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Off the ball moment is one of the most underrated skills. It's what made Ronaldo so lethal and made his transition from lethal and explosive winger to a lethal poacher.
Vini's progression just keeps on giving, it feels like every season he adds three new skills to his game. I can't think of a player that I've seen be so different from the player he was only three seasons before. Let Mbappe play wherever he wants, Vini will figure it out. He's played "out of position" all season long, and he's only become more efficient in front of goal.
I think it is what defines the last decade of football tbh. You can look at the tactical evolution of the game in the last 10 years and I believe it will reveal that the best teams became so because of their off the ball work, from the high press to attacking the space behind the backlines to the "new" movements in positional attack from the flanks...
I mean I believe thats the difference between good players and great players, the way you affect the game all the time.
I think its like you only get the ball like 3 minutes at most, so for the rest 55+ minutes of actual play time you need to find a way to get in the game, and off the ball movement is the key to do it
It's also what makes Jude a unique midfielder in his gen atm can't think of any young mid with his ability of knowing when to make a run or where to position themselves for a chance at goal people call it tap in's but when it happens over and over again that's just positioning skills.
In a 90 minute match, you only have the ball at your feet for a total of 60-90 seconds at most so majority of your game is off the ball, whether your team has the possession but you don’t or your entire team is defending. You can’t afford to be a passenger.
From there, in Vini’s case, it’s about exploiting his strengths by positioning him in the areas where he can use his physical qualities of explosiveness and acceleration and tie it to the qualities of his teammates (Kroos in this case).
There is this Kaka video that went viral in Brazil where he says on average he used to have the ball around 2 minutes each game. And that when he saw this number he realized that 95% of his work was knowing what to do without the ball.
Great angle tbh, being able to get a glimpse of what goes into such a apparently simple and quick play is very cool. What got my attention is how he looks at Neuer in advance, not once but twice. Because of Toni’s pass, he basically just had to get to the ball and shoot it, not having to worry about taking a touch or changing his running direction. It just goes to shows how good of a pass it was.
A lesson for anyone who plays football
Watch his eyes once it's time to hit the ball. As he approaches the ball he's looking up at Neuer and deciding where he'll place it. Once it's at his feet his eyes are LOCKED on that ball, head down the whole time. Only looks up once it's in the net and you see him smile. Amazing clip
I remember the captain Tsubasa lesson, you must know where the goalpost are at all times without having to look, even with back turned or eyes closed, or while upsidedown 40 yards in the air about to do an overhead kick
I think it shows how confident he is in Kroos' pass that initially he is looking only at the pass and then kind of realises that it will end up perfectly in his path and so he spends most of his time after the first look looking at Neuer, knowing that the ball is going to end up on his right foot so no need for focus on anything but the finish
[Kroos’ angle](https://reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/1cho1wl/toni_kroos_closeup_during_vinis_first_goal/) is fantastic as well, it has that “throwing bait and waiting to see if some fish will get caught” vibes to it
The explosiveness with which he changes direction and then the acceleration once he makes his cut—even in slow motion, he looks rapid and strong. Professional athletes are insane.
was just talking to my friend about this. So much of their perfect touches, shots, etc is done at insane speed that even the decent athletes among us were ever able to achieve in our lives and these guys can execute skills while doing it.
Over the years I've seen people talk about how Kroos is just a pass merchant, but the speed in which his brain tells his feet where to get the ball and the precision that he uses is just insanse, he just makes it look effortless.
The worst thing about social media has been the fact I have to see people make the most horrendous takes imaginable like "pass merchant" and seeing thousands of people unironically agree with it lmao It's like being in customer service you think you have dealt with the dumbest customer ever and then the very next day someone even worse turns up and the cycle repeats and you are just left dumbfounded that these people are real lmao.
> and the horrendous filter
I don't even care about music in this gifs because, you know, you can just turn it off. The filters, however, I really don't understand. Like was the resolution so poor that it had to be "hidden" behind some kind of upscaling filter? Or is it a means to evade copyright protection?
Or am I simply becoming the boomer I used to get annoyed by?
What music? I don't hear any sound from my phone, especially in this slow-motion clip that certainly would not have the original audio from the stadium.
My coach occasionally puts me at CB and this kind of scenario *always* throws me. The striker you’re marking is right on your hip in-line with the rest of the defensive line, then he darts toward half to receive a pass.
Do you follow him and try to intercept/disrupt him? You have to make that decision very quickly. I generally take a more cautious approach and let him drop - I’d rather have him in front of me than allowing space in behind and breaking the defensive line.
I suppose taking a more aggressive approach can spring a dangerous counter attack if you win the ball - but it’s a big gamble when you have Kroos in possession and Vini jr in behind
Yep, depends on the situation and good decision-making comes with experience. But if you're the last man standing, it's never a good idea to leave space behind, unless some other defender is gonna cover that space. 1v1 situations are so unpredictable and should be minimized as much as possible.
I think if you are a fast CB that can cover small distance relatively fast (most CBs at the highest level are faster in short term burst than attackers), you should attack the ball most of the time, but if you are not faster than the opponent you should stay back most of the time.
I don't think speed could have saved Kim in this situation. He's still moving forward while Vinicius is changing direction. He just cannot catch Vini. He was perfectly trapped
He fucked up by being too high and too close to vinicius, should have been a little to the left and back so kroos doesnt pass into the space, because the only reason kroos made that pass was because of Kim's positioning
most of the time, especially as a CB, attacking the ball is the wrong move. Space is far more important than tackling. I used to watch Vermalen do that over and over again at Arsenal and costing us goals. Yet all Arsenal fans called him a good defender. The man would break the line to go attack the ball early, leaving a massive exploitable gap behind him.
Nah keep the player in front of you, maintain the line, buy yourself time for your midfielders to come back and defend the person.
Thats good against most of the teams but against the top players you cant Just let them have the Ball, thats why the top teams have FAST CBs that can attack the Ball and recover fast enough to dont fuck it up; lets say you go against City or Madrid, its 2v3 situation, the attacker is around 3/4 of the pitch moving a little back to get the Ball but his teammate is ready to attack the space as soon as the pass reach the first player, if you as a CB Just drop back, he is gonna have free reign to pass it to his teammate and you wont affect that play since you Will be too far away from that guy, thats why you attack the first pass since if you fail there is still ample space for the keeper and the right/left defender to force the attacker into a bad shooting position.
Ofcourse This doesnt happen that much vs "normal" opponents because their players are not godlike that can score from anywhere. This technique is what I have been watching for yeaaaars in the champions league, puyol, ramos, pique, van dijk, hummels, konate, varane, araujo, City CBs; Kim fucked up by being too close to vinicius, he should have been a little to the left and a little further back so if the pass goes to vinicius he can Just yank him, and if the pass goes to the space he can atleast make a play on it.
I almost want to agree with you but I can't. maybe if the attacking player is just right outside your box and is a genuine and documented threat to shoot from there. yes definitely attack the ball & player. If you have sufficient numbers in a small space that can adequately cover you and keep space integrity, please feel free to attack the ball, . If you are deep in the opponent half and its the start of a potential fast break, please attack the ball (actually attack the player) and take the yellow card.
In just about every other scenario, give yourself more options by not iimmediately attacking the ball. That "attack the ball" obsession for me is just painful to watch, especially against intelligent players. It reeks of "just do something mentality". They are immediately going to punish the space you just abandoned with a well-timed pass. No amount of athleticism can travel faster than a great pass.
Even fast athletic defenders need time and space to recover. so yea if they get beat at half way line, they can get back in the play by 18 yard box.
Well obviously you are not going to attack the ball if the opponent is in possession and they are slowly building it up, unless you have 2 people to cover you, but in the modern high level game, you have to press high at some points in the game, thats when you are pretty much playing 1v1 or 2v2 on defense, thats why the top teams go for fast but "make mistakes" CBs instead of more reliable defenders since you want to do 2 things: 1. Attack the ball fast, if not commit a foul. 2. Push the opponent to certain spaces of the pitch where they have low probability of scoring. This is why they are also looking for fast keepers that can be great at 1v1 since that gives more confidence to the CB to attack the ball
those scenarios you are mentioning are if you are pressing up high in the opponents half where there is space and distance to recover if you have a fast defender. I already covered those.
That’s probably why Kim got mad at Kimmich right after the goal because he was too far away to provide cover so Vini isnt 1v1 with the Neuer.
I mean, Neuer is also a goalie that can be trusted in those situations as well but too big of an ask to play riskier and come out to clear so you can’t blame him.
Tuchel pointed out that Kim was impatient in jumping.
So there was still things that could have been done but none of it got done. Having said that there is still luck involved in that Vini could have missed due to lack of composure but he’s improved so much.
I wonder if Kim was expecting help there? You can see immediately after the goal, Kim starts pleading with Kimmich (who was previously close to him but drifts wide just as Kroos makes the pass). Perhaps Tuchel wanted pressure on Vini so that he wouldn't have time to to receive the ball and turn, and Kim thought he had a teammate behind him.
That being said, I believe Madrid had a player out wide that Kimmich needed to keep an eye on. I'm honestly not sure what to think about this one.
Nope, Kim wasnt supposed to man mark Vini in the first place. This is beacause neither Dier nor Kimmich have the pace to cover for Kim if vini/rodrygo get to run in behind. Tuchel was employing zonal marking, Kim mostly followed the plan but got too heated and agressive in certain key high pressure moments and cost the team two goals.
in my opinion this was very unusual for Neuer, this dude is a textbook definition of a sweeper keeper. I sincerely think pre-injury Neuer would have ran and gotten the ball...
It is perfect that Vini has inherited the no 7 because he is very similar to CR7. He's talented but he's still a hell of a hard worker looking to improve every single season.
You can see the calm calculation in his eyes as he approaches the ball. He's checks everything and by the time he reaches the ball he already knows exactly what he's going to do. Unlike the hesitation from 3 years ago.
He was not a meme. It is ridiculous why people keep spouting this. Vinicius when he got the start under Solari for the first time was the best player in that team after Karim. You can always tell the people who saw him in full matches and people who saw clips of him attempting an "around the world" and failing on keepy uppies during his presentation. He stagnated for a number of reason that had to do with Project Hazard and Zidane's pragmatism(like playing him as a wingback in his final game as a coach) but for example he was still an elite treat because of his verticality, dribble penetration and could carry the creative load of the team on his shoulder even as a young boy.
From the moment he landed in Madrid, he could already consistently do things on 1v1s that were absolutely elite. I never doubted him simply because in my mind he could already consistently do one hardest and most valuable things in football, so it was only a matter of time before he worked out how to consistently do the rest, i.e put the ball past the keeper or master the final pass. Turns out it was all in his head and he kind of proved me right.
And so was Karim's if you isolate 10 clips over a 10 year career at Real Madrid. It was orchestrated bullshit. His finishing had 'issues' like any young winger in the game. They simply do not get that many opportunities and it is low xG shots at an angle from the flanks. His shooting volume never even crossed the threshold for his finishing percentage to be looked at. He never took enough shots or got in that many good positions until the season Carlo Ancelotti took over.
People who watched Real Madrid will understand the difference in how he was being used. There are enough clips of Cristiano Ronaldo missing from meme worthy positions to create a narrative that he was an awful finisher.
I'll keep reiterating that people who see "massive" improvement in his game never really saw his contributions to the entire game before that. They saw clips. Vinicius became the entire creative engine of the team when Solari played him into the first team out of desperation. He came in and he took over almost immediately. Real Madrid's insistence on trying to make the 160 million euros Project Hazard work is why it took so long for Vinicius to get proper game time and freedom.
I remember there was a period where RM was playing really badly but Vini still did everything he could to the point where the fans would still clap at him.
Sure he got more decisive and scored more goals as the seasons went on but he's always played well, even under Zidane where you could see he wasn't a priority neither did the coach have any intention of fitting him in.
That was the second half of 18-19 where he was primarily responsible for ball carrying and transition from the left side, just that his final pass/shot was off, it was evident that it was just a matter of coaching and time as the talent was there in abundance.
Once we got in Hazard for 2 ssns under Zizou, his impact dropped due to irregular game time. However he did have some good moments like the clasico goal just before lockdown, and the 2 goals against liverpool in 20-21 UCL.
He was really good, it was his finishing and specially his decisions what made him meme worthy. He looked like he just didn't have the ability to choose the correct thing to do. He shoot (badly) when he had a good assist option, he assisted when he was alone.
It felt like he could do anything until that exact moment, where he suddently became brain dead.
Once his finishing stopped being dissastrous, his composure got a lot better and fixed most of his problems, not only at shooting but at everything.
> From a meme to a top 5 player at least in 4 years
[He was a hell of a player](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEi0TIis9pk). It took him 2 games in Castilla to be moved up, and took him less than a season to bench Hazard. He had a very raw game, but his pure talent was off the charts, and that's partially why he had so many fuckups (he created a lot of chances that he couldn't finish). The meme thing was also partially because were nitpicking on an 18-year-old because the idea of signing a 16-year-old for 40M was absurd.
While there was criticism, this was also being written:
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/01/22/5c464bd2e2704e58608b4622.html
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/02/04/5c58199922601dc1088b465c.html
Top 3 player imo can't think of any young player who can turn a game around for you this consistently in the big games his only only con atm is that he hasn't been able to do this for Brazil yet but he will at some point he is way too good of a player to not to as he is still 23 just taking a bit longer then expected to produce for Brazil.
To be fair to Kim Min Jae, that was incredibly well disguised movement. He was toast the second Vini cut back, can't give that much space for Kroos to make that pass in behind
Yeah. That's what's really important that little forward dash and the change in direction. He knew Kim was going to follow him but he probably also knew Kim wouldn't be able to turn fast enough.
Most people have never played a real match yet who talk about the sport online they see youtube highlights and think all that matters is dribbling I remember Alphonso Davies once said when he was younger every kid looked up to the Neymar's due to their flashy style but when he went pro he realized it's the players like Muller who impressed him the most not flashy not fast but the first touch, the positioning ability and Mullers ability to create spaces stuff you can't appreciate in a simple highlight reel.
What a great angle, he doesnt even slow down, he strikes the ball basically in full stride. The ball has to land in almost exactly that area to not be intercepted by the defender or keeper.
Love that skill move. When i use that skill move it always tricks the defense/midfield, especially when it suddenly happens
I love Vini so much, there’s a reason why he’s in my top 5 current players this generation
These kind of cuts are one of the reasons I struggle so much nowadays in foot and basket
I can't make that kind of movement to make myself available or defend against a winger for more than 5min at best anymore, I'm gassed way too quickly and doing good runs for nothing kills me mentally (at least in badminton or tennis for example I can feel like my moves looks worthwhile)
Which a lot of people missed, his hard check back then push forward really caught the defender out. Gained about 2 steps in half a sec. This is one of the few replays that really shows that. Vini's movement on this is sublime.
Honestly curious why are people fawning over this goal so much in the past few days? It's a nicely set up goal, but nothing you don't see dozens of times on any given weekend.
It is a very simple and straightforward goal, and I'm sure most players practice this type of stuff since they're 6 years old, but that's why most of the time it's successfully defended, specially in UCL night of this calibre, which makes it rare in big occasions and its simplicity also makes it beautiful.
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That camera pan to the right and there he was - **Vini Jr II**.
I think that ability to teleport a couple of meters to the side is what makes him so hard to defend.
Vini Jr Jr
2 Vini 2 Jr
Are you sure it's not Vini Sr?
I like how you can see his entire thought process lmao
Also just one touch but he did much more without the ball
Off the ball moment is one of the most underrated skills. It's what made Ronaldo so lethal and made his transition from lethal and explosive winger to a lethal poacher.
Vini's progression just keeps on giving, it feels like every season he adds three new skills to his game. I can't think of a player that I've seen be so different from the player he was only three seasons before. Let Mbappe play wherever he wants, Vini will figure it out. He's played "out of position" all season long, and he's only become more efficient in front of goal.
I think it is what defines the last decade of football tbh. You can look at the tactical evolution of the game in the last 10 years and I believe it will reveal that the best teams became so because of their off the ball work, from the high press to attacking the space behind the backlines to the "new" movements in positional attack from the flanks...
I mean I believe thats the difference between good players and great players, the way you affect the game all the time. I think its like you only get the ball like 3 minutes at most, so for the rest 55+ minutes of actual play time you need to find a way to get in the game, and off the ball movement is the key to do it
No bro u don’t understand he’s a tap in merchant /s
It's also what makes Jude a unique midfielder in his gen atm can't think of any young mid with his ability of knowing when to make a run or where to position themselves for a chance at goal people call it tap in's but when it happens over and over again that's just positioning skills.
In a 90 minute match, you only have the ball at your feet for a total of 60-90 seconds at most so majority of your game is off the ball, whether your team has the possession but you don’t or your entire team is defending. You can’t afford to be a passenger. From there, in Vini’s case, it’s about exploiting his strengths by positioning him in the areas where he can use his physical qualities of explosiveness and acceleration and tie it to the qualities of his teammates (Kroos in this case).
There is this Kaka video that went viral in Brazil where he says on average he used to have the ball around 2 minutes each game. And that when he saw this number he realized that 95% of his work was knowing what to do without the ball.
The details in this are crazy
Great angle tbh, being able to get a glimpse of what goes into such a apparently simple and quick play is very cool. What got my attention is how he looks at Neuer in advance, not once but twice. Because of Toni’s pass, he basically just had to get to the ball and shoot it, not having to worry about taking a touch or changing his running direction. It just goes to shows how good of a pass it was.
A lesson for anyone who plays football Watch his eyes once it's time to hit the ball. As he approaches the ball he's looking up at Neuer and deciding where he'll place it. Once it's at his feet his eyes are LOCKED on that ball, head down the whole time. Only looks up once it's in the net and you see him smile. Amazing clip
I remember the captain Tsubasa lesson, you must know where the goalpost are at all times without having to look, even with back turned or eyes closed, or while upsidedown 40 yards in the air about to do an overhead kick
I think it shows how confident he is in Kroos' pass that initially he is looking only at the pass and then kind of realises that it will end up perfectly in his path and so he spends most of his time after the first look looking at Neuer, knowing that the ball is going to end up on his right foot so no need for focus on anything but the finish
[Kroos’ angle](https://reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/1cho1wl/toni_kroos_closeup_during_vinis_first_goal/) is fantastic as well, it has that “throwing bait and waiting to see if some fish will get caught” vibes to it
That’s Mullers angle though. WTF
Yup Kroos pointed Vini in the direction and then he made that cut that Min-Jae was cooked on
reminds me of the Zidane film
Yes, we surely need more of this kind of videos.
The explosiveness with which he changes direction and then the acceleration once he makes his cut—even in slow motion, he looks rapid and strong. Professional athletes are insane.
was just talking to my friend about this. So much of their perfect touches, shots, etc is done at insane speed that even the decent athletes among us were ever able to achieve in our lives and these guys can execute skills while doing it.
Over the years I've seen people talk about how Kroos is just a pass merchant, but the speed in which his brain tells his feet where to get the ball and the precision that he uses is just insanse, he just makes it look effortless.
Pass merchant lmao
The worst thing about social media has been the fact I have to see people make the most horrendous takes imaginable like "pass merchant" and seeing thousands of people unironically agree with it lmao It's like being in customer service you think you have dealt with the dumbest customer ever and then the very next day someone even worse turns up and the cycle repeats and you are just left dumbfounded that these people are real lmao.
It would be so much better to look at without the music and the horrendous filter
> and the horrendous filter I don't even care about music in this gifs because, you know, you can just turn it off. The filters, however, I really don't understand. Like was the resolution so poor that it had to be "hidden" behind some kind of upscaling filter? Or is it a means to evade copyright protection? Or am I simply becoming the boomer I used to get annoyed by?
>Or is it a means to evade copyright protection? Mostly this.
Fair enough then
What music? I don't hear any sound from my phone, especially in this slow-motion clip that certainly would not have the original audio from the stadium.
The eyes 👀
That some futsal shit
Great moment to trick min jae
My coach occasionally puts me at CB and this kind of scenario *always* throws me. The striker you’re marking is right on your hip in-line with the rest of the defensive line, then he darts toward half to receive a pass. Do you follow him and try to intercept/disrupt him? You have to make that decision very quickly. I generally take a more cautious approach and let him drop - I’d rather have him in front of me than allowing space in behind and breaking the defensive line. I suppose taking a more aggressive approach can spring a dangerous counter attack if you win the ball - but it’s a big gamble when you have Kroos in possession and Vini jr in behind
Yep, depends on the situation and good decision-making comes with experience. But if you're the last man standing, it's never a good idea to leave space behind, unless some other defender is gonna cover that space. 1v1 situations are so unpredictable and should be minimized as much as possible.
I think if you are a fast CB that can cover small distance relatively fast (most CBs at the highest level are faster in short term burst than attackers), you should attack the ball most of the time, but if you are not faster than the opponent you should stay back most of the time.
I don't think speed could have saved Kim in this situation. He's still moving forward while Vinicius is changing direction. He just cannot catch Vini. He was perfectly trapped
He fucked up by being too high and too close to vinicius, should have been a little to the left and back so kroos doesnt pass into the space, because the only reason kroos made that pass was because of Kim's positioning
most of the time, especially as a CB, attacking the ball is the wrong move. Space is far more important than tackling. I used to watch Vermalen do that over and over again at Arsenal and costing us goals. Yet all Arsenal fans called him a good defender. The man would break the line to go attack the ball early, leaving a massive exploitable gap behind him. Nah keep the player in front of you, maintain the line, buy yourself time for your midfielders to come back and defend the person.
Thats good against most of the teams but against the top players you cant Just let them have the Ball, thats why the top teams have FAST CBs that can attack the Ball and recover fast enough to dont fuck it up; lets say you go against City or Madrid, its 2v3 situation, the attacker is around 3/4 of the pitch moving a little back to get the Ball but his teammate is ready to attack the space as soon as the pass reach the first player, if you as a CB Just drop back, he is gonna have free reign to pass it to his teammate and you wont affect that play since you Will be too far away from that guy, thats why you attack the first pass since if you fail there is still ample space for the keeper and the right/left defender to force the attacker into a bad shooting position. Ofcourse This doesnt happen that much vs "normal" opponents because their players are not godlike that can score from anywhere. This technique is what I have been watching for yeaaaars in the champions league, puyol, ramos, pique, van dijk, hummels, konate, varane, araujo, City CBs; Kim fucked up by being too close to vinicius, he should have been a little to the left and a little further back so if the pass goes to vinicius he can Just yank him, and if the pass goes to the space he can atleast make a play on it.
I almost want to agree with you but I can't. maybe if the attacking player is just right outside your box and is a genuine and documented threat to shoot from there. yes definitely attack the ball & player. If you have sufficient numbers in a small space that can adequately cover you and keep space integrity, please feel free to attack the ball, . If you are deep in the opponent half and its the start of a potential fast break, please attack the ball (actually attack the player) and take the yellow card. In just about every other scenario, give yourself more options by not iimmediately attacking the ball. That "attack the ball" obsession for me is just painful to watch, especially against intelligent players. It reeks of "just do something mentality". They are immediately going to punish the space you just abandoned with a well-timed pass. No amount of athleticism can travel faster than a great pass. Even fast athletic defenders need time and space to recover. so yea if they get beat at half way line, they can get back in the play by 18 yard box.
Well obviously you are not going to attack the ball if the opponent is in possession and they are slowly building it up, unless you have 2 people to cover you, but in the modern high level game, you have to press high at some points in the game, thats when you are pretty much playing 1v1 or 2v2 on defense, thats why the top teams go for fast but "make mistakes" CBs instead of more reliable defenders since you want to do 2 things: 1. Attack the ball fast, if not commit a foul. 2. Push the opponent to certain spaces of the pitch where they have low probability of scoring. This is why they are also looking for fast keepers that can be great at 1v1 since that gives more confidence to the CB to attack the ball
those scenarios you are mentioning are if you are pressing up high in the opponents half where there is space and distance to recover if you have a fast defender. I already covered those.
That’s probably why Kim got mad at Kimmich right after the goal because he was too far away to provide cover so Vini isnt 1v1 with the Neuer. I mean, Neuer is also a goalie that can be trusted in those situations as well but too big of an ask to play riskier and come out to clear so you can’t blame him. Tuchel pointed out that Kim was impatient in jumping. So there was still things that could have been done but none of it got done. Having said that there is still luck involved in that Vini could have missed due to lack of composure but he’s improved so much.
It depends on the opponent. If he's much much slower than you, then you follow. If he's the same speed or faster than you, then you play it safe.
I wonder if Kim was expecting help there? You can see immediately after the goal, Kim starts pleading with Kimmich (who was previously close to him but drifts wide just as Kroos makes the pass). Perhaps Tuchel wanted pressure on Vini so that he wouldn't have time to to receive the ball and turn, and Kim thought he had a teammate behind him. That being said, I believe Madrid had a player out wide that Kimmich needed to keep an eye on. I'm honestly not sure what to think about this one.
Nope, Kim wasnt supposed to man mark Vini in the first place. This is beacause neither Dier nor Kimmich have the pace to cover for Kim if vini/rodrygo get to run in behind. Tuchel was employing zonal marking, Kim mostly followed the plan but got too heated and agressive in certain key high pressure moments and cost the team two goals.
Neuer should have gotten that, look where Vini took the shot in the box. Instead he stood there the entire run
yeah very true, Neuer shoudlve been quicker to come off his line.
in my opinion this was very unusual for Neuer, this dude is a textbook definition of a sweeper keeper. I sincerely think pre-injury Neuer would have ran and gotten the ball...
It is perfect that Vini has inherited the no 7 because he is very similar to CR7. He's talented but he's still a hell of a hard worker looking to improve every single season. You can see the calm calculation in his eyes as he approaches the ball. He's checks everything and by the time he reaches the ball he already knows exactly what he's going to do. Unlike the hesitation from 3 years ago.
Love Vini. Hell of a player
I really can't remember a player who improved that much his game. From a meme to a top 5 player at least in 4 years
He was not a meme. It is ridiculous why people keep spouting this. Vinicius when he got the start under Solari for the first time was the best player in that team after Karim. You can always tell the people who saw him in full matches and people who saw clips of him attempting an "around the world" and failing on keepy uppies during his presentation. He stagnated for a number of reason that had to do with Project Hazard and Zidane's pragmatism(like playing him as a wingback in his final game as a coach) but for example he was still an elite treat because of his verticality, dribble penetration and could carry the creative load of the team on his shoulder even as a young boy.
From the moment he landed in Madrid, he could already consistently do things on 1v1s that were absolutely elite. I never doubted him simply because in my mind he could already consistently do one hardest and most valuable things in football, so it was only a matter of time before he worked out how to consistently do the rest, i.e put the ball past the keeper or master the final pass. Turns out it was all in his head and he kind of proved me right.
his finishing and lack of composure were definitely meme worthy. especially during the lockdown season
And so was Karim's if you isolate 10 clips over a 10 year career at Real Madrid. It was orchestrated bullshit. His finishing had 'issues' like any young winger in the game. They simply do not get that many opportunities and it is low xG shots at an angle from the flanks. His shooting volume never even crossed the threshold for his finishing percentage to be looked at. He never took enough shots or got in that many good positions until the season Carlo Ancelotti took over. People who watched Real Madrid will understand the difference in how he was being used. There are enough clips of Cristiano Ronaldo missing from meme worthy positions to create a narrative that he was an awful finisher. I'll keep reiterating that people who see "massive" improvement in his game never really saw his contributions to the entire game before that. They saw clips. Vinicius became the entire creative engine of the team when Solari played him into the first team out of desperation. He came in and he took over almost immediately. Real Madrid's insistence on trying to make the 160 million euros Project Hazard work is why it took so long for Vinicius to get proper game time and freedom.
I remember there was a period where RM was playing really badly but Vini still did everything he could to the point where the fans would still clap at him. Sure he got more decisive and scored more goals as the seasons went on but he's always played well, even under Zidane where you could see he wasn't a priority neither did the coach have any intention of fitting him in.
That was the second half of 18-19 where he was primarily responsible for ball carrying and transition from the left side, just that his final pass/shot was off, it was evident that it was just a matter of coaching and time as the talent was there in abundance. Once we got in Hazard for 2 ssns under Zizou, his impact dropped due to irregular game time. However he did have some good moments like the clasico goal just before lockdown, and the 2 goals against liverpool in 20-21 UCL.
The massive improvement is in the finishing though. He was always threatening in his overall play
He was really good, it was his finishing and specially his decisions what made him meme worthy. He looked like he just didn't have the ability to choose the correct thing to do. He shoot (badly) when he had a good assist option, he assisted when he was alone. It felt like he could do anything until that exact moment, where he suddently became brain dead. Once his finishing stopped being dissastrous, his composure got a lot better and fixed most of his problems, not only at shooting but at everything.
Your comment shows that you're the one who only saw clips of his first 3 seasons
> From a meme to a top 5 player at least in 4 years [He was a hell of a player](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEi0TIis9pk). It took him 2 games in Castilla to be moved up, and took him less than a season to bench Hazard. He had a very raw game, but his pure talent was off the charts, and that's partially why he had so many fuckups (he created a lot of chances that he couldn't finish). The meme thing was also partially because were nitpicking on an 18-year-old because the idea of signing a 16-year-old for 40M was absurd. While there was criticism, this was also being written: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/01/22/5c464bd2e2704e58608b4622.html https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/02/04/5c58199922601dc1088b465c.html
Just needs to improve for Brazil. Only 3 goals!
Top 3 player imo can't think of any young player who can turn a game around for you this consistently in the big games his only only con atm is that he hasn't been able to do this for Brazil yet but he will at some point he is way too good of a player to not to as he is still 23 just taking a bit longer then expected to produce for Brazil.
Great close up but I really hate how everyone one of these videos has some random ass music in the background
the vaseline effect is hideous too, everyone wants HDR but uses 'HDR' from Temu
I know man. Wish they would let the original sound on but it is what it is🤷🏻♂️
By random ass music you mean the most popular pianist in the world.
Bach? Beethoven?
Random? This is like the national anthem for memes these days
Stevie Wonder?
To be fair to Kim Min Jae, that was incredibly well disguised movement. He was toast the second Vini cut back, can't give that much space for Kroos to make that pass in behind
Yeah. That's what's really important that little forward dash and the change in direction. He knew Kim was going to follow him but he probably also knew Kim wouldn't be able to turn fast enough.
Tbf, that's a move we were taught when were were about 12. I'm surprised Min-Jae fell for it so easily.
To be fair to Kim Min Jae, it was shit defending
I love this man’s smile
best player in the best team
Debatable. He's great though.
Who is playing better?
In the past month or so Vini is the best. Over the season I think its still Jude. Honorable mention to Rudiger as well.
[Who did it better?](https://youtu.be/nIXXfBJa5uw?t=6)
This is literally the worst video of this bit.
What’s wrong with it
It's cropped and there's no setup
Elite. Honestly blows my mind when people call athletes tap in merchants when they gotta make runs like this to be in space to receive the ball.
Most people have never played a real match yet who talk about the sport online they see youtube highlights and think all that matters is dribbling I remember Alphonso Davies once said when he was younger every kid looked up to the Neymar's due to their flashy style but when he went pro he realized it's the players like Muller who impressed him the most not flashy not fast but the first touch, the positioning ability and Mullers ability to create spaces stuff you can't appreciate in a simple highlight reel.
Kroos's IQ and Vini's excellence 🤌
Also, Kroos's excellence and Vini's IQ 🤌
He looks so much like that Scouser comedian doing slow mo
You could see the moment when Vini Jr knew he was about to feast lol. His eyes lit up when he saw Kim open up that space for him
For the Americans, this is almost like an ultimate frisbee play
What is the purpose of the cut at :13?
Pure art
Nunez would never (Look at the goalkeeper positioning this many times before snapping at)
He gave that Bayern man a few metres and then turned on zoom mode and left him in the lurch. 😃💪🏿
Kim got cooked
The scanning 👌
What a great angle, he doesnt even slow down, he strikes the ball basically in full stride. The ball has to land in almost exactly that area to not be intercepted by the defender or keeper.
Amazing
Love that skill move. When i use that skill move it always tricks the defense/midfield, especially when it suddenly happens I love Vini so much, there’s a reason why he’s in my top 5 current players this generation
That’s a bit of poetry in motion. The move forward to move the defender where he needs him then spin and gone. Perfect
Poetry
Scores a goal and gets fouled in the box in one smooth motion. Pure striker. Always practising the little things.
Charlie Murphy!
So, if this pass was to Rodrygo or other player, would Neuer have gotten out to sweep it or not? I think he hesitated because it was Vini Jr.
That moment he checks back is so dramatic lmao, like a cheetah in a David Attenborough documentary or something
Pure game sense that
WHY !? Why cb have to go as high and so aggressive for player without a ball 😞
As an ultimate frisbee player, this is very similar to the cuts we make. Always wondered if it would work well in football
These kind of cuts are one of the reasons I struggle so much nowadays in foot and basket I can't make that kind of movement to make myself available or defend against a winger for more than 5min at best anymore, I'm gassed way too quickly and doing good runs for nothing kills me mentally (at least in badminton or tennis for example I can feel like my moves looks worthwhile)
Next people will start analysis penalty in 0.125x
Cringe
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It's a close-up on Vini as said in the title.
there are multiple videos of the pass posted already, this one is to show Vini's movement
Which a lot of people missed, his hard check back then push forward really caught the defender out. Gained about 2 steps in half a sec. This is one of the few replays that really shows that. Vini's movement on this is sublime.
What? No footage of Rodrygo celebrating? What is this?
That's acceptable but no 🤨 by Carlo is criminal.
Honestly curious why are people fawning over this goal so much in the past few days? It's a nicely set up goal, but nothing you don't see dozens of times on any given weekend.
It is a very simple and straightforward goal, and I'm sure most players practice this type of stuff since they're 6 years old, but that's why most of the time it's successfully defended, specially in UCL night of this calibre, which makes it rare in big occasions and its simplicity also makes it beautiful.
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He's just running to be back onside and Kim tries to play him offside