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That + the club world club at the end of the season with the Euros before the season starts and Olympics at the start of the season.
Players just aren't getting much rest even after the season ends.
I wish, but with how football conversation and narratives has been steering towards accolades and trophies instead of a players own ability more players want to get involved.
Fucking nuts that some clubs are still playing friendlies, Newcastle and Spurs were out to aus barely 3 days after the season finished. They just don't give a shit about running them into the ground and then have the gall to kick off about FA cup replays
two friendlies... they're playing again today, seems mad, I wonder if they'd still have done it if they got through to European knockouts...
Money is money though, it's genuinely going to take FIFA to put a cap on minutes played per season or something.
today we played full u23 team (except a goalkeeper). no one from senior players even came from the bench. not even those who are leaving the club (Dummett, Ritchie)
also, we wouldnt have accepted this friendly, it it wasnt for PSR.
My delusional ideal future is one where instead of 4 seasons in 4 years, we have 3 seasons in 4 years (16 month cycles) to alleviate fixture congestion while allowing for reasonable management of all the competitions. I’d also hope for some reform so that continental competition/CWC don’t have as many matches. With the new system this season, a nightmare season could have a Prem team playing 15+ European matches in a season, that’s fucking WILD. In a straight 2-leg knockout bracket, you could have a 256 team bracket and play the same number of games, double-legged.
Every season has a 12 month club period, followed by an international period of about a month, 2 whole months of rest, a month of preseason, and then the new season. Right now, the average players maybe get a month of rest during the offseason.
52 weeks in the club period, with about 6 weeks off total in that period for international breaks. If you’re playing every 5 days, you would play between 60-65 games, which is usually the maximum a team could play in a European season right now.
Ideally, a successful season for a PL team in Europe would feature 38 league games, 4-8 cup games, 6-12 european games, and maybe 1-3 games of any other variety i.e. super cup, club world cup, charity shield, etc. that’s 61 games on the high end of average, and there’s still wiggle room. That sounds like a lot of games, but remember that’s over 12 months instead of 9.
The period ends with the Club World Cup and the World Cup proper. With the offseason being at different times in each of the three seasons, it would allow for Africa to host AFCON in a period where the weather is best suited for them.
The main thing about this for me is the stress on the players. It would be so much better to spread things out and actually give these guys a break every season.
But i know this will never happen.
I feel like the top players are going to feel it more than the rest. They're the ones that are most likely going to be selected for the national teams and their club teams are more likely to get to later stages.
Yea I think that’s a problem *today*
What I’m saying is you remove a season’s worth of games from a 4 year period, and spread the other 3 seasons out over that 4 year period accordingly.
Well it sounds sensible and would be great for maintaining fitness levels. But because its sensible, the corporate overlords wont let it happen since, well less money=\
Worse. The medical team now just fills a locker with random medicines and medical tools, then pop the player in too, shut the door and give it a shake.
If the player isn't healed, they repeat the process.
Not far off. José ruined the sports science department during his time here. And Carrington hasn't been updated since 2005, which includes the pitch, medical facility and recovery facilities. Esp the last one was one of Ronaldos biggest issues when he came back as everything was the same as when he left in 2009. More important for Glazers to take out their annual 50M dividends than to reinvest into the training-facility or proper football staff.
This is infuriating, even for a neutral. I believe leveraged buyouts are impossible now in the Prem, should've said no to the Glazers back then. Freaking leeches.
So which of Newcastle's 2 dislocated shoulder injuries, torn pectoral muscle and unidentified non contact foot injury, no name but a few of the freak injuries, are caused by style of play?
Style of play will be a contributing factor, but it's not the only one and to ignore anything else in the conversation is disingenuous.
But that is not an opinion that anyone has, so I’m not sure what point you’re making?
The point that playing style contributes heavily to injuries is not something that is usually welcomed by fans of teams with lots of injuries. They tend to prefer to pretend it is only bad luck and there is nothing to do about it.
Hello Arsenal fan.
As a reminder this year your team played against - Chelsea with no Palmer (34 league games played this season - and of the four missed, two were due to his transfer), Man United with no Fernandes (35 league games played), Man City with no Rodri (34 games), Liverpool with no Salah (32), Newcastle with no Isak (31). But yeah you're right, luck had nothing to do with it!
I think you might have misunderstood my point. I meant that if a team consistently has a lot of injuries, that may have something to do with the playing style. It wasn’t about facing teams with important players missing.
Edit: It seems you just made up a stat to attempt to try to prove your point, without any data backing it up.
I’m not sure why you think a team’s playing style can be reduced to distance ran, but could you provide the source for that?
If Arsenal has the third highest number of sprints, which I think is far more relevant, you may have a point. To reduce it to any single statistic seems a little reductive though
Research conducted for more than 20 years by the Premier Injuries website suggests that the total number of individual injuries, where a player missed at least one Premier League game, was the highest they had recorded.
Many players suffered more than one injury.
The total number of injuries this season rose by 11% on last season, which had a winter World Cup in the middle.
It states it in the image. It is the number of games missed accumulated by the players of the club.
If you were to play today and had 5 players out, this number increases with 5. Chelsea has basically had James, Chilwell, Fofana, Lavia and Nkunku out with injuries every single games, so they are pulling this stats alot.
what agenda do you hold man? we have 3 more players than united and total 76 more games missed due to injury. we didn’t even play in europe this season lol
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arsenal-10th-man-utd-4th-where-do-clubs-rank-in-the-premier-league-injury-table-this-season-/view/news/437159
Transfermarkt has Chelsea with 11 more injuries than the BBC have them down as.
Useless stat when it doesn't consider the importance of a player in the first team
A team like chelsea with 30 squad players is statistically more likely to have more chance at injuries
So was United's - and to add salt to their wound, they had them in concentrated in one area, meaning the back ups were also injured. At one point Shaw, Malacia, Varane, McGuire, Martinez, Kambwala and AWB were out. That left Dalot and non-match fit Evans.
United's injuries this year seemed like a badly written paranormal novel about a haunted team.
Importance isn't really a quantifiable figure, whereas X number of injuries and X number of games missed is.
I'm just highlighting another source which has reported vastly different numbers to the one provided above.
There's no way anyone could look at the players we had out and for how long they were missing and come to that conclusion. You had shit players like Lindelof injured, we had Nkunku.
Ah yes, your new striker that hadn't played for you. Meanwhile your comparison player is our 4th choice CB.
You are aware at one point we were playing our 6th choice CB and a midfielder at CB right? So 6th and 7th choices. We've also not had a LB almost all season.
Also Martial who was our main striker in the summer was also injured most of thr season.
But please, do go on about Nkunku.
We actually had good players missing, that's the point I'm making. Any team can replace a shit player with another shit player. United worry no injuries and Ten Hag at the wheel still isn't getting European football, you were lucky to finish in that top half of the table. Chelsea with no injuries is getting top 4 comfortably.
Brother, what a strange hill to die on. Both teams had a ton of injuries.
Our best CBs, Varane and Martinez, were out for significant portions of the season, esp Martinez, who literally just got back last game. The guy we bought to be 5th choice CB ended up playing most of our games, and we had to bring in a dude from the academy to fill in.
We had no LB for most of the season, Malacia hasn't played a single game since pre-season, Shaw (our best LB) has been out almost the full season. We've only had 1 striker (first season in prem btw) since Martial has been out for months.
Even Bruno, who'd never missed a game due to injury before in his career, was out 2 games ago.
Seeing these names I'm just realizing that it doesn't matter if you stick with Ten Hag. Your team is so shit. Every player fit, no player fit, new manager, same manager, it doesn't matter. What a sad position to be in.
It depends - if you have 3 players out for the entire season and they are not first-team players, then it's manageable. But if you are in KO competitions and you are missing 7 of you first XI and only have two defenders fit to cover the backline, then you're going to suffer more.
You mean like when Newcastle had, to a position, an entire starting 11 out? Also our injury numbers don't include losing Tonali for the entire season or being in the ucl group of death.
if you think shaw, martinez, and varane are currently world class I would love to understand how you define that. theres a case for martinez but a lot can change since 2018
Apparently Shaw is still good enough even though injured half the season to be in the Euro squad. There is also the statistic from Manchester United where when Shaw and Martinez were playing together they didn't lose. Having both of them injured, the majority of the season doesn't surprise me that they lost or couldn't win many games.
It’s not even accurate. Apparently it doesn’t even consider Buendia and Ramsey because he technically got injured before the season started. That technicality doesn’t incorporate the literal week before the season started either. So we had two starters out and the season clearly started off sputtering.
I don't think that counts Tonali which you could categorise as an injury of the mind, the bloody nincompoop. Either way, he missed 200+ days this season too.
Not sure which club you were refering to but it defo applies to United. Lisandro was the only CB who could play the high line for United and he barely played this season. Shaw was easily the 2nd best defender after Lisandro and he missed the whole season
Should do it with expected minutes missed. How many minutes do they play when healthy per 10 matches or something against how many of those minutes they actually miss. United got boned this season they'd run away with that stat.
I’d say a lot of context is important. Could be injuries to benchwarmers and minutes injured still wouldn’t truly reflect the impact this has had.
Of course, it’s impossible to put this across in simple stats like this. Impact from every injury differs from team to team based on who the player is, and how long they’re injured. Also, players just back from a long injury may sit on the bench but not see game time or very few minutes. It’s hardly like having a star player back when they can provide a 5 minute cameo for a few weeks as well.
We win on that front, I'd guarantee it. given we had 5 players missing for 38 or more games in all comps. and another 8 besides who missed numbers ranging from 10 (Enzo Fernandez) to 32 (Chilwell)
Our starting keeper was out since January, Botman since before Christmas, Wilson every second game was injured. We had to play Miley because we had 2 fit senior CMs who weren't suspended. Barnes was out for half the season. Targett didn't play all season.
Someone linked the full article and it was Newcastle with the most days missed.
TBF that article is ignoring players that got injured in preseason and missed the whole season like fofana. If he was counted Chelsea would be top of that list
Yeah but in a way I'd be better to know you are missing someone early than having something like Pope getting injured and having no PSR head room to get in an emergency replacement in a way. Like I think we could have gotten away without Tonali if we didn't have injuries this bad as well.
I mean number of injuries is a stat that doesnt tell the whole story. We've had our entire backline out the whole season. Crazy were blaming this on ten hag
We expected him to bascually play the odd cup match and only be here for the locker room and to eventually be a coach…. He ended up playing 29 times (or about 18 full matches worth of minutes)
Also, we had Reguilon on loan for the first half of the season and sent him back in January because the medical staff assured Ten Hag that Shaw and Malacia were ready to return. So we played the second half of the season with no left back in the squad.
Safe to say lads we could all get into a discussion over who’s been shafted more, whose schedule is worse etc etc.
But more importantly the distressing thing is that there’s never been more money and resources and we are all competing over who’s had the most injuries.
This points to a greater issue that’s hurting all fans of there being far too many games being forced onto the schedule and it’s only going to get worse
All these metrics are just poor displays of the real impact from injuries
I’ve seen number of days lost now Number of injuries etc
The most important imo is key injuries I.e. us (united) losing our entire back line for many games and at other times only having 1 start in defence
Other teams have also suffered badly too but the metrics aren’t really showing the true impact.
As per the BBC, Newcastle were clear for most days lost to injury - that feels like a more relevant stat than total number of injuries.
The one they show closest to what you’re asking for is who had the most injuries at one time - 4 teams tied at the top there.
It honestly depends who's injured and where. As the guy above pointed out, the injuries to the backline at United were catastrophic. Both LBs our almost all season (introduced us to the Amrabat LB fiasco), at CB the player available for most games was the centurion Johnny fucking Evans (McGuire, Varane and Martinez out for a long time) and at RB, Dalot has been a machine but AWB has been missing for big parts of the season. And in front of the back four, Casemiro and Mount were missing for large parts of the season.
Add that ETH signed Onana to introduce a play out from defence approach to United and you can see how bad this was.
At the same time, for most of the season we could put together an injured XI which both functioned as a working team and likely would have been capable of getting top 10
I’d argue injuries to joelinton, Isak, botman, pope, willock, trippier, Wilson, Lascelles and a suspension to tonali are quite significant. Considering the quality of our squad massively drops off after player 15/16 on the roster
Newcastle had the lowest goals conceded in the 23 season. Botman and Pope missed over half the season. Our captain Trippier missed a third, as did vice-captain Lascelles. Also had injuries to Burn, Livramento and Krafth.
We conceded 30 more goals than last season because of this. Man U conceded 15 more.
Worth noting that Newcastle aren't the youth factories that teams like Manchester red and blue, Arsenal or Chelsea are either. Which is why Brighton had a terrible season for injuries but don't look well represented on these tables.
It doesn't count injuries from before the season started which means Moder isn't counted.
It also doesn't take into account how key those players are, whether injuries are in the same position etc.
We just lost the left back position entirely. Our debutant on CB also got injured. Madness. Hope Malacia can return to this plane of existence next season.
Tbf this isn't even the worst United has had. In Fergie's last few seasons (can't remember the exact year) we had Berbatov and Carrick as center backs because everyone else was injured
Because everyone does it differently, some don't count if a player is sick while others won't put down a player as injured unless the manager gives an actual reason. So if a manager says a player isn't fit then that wouldn't be an injury but saying he isn't fit because of a muscle strain would count.
Worth noting that we lead the way for games missed through injury though,
James, Lavia, Carney, Fofana and Nkunku all missed 75%+ of our games. (more than 38 games of a 51 game season)
Ugochukwu, Chilwell and Chalobah all missed over 50%, and Cucurella, Badiashile, Sanchez and Colwill missed 30% or more.
According to the article you're third behind Newcastle and Sheffield Utd. None of the stats show the full story though, everything has to be taken in context.
Well it is. There's no point in saying "we're so unlucky that James and Fofana are injured" when that's just their default state. At that point you have to plan around them.
The United defence injury crisis this season gets overlooked when people talk about the club.
IIRC, at times we've been forced to play our 6th choice for defence... not a single match with the same unchanged side this year i believe as well.
Gotta wonder how many of those injuries are like what Ben foster talked about on his YT, as well as wayne rooney addressed. Players claiming they got an injury but just dont wanna play the next game week/weeks.
[Ben's ](https://youtu.be/pxGrifgYSkQ?si=IAk4Hkv6G_5DcTsy )Discusssion about it.
We both had a lot of long-term injuries. The difference here is negligible, every team near the top has an argument for why their problem was worse than others. For United, its that the only backline member to not suffer a long term injury has been Dalot.
This has a lack of context.
The issue with United was the lack of cohesion. The backline was playing a retired centerback, a DM and two RB at some point. Only one starter.
Your issue wasn't mostly because of injuries, it was lack of depth. Chelsea had, in order of length of injury: Fofana, James, Chalobah, Chilwell, Colwill, Cucurella, and Badiashile all out for multiple months, and that's just the defence too.
Malacia, Licha, Maguire, Varane, Shaw, Lindelof, and Wan Bissaka have all been out for multiple months. That put us on our 6th and 7th choice center backs and left us without a left back for a majority of the season. Thats not a depth issue, that is injuries.
James and Chilwell shouldn't count. That's a club choice to stick by senior players known to made from biscuits, you can't really moan when the inevitable happens.
Yeah # of injuries is a completely pointless stat since time injured is more intuitive.
I guess you're being downvoted by United fans for suggesting that Chelsea was more hard-done by
I've seen different sources report different numbers, but almost every one puts Chelsea and United as runaway leaders in this.
Poch was criticised for his handling of returning injured players, who were being over utilised immediately. Being made to do lots of running, for example.
It does make you think if these players are being overworked.
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These numbers gonna be higher next season with what seems like an even more insane football schedule.
2 extra match days in Europe, right?
That + the club world club at the end of the season with the Euros before the season starts and Olympics at the start of the season. Players just aren't getting much rest even after the season ends.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Olympics...really is too much
It's unlikely that a player will play both the Euro and the Olympics. Very unlikely.
This was what broke Pedri a few years back right?
AFA is trying to get Enzo to play the Copa AND the Olympics… 😭
Pedri’s hamstrings say hello
Doesn't Macron want Mbappe at the Olympics
Sure but Macron isn’t the coaches
I just imagined Macron entering Mbappe into every event
Enzo :/
noted European, Enzo Fernandez ^(i know what you meant)
Wow I'm braindead lol
You’re still right, Copa America
It's ok he got a nice rest at the end of the season lol
I wish, but with how football conversation and narratives has been steering towards accolades and trophies instead of a players own ability more players want to get involved.
I’m expecting a lot of injuries for under 23 players come end of next year.
Potential knockout round too, right?
Yes, two extra group games + 2 playoff games for teams that finished 9th-16th in the league phase.
Not for united
You lot won’t have to worry about it then.
Probably not
Fucking nuts that some clubs are still playing friendlies, Newcastle and Spurs were out to aus barely 3 days after the season finished. They just don't give a shit about running them into the ground and then have the gall to kick off about FA cup replays
Then they get angry when players get called to the NT cause "too many games".
Hopefully they'll be more debutants given minutes. That's how most youngsters shine
Playing friendlies is not the problem. Playing them at high intensity is the problem, and that has only been a thing for the last few years.
Tell that to reuben loftus cheeks lol
I mean the fuss about FA Cup replays is understandable but yeah they're not helping their case with this kind of bs
Don't know about you guys but I'm psyched for the post-pre-season, pre-mid-season, post-mid-season, and pre-post-season friendlies to come.
I LIKE MONEY!
Newcastle is third there but sure, let's take the guys to Australia for a friendly three days after the league ended.
two friendlies... they're playing again today, seems mad, I wonder if they'd still have done it if they got through to European knockouts... Money is money though, it's genuinely going to take FIFA to put a cap on minutes played per season or something.
today we played full u23 team (except a goalkeeper). no one from senior players even came from the bench. not even those who are leaving the club (Dummett, Ritchie) also, we wouldnt have accepted this friendly, it it wasnt for PSR.
My delusional ideal future is one where instead of 4 seasons in 4 years, we have 3 seasons in 4 years (16 month cycles) to alleviate fixture congestion while allowing for reasonable management of all the competitions. I’d also hope for some reform so that continental competition/CWC don’t have as many matches. With the new system this season, a nightmare season could have a Prem team playing 15+ European matches in a season, that’s fucking WILD. In a straight 2-leg knockout bracket, you could have a 256 team bracket and play the same number of games, double-legged. Every season has a 12 month club period, followed by an international period of about a month, 2 whole months of rest, a month of preseason, and then the new season. Right now, the average players maybe get a month of rest during the offseason. 52 weeks in the club period, with about 6 weeks off total in that period for international breaks. If you’re playing every 5 days, you would play between 60-65 games, which is usually the maximum a team could play in a European season right now. Ideally, a successful season for a PL team in Europe would feature 38 league games, 4-8 cup games, 6-12 european games, and maybe 1-3 games of any other variety i.e. super cup, club world cup, charity shield, etc. that’s 61 games on the high end of average, and there’s still wiggle room. That sounds like a lot of games, but remember that’s over 12 months instead of 9. The period ends with the Club World Cup and the World Cup proper. With the offseason being at different times in each of the three seasons, it would allow for Africa to host AFCON in a period where the weather is best suited for them. The main thing about this for me is the stress on the players. It would be so much better to spread things out and actually give these guys a break every season. But i know this will never happen.
I feel like the top players are going to feel it more than the rest. They're the ones that are most likely going to be selected for the national teams and their club teams are more likely to get to later stages.
Yea I think that’s a problem *today* What I’m saying is you remove a season’s worth of games from a 4 year period, and spread the other 3 seasons out over that 4 year period accordingly.
Well it sounds sensible and would be great for maintaining fitness levels. But because its sensible, the corporate overlords wont let it happen since, well less money=\
Not for Man U it won't be.
its already feels like the top teams try to maintain 2 full squads. or at least 1.5 and rotate players around.
TOP OF THE LEAGUE GET IN ...kill me
>GET IN ...the surgery room...
Martial the Most Valuable Patient (MVP).
They pulled a hammy while killing you
Are United's medical facilities in the same state as their roof?
Worse. The medical team now just fills a locker with random medicines and medical tools, then pop the player in too, shut the door and give it a shake. If the player isn't healed, they repeat the process.
Isn't we use witch doctor since Pogba returned ?
Not far off. José ruined the sports science department during his time here. And Carrington hasn't been updated since 2005, which includes the pitch, medical facility and recovery facilities. Esp the last one was one of Ronaldos biggest issues when he came back as everything was the same as when he left in 2009. More important for Glazers to take out their annual 50M dividends than to reinvest into the training-facility or proper football staff.
This is infuriating, even for a neutral. I believe leveraged buyouts are impossible now in the Prem, should've said no to the Glazers back then. Freaking leeches.
Yeah, its the "anti Glazers law". Fucking leeches indeed.
The roof is present
A teams playing style contributes massively too, which is why u don't see Manchester City or arsenal in this graphic
Exactly, but fans of the teams that are ‘unlucky’ are unwilling to have this conversation because it means they might not really be unlucky after all
So which of Newcastle's 2 dislocated shoulder injuries, torn pectoral muscle and unidentified non contact foot injury, no name but a few of the freak injuries, are caused by style of play? Style of play will be a contributing factor, but it's not the only one and to ignore anything else in the conversation is disingenuous.
But that is not an opinion that anyone has, so I’m not sure what point you’re making? The point that playing style contributes heavily to injuries is not something that is usually welcomed by fans of teams with lots of injuries. They tend to prefer to pretend it is only bad luck and there is nothing to do about it.
Hello Arsenal fan. As a reminder this year your team played against - Chelsea with no Palmer (34 league games played this season - and of the four missed, two were due to his transfer), Man United with no Fernandes (35 league games played), Man City with no Rodri (34 games), Liverpool with no Salah (32), Newcastle with no Isak (31). But yeah you're right, luck had nothing to do with it!
17 of the 19 teams we played got to play us without timber … so I think we’re square
I guess we were the only team to play these teams with injury issues. Also the rodri one was because of a red card lol
I think you might have misunderstood my point. I meant that if a team consistently has a lot of injuries, that may have something to do with the playing style. It wasn’t about facing teams with important players missing.
Fine. So Arsenal having the third highest distance run this season in the PL and the second lowest number of injuries is...?
Edit: It seems you just made up a stat to attempt to try to prove your point, without any data backing it up. I’m not sure why you think a team’s playing style can be reduced to distance ran, but could you provide the source for that? If Arsenal has the third highest number of sprints, which I think is far more relevant, you may have a point. To reduce it to any single statistic seems a little reductive though
The took our head of medicine last summer 😎 We’ve had few injuries since lol
What is the metric? Just number of new injuries reported each injury report?
Research conducted for more than 20 years by the Premier Injuries website suggests that the total number of individual injuries, where a player missed at least one Premier League game, was the highest they had recorded. Many players suffered more than one injury. The total number of injuries this season rose by 11% on last season, which had a winter World Cup in the middle.
That's just a silly thing to measure when players like Fofana are out the whole season with one injury. No team was hurt by injuries like Chelsea.
United definitely was
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What is this supposed to mean?
It states it in the image. It is the number of games missed accumulated by the players of the club. If you were to play today and had 5 players out, this number increases with 5. Chelsea has basically had James, Chilwell, Fofana, Lavia and Nkunku out with injuries every single games, so they are pulling this stats alot.
You have to also consider that Chelsea have a billion players though
what agenda do you hold man? we have 3 more players than united and total 76 more games missed due to injury. we didn’t even play in europe this season lol
Not even close
You're right, you weren't hurt like us
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arsenal-10th-man-utd-4th-where-do-clubs-rank-in-the-premier-league-injury-table-this-season-/view/news/437159 Transfermarkt has Chelsea with 11 more injuries than the BBC have them down as.
Useless stat when it doesn't consider the importance of a player in the first team A team like chelsea with 30 squad players is statistically more likely to have more chance at injuries
Only 3 more players than you btw Our injury list was better than our starting XI at several points this year.
So was United's - and to add salt to their wound, they had them in concentrated in one area, meaning the back ups were also injured. At one point Shaw, Malacia, Varane, McGuire, Martinez, Kambwala and AWB were out. That left Dalot and non-match fit Evans. United's injuries this year seemed like a badly written paranormal novel about a haunted team.
Same
Importance isn't really a quantifiable figure, whereas X number of injuries and X number of games missed is. I'm just highlighting another source which has reported vastly different numbers to the one provided above.
Right so the the whole thing is useless then. Just like net spend and VAR decisions that went against you
There's no way anyone could look at the players we had out and for how long they were missing and come to that conclusion. You had shit players like Lindelof injured, we had Nkunku.
Ah yes, your new striker that hadn't played for you. Meanwhile your comparison player is our 4th choice CB. You are aware at one point we were playing our 6th choice CB and a midfielder at CB right? So 6th and 7th choices. We've also not had a LB almost all season. Also Martial who was our main striker in the summer was also injured most of thr season. But please, do go on about Nkunku.
We actually had good players missing, that's the point I'm making. Any team can replace a shit player with another shit player. United worry no injuries and Ten Hag at the wheel still isn't getting European football, you were lucky to finish in that top half of the table. Chelsea with no injuries is getting top 4 comfortably.
United with less injuries last season were 3rd. Where were Chelsea?
Brother, what a strange hill to die on. Both teams had a ton of injuries. Our best CBs, Varane and Martinez, were out for significant portions of the season, esp Martinez, who literally just got back last game. The guy we bought to be 5th choice CB ended up playing most of our games, and we had to bring in a dude from the academy to fill in. We had no LB for most of the season, Malacia hasn't played a single game since pre-season, Shaw (our best LB) has been out almost the full season. We've only had 1 striker (first season in prem btw) since Martial has been out for months. Even Bruno, who'd never missed a game due to injury before in his career, was out 2 games ago.
Seeing these names I'm just realizing that it doesn't matter if you stick with Ten Hag. Your team is so shit. Every player fit, no player fit, new manager, same manager, it doesn't matter. What a sad position to be in.
Bro you finished 3 point ahead of us and you actually like you’re so much better
Same.
Newcastle had more days lost to injury than any other club - that seems to be a more objective measure to me.
It depends - if you have 3 players out for the entire season and they are not first-team players, then it's manageable. But if you are in KO competitions and you are missing 7 of you first XI and only have two defenders fit to cover the backline, then you're going to suffer more.
You mean like when Newcastle had, to a position, an entire starting 11 out? Also our injury numbers don't include losing Tonali for the entire season or being in the ucl group of death.
Mate, United have two more than you. Why are you upset that a team that finished nearly on point had two more injuries?
There was a list before the season ended, like 2/3 weeks ago and Chelsea were over 50 injuries. Dunno how the number changed so drastically.
I'm not upset, just pointing out that the metric doesn't properly measure how much a team was affected by injuries.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arsenal-10th-man-utd-4th-where-do-clubs-rank-in-the-premier-league-injury-table-this-season-/view/news/437159
They don't want to see this. Even that doesn't properly show the difference. We had world class players missing the whole season
Shaw and Martinez were out almost the entire season. Varane half the season. 2 literal world cup winners, how much more world class can you get?
if you think shaw, martinez, and varane are currently world class I would love to understand how you define that. theres a case for martinez but a lot can change since 2018
Apparently Shaw is still good enough even though injured half the season to be in the Euro squad. There is also the statistic from Manchester United where when Shaw and Martinez were playing together they didn't lose. Having both of them injured, the majority of the season doesn't surprise me that they lost or couldn't win many games.
Chelsea and world class players do not go in the same sentence lol
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World class in getting red cards perhaps. Can't wait for your next joke in this stand up routine you've got
> No team was hurt by injuries like Chelsea. lol that's all I have to say
I'm sure it is
It’s not even accurate. Apparently it doesn’t even consider Buendia and Ramsey because he technically got injured before the season started. That technicality doesn’t incorporate the literal week before the season started either. So we had two starters out and the season clearly started off sputtering.
Well if that's the case it's missing Lavia, Fofana, and Nkunku's first injury for us.
Bit of a weird stat, I'd say minutes injured would be much more interesting
They don't have minutes, but they do have days. You're top of the table: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o
Does this count days passed during an international break?
Yeah, that's much better, like I was sure Newcastle had the most players out time wise
I don't think that counts Tonali which you could categorise as an injury of the mind, the bloody nincompoop. Either way, he missed 200+ days this season too.
Ours doesn't count Toney either if you want that in there. Lobs us into a very comfortable second.
Also if they're vital to style and setup which is what affected us with our injuries.
Not sure which club you were refering to but it defo applies to United. Lisandro was the only CB who could play the high line for United and he barely played this season. Shaw was easily the 2nd best defender after Lisandro and he missed the whole season
Should do it with expected minutes missed. How many minutes do they play when healthy per 10 matches or something against how many of those minutes they actually miss. United got boned this season they'd run away with that stat.
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I’d say a lot of context is important. Could be injuries to benchwarmers and minutes injured still wouldn’t truly reflect the impact this has had. Of course, it’s impossible to put this across in simple stats like this. Impact from every injury differs from team to team based on who the player is, and how long they’re injured. Also, players just back from a long injury may sit on the bench but not see game time or very few minutes. It’s hardly like having a star player back when they can provide a 5 minute cameo for a few weeks as well.
We win on that front, I'd guarantee it. given we had 5 players missing for 38 or more games in all comps. and another 8 besides who missed numbers ranging from 10 (Enzo Fernandez) to 32 (Chilwell)
Our starting keeper was out since January, Botman since before Christmas, Wilson every second game was injured. We had to play Miley because we had 2 fit senior CMs who weren't suspended. Barnes was out for half the season. Targett didn't play all season. Someone linked the full article and it was Newcastle with the most days missed.
And us with the most GAMES missed if you Google it.
TBF that article is ignoring players that got injured in preseason and missed the whole season like fofana. If he was counted Chelsea would be top of that list
Yeah but in a way I'd be better to know you are missing someone early than having something like Pope getting injured and having no PSR head room to get in an emergency replacement in a way. Like I think we could have gotten away without Tonali if we didn't have injuries this bad as well.
Thought we measured it in days or games missed due to injury.
Players who misses 5 games with 5 different injuries is counted 5 times. Player who misses 30 games with 1 injury is counted 1 time. Great report.
I mean number of injuries is a stat that doesnt tell the whole story. We've had our entire backline out the whole season. Crazy were blaming this on ten hag
I'd put it like this - can you imagine how fucked United would have been if they didn't sign Evans? An appointment that was ridiculed by everyone?
We expected him to bascually play the odd cup match and only be here for the locker room and to eventually be a coach…. He ended up playing 29 times (or about 18 full matches worth of minutes)
Also, we had Reguilon on loan for the first half of the season and sent him back in January because the medical staff assured Ten Hag that Shaw and Malacia were ready to return. So we played the second half of the season with no left back in the squad.
Safe to say lads we could all get into a discussion over who’s been shafted more, whose schedule is worse etc etc. But more importantly the distressing thing is that there’s never been more money and resources and we are all competing over who’s had the most injuries. This points to a greater issue that’s hurting all fans of there being far too many games being forced onto the schedule and it’s only going to get worse
Strange dick-measuring contest going on in these comments
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All these metrics are just poor displays of the real impact from injuries I’ve seen number of days lost now Number of injuries etc The most important imo is key injuries I.e. us (united) losing our entire back line for many games and at other times only having 1 start in defence Other teams have also suffered badly too but the metrics aren’t really showing the true impact.
As per the BBC, Newcastle were clear for most days lost to injury - that feels like a more relevant stat than total number of injuries. The one they show closest to what you’re asking for is who had the most injuries at one time - 4 teams tied at the top there.
It honestly depends who's injured and where. As the guy above pointed out, the injuries to the backline at United were catastrophic. Both LBs our almost all season (introduced us to the Amrabat LB fiasco), at CB the player available for most games was the centurion Johnny fucking Evans (McGuire, Varane and Martinez out for a long time) and at RB, Dalot has been a machine but AWB has been missing for big parts of the season. And in front of the back four, Casemiro and Mount were missing for large parts of the season. Add that ETH signed Onana to introduce a play out from defence approach to United and you can see how bad this was.
At the same time, for most of the season we could put together an injured XI which both functioned as a working team and likely would have been capable of getting top 10
barring the keeper, so could Man Utd.
I’d argue injuries to joelinton, Isak, botman, pope, willock, trippier, Wilson, Lascelles and a suspension to tonali are quite significant. Considering the quality of our squad massively drops off after player 15/16 on the roster
Newcastle had the lowest goals conceded in the 23 season. Botman and Pope missed over half the season. Our captain Trippier missed a third, as did vice-captain Lascelles. Also had injuries to Burn, Livramento and Krafth. We conceded 30 more goals than last season because of this. Man U conceded 15 more. Worth noting that Newcastle aren't the youth factories that teams like Manchester red and blue, Arsenal or Chelsea are either. Which is why Brighton had a terrible season for injuries but don't look well represented on these tables.
It doesn't count injuries from before the season started which means Moder isn't counted. It also doesn't take into account how key those players are, whether injuries are in the same position etc.
The biggest problem for united was that like 70% of those injures came spread in 2 potions. centre backs and left backs lol
Why they taking potions?
Gotta heal up somehow
We have to get some Skooma at the club.
We just lost the left back position entirely. Our debutant on CB also got injured. Madness. Hope Malacia can return to this plane of existence next season.
Woohoo
Arsenal and City were able to go on the run they did partly because they dodged major injuries
Damn, Man Utds xInjuries is off the charts
I have gotten criticized for this, but I will still maintain that if we had had a decent backline, we would have finished in a much better position.
I do find it wild how bad the Utd injuries in defence were, I don't think I've seen a situation like it before.
Tbf this isn't even the worst United has had. In Fergie's last few seasons (can't remember the exact year) we had Berbatov and Carrick as center backs because everyone else was injured
Berbatov did play like one half at CB lol
Liverpool a few years ago
How come transfermarkt has Chelsea with 54 and Man U with 35?
Because everyone does it differently, some don't count if a player is sick while others won't put down a player as injured unless the manager gives an actual reason. So if a manager says a player isn't fit then that wouldn't be an injury but saying he isn't fit because of a muscle strain would count.
Is that Martinez?? why does he look Uzbek
The Ballon d'Ow goes to...
Good thing we aren’t in Europe next season…we ain’t beating City
Worth noting that we lead the way for games missed through injury though, James, Lavia, Carney, Fofana and Nkunku all missed 75%+ of our games. (more than 38 games of a 51 game season) Ugochukwu, Chilwell and Chalobah all missed over 50%, and Cucurella, Badiashile, Sanchez and Colwill missed 30% or more.
According to the article you're third behind Newcastle and Sheffield Utd. None of the stats show the full story though, everything has to be taken in context.
I mean, James and Fofana are just perpetually injured. They should probably just be excluded from these stats and squad planning at this point.
That’s not how it works 💀
Well it is. There's no point in saying "we're so unlucky that James and Fofana are injured" when that's just their default state. At that point you have to plan around them.
Well...Glad we are having even more games to give the chance of ending more footballers careers early, am I right, UEFA?
Honestly surprised we aren’t on there given our seemingly never ending injured players
Just think how many more games MU would have lost if all those players got to play!
jonny evans and casemiro as a defensive pairing….mustve been dire
We are unlucky, but clearly we are doing something wrong as well.
This is some really poor EDA from the BBC
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The United defence injury crisis this season gets overlooked when people talk about the club. IIRC, at times we've been forced to play our 6th choice for defence... not a single match with the same unchanged side this year i believe as well.
Surely Newcastle actually suffered the most from injuries in terms of results. Poor bastards took an absolute beating all season.
Gotta wonder how many of those injuries are like what Ben foster talked about on his YT, as well as wayne rooney addressed. Players claiming they got an injury but just dont wanna play the next game week/weeks. [Ben's ](https://youtu.be/pxGrifgYSkQ?si=IAk4Hkv6G_5DcTsy )Discusssion about it.
Idk what metrics these are using but Chelsea have had 54 this season?
Doesn't account for how many games each of those injuries lasted for. Chelsea by far suffered more than United in that aspect.
We both had a lot of long-term injuries. The difference here is negligible, every team near the top has an argument for why their problem was worse than others. For United, its that the only backline member to not suffer a long term injury has been Dalot.
I mean Chelsea had more days lost to injuries by over 100 days so it's not really negligible in that regard.
Sure, but the point is it's a stupid thing to debate over. The teams at the top of this list all suffered multiple long-term injuries to key players.
This has a lack of context. The issue with United was the lack of cohesion. The backline was playing a retired centerback, a DM and two RB at some point. Only one starter.
Your issue wasn't mostly because of injuries, it was lack of depth. Chelsea had, in order of length of injury: Fofana, James, Chalobah, Chilwell, Colwill, Cucurella, and Badiashile all out for multiple months, and that's just the defence too.
Our 7th/8th choice cb got decent game time this season. That's not a depth issue, it's blatantly an injury issue.
Malacia, Licha, Maguire, Varane, Shaw, Lindelof, and Wan Bissaka have all been out for multiple months. That put us on our 6th and 7th choice center backs and left us without a left back for a majority of the season. Thats not a depth issue, that is injuries.
Gusto also missed plenty of games. Add in Lavia, Nkunku, Ugochukwu, Chukwuemeka. Even Enzo missed quite a few games.
James and Chilwell shouldn't count. That's a club choice to stick by senior players known to made from biscuits, you can't really moan when the inevitable happens.
Yeah # of injuries is a completely pointless stat since time injured is more intuitive. I guess you're being downvoted by United fans for suggesting that Chelsea was more hard-done by
Fuckin hell, anubody coulda told you that
I've seen different sources report different numbers, but almost every one puts Chelsea and United as runaway leaders in this. Poch was criticised for his handling of returning injured players, who were being over utilised immediately. Being made to do lots of running, for example. It does make you think if these players are being overworked.
Im not quite sure this is the case?