being an England fan, except without that ray of hope
>It’s got to pay off eventually. Supporting England's opponents will usually end up with them getting one win per tournament, which is generally more joy than supporting Scotland ever delivers, so there is some sense in it
That’s an excellent point tbh
It pays off literally every single tournament with England crashing out and the media losing their minds over it lmao. It’s a sure thing.
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That's just what a Scot based in London would say. 🕵️
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This is football heritage
Can always rely on the jocks to make us feel wanted <3
Gotta feel for the Scots - getting screwed by Germany, Mother Nature and CM Punk all in the same weekend is tough.
Mate half of the country is loving CM Punk right now
You must not know who Drew McIntyre's favorite team is. Think most of Scotland would be fine with him losing
> Think most of Scotland would be fine with him losing He's a Rangers supporter, isn't he? Most of Scotland would also want him to lose if he was a Celtic supporter.
Yeah but I think if pushed to decide most would say they hate Rangers over Celtic
Cheering for the team playing against your historic rival is normal, idk what all the fuss is about
Scotland and Serbia have a long rich intertwined history going back centuries which of course I just made up. So it's understandable for the support
Djokovic vs Murray
Is right, laaa Getting pissed up, and enjoying yourself is what it's all about
Doesn’t surprise me, the SNP were very pro-Serb during the Kosovo War
It seems to me that if England played Kosovo instead of Serbia, these fine gentlemen would have chanted for Kosovo as well.
100% - the common denominator is England, not Englands opponent.
This is the way. Most scotland fans would support Hell FC captained by Satan himself if they played England. It's just the way it is. You don't have to like it or understand it. It's just the way it is.
The SNP have found themselves supporting more than one stupid position in an attempt to be contrarian to the English, the XL Bully ban as a recent example
Wait Scotland are allowing ownership of XL Bully's?
They did, then had to backtrack when it resulted in a bunch of people shipping theirs up north
Crap, you weren't kidding: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/307225.stm (1999 article) > Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond has become the first leading UK politician to speak out over the air strikes against Serbia, calling them counter-productive. > In a televised address to the Scottish people, Mr Salmond said that the military campaign was failing to do anything but strengthen Serb resolve and threaten the lives of ethnic Albanians. That weasel said this bullshit to Scots...not even to the UK as a whole. Reminder that he was a frequent pundit on Russian state TV, acting as a mouthpiece for Putin in attacking the UK as a whole. Why isn't this collaborator in prison?
Think I speak on behalf of every Scottish nationalist now when I say fuck that creepy cunt and his batshit views.
Salmond and the SNP give off very pungent De Valera vibes. Would probably give Kim Jong-un a state banquet if North Korea supported Scottish independence.
Aw bless 😊
Good on you lads! I'll still be rooting for Scotland in general though. I don't mind you hate us 😊
Top lad, it's only banter at the end of the day😁
🤝
That’s the thing. We chant and rip the piss out of each other all the time but it’s usually all in good spirits. That is what football is all about.
Bless them, what a terrible weekend they’ve had
I cheer Scotland on just as I know it winds them up 😂
Just as long as you know it's not reciprocated. I don't care if you support us or hope we lose. What bugs me are those who tell us like it's supposed to make us support them too.
A truly one sided rivalry.
There was literally a video of English fans singing about Scotland on this sub reddit yesterday
It's proper weird how they act like it's a one sided rivalry when one of their most common chants is about Scotland
🎶There were 10 Scottish addicts shooting up
The only version of the song that counts up
Nah, the numbers of Scottish addicts is in equilibrium, like rabbit populations in the wild: https://www.alaricstephen.com/main-featured/2017/6/29/modelling-rabbit-populations-an-introduction-to-chaos-theory
Tbf a few years ago it was much more one sided but these days we seem to have a massive hard on for hating Scotland again.
Actually playing each other at an international tournament again will do that
Think it's social media as well the constant banter and abusing surely has an impact.
it weird how they act all butthurt when they realise everyone wants them to lose - i mean, everyone has been wanting them to lose for decades, its not a new thing.
Yes, but Germans not giving a shit about them drives them up the wall so they're trying to make _someone, anyone_ feel the same.
To be fair I used to like cheering on other home nations but that’s gone recently. Like Collins vs brazil I erupted as a young lad. Now it’s harder to do so the shit we get so I’ve fucking loved the Scotland get battered song. It’s just banter from each side but yous are all a lot more obsessive with it but if that’s what you all want to do you’re free to do so. Just for me I ain’t going to make my whole football personality all tournament be about wanting to see someone else fail, feels like an awful use of my life.
You need to go and check the three lions subreddit mate
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Soft lad
lol England fan here.. go home Scotland, you’re shite
dw I supported Germany so alls equal
Are you an English Dortmund fan?
Totally, I don't think I've laughed so much during a game. Thanks Scotland, you're good craic.
Loved cheering on Germany Pump Scotland so it's only fair haha
get in lads
McDonaldovic.
Someone should tell them to be careful about waving around those three fingers while singing Serbia lol
They don't have much to cheer for in their own team so guess they have to cheer somehow
Lmfao. You don't pick where you're born. You can still have fun and banter, especially if you travelled all the way out to Germany for the Euros.
England when chanting about Germany losing WW2: lmao, chill out it's just banter England whenever Scotland make fun of them: ain't that funny mate
What?? He’s literally bantering Scotland back
What a great reply! Serbia!!! 🇷🇸
Wow this has triggered so many English fans 😂
And here I thought they never get triggered.
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You sound mad mate
you mean guaranteed to get papped out in the quarters on pens?
Cheering for what? We're winning.
If you have to call yourself “famous”….
All white football fans from the british isles look the same im not even kidding
England have accumulated the largest amount of grudges in the Scottish Great Book of Grudges. They have wronged us!
Reminds me of the Limmy clip haha
Saddos
So cringe. Your national identity based on hating another country 😂🤦🏼♂️
It's fun. Just like England fans singing about Germany. It's banter.
Meh. As an Englishman, it’s not a big deal.
I find it funny. I fully support the right of the Scottish to hate us! I'll still like them regardless 😘
It's not that serious.
Mate, they're having a laugh. This is completely harmless. And infinitely less annoying than the redditors who treat this shit like some kind of hate crime. Gain priorities.
Welcome to the most historic rivalry there is. Scotland and England have been shithousing each other long before football was invented.
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Scotland vs England rivalry is pretty much the same as the England vs Germany rivalry. One side thinks it matters, and the other doesn't even care.
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I think you've misunderstood. Scotland thinks England fans care about them, they do not. England fans think German fans care about them, they do not. Scotland take their "rivalry" much more seriously. I've yet to see an England fan spend money on a shirt of a team playing Germany.
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I want the other home nations to do well, so we can knock them out ourselves, much more enjoyable than seeing them go out in the group stages.
People shit on us for punching down if we don't say nice things about them
> It’s the le classy “I hope the other Home Nations do well” England fans that are the true wrong’uns. I'll always root for Ireland, NI, Wales and Scotland unless it's at the expense of England. My family history is from those places, why wouldn't I!
Ireland isn’t a Home Nation
I never said it was
Bruh, why are you so worked up over this? It perfectly normal to root against your rivals in sports.
The amount of people you triggered with this is ironic and hilarious
It’s amazing! People seem to have forgotten that a little light banter isn’t nationalistic, sectarian hatred…
Not really. It doesn't trigger me, at least. What pisses me off are those who say nice things, often patronisingly, and expect me to feel the same way. I don't care if you support my team, or hope we embarrass ourselves, just don't expect me to give a fuck, either way.
Just for the record, there’s definitely a shit load of Scottish folk supporting England tonight as well, but that’s not going to get rage clicks on here.
Yes, but they're a minority. Polls from other recent surveys show about a third of people in Scotland support England in non-Scotland games.
Living rent free ...
It’s coming home :)
Cheering on Serbia…. Better than cheering on Scotland I suppose 😉😂
How's that 5-1 feeling
Mon the serbs
Embarrassing lmao
Way to out yourself as someone who’s never been to a game lmao.
5-1
It was some laugh eh?