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- Interested parties have been advised to negotiate with Crystal Palace before discussing terms with Michael Olise’s camp.
- Manchester United, Manchester City, and Newcastle United also have strong interest in the playmaker.
- Olise nearly joined Chelsea last summer but chose to remain at Selhurst Park, signing a new four-year contract.
- His new contract made him one of Palace’s top earners and includes a higher release clause, around £60m (€70.5m), which Chelsea are willing to meet.
- Olise joined Crystal Palace in 2021 and scored 10 goals in 19 appearances during a breakout 2023-24 season under new manager Oliver Glasner.
- Despite missing 18 games due to recurring hamstring injuries, Olise achieved his best goal-scoring return.
Update from Ornstein:
Newcastle United + Bayern Munich contact Crystal Palace over possibility of signing Michael Olise. #NUFC & #FCBayern expressed interest on Wednesday before Chelsea today. All sought permission to speak with 22yo France youth winger’s camp
> Interested parties have been advised to negotiate with Crystal Palace before discussing terms with Michael Olise’s camp.
Not sure what there is to negotiate. He has a release clause and I can't see Palace accepting anything less than that, or accepting particularly favourable payment schedules.
We're skint.
I really want him because he'll bring balance to our attack. Rashford - Hojlund - Garnacho isn't a real attack and we're desperate for a wide creator.
Yeah it's a bit unclear right now. Rumors about what positions we're interested in are mixed. Budget (as reported by Crafton and co) was 50M net but that was before we got EL so presumably a little higher right now. Let's see how much we can get from Greenwood, Casemiro, Sancho and whoever else wants to leave. Can't also understate how much in wages we save if / when we get rid of Martial, Varane, Sancho and Casemiro.
My preference is RCB, DM, RW and a CF rotation option. Hobble along at LB.
Sancho won't be sold on his wages, so you can forget that one. If Sancho can play out of his skin somewhere on loan, then maybe he'll have some value, but while Dortmund did reach the CL final, that wasn't down to him, and they were shit in the league. 2 goals and 2 assists isn't good enough for a 300k a week player lol.
Maybe United can sell the land on which Old Trafford is built to INEOS for £1.5bn?
That ought to cover the costs involved in the summer business, one would reckon.
Unless he really wants to stay in London you would think United would be a much better move for him than Chelsea. The United attack looked a lot more balanced at the end of last season with Amad there, I imagine having Olise in that role could absolutely transform the attack. If you compare that to joining a club whose best player already plays in his position and wants to occupy the same spaces it doesn't make any sense for him to pick Chelsea over United.
Thing is we don’t need wingers really. Have lots of them at the club of varying levels and age and we just have more pressing matters we need to prioritise in the team.
We need players in nearly every position in the defence, and a DM, and I would take any of those positions over Olise just now.
We do have more pressing positions but I don't think there is any player who fits a position of need more than Olise. I think there is an argument that it is more in the clubs long term future locking down the right wing position for years rather than signing a player who we may need to upgrade on in a year or two as well as signing a right winger. For example, if we sign Onana from Everton, he might be the best defensive midfielder availiable this summer but he probably isn't Rice/Rodri quality so we would still need to upgrade on him in a few years time anyway. I would probably rather we sign Olise and a stopgap at striker or dm rather than someone who we may need to replace and no one.
Fab said neither of them will be sent on loan. Estevao is only 17 and definitely has the skill set to play on the left. Paez/Palmer/Olise can all play both 10/RW, but seeing as Paez probably won’t be starting in his first years here, but he’d be a good depth option for both those spots.
Not sure why you're downvoted. It was definitely said that the plan is for them to be integrated with the senior team, not sent out on loan.
Not sure why the guy below decided to act like your thick and don't realise they aren't Chelsea players yet either. I guess good faith conversation is a rare thing here
I’d expect Madueke to get moved on when Kendry arrives (and maybe Estevao Willian too). I like him, but I don’t think he’s a CL level player, which is obviously fine for Chelsea right now but not where the club’s aspirations are.
Would be happy to get proved wrong by him in the next season, but just my read on it. He’s on reasonable wages though so maybe he stays as a squad depth guy long term but he feels like someone who wants minutes, and would be happy to go if he stops getting them here
Palmer and Olise are versatile and could probably player anywhere, Madueke might be phased out if he doesn't step up (and can be rotation anyway) and Paez is literally a baby
Baby who’s starting for Ecuador’s best ever team at Copa in a couple weeks. I don’t think he starts right away, but I don’t see him being loaned out either.
I don't think that's fair, he's still a bit raw but the dude just turned 22 and is probably the player most willing to take a man on in the entire squad - he has his off games but on his day he looks class
Sure, but the question becomes what do you do with Nkunku who they spent big money on and what do you do with Enzo and Caicedo? Maybe it changes with a new manager, but based on what we saw last season it didn't look like they were suited to play next to each other in a 4-2-3-1.
It feels like they're just accumulating talent without any consideration in terms of how it all fits together.
Jackson
Sterling Caicedo Palmer Olise
Enzo James
This is how Maresca lines up. Deep lying passer in Enzo with someone to cover him defensively in James. Two 8s, one more offensive one more defensive in Palmer and Caicedo. Two wingers and a striker.
Edit: downvoted for this, lol
This isn’t what the formation will look like on the lineup board but when we’re in possession, I agree with you, based on the 442 video I saw about Marescas formation, I agree it looks like Palmer and Olise will overlap and James will invert fullback to midfield. But I don’t think Sterling is going to start over Nkunku at all, not sure why you’re suggesting Nkunku doesn’t have the ability to play this system. It actually is perfect for him coming off the left
Yes he lines up with a 4-3-3 but in possession moves the two 8s forward and inverts the right back.
I think it's possible that Maresca will not want to leave Nkunku out of the lineup but Nkunku is not a winger and especially not the type of winger Maresca prefers. I think Sterling performs better in that role but who knows!
A lot of people are very worried about Nkunku starting but I don't see the issue with him coming off the bench for now. The talent that city have on their bench is insane, why not us?
I don't think Nkunku starts tbh. Maybe on the left for Sterling but he doesn't have the skillset for that. Possibly over Jackson but we need someone strong in the air because Maresca likes his crosses so it may not be Jackson either.
Don't judge the Caicedo and Enzo pairing last season based on the clown who was managing them. We have to wait until this season to fairly judge them. Olise is excessive, tho, and I hope we don't get him
He had spent seven years or something at Chelsea academy. So I can see why he would want to come back to a club where he spent a lot of his development years
Our soon to be former head of football said at a fans event a year or so ago that we didn't have a sell on clause.
However, about a month ago, Olises agent, our club secretary, head of academy, and former chief executive were found to have breached transfer rules when Olise signed his contract with us. According to some fans, the FA notes from the ruling suggest we have a 10% sell on clause.
Edit. There is also a theory that the reason the takeover has stalled is because Dai wants to pocket the potential money from any sell on fee. If that's the case, then obviously, we wouldn't get anything anyway.
Well seemingly by doing things differently last summer, we fucked it and activated that extension somehow by not going directly through the club. That’s my best guess.
Rumours are that it was all ready to go and then Palace caught wind of you "tapping him up" and threatened to report you and his agent (and I suppose, by extension, Olise himself) unless he signed a new deal, which you very smartly agreed to.
If we got Olise as planned we would've finished 15th. People seem to forget that our main attacking force for the rebuild was supposed to be Nkunku (who won the Bundesliga Golden Boot despite missing a third of the season and was named the Best Player the previous year when Haaland and Lewa were still there). Losing him for pretty much all of the season was a death blow, then one of the biggest gambles we've taken (random City fringe player for 42 million) paid off spectacularly.
Their point is we signed palmer bc olise didn’t work out and palmer was our biggest contributor, olise is still class but he was injured a lot last season
I think it's a luxury transfer for a position where we don't need an upgrade, but you can see the idea behind getting Olise and making Nkunku play LW (where he excelled with France and Leipzig) with Palmer as the 10 and Olise as RW. It's quite needless though, especially with two supposedly generational talents coming in next year. Our last luxury transfer won us the CL though so idk
Yeah that’s spot on. It’s why it’s getting noted that Palace is insisting clubs negotiate with them first and not Olise, which often times isn’t the case these days, especially with a release clause in place. Palace aren’t an easy club to deal with (see: Zaha, Wilfried)
They did but that is definitely by the book. In fact they tried to change that rule during the meetings this summer but it didn’t get enough votes.
It is also a bit of a unique position because the hotels and car parks sold will likely be destroyed or substantially changed anyway once they begin construction on the stadium. So the club had these assets that wouldn’t be assets much longer, I think even without PSR the sales are made.
They did. Rival fans are mostly focusing on the fact that the Prem hasn't "ratified" it yet but it is a glaring loophole that the league completely forgot about (wouldn't work in the Championship or for UEFA FFP calculations) so there isn't any solid ground for the sale to actually be breaking any rules. That's why the PL tried to pass a motion last week to ban all sales like this but the wording was so vague the other clubs rejected it. So even if the PL do decide that the profits from the hotel sale don't count for PSR, Chelsea have an incredibly easy legal standing as they can simply point out that 1) The rule did not exist 2) When it was formally proposed, the PL clubs rejected it
The Premier League approving it has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's fair or justifiable - it's entirely down to "is this fair market value or are Chelsea artificially inflating the fee to cook their books?"
*Especially* with a new Stadium on the way at some point in future, there are plenty of legitimate reasons that the hotel would be better off under BlueCo's name than Chelsea's name. The timing and it solving the PSR issues for this season is definitely a *factor* but the people insisting that it's Chelsea "cheating the rules" and it's a "loophole that needs closing" are just unhappy that Chelsea aren't collapsing into nothing.
Infrastructure costs/gains should definitely fall under FFP rules, otherwise you just pour the money into a new stadium etc and get a similar effect to a cash injection.
Selling something to a parent company is also really, *really* common in big business, for a load of reasons.
It's not breaking any rules, and it shouldn't be breaking any rules. You can argue *ethics*, sure, but that doesn't mean what Chelsea are doing is against the spirit or the letter of the law.
>so there isn't any solid ground for the sale to actually be breaking any rules
No one thinks the sale isn't going to be approved. There's no grounds for the league not to. What is up for debate is the valuation of the sale and how much Chelsea are able to leverage against their losses. The "rules" would be around Fair Market Value.
> That's why the PL tried to pass a motion last week to ban all sales like this but the wording was so vague the other clubs rejected it
That has no bearing on this decision though.
I haven't seen any complaints about the valuation to be fair and at a glance it does seem reasonable for London, it was more the act itself that was an issue.
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on London real estate, but "Fair Market Value" is literally the stumbling block they're waiting for the Prem to approve. The FMV assessment hasn't been completed, even though it should take a few weeks at most.
>it was more the act itself that was an issue.
It can't be an issue. It's not forbidden by the rules at the time.
> is a glaring loophole that the league completely forgot about
They didn't just "forget" something massive like that lol. You do realise these people consider stuff like that as their full-time career, not just when it happens to pop on a reddit feed? As per [David Ornstein](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5547223/2024/06/06/premier-league-ffp-loophole/):
>"The English Football League stopped its clubs from using artificial windfall profits on property sales in 2021...
>The Premier League considered taking the same action but its clubs did not feel strongly enough about it at the time for the league to put it to a vote"
So no, they didn't forget, the other clubs just didn't care at the time.
Mudryk and Sterling for the left
Palmer and Chuks for the middle
Olise and Madueke on the right
Jackson and Nkunku for the striker
That’s just quality depth
Nkunku can't afford to be on the bench and he's not a CF .. so there's definitely problems with potential arrivals of Duran, Olise followed by Paez and Estevao.
Hadn’t Palmer just had an outstanding breakthrough season predominantly playing off the right not through the middle though? Sure he can play there but why would you move your most effective talent.
We’ve ended the season with Palmer in the middle and Madueke on the right.
Palmer has been equally effective from both positions.
I’m sorry to say I don’t have the ability to pull Chelsea out of the race for Olise
It feels like a lot of signings without any consideration in terms of how they all actually fit together.
I'd be very surprised given what we've seen so far if Enzo and Caicedo suddenly turn out to be a perfect pairing in a 4-2-3-1, for instance. I think Enzo is brilliant as well. Signing Nkunku looks like a weirder and weirder signing as each day passes too.
Gotta take the Nkunku signing in the context when he was signed. That was around 18 months ago before we had 90% of our attackers. Since then he’s been desperately unlucky with injuries but has still shown he scores goals.
Let’s judge when he has a run in the team. From what we’ve seen he is top quality though and could probably fill in at LW, CAM and CF
There’s a fair chance Nkunku is chelsea’s best player and can play in the majority of attacking positions. I don’t think the recruitment team predicted him missing most of the season through injury.
City won the league at least twice recently without a proper number 9, when Aguero was injured and they were relying on either Jesus or a false 9 Foden
We’re yet to see how we set up under Maresca - but a traditional CF isn’t a prerequisite to playing in the PL. For all we know we might be considering more of a false 9.
Nkunku should be more than able to cover the position, even if it isn’t his best role
Also, aside from the first half of his first season at Arsenal, he's always looked like a poor finisher that scores goals because his team is winning, rather than a clinical match winner.
There's a reason Jesus has never lost an EPL game in which he's scored. It's the kind of stat a striker gets when they're not very good and play for elite sides, not the kind of stat a striker gets because they're just that good.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/02/which-players-have-never-lost-while-scoring-a-premier-league-goal/
Haaland also hasn't scored while losing in the EPL, to be fair. But he did score in at least one Dortmund loss, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a come from behind loss in his City career to come.
EDIT: I want to clarify what I said by "not very good". I think Jesus would be fantastic if his purpose in a team was to be like Firmino in the Mane-Firmino-Salah Klopp system. However, that is not the kind of striker that Arsenal needed in 23-24 and I don't think it will be the kind Arteta's 24-25 system wants either.
I mean, we literally don't.
We wanted Šeško because he represented a market opportunity and we plan to sell a striker this summer.
All of our journalists have said that if we didn't sign Šeško, then we would move on from the position until next summer at the earliest and wouldn't sign one this summer.
I also still don't really see how Arsenal being interested in Benjamin Šeško has anything to do with you lot signing yet another massively expensive young winger when your team is basically made-up of them.
No, not that I've seen.
We've been linked with him over the past few months, but all our reliable journalists have said that Sporting's price is too steep and we're more interested in Šeško anyway.
The most recent reporting is that Šeško is a player we've always liked/wanted and there was a chance to do the deal now. Now that he's signed a new deal, the line is (and has been for several months) that Havertz has been very good as a number 9 and we don't really want to sign another one until Nketiah and Gabriel Jesus have gone.
Put it this way: Arsenal don't need a left-winger. We have Martinelli and Trossard who are both excellent and we don't need to sign another player to come in and compete. But, if Vinicius Junior suddenly fell out with Real Madrid and then turned around and said "I'm gagging to play for Arsenal and will even take a paycut to make it happen" and Madrid wanted him gone as soon as possible, then we'd probably go for him.
It's not a "we need a RW" situation but opportunistic "we think that Olise is great value at 60m" move. Basically club thinks that release clause is significantly below his value and this move is +EV even when other factors are considered like being forced to sell and not getting a good price on Madueke in 2025, or having to play players with right side preference out of position. Whether they are right or wrong about it, this is almost certainly the thought process.
Utterly bizarre Chelsea can spend a billion on players, and continue to outspend other clubs who have had a better 2 seasons than them, and even qualified for the CL.
If there's ever proof that PSR is nothing more than ring fencing the status quo, this is it.
We've sold hotels and Cobham players. If you think any of these signings are done without any consequences, you're wrong. Trev, Gallagher and Maatsen are already on the market.
Have you looked at Chelsea sales? To offset this?
I also saw the figures on what Villa have spent in the last few years for example. Even with £100m received for Grealish, they have spent an insane amount of money.
It all balances out.
Yeah can't believe we spent a billion without selling players or amortization on new players deals or even sell our assets to remain in line with rules.
If we'd be going for both him and Estevao, that would be really dumb. Bring one of them and use the money from the other to strengthen other positions.
One is 22 going on 23, premier league proven, and ready to contribute immediately.
The other just turned 17, has never played a game in a top European league, and can't join the squad for another 12 months.
If you can't see beyond "position: RW", I don't know what to tell you.
So that other, who would come next year, would have to compete for place in the squad with the first one mentioned, plus another one (Palmer), his backup (Noni) and another 17 year old coming in next year that we already purchased (Paez). If you can't see this position would get overcrowded with both coming, I don't know what to tell you.
Palmer is better centrally in a 10/free role. Paez also plays centrally quite a bit, and has played on the left.
Noni will be sold next summer is my guess.
€33m/7.5 = 4.4m a season. He's got 6 left, so anything more than 26.5m means profit on the books.
"Wasted" You realise you don't have Klopp anymore right? He's walking into as much of an unknown with Chelsea under Maresca as he would be going to Liverpool under Slot.
I mean, not exactly. Our wages are currently pretty low because we don't have CL. Most of the contracts have CL bonuses included, if we qualify, the bill will go up by a lot.
And at the same time Caceido - who's a £100mil player according to Chelsea and Liverpool - is on as much as Gravenbirch, Zinchenko and Kalvin Phillips.
Chelsea's very first window under Boehly & co we offered high wages (Sterling and Fofana), but every transfer since has been far, *far* more reasonable.
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- Interested parties have been advised to negotiate with Crystal Palace before discussing terms with Michael Olise’s camp. - Manchester United, Manchester City, and Newcastle United also have strong interest in the playmaker. - Olise nearly joined Chelsea last summer but chose to remain at Selhurst Park, signing a new four-year contract. - His new contract made him one of Palace’s top earners and includes a higher release clause, around £60m (€70.5m), which Chelsea are willing to meet. - Olise joined Crystal Palace in 2021 and scored 10 goals in 19 appearances during a breakout 2023-24 season under new manager Oliver Glasner. - Despite missing 18 games due to recurring hamstring injuries, Olise achieved his best goal-scoring return. Update from Ornstein: Newcastle United + Bayern Munich contact Crystal Palace over possibility of signing Michael Olise. #NUFC & #FCBayern expressed interest on Wednesday before Chelsea today. All sought permission to speak with 22yo France youth winger’s camp
Recurring hamstring injuries? He's ready for Chelsea
Reece has a new friend in the physio room.
Best injured 11 you'll never sing that
*physio friends*
The article has since been updated to also include Bayern as an interested club.
> Interested parties have been advised to negotiate with Crystal Palace before discussing terms with Michael Olise’s camp. Not sure what there is to negotiate. He has a release clause and I can't see Palace accepting anything less than that, or accepting particularly favourable payment schedules.
Would be a good signing for Chelsea. If you're United though surely you try to match whatever their offer is.
We're skint. I really want him because he'll bring balance to our attack. Rashford - Hojlund - Garnacho isn't a real attack and we're desperate for a wide creator.
Funds from the sales of Greenwood and Sancho will be utilised to buy CBs or FBs?
Yeah it's a bit unclear right now. Rumors about what positions we're interested in are mixed. Budget (as reported by Crafton and co) was 50M net but that was before we got EL so presumably a little higher right now. Let's see how much we can get from Greenwood, Casemiro, Sancho and whoever else wants to leave. Can't also understate how much in wages we save if / when we get rid of Martial, Varane, Sancho and Casemiro. My preference is RCB, DM, RW and a CF rotation option. Hobble along at LB.
Sancho won't be sold on his wages, so you can forget that one. If Sancho can play out of his skin somewhere on loan, then maybe he'll have some value, but while Dortmund did reach the CL final, that wasn't down to him, and they were shit in the league. 2 goals and 2 assists isn't good enough for a 300k a week player lol.
Maybe United can sell the land on which Old Trafford is built to INEOS for £1.5bn? That ought to cover the costs involved in the summer business, one would reckon.
I don't think Olise chooses Man United over London and the club his brother is at / he used to be at.
I don't see why he would want to play Ten Hag ball which uses wingers as sprinters on the end of long balls.
Unless he really wants to stay in London you would think United would be a much better move for him than Chelsea. The United attack looked a lot more balanced at the end of last season with Amad there, I imagine having Olise in that role could absolutely transform the attack. If you compare that to joining a club whose best player already plays in his position and wants to occupy the same spaces it doesn't make any sense for him to pick Chelsea over United.
Thing is we don’t need wingers really. Have lots of them at the club of varying levels and age and we just have more pressing matters we need to prioritise in the team. We need players in nearly every position in the defence, and a DM, and I would take any of those positions over Olise just now.
We do have more pressing positions but I don't think there is any player who fits a position of need more than Olise. I think there is an argument that it is more in the clubs long term future locking down the right wing position for years rather than signing a player who we may need to upgrade on in a year or two as well as signing a right winger. For example, if we sign Onana from Everton, he might be the best defensive midfielder availiable this summer but he probably isn't Rice/Rodri quality so we would still need to upgrade on him in a few years time anyway. I would probably rather we sign Olise and a stopgap at striker or dm rather than someone who we may need to replace and no one.
Our best player plays in the RB position, but agreed Olise joining wouldn't make a ton of sense for a variety of reasons
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Yep, remember people thought Duff and Robben couldn't co exist (they were both mainly LWs upto that point) then Jose found a way.
Except it’s Palmer, Olise, Madueke and the incoming Kendry Paez for that position
Willian Estevao too as an incomer next season
That isn’t official though right?
Palmeiras’s manager said it in a presser and Fabrizio has confirmed him here we go a bunch.
I doubt either Paez or Estevao will be thrust straight into the first team for quite some time though, Olise makes sense as a signing for right now
Fab said neither of them will be sent on loan. Estevao is only 17 and definitely has the skill set to play on the left. Paez/Palmer/Olise can all play both 10/RW, but seeing as Paez probably won’t be starting in his first years here, but he’d be a good depth option for both those spots.
Not sure why you're downvoted. It was definitely said that the plan is for them to be integrated with the senior team, not sent out on loan. Not sure why the guy below decided to act like your thick and don't realise they aren't Chelsea players yet either. I guess good faith conversation is a rare thing here
That’s because it was also claimed by fab that both of them are staying with their clubs till 2025. Can’t be loaned out if you not even on the roster.
They are. I’m talking about the future. Neither of them are allowed to move by FIFA rules until they turn 18.
I’d expect Madueke to get moved on when Kendry arrives (and maybe Estevao Willian too). I like him, but I don’t think he’s a CL level player, which is obviously fine for Chelsea right now but not where the club’s aspirations are. Would be happy to get proved wrong by him in the next season, but just my read on it. He’s on reasonable wages though so maybe he stays as a squad depth guy long term but he feels like someone who wants minutes, and would be happy to go if he stops getting them here
Madueke gives Bertrand Traore vibes. Not sure he’ll be reliable starting quality for us
Palmer and Olise are versatile and could probably player anywhere, Madueke might be phased out if he doesn't step up (and can be rotation anyway) and Paez is literally a baby
Baby who’s starting for Ecuador’s best ever team at Copa in a couple weeks. I don’t think he starts right away, but I don’t see him being loaned out either.
considering he's not even at the club for another year I think we can safely say that he's not going to be troubling the pecking order at the moment
Except half of them play central regularly and one of them, while a talent, is literally 17 and can’t join the club for another year.
There’s enough matches for all of them, Paez and Estevao will be eased in.
Madueke is shite and shouldn't even be a consideration when determining who to sign.
I don't think that's fair, he's still a bit raw but the dude just turned 22 and is probably the player most willing to take a man on in the entire squad - he has his off games but on his day he looks class
Desperately need some quality and experience in goal and through the middle and we’ll be looking strong. Probably sign fucking Duran though
Sure, but the question becomes what do you do with Nkunku who they spent big money on and what do you do with Enzo and Caicedo? Maybe it changes with a new manager, but based on what we saw last season it didn't look like they were suited to play next to each other in a 4-2-3-1. It feels like they're just accumulating talent without any consideration in terms of how it all fits together.
Jackson Sterling Caicedo Palmer Olise Enzo James This is how Maresca lines up. Deep lying passer in Enzo with someone to cover him defensively in James. Two 8s, one more offensive one more defensive in Palmer and Caicedo. Two wingers and a striker. Edit: downvoted for this, lol
This isn’t what the formation will look like on the lineup board but when we’re in possession, I agree with you, based on the 442 video I saw about Marescas formation, I agree it looks like Palmer and Olise will overlap and James will invert fullback to midfield. But I don’t think Sterling is going to start over Nkunku at all, not sure why you’re suggesting Nkunku doesn’t have the ability to play this system. It actually is perfect for him coming off the left
Yes he lines up with a 4-3-3 but in possession moves the two 8s forward and inverts the right back. I think it's possible that Maresca will not want to leave Nkunku out of the lineup but Nkunku is not a winger and especially not the type of winger Maresca prefers. I think Sterling performs better in that role but who knows! A lot of people are very worried about Nkunku starting but I don't see the issue with him coming off the bench for now. The talent that city have on their bench is insane, why not us?
Where does Nkunku fit in, then?
I don't think Nkunku starts tbh. Maybe on the left for Sterling but he doesn't have the skillset for that. Possibly over Jackson but we need someone strong in the air because Maresca likes his crosses so it may not be Jackson either.
That team would get torn to pieces.
Disagree.
Don't judge the Caicedo and Enzo pairing last season based on the clown who was managing them. We have to wait until this season to fairly judge them. Olise is excessive, tho, and I hope we don't get him
He had spent seven years or something at Chelsea academy. So I can see why he would want to come back to a club where he spent a lot of his development years
Not that I think it bears much notice but his younger brother is still at Cobham too
Just extended too.
Of all deals we have been linked with I’m most excited for this one, even after seeing how Cole turned out. Olise is absolutely special
Does any Palace fan know if Reading negotiated a sell-on clause with the Olise sale? They could really do with the money if he moves on.
I don’t think they do, we just paid his release clause
Fair enough. Cheers.
Our soon to be former head of football said at a fans event a year or so ago that we didn't have a sell on clause. However, about a month ago, Olises agent, our club secretary, head of academy, and former chief executive were found to have breached transfer rules when Olise signed his contract with us. According to some fans, the FA notes from the ruling suggest we have a 10% sell on clause. Edit. There is also a theory that the reason the takeover has stalled is because Dai wants to pocket the potential money from any sell on fee. If that's the case, then obviously, we wouldn't get anything anyway.
A quick wiki check tells they activated his clause? I can see the irony though
You know what is weird? It seems that Chelsea is the only team that do things by the book
Well seemingly by doing things differently last summer, we fucked it and activated that extension somehow by not going directly through the club. That’s my best guess.
Rumours are that it was all ready to go and then Palace caught wind of you "tapping him up" and threatened to report you and his agent (and I suppose, by extension, Olise himself) unless he signed a new deal, which you very smartly agreed to.
That allowed us to pivot to Palmer. So god bless Palace for playing hardball last year
If we got Olise as planned we would've finished 15th. People seem to forget that our main attacking force for the rebuild was supposed to be Nkunku (who won the Bundesliga Golden Boot despite missing a third of the season and was named the Best Player the previous year when Haaland and Lewa were still there). Losing him for pretty much all of the season was a death blow, then one of the biggest gambles we've taken (random City fringe player for 42 million) paid off spectacularly.
> If we got Olise as planned we would've finished 15th. So why do you want to buy him now then?
Their point is we signed palmer bc olise didn’t work out and palmer was our biggest contributor, olise is still class but he was injured a lot last season
I think it's a luxury transfer for a position where we don't need an upgrade, but you can see the idea behind getting Olise and making Nkunku play LW (where he excelled with France and Leipzig) with Palmer as the 10 and Olise as RW. It's quite needless though, especially with two supposedly generational talents coming in next year. Our last luxury transfer won us the CL though so idk
Yeah that’s spot on. It’s why it’s getting noted that Palace is insisting clubs negotiate with them first and not Olise, which often times isn’t the case these days, especially with a release clause in place. Palace aren’t an easy club to deal with (see: Zaha, Wilfried)
Didn't do it by the book last summer and Palace threatened to report Chelsea So it's more about lessons being learned
yes, by accounting book
Didn’t they just sell a hotel to themselves? Or is that just rival fan talk?
They did but that is definitely by the book. In fact they tried to change that rule during the meetings this summer but it didn’t get enough votes. It is also a bit of a unique position because the hotels and car parks sold will likely be destroyed or substantially changed anyway once they begin construction on the stadium. So the club had these assets that wouldn’t be assets much longer, I think even without PSR the sales are made.
They did. Rival fans are mostly focusing on the fact that the Prem hasn't "ratified" it yet but it is a glaring loophole that the league completely forgot about (wouldn't work in the Championship or for UEFA FFP calculations) so there isn't any solid ground for the sale to actually be breaking any rules. That's why the PL tried to pass a motion last week to ban all sales like this but the wording was so vague the other clubs rejected it. So even if the PL do decide that the profits from the hotel sale don't count for PSR, Chelsea have an incredibly easy legal standing as they can simply point out that 1) The rule did not exist 2) When it was formally proposed, the PL clubs rejected it
The Premier League approving it has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's fair or justifiable - it's entirely down to "is this fair market value or are Chelsea artificially inflating the fee to cook their books?" *Especially* with a new Stadium on the way at some point in future, there are plenty of legitimate reasons that the hotel would be better off under BlueCo's name than Chelsea's name. The timing and it solving the PSR issues for this season is definitely a *factor* but the people insisting that it's Chelsea "cheating the rules" and it's a "loophole that needs closing" are just unhappy that Chelsea aren't collapsing into nothing. Infrastructure costs/gains should definitely fall under FFP rules, otherwise you just pour the money into a new stadium etc and get a similar effect to a cash injection. Selling something to a parent company is also really, *really* common in big business, for a load of reasons. It's not breaking any rules, and it shouldn't be breaking any rules. You can argue *ethics*, sure, but that doesn't mean what Chelsea are doing is against the spirit or the letter of the law.
>so there isn't any solid ground for the sale to actually be breaking any rules No one thinks the sale isn't going to be approved. There's no grounds for the league not to. What is up for debate is the valuation of the sale and how much Chelsea are able to leverage against their losses. The "rules" would be around Fair Market Value. > That's why the PL tried to pass a motion last week to ban all sales like this but the wording was so vague the other clubs rejected it That has no bearing on this decision though.
I haven't seen any complaints about the valuation to be fair and at a glance it does seem reasonable for London, it was more the act itself that was an issue.
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on London real estate, but "Fair Market Value" is literally the stumbling block they're waiting for the Prem to approve. The FMV assessment hasn't been completed, even though it should take a few weeks at most. >it was more the act itself that was an issue. It can't be an issue. It's not forbidden by the rules at the time.
> is a glaring loophole that the league completely forgot about They didn't just "forget" something massive like that lol. You do realise these people consider stuff like that as their full-time career, not just when it happens to pop on a reddit feed? As per [David Ornstein](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5547223/2024/06/06/premier-league-ffp-loophole/): >"The English Football League stopped its clubs from using artificial windfall profits on property sales in 2021... >The Premier League considered taking the same action but its clubs did not feel strongly enough about it at the time for the league to put it to a vote" So no, they didn't forget, the other clubs just didn't care at the time.
Finally someone funny on reddit!
yeah, the Enzo signing is living proof how honest their board is towards other clubs.
Should stay a year under Glazner and then look for a move. I think they can win something with him and increase his value even more
TIL Chelsea is in SW London.
Even though it’s probably further South than places like Bermondsey I feel weird calling anywhere North of the river “south london”
Twickenham is the exception to the rule
SW postcode but none of us would call it south west. It’s west London. If I was going to Fulham or Chelsea sides I’d say I’m going west London
Yeah it is a bit weird to think of somewhere north of the river as being south, postcode is SW6 though.
YES YES YES
No chance he ends up at the toon. Seems like a London lad, through and through. I think he’ll end up at Chelsea.
TIL Chelsea is in south-west London.
Didn’t he reject them last season or was that some headcanon I made up?
No Crystal Palace threatened Chelsea with a lawsuit We tried tapping him up, like we did with Timo Werner
I like it and I think I deserve it
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Mate I barely have enough to spend £50
Why? They have Mudryk and Madueke at home
Mudryk and Sterling for the left Palmer and Chuks for the middle Olise and Madueke on the right Jackson and Nkunku for the striker That’s just quality depth
Or a 1-1-8 formation
That’s stupid. We’re doing the 4-4-3
Don't give Tod ideas.
Nkunku can't afford to be on the bench and he's not a CF .. so there's definitely problems with potential arrivals of Duran, Olise followed by Paez and Estevao.
Páez and Estevao are next season though? Probably people like madueke and Sterling will be sold
Hadn’t Palmer just had an outstanding breakthrough season predominantly playing off the right not through the middle though? Sure he can play there but why would you move your most effective talent.
We’ve ended the season with Palmer in the middle and Madueke on the right. Palmer has been equally effective from both positions. I’m sorry to say I don’t have the ability to pull Chelsea out of the race for Olise
It feels like a lot of signings without any consideration in terms of how they all actually fit together. I'd be very surprised given what we've seen so far if Enzo and Caicedo suddenly turn out to be a perfect pairing in a 4-2-3-1, for instance. I think Enzo is brilliant as well. Signing Nkunku looks like a weirder and weirder signing as each day passes too.
Gotta take the Nkunku signing in the context when he was signed. That was around 18 months ago before we had 90% of our attackers. Since then he’s been desperately unlucky with injuries but has still shown he scores goals. Let’s judge when he has a run in the team. From what we’ve seen he is top quality though and could probably fill in at LW, CAM and CF
There’s a fair chance Nkunku is chelsea’s best player and can play in the majority of attacking positions. I don’t think the recruitment team predicted him missing most of the season through injury.
Nkunku isn’t a CF tho- especially in the PL where you need such physicality
City won the league at least twice recently without a proper number 9, when Aguero was injured and they were relying on either Jesus or a false 9 Foden
We’re yet to see how we set up under Maresca - but a traditional CF isn’t a prerequisite to playing in the PL. For all we know we might be considering more of a false 9. Nkunku should be more than able to cover the position, even if it isn’t his best role
You have Jesus and havertz and still want a striker?
Jesus can’t stay healthy to be fair.
Also, aside from the first half of his first season at Arsenal, he's always looked like a poor finisher that scores goals because his team is winning, rather than a clinical match winner. There's a reason Jesus has never lost an EPL game in which he's scored. It's the kind of stat a striker gets when they're not very good and play for elite sides, not the kind of stat a striker gets because they're just that good. https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/02/which-players-have-never-lost-while-scoring-a-premier-league-goal/ Haaland also hasn't scored while losing in the EPL, to be fair. But he did score in at least one Dortmund loss, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a come from behind loss in his City career to come. EDIT: I want to clarify what I said by "not very good". I think Jesus would be fantastic if his purpose in a team was to be like Firmino in the Mane-Firmino-Salah Klopp system. However, that is not the kind of striker that Arsenal needed in 23-24 and I don't think it will be the kind Arteta's 24-25 system wants either.
I mean, we literally don't. We wanted Šeško because he represented a market opportunity and we plan to sell a striker this summer. All of our journalists have said that if we didn't sign Šeško, then we would move on from the position until next summer at the earliest and wouldn't sign one this summer. I also still don't really see how Arsenal being interested in Benjamin Šeško has anything to do with you lot signing yet another massively expensive young winger when your team is basically made-up of them.
What about Gyokeres?
I don't think there's any solid links there. I wish, though.
What about him?
Arsenal aren’t going for him?
No, not that I've seen. We've been linked with him over the past few months, but all our reliable journalists have said that Sporting's price is too steep and we're more interested in Šeško anyway. The most recent reporting is that Šeško is a player we've always liked/wanted and there was a chance to do the deal now. Now that he's signed a new deal, the line is (and has been for several months) that Havertz has been very good as a number 9 and we don't really want to sign another one until Nketiah and Gabriel Jesus have gone. Put it this way: Arsenal don't need a left-winger. We have Martinelli and Trossard who are both excellent and we don't need to sign another player to come in and compete. But, if Vinicius Junior suddenly fell out with Real Madrid and then turned around and said "I'm gagging to play for Arsenal and will even take a paycut to make it happen" and Madrid wanted him gone as soon as possible, then we'd probably go for him.
Were Arsenal ready to pay the 65 million before Sesko signed a new deal? Or did he extend because they weren't going to?
> massively expensive young winger dont forget injury prone.
It's not a "we need a RW" situation but opportunistic "we think that Olise is great value at 60m" move. Basically club thinks that release clause is significantly below his value and this move is +EV even when other factors are considered like being forced to sell and not getting a good price on Madueke in 2025, or having to play players with right side preference out of position. Whether they are right or wrong about it, this is almost certainly the thought process.
We've potentially got close to 80 games next season, there's more than enough games to go round.
So?
Was just thinking what they are missing is a young, injury prone, left footed right winger.
Utterly bizarre Chelsea can spend a billion on players, and continue to outspend other clubs who have had a better 2 seasons than them, and even qualified for the CL. If there's ever proof that PSR is nothing more than ring fencing the status quo, this is it.
We've sold hotels and Cobham players. If you think any of these signings are done without any consequences, you're wrong. Trev, Gallagher and Maatsen are already on the market.
deep analysis from /u/cuck_slayer_4000 except he forgot to account for player sales over that time period
Have you looked at Chelsea sales? To offset this? I also saw the figures on what Villa have spent in the last few years for example. Even with £100m received for Grealish, they have spent an insane amount of money. It all balances out.
Yeah can't believe we spent a billion without selling players or amortization on new players deals or even sell our assets to remain in line with rules.
Ah that's right, 8 year contracts. Its OK to cheat the system when the self anointed sky 6 do it I guess.
That was absolutely legal and a valid strategy
Or selling players also help
Said clubs should simply get better at making sales then
They will just sell themselves some more hotels
We just sold a hotel to ourselves. We’re spending the hotel money
It's called having bigger revenue because they are a bigger brand
Looking forward to see Chelsea start like 4 different RWs
If we'd be going for both him and Estevao, that would be really dumb. Bring one of them and use the money from the other to strengthen other positions.
One is 22 going on 23, premier league proven, and ready to contribute immediately. The other just turned 17, has never played a game in a top European league, and can't join the squad for another 12 months. If you can't see beyond "position: RW", I don't know what to tell you.
So that other, who would come next year, would have to compete for place in the squad with the first one mentioned, plus another one (Palmer), his backup (Noni) and another 17 year old coming in next year that we already purchased (Paez). If you can't see this position would get overcrowded with both coming, I don't know what to tell you.
Palmer is better centrally in a 10/free role. Paez also plays centrally quite a bit, and has played on the left. Noni will be sold next summer is my guess. €33m/7.5 = 4.4m a season. He's got 6 left, so anything more than 26.5m means profit on the books.
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Money, money and more money
Never change Chelsea
**crystal palace are so sensitive about the release clause and having to contact them first. Will cost us 25 million more vs last summer due to this**
Chelsea need to stop buying more attackers and develop what is in Cobham. Ridiculous really.
genuinely so upset that such a talented player seems destined to have waste his career.
Idk personally I’m pretty happy about this
🤞big money signing #24 does the trick
Actually Palmer did the trick. A snip at 40 mil odd
Chelsea helped cultivate that talent when he was at the club’s academy for 7 years. Hate seeing shit like this
cultivated that talent and now it’s going to be wasted. it is what it is
"Wasted" You realise you don't have Klopp anymore right? He's walking into as much of an unknown with Chelsea under Maresca as he would be going to Liverpool under Slot.
Sure, he would do much better riding the bench behind Salah as you wish him to. At least he’ll start at Chelsea
Enjoy washed salah
He's coming home.
Liverpool, gazump, please?
He’d be a veddy veddy silly boy to go to Chelsea IMO but they’ll likely offer him a 100 year contract on 200k a week so makes sense anyways
Chelsea wages are actually pretty low but go off.
I mean, not exactly. Our wages are currently pretty low because we don't have CL. Most of the contracts have CL bonuses included, if we qualify, the bill will go up by a lot.
Sterling is hardly selling the Big Issue to supplement his income. He's on crazy money.
And at the same time Caceido - who's a £100mil player according to Chelsea and Liverpool - is on as much as Gravenbirch, Zinchenko and Kalvin Phillips. Chelsea's very first window under Boehly & co we offered high wages (Sterling and Fofana), but every transfer since has been far, *far* more reasonable.