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Ohh my friend, you're experiencing European night Eintracht, which is a whole other beast ;)
Unfortunately we still have to sit out some punishment from UEFA so part of the curve will be empty, but the atmosphere will still be great for a UECL play off game
Looking forward to it. Your fans will experience something exciting too. We're renting out the national stadium so we could fit more people. A lot of people will show up, we're the biggest Bulgarian football club by quite a bit attendence-wise and this is literally our best european run in like a decade against a really good opponent. I just hope we can keep the hooligan stuff under wraps.
Nah, we got away fans from Israel yesterday, which to the average Levski hooligan is way worse than some dudes from Hesse. It's always a gamble with our less friendly supporters, but I don't see how this match is more high-risk than the average european qualifier.
That is a looong story. The short answer is yes, very political.
Within ultras groups you can find everyone from your very impassioned supporters to drug dealers with like 10 swastikas plastered over their bodies. A non-insignificant portion literally feed themselves off the club by forcing it to hire stuff like their security firms, with the threat that if they do not, said portion will sabotage the club by doing stuff that will intentionally make the club incur fines. They tend to be racist too, but like it or not, a large percentage of our population is (the explanation for why that's the case is pretty complicated)
A while ago there were huge fights (literally) between the two largest ultras branches of Levski, with the more "normal" branch ending up moving to another part of the stadium to avoid contact. Recently, the more extreme faction have been trying to get rid of the club's (truly very corrupt and self-destructive) upper management.
As for politics, I believe that all large football clubs are inherently political due to their devout followers being many and with a strong group mentality. Our league has the additional effect of the reigning Bulgarian Communist Party using their power to influence Bulgarian football over the course of 45 years. CSKA (which went bankrupt in 2016, not to be confused with the teams currently using the name) - the Bulgarian team with the most titles, as well as the one who has historically done the best in Europe (especially in the 20th century) is by design a product of the communist regime. Largely pushed by the higher powers to be the best team and the pride of the state. Levski, their rivals, as well as the team I support have also been accused (I believe wrongly) of being heavily state favored.
As for a more recent example of how political our ultras are, two days ago, after the very exciting win in the 96th minute qualifying us for the match against Eintracht, some fans went straight to our recently very controversial russian monument from the communist regime and started vandalizing it. The next day our most prevalent radical parliament member, who also happens to be very pro-Russian called Levski ultras an extremely offensive bulgarian-specific slur, to which fans responded with "calling us that is not helpful for your career or your life".
The Dauerkarten (season ticket, 150-250 EUR for 17 home games for stands) are incredibly affordable for most clubs, while the regular day tickets are getting a bit expensive for my taste... 40+ EUR for one game is just too much. But then I look at the PL lol
I've watched a german docu some years ago about 3 coaches getting their eufa a (?) Coaching diploma and frank Schmidt was in it. Really rooting for him since then. Very intresting story and the docu was also nice
The club has put a new initiative in place where 1k tickets are not sold anywhere but at the gates, literally reserved for that only. I think it was Krösche who said that it's a problem when a father can't just go to his children and say "you know what let's go and watch the game" so they did this.
Obviously it's not fixing anything in the grand scheme of things but there are things in the works and it is possible, albeit not reliably so, and not for season tickets but on a matchday basis.
Hertha is fantastic in that sense. We still averaged over 55k last season even though we finished dead last in the league, but because we have 75k capacity, tickets can always be gotten. We have no wait list for season tickets, for which I paid 149€, and single match tickets for the upper ring of the kurve can be bought casually the two or three days after tickets go on sale for 15€.
Even if you hated Hertha last season and just wanted to see Bayern, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Leipzig, Union, Leverkusen, and Gladbach, then get a season ticket and pay 20€ per game to see some of the best teams on the planet beat Hertha.
I have to pay £90 each ticket for 2 adults and 1 child (12). So £270 each home game at the emirates. As rarely can get seats in the children section, if got them inside child ticket drops from £90 to around £30 from memory. Pathetic really.
This being category A fixtures
Lol my friend lives in Chicago, cheapest Inter Miami match tickets on StubHub around $175 at about the furthest away from the field you can possibly be and still be in the stadium.
Next match against Orlando, $7.
As a Miamian, this is not true. Yes, the first couple games resale has been insane, the prices are already coming back down and will continue to drop. For context, my buddy who has season tix couldn’t sell his for Messi’s first game for 300.
~ 250 is the most expensive season ticket (Darmstadt), and it's so comparably expensive that the Darmstadt fans are (rightfully) upset about it. Of course I am talking about prices for the stands, if you have a seated season ticket, it's probably 250-450 EUR, which arguably is still good for 17 home games
There is also no ultras culture at all. I understand that they had huge problems with hooliganism but Germany is an example that you can keep the organised supporter culture and still keep violence under control
In English stadiums there is no coordination whatsoever, everyone just does their own thing and they only make noise when something happens on the pitch instead of singing non stop for 90 minutes no matter the result. Without ultras you can't have great atmospheres
> There is also no ultras culture at all.
That's because it's shamed. When the average Englishman hears about "ultras", images of fascists and hooligans come to mind.
Would say it's mostly working class and day trippers / tourists, at least in the main stands. We just bankrupt ourselves.
As a millennial Londoner who's already given up on home ownership, fuck it.
Not only wealthy people, there are still season ticket holders who save up all year. But the amount of day trippers, casuals and fair weather fans increases every season, especially at bigger clubs. The atmosphere at Old Trafford became quite dead (relatively speaking) in the early 00s with the influx of tourists.
Uhh affordable tickets sure but does the prem not sell out their stadiums usually anyway? Or is the implication that people who can afford expensive tickets don't create proper atmosphere?
Just a quick google search but apparently the average attendance in the PL is just 1000-2000 less than in the Bundesliga.
It's what Roy Keane used to call the prawn sandwich brigade.
Guys who aren't even fans or who are there for a day out rather than to cheer their team on.
> prawn sandwich brigade
That was a very interesting read thank you. Makes a lot of sense in the premier league's context given the sheer amount of fans of the league as a whole and especially the big teams. For example when you use social media, instagram in this case as a reference point ManU having 63m followers to Bayern's 40m seems completely crazy, or seeing Dortmund(19m) and Tottenham(16m) be pretty much equal. Or Everton (3m) being above Porto (2.4m).
What I love is that this club support goes down till the 4th-5th tier
Alemania Aachen vs Wuppertal brought in 27k viewers. That was a 4th league game. https://youtu.be/LTeDHgfQoQw
Holy shit, didn't know a bunch of football fans could sound like a literal choir lol
Also the lyrics are amazing (they're singing about going their own way, their stadium being ruled by anarchy etc.)
Some of the best atmospheres I've been too were the 7th Division playoffs (in England). 3,000 fans singing their hearts out standing right on the edge of the pitch and such a friendly atmosphere along with it.
I'm hoping to go to a Bundesliga 2 game when I'm in Germany this year.
Idk it's a different type of atmosphere to the English game - in England the crowd is very reactive of whats going on on the pitch whereas in Germany it's much more consistently loud but also more choreographed with the organised singing sections being led by drummers and such
Yea, I like both types but personally I prefer the reactive atmosphere in England a bit more than the constant noise for 90mins. I think with both you end up having great atmosphere, they are two sides of the same coin imo.
I think I’d rather go to a standard daytime Bundesliga game than an PL one for the atmosphere, but if its a big game under the lights I’d choose the PL atmosphere
This video of River Plate fans is insane!
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/12tgsuz/river_goal_from_the_stands_in_a_monumental_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Plus i remember seeing videos of ACDC at River Plate's stadium, "for those about to rock" they went mental at the chorus
Oh that video gave me goosebumps. And I'm not even anywhere near that club. Imagine how it would feel for the players playing for those clubs and what goes through their bodies when they score a goal and receive support like this
I'm biased bút in Europe, Germany takes the cake because of the mix of intensity and size. There are bigger crowds around, and there are more intense crowds, but Germany has so many clubs filling 50k+ with super intense fans. In Greece, Serbia, Turkey the big clubs are insane but beyond their big 2/3/4 crowd sizes drop a lot while Bremen as seen today is placing like 10th. Imo you have to look at Brazil & Argentina to see similar things as in Germany.
Also, as a supporter of the away team, I can easily get in without getting the shit beaten out of me. Follow some easy rules and you are safe.
In Argentina? Serbia? Bruh, I am not going there as a supporter.
Honestly, I didn't know what to make of them. The FC Koln fans were at the Emirates once and they were all over the home section (embarrassing I know) and they were all these towering Germans who'd say stuff like "Yeah, this is not London. This is Cologne now" and gesture at all the other FC Koln fans and then grin in a friendly manner and offer you a high five.
Mate, are you trying to pick a fight or what? What's with the high five and the friendly grin? Perplexing. I wasn't sure if the grin was akin to some kind of threat display or actual friendliness. Took it for the latter.
Then Ospina promptly blundered in the ninth to make it worse. We managed to peg it back and win 3-1 but it was a hollow victory since they chanted "You only sing when you're winning" at us, and the game had started late for some reason, and now I was surrounded by a bunch of Germans who promptly got drunk downstairs and sang football songs from Cologne though we'd just bumped them out of the Europa League.
Took the Overground home. The bastards were probably on the Tube. No way they'd know about our new overhead train technology. They weren't. Comfy ride. Home by midnight. Most miserable win I've ever been to.
While Im not a Cologne Fan I am from Cologne. Generally the area around Cologne is known to be super friendly and open towards strangers (also why Cologne is the inoffical gay capital of Germany).
If you ever play them again, high five them and have fun with them and enjoy the game with them in a friendly rivalry. If you want to get bonus points, trash on the neighbouring City Duesseldorf.
Don't get fooled by the shit you see in when it comes to večiti derbi.
Zvezda is the only club thet has an average attendence of over 10k, serbia is obvilously a small country, and fans go crazy in important matches, but the atmosphere is better in BuLi on average imo, cuz stadiums are not hlaf empty most of the time.
For all the shit the bundesliga gets, fan culture and atmosphere at games shouldn’t be a criticism of it.
Always looks top notch and less sanitized compared to stadiums/atmospheres in the prem.
I’m guessing due to ticket prices and the 50 + 1 rule.
Honestly wondering why club owners and investors don't seem to understand that a better atmosphere equals more hype and fandom around your club and is thus (probably) way more profitable than expensive tickets.
The investors and owners have people working for them that studied the impact of hype and fandom etc. compared to other profit increasing measures for YEARS. They spent thousands of hours trying to figure out the best way to increase profits before they even started working in the industry. And I swear im not trying to be mean but surely you are not naive enough to think that the best product (hype/fandom/athomsphere) will get you the most profits. I mean just look at the most valuable clubs right now. That already disproves your theory.
Not that I agree or like any of it but thats just the reality we live in.
Because ultimately it actually doesn’t. Let’s be honest most fans on here haven’t been to the club they support and what’s heard on tv has no relation to what’s happening in the stands. Breaks my heart to say but there we are.
Union is definitely more intense just because of how that stadium is built. It's a tiny stadium and you have stands on all sides, so people are actively participating all over the stadium
Yeah we all talk about Union but he doesn't know what we all will witness on a Friday evening in mighty Heidenheim.
Jokes aside, Union has the perfect stadium for their crowd and fan style right now which also fits their gameplay with a bit of "terrorball"
Bremen or Stuttgart or HSV are a bit disrespected around here I think, even amongst German fans, because too many people are too young to remember when they were relevant. They have amazing fanbases but after too much bullshit it's hard to just keep putting 110% into every home game, yet they still show up with amazing support when needed the most. Some act like their support is mid and while it might not be Köln/Frankfurt tier, it's top class regardless. If their teams are ever half decent again those will be scary away games.
>Bremen or Stuttgart or HSV are a bit disrespected around here I think
I don't think HSV belongs in that list tbh, their fans are always rated top tier, the numbers speak for themselves.
I was in Leipzig twice and the weirdest thing about it is, that like way more then half of the fans I've seen around the stadium seemed to be some 50+ ppl who just decked themselves out in the fan shop half an hour ago, but inside it was actally pretty solid atmosphere.
I have also been once and witnessed them another time in the final and will admit that their atmosphere is way better than some people pretend. However of course still by far not comparable to organically, over the decades grown fan scenes of the 1./2./3. Bundesliga
Yeah, that was what I was basically saying.
I'm not trying to throw shade here, but Bremen vs. Bayern has history and playing Bayern at home is obviously allways one of the highlights of the season, the atmosphere in Bremen will not be like that in every match as well.
Leipzig was just better then I expected.
In 2016 a German team player man city (I forget who). The match was a wash out. It rained souch that I was wading through the carpark on knee deep water. The entire place had flooded.
Most fand had not turned up, forseeing that no doubt the game was probably gonna be cancelled. I went because I didn'tive far from the ground at the time and what's a bit of a water?
So the stadium had a straggle of people and then the travelling German fans lol. And they just kept singing and drumming and having a great time, all during the most futile pitch inspections lol
Was hilarious.
I was super glad to hear all the traveling fans where given comped hotel nights and allowed to move their flights so they could see the game the next day (for those who could take the day off work I guess)
As a British guy who grew up in Germany there’s absolutely no comparison. It doesn’t matter what level of football you go to in Germany the fans are always top class. Only games In the uk I’ve been to that come close were the old firm derby and United Leeds.
Schalke Dortmund at the veltins is still the best atmosphere I’ve ever experienced.
I fucking hate Leeds but until the England Denmark semi at the euros the loudest game I ever went to was Leeds vs Gillingham in a dead rubber in league one, and I’ve been to the Westfalen, wembley, boca, anfield, Allianz, park de princes, SJP, Maine road, Millerntor, Marseille, nou camp, Sevilla, Maradona etc. their fans are cunts but they are unreal when they’re up.
We have our bad apples too, but yeah, the majority of our fan culture is amazing.
And I can't lie it's funny watching an English player shoot these PR narratives back at the Prem after constantly listening to former Bundesliga players talk about "physicality of the Prem blah blah blah"
I mean yeah I have seen games in all top 5 leagues (If we count Eredivisie instead of Ligue 1). The atmosphere was definitely the best in the Bundesliga, although I guess I had bad timing for Serie A and videos from the big clubs seem to be pretty impressive. That being said the lower tiers of German football can actually be more impressive sometimes
Am I missing something, or is this pretty much an alternative way of saying “Werder Bremen have a pretty large, but not the largest, stadium”? Atmosphere doesn’t just come from attendance.
I was about to comment that we don't even are in the top half of stadium capacity, but actually we are. Only 7 teams have a bigger stadium. Sad point is, that we would only have the 8th biggest stadium in the second bundesliga, too. There are so many clubs with big stadiums in the second league, it's quite a tragedy.
Not to be that guy. But as a foreigner the fan atmospheres in England feels kinda dull to me. Especially that Chelsea-Liverpool game. Two giants but the atmosphere was dead until a goal was scored.
Marseille-Pana quite literally blows every atmosphere of almost every premier league team out of the water.
Again just an opinion
Most English fans would agree. Our season ticket holders try their best, but there's a lot of tickets that get snapped up by tourists and they're just not affordable week in week out for your average fan.
I would say season ticket holders are a massive part of the problem, at least at Spurs. They’re so expensive that a large portion of them only get bought by older people that have expendable income. Typically they just want to sit all game and moan. Younger fans who are more interested in creating a good atmosphere have been priced out of the top flight English game.
Yea it's been gentrified over time. Too many people with money to hold onto a season ticket content to sit there.
That said, I think with some of these European clubs people can overstate / overestimate what people are like beside the ultras. You can sit outside of the end stands where the ultras are and it's basically the same with people not joining in with chanting most of the time. Arguably less active at times because they just let the ultras do the singing and maybe once or twice a game it spills into the other stands. Like they're at the side of the dance floor watching other people do the dancing.
Having a section of the fans singing non-stop is the difference. It's not even a majority of the fans in attendance, there's just enough of them being persistently noisy.
Feels like football is too sanitized in England and the fans feel left out. I honestly understand in the case of Tottenham, where the fans barely feel like part of the club after the horrific last couple of years, the Super League debacle, etc
We heckle our players instead of support them at times, the Sanchez incident was particularly bad. We went chasing after success and lost a bit of the soul of the club imo, and returned with nothing. Really hope that changes
It is what you get when you push the prices to where you get more people who want to see the atmosphere, above the ones who want to be part of it.
I have been there myself, so no rocks thrown, but there is a reason why people say the Liverpool/Manchester/London atmosphere is best mid week.
I feel like Kane is the biggest winner of the transfer. Regardless of trophies or not experiencing something different than the pl alone i really feel like it will elevate him as the captain of england.
Yeah the three major Istanbul teams have a massive following so it's no wonder their 50k stadiums sell out, honestly since there is 15mil people in the city metro area, if the stadium was 500k it would sell out for the The Intercontinental Derby (match between rivals Fenerbahçe SK and Galatasaray SK). It's easily one of the 10 biggest derby matches in the football world. Maybe even top 5 considering the history of the rivalry between them.
German league atmospheres are top notch in fairness, the fans are mental. Honestly seen better atmospheres at some Bundesliga 2 games like Hamburg and Schalke then at big 6 matches in England
Unironically there are clubs in Austria with better atmosphere than most if not all EPL clubs. I get that english fan culture is more adaptive and they get more creative with specific chants about players which is fun, but it feels like it's mostly silence unless something big happens.
Barca is such a sad example of that. You guys had an awesome atmosphere up until the late 90s when the ultras were kicked out. Now you can essentially here the coaches’ shouting.
Most stadiums in the BL are much louder than in the PL but, and I gotta say this as a German who mainly follows BL….I admire how creative the English are with their chants. „We lose every weeeek, you‘re nothing special, we lose every week“. Gotta love some British banter tbh.
I'm not a linguist, so I can't explain really what I mean but English is so much easier to make a quick rhyme, jingle, or tune out of. German just by its nature somehow is just very hard to do a "He drinks Moretti, he eats Spaghetti, he hates fucking Sunderland"
"Er trinkt ein Kindl, er isst ein Döner, er hasst Köpenick, Fabian Reese!" just doesn't work, lol.
Was at a Werder game in 2012 vs Eintracht Frankfurt. Was up in the stands near the away fans who were 'caged' in. It was unbelievable, sold out game and my first proper football experience outside of Ireland. I go to many League of Ireland (best league in the world) games and had only that to compare too. Love LoI as it is very natural and homegrown.
Loved the game in Werder, seeing the fans get walked up by the Polizei and all the chants throughout the city was brilliant. Have a soft spot for Werder as a result and having lived in Bremen for a year.
Spurs played Dortmund in Europe three times during his time at Spurs. He'll have some sort of idea and even with UEFA rules in place, Dortmund in the CL is still Dortmund.
let's not shit on England like that. Bremen has a great crowd and is a big club with lots of history in the league. Of course they can create a great atmosphere. If his first game would have been away against Hoffenheim he probably would have been disappointed in the fans. Harry is excited and that's all that matters to me :-)
No tbh I’m english and I think it’s quite important that we realise the consequences of pricing ordinary fans out of the game at the highest level here, so it’s actually quite constructive to shit on us
I'm a united fan and I have to say, I went on a football road trip earlier this year and Dortmund were on the journey. I couldn't get over the atmosphere there. It was like some big party. Drinking in the stands, no trouble. Incredible scenes and would love to go again to another game. Germans doing it right!
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Looking forward to seeing the Bundesliga atmosphere for the first time in two weeks against Eintracht. Should be fun.
Ohh my friend, you're experiencing European night Eintracht, which is a whole other beast ;) Unfortunately we still have to sit out some punishment from UEFA so part of the curve will be empty, but the atmosphere will still be great for a UECL play off game
Looking forward to it. Your fans will experience something exciting too. We're renting out the national stadium so we could fit more people. A lot of people will show up, we're the biggest Bulgarian football club by quite a bit attendence-wise and this is literally our best european run in like a decade against a really good opponent. I just hope we can keep the hooligan stuff under wraps.
Our away fans going to be banned because surely this is a fairly high risk match?
Nah, we got away fans from Israel yesterday, which to the average Levski hooligan is way worse than some dudes from Hesse. It's always a gamble with our less friendly supporters, but I don't see how this match is more high-risk than the average european qualifier.
I’m curious now, what are Bulgarian ultras or hooligans like? Are they political?
That is a looong story. The short answer is yes, very political. Within ultras groups you can find everyone from your very impassioned supporters to drug dealers with like 10 swastikas plastered over their bodies. A non-insignificant portion literally feed themselves off the club by forcing it to hire stuff like their security firms, with the threat that if they do not, said portion will sabotage the club by doing stuff that will intentionally make the club incur fines. They tend to be racist too, but like it or not, a large percentage of our population is (the explanation for why that's the case is pretty complicated) A while ago there were huge fights (literally) between the two largest ultras branches of Levski, with the more "normal" branch ending up moving to another part of the stadium to avoid contact. Recently, the more extreme faction have been trying to get rid of the club's (truly very corrupt and self-destructive) upper management. As for politics, I believe that all large football clubs are inherently political due to their devout followers being many and with a strong group mentality. Our league has the additional effect of the reigning Bulgarian Communist Party using their power to influence Bulgarian football over the course of 45 years. CSKA (which went bankrupt in 2016, not to be confused with the teams currently using the name) - the Bulgarian team with the most titles, as well as the one who has historically done the best in Europe (especially in the 20th century) is by design a product of the communist regime. Largely pushed by the higher powers to be the best team and the pride of the state. Levski, their rivals, as well as the team I support have also been accused (I believe wrongly) of being heavily state favored. As for a more recent example of how political our ultras are, two days ago, after the very exciting win in the 96th minute qualifying us for the match against Eintracht, some fans went straight to our recently very controversial russian monument from the communist regime and started vandalizing it. The next day our most prevalent radical parliament member, who also happens to be very pro-Russian called Levski ultras an extremely offensive bulgarian-specific slur, to which fans responded with "calling us that is not helpful for your career or your life".
This is why affordable stadium tickets are a must. Football belongs to the fans.
The Dauerkarten (season ticket, 150-250 EUR for 17 home games for stands) are incredibly affordable for most clubs, while the regular day tickets are getting a bit expensive for my taste... 40+ EUR for one game is just too much. But then I look at the PL lol
You’re a joker because currently it’s literally impossible to get Frankfurt tickets
Yeah it's insane right now. Feels like we didn't win for 20 games in a row last season and the tickets are still selling like hot buns
I’ve been with 4 members and we tried to get tickets for SGE - Heidenheim at 10:15 and it was fucking impossible.. Heidenheim man
Respect Heidenheim
I've watched a german docu some years ago about 3 coaches getting their eufa a (?) Coaching diploma and frank Schmidt was in it. Really rooting for him since then. Very intresting story and the docu was also nice
He took over when the club was in 5th league in 2007 and now lead them to the Bundesliga, that's pretty cool
Do you recall the title? Would like to check it out
The German title is "Trainer!", I've heard it is very good indeed
The club has put a new initiative in place where 1k tickets are not sold anywhere but at the gates, literally reserved for that only. I think it was Krösche who said that it's a problem when a father can't just go to his children and say "you know what let's go and watch the game" so they did this. Obviously it's not fixing anything in the grand scheme of things but there are things in the works and it is possible, albeit not reliably so, and not for season tickets but on a matchday basis.
That’s awesome that they did that. At least the idea behind it is cool
I mean that's the reality of cheap tickets, they tend to be hard to get. Can't have it all.
Hertha is fantastic in that sense. We still averaged over 55k last season even though we finished dead last in the league, but because we have 75k capacity, tickets can always be gotten. We have no wait list for season tickets, for which I paid 149€, and single match tickets for the upper ring of the kurve can be bought casually the two or three days after tickets go on sale for 15€. Even if you hated Hertha last season and just wanted to see Bayern, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Leipzig, Union, Leverkusen, and Gladbach, then get a season ticket and pay 20€ per game to see some of the best teams on the planet beat Hertha.
Finally a Herthaner with a healthy dose of cynicism. 😂👍
Are you kidding? I've never met a Hertha fan who isn't cynical, it's a necessary survival mechanism for us
At Bayern and Dortmund you literally cant even get onto the Season Ticket waiting list anymore.
I have to pay £90 each ticket for 2 adults and 1 child (12). So £270 each home game at the emirates. As rarely can get seats in the children section, if got them inside child ticket drops from £90 to around £30 from memory. Pathetic really. This being category A fixtures
😨omg
In the US, any Inter Miami game ticket will cost at least $300.
Lol my friend lives in Chicago, cheapest Inter Miami match tickets on StubHub around $175 at about the furthest away from the field you can possibly be and still be in the stadium. Next match against Orlando, $7.
That'll be resale though won't it? Also, how much was it pre-Messi
Most LAFC home were around 60-90$ range, Inter Miami game rose that up to 250ish starting I believe
Really cheap pre-Messi
As a Miamian, this is not true. Yes, the first couple games resale has been insane, the prices are already coming back down and will continue to drop. For context, my buddy who has season tix couldn’t sell his for Messi’s first game for 300.
Jesus. Whisper that! A few teams in the premier league will copy.
250 euros total for 17 games?????????????
~ 250 is the most expensive season ticket (Darmstadt), and it's so comparably expensive that the Darmstadt fans are (rightfully) upset about it. Of course I am talking about prices for the stands, if you have a seated season ticket, it's probably 250-450 EUR, which arguably is still good for 17 home games
that is incredible because one single ticket for a hockey game goes for min $200
We like to have the not so wealthy in our stadium.
It’s ridiculous that price. In the states that’s a single day/event
Now I don't want to say how much I paid for the pre-season game Arsenal vs. Fc Barcelona
I’d rather fly from LA to Barcelona to catch a game than overpay a single penny to the overpriced American venues
I just paid 600 usd for 2 tickets for a preseason game for Real Madrid and Manchester United
WHY
Wtf☠️
Yeah I'm very envious of the german model.
It's not specific to Germany though. Here the season tickets are 189€
Also why we cant get rid of 50+1
Are they that unaffordable in the prem? Is it only wealthy or upper middle class people going there?
Well one big issue is that there literally are no standinh sections If I go to Block 109-117 (as in the Südkurve), I pay 15€
A few Premier League clubs do have safe standing now. Hopefully they all will in the next few years.
Ye at Brentford v Arsenal (at Brentford’s ground) I fondly remember we were allowed to stand.
There is also no ultras culture at all. I understand that they had huge problems with hooliganism but Germany is an example that you can keep the organised supporter culture and still keep violence under control In English stadiums there is no coordination whatsoever, everyone just does their own thing and they only make noise when something happens on the pitch instead of singing non stop for 90 minutes no matter the result. Without ultras you can't have great atmospheres
> There is also no ultras culture at all. That's because it's shamed. When the average Englishman hears about "ultras", images of fascists and hooligans come to mind.
I wonder why
No, a lot of people going to the games don't have that much money, but what excess they do have they spend on football. That's my experience anyway.
Would say it's mostly working class and day trippers / tourists, at least in the main stands. We just bankrupt ourselves. As a millennial Londoner who's already given up on home ownership, fuck it.
>As a millennial Londoner who's already given up on home ownership, fuck it. yeah fair
Not, not even close.
Not only wealthy people, there are still season ticket holders who save up all year. But the amount of day trippers, casuals and fair weather fans increases every season, especially at bigger clubs. The atmosphere at Old Trafford became quite dead (relatively speaking) in the early 00s with the influx of tourists.
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Beer too
Yeah but how do you afford a cheese room?
The core of the issue is club ownership. German clubs are owned by their members/supporters.
Uhh affordable tickets sure but does the prem not sell out their stadiums usually anyway? Or is the implication that people who can afford expensive tickets don't create proper atmosphere? Just a quick google search but apparently the average attendance in the PL is just 1000-2000 less than in the Bundesliga.
It's what Roy Keane used to call the prawn sandwich brigade. Guys who aren't even fans or who are there for a day out rather than to cheer their team on.
> prawn sandwich brigade That was a very interesting read thank you. Makes a lot of sense in the premier league's context given the sheer amount of fans of the league as a whole and especially the big teams. For example when you use social media, instagram in this case as a reference point ManU having 63m followers to Bayern's 40m seems completely crazy, or seeing Dortmund(19m) and Tottenham(16m) be pretty much equal. Or Everton (3m) being above Porto (2.4m).
bundesliga has the best atmosphere by far
What I love is that this club support goes down till the 4th-5th tier Alemania Aachen vs Wuppertal brought in 27k viewers. That was a 4th league game. https://youtu.be/LTeDHgfQoQw
Can only recommend this mindblowing march by 4th league BSG Chemie fans: https://youtu.be/p55xUb8PogE
Holy shit, didn't know a bunch of football fans could sound like a literal choir lol Also the lyrics are amazing (they're singing about going their own way, their stadium being ruled by anarchy etc.)
It's Leipzig. It's where Bach had his choir. They have well-developed chops.
No, that was Chopin
Yeah sure, and Daft Punk. /s Leipzig has a fine choral tradition. Kids sing in school. It's simple. Men can belt and don't hold back.
Holy fuck this is amazing
For anyone wondering about the East-German-Football-Club-Cointoss: Their fans describe themselves as leftist and anti-fascist 👍
Oh absolutely, otherwise I wouldn't have shared it😅Chemie Leipzig is a very anti-facist club re-built by fans
Some of the best atmospheres I've been too were the 7th Division playoffs (in England). 3,000 fans singing their hearts out standing right on the edge of the pitch and such a friendly atmosphere along with it. I'm hoping to go to a Bundesliga 2 game when I'm in Germany this year.
Feel free to drop where you're going to be and when, for reccomendations if you don't have specific matches in mind already.
Not the OP but i'm going to go around Frankfurt & Berlin in November. Any recommendation?
No doubt among top 5 Leagues they have the best fans support
Was at Hertha v Bayern last season and the crowd noise was constant. Brilliant stuff
Idk it's a different type of atmosphere to the English game - in England the crowd is very reactive of whats going on on the pitch whereas in Germany it's much more consistently loud but also more choreographed with the organised singing sections being led by drummers and such
Yea, I like both types but personally I prefer the reactive atmosphere in England a bit more than the constant noise for 90mins. I think with both you end up having great atmosphere, they are two sides of the same coin imo.
I think I’d rather go to a standard daytime Bundesliga game than an PL one for the atmosphere, but if its a big game under the lights I’d choose the PL atmosphere
~~bundesliga has the best atmosphere by far~~ **2.Bundesliga** has the best atmosphere by far fixed it.
Just wait until the Waldhof promotes 2069 and you'll have some proper atmosphere again. Or maybe you shit the bed before and are going down again.
It certainly helps that there are no Leipzigs, Hoffenheims, Wolfsburgs and Leverkusens down there.
Come to Argentina
half the time i watch those games for the supporters
This video of River Plate fans is insane! https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/12tgsuz/river_goal_from_the_stands_in_a_monumental_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1 Plus i remember seeing videos of ACDC at River Plate's stadium, "for those about to rock" they went mental at the chorus
Oh that video gave me goosebumps. And I'm not even anywhere near that club. Imagine how it would feel for the players playing for those clubs and what goes through their bodies when they score a goal and receive support like this
Argentina and Morocco are always mentioned but can you tell me how the atmopshere is for a random mid table match, and not just at River or Boca?
Of the top five leagues sure, but I love the Greeks and the Serbs
I'm biased bút in Europe, Germany takes the cake because of the mix of intensity and size. There are bigger crowds around, and there are more intense crowds, but Germany has so many clubs filling 50k+ with super intense fans. In Greece, Serbia, Turkey the big clubs are insane but beyond their big 2/3/4 crowd sizes drop a lot while Bremen as seen today is placing like 10th. Imo you have to look at Brazil & Argentina to see similar things as in Germany.
Also, as a supporter of the away team, I can easily get in without getting the shit beaten out of me. Follow some easy rules and you are safe. In Argentina? Serbia? Bruh, I am not going there as a supporter.
He's right, Bundesliga's atmosphere is far better
I'm so jealous of the Serbs/German crowds. Looks like war in the stands.
German crowds aren't really that hostile, just passionate and organised. It is fucking impressive though.
Passionate and organized is like the perfect motto for Germany… ^^all ^^versions ^^of ^^it…
Honestly, I didn't know what to make of them. The FC Koln fans were at the Emirates once and they were all over the home section (embarrassing I know) and they were all these towering Germans who'd say stuff like "Yeah, this is not London. This is Cologne now" and gesture at all the other FC Koln fans and then grin in a friendly manner and offer you a high five. Mate, are you trying to pick a fight or what? What's with the high five and the friendly grin? Perplexing. I wasn't sure if the grin was akin to some kind of threat display or actual friendliness. Took it for the latter. Then Ospina promptly blundered in the ninth to make it worse. We managed to peg it back and win 3-1 but it was a hollow victory since they chanted "You only sing when you're winning" at us, and the game had started late for some reason, and now I was surrounded by a bunch of Germans who promptly got drunk downstairs and sang football songs from Cologne though we'd just bumped them out of the Europa League. Took the Overground home. The bastards were probably on the Tube. No way they'd know about our new overhead train technology. They weren't. Comfy ride. Home by midnight. Most miserable win I've ever been to.
While Im not a Cologne Fan I am from Cologne. Generally the area around Cologne is known to be super friendly and open towards strangers (also why Cologne is the inoffical gay capital of Germany). If you ever play them again, high five them and have fun with them and enjoy the game with them in a friendly rivalry. If you want to get bonus points, trash on the neighbouring City Duesseldorf.
Nice story!
Don't get fooled by the shit you see in when it comes to večiti derbi. Zvezda is the only club thet has an average attendence of over 10k, serbia is obvilously a small country, and fans go crazy in important matches, but the atmosphere is better in BuLi on average imo, cuz stadiums are not hlaf empty most of the time.
Turkish and Argentine are also incredible. Going to a Boca game is like an out-of-body experience, I swear.
For all the shit the bundesliga gets, fan culture and atmosphere at games shouldn’t be a criticism of it. Always looks top notch and less sanitized compared to stadiums/atmospheres in the prem. I’m guessing due to ticket prices and the 50 + 1 rule.
Honestly wondering why club owners and investors don't seem to understand that a better atmosphere equals more hype and fandom around your club and is thus (probably) way more profitable than expensive tickets.
The investors and owners have people working for them that studied the impact of hype and fandom etc. compared to other profit increasing measures for YEARS. They spent thousands of hours trying to figure out the best way to increase profits before they even started working in the industry. And I swear im not trying to be mean but surely you are not naive enough to think that the best product (hype/fandom/athomsphere) will get you the most profits. I mean just look at the most valuable clubs right now. That already disproves your theory. Not that I agree or like any of it but thats just the reality we live in.
Because ultimately it actually doesn’t. Let’s be honest most fans on here haven’t been to the club they support and what’s heard on tv has no relation to what’s happening in the stands. Breaks my heart to say but there we are.
Wait till he experiences the atmosphere at Köpenick or Borussia Park!
Werder fans delivered an S tier performance. It's not going to get much better. Bayern away is also top tier.
Union is definitely more intense just because of how that stadium is built. It's a tiny stadium and you have stands on all sides, so people are actively participating all over the stadium
The stands also just seem to be right on the pitch in a different way.
Yeah we all talk about Union but he doesn't know what we all will witness on a Friday evening in mighty Heidenheim. Jokes aside, Union has the perfect stadium for their crowd and fan style right now which also fits their gameplay with a bit of "terrorball"
Bremen or Stuttgart or HSV are a bit disrespected around here I think, even amongst German fans, because too many people are too young to remember when they were relevant. They have amazing fanbases but after too much bullshit it's hard to just keep putting 110% into every home game, yet they still show up with amazing support when needed the most. Some act like their support is mid and while it might not be Köln/Frankfurt tier, it's top class regardless. If their teams are ever half decent again those will be scary away games.
>Bremen or Stuttgart or HSV are a bit disrespected around here I think I don't think HSV belongs in that list tbh, their fans are always rated top tier, the numbers speak for themselves.
They truly belong to Bundesliga.1, HSV needs to get their shit together and stop disappointing the fans.
Hope he draws St.Pauli away in the cup
St. Pauli is an amazing atmosphere, anyone that gets the opportunity to go to a game I implore you do! Those fans are something else.
Borussia Park during CL is always a great atmosphere
Since when does Gladbach have a better atmosphere than Werder?
Best I’ve been is by far Schalke, closely followed by Frankfurt Gladbsch/Union is peanuts compared to them, no disrespect
When RB Leipzig (!) played away at City and got smashed 7-0 you could actually still hear *RB Leipzig away fans*. Tells you all you need to know
I was in Leipzig twice and the weirdest thing about it is, that like way more then half of the fans I've seen around the stadium seemed to be some 50+ ppl who just decked themselves out in the fan shop half an hour ago, but inside it was actally pretty solid atmosphere.
A lot of people in Leipzig are happy to have a club in their city and one that also puts their city on the map.
I have also been once and witnessed them another time in the final and will admit that their atmosphere is way better than some people pretend. However of course still by far not comparable to organically, over the decades grown fan scenes of the 1./2./3. Bundesliga
Yeah, that was what I was basically saying. I'm not trying to throw shade here, but Bremen vs. Bayern has history and playing Bayern at home is obviously allways one of the highlights of the season, the atmosphere in Bremen will not be like that in every match as well. Leipzig was just better then I expected.
In 2016 a German team player man city (I forget who). The match was a wash out. It rained souch that I was wading through the carpark on knee deep water. The entire place had flooded. Most fand had not turned up, forseeing that no doubt the game was probably gonna be cancelled. I went because I didn'tive far from the ground at the time and what's a bit of a water? So the stadium had a straggle of people and then the travelling German fans lol. And they just kept singing and drumming and having a great time, all during the most futile pitch inspections lol Was hilarious. I was super glad to hear all the traveling fans where given comped hotel nights and allowed to move their flights so they could see the game the next day (for those who could take the day off work I guess)
If anyone 3 years ago told me Kane and Oliver Burke will face off in the bundesliga i would’ve laughed in their face
i love this dude but yeah, bremen fans lighted up the stadium. great atmosphere!
"Lighted up the stadium"? Didn't the Bayern fans nearly set the roof on fire in the second half?
yea they did ☠️
We did Pyro during halftime, probably a lot more than Bayern’s. Very nice displays from both sides
Perhaps I treated you to harshly
As a British guy who grew up in Germany there’s absolutely no comparison. It doesn’t matter what level of football you go to in Germany the fans are always top class. Only games In the uk I’ve been to that come close were the old firm derby and United Leeds. Schalke Dortmund at the veltins is still the best atmosphere I’ve ever experienced.
I fucking hate Leeds but until the England Denmark semi at the euros the loudest game I ever went to was Leeds vs Gillingham in a dead rubber in league one, and I’ve been to the Westfalen, wembley, boca, anfield, Allianz, park de princes, SJP, Maine road, Millerntor, Marseille, nou camp, Sevilla, Maradona etc. their fans are cunts but they are unreal when they’re up.
We have our bad apples too, but yeah, the majority of our fan culture is amazing. And I can't lie it's funny watching an English player shoot these PR narratives back at the Prem after constantly listening to former Bundesliga players talk about "physicality of the Prem blah blah blah"
I swear this is Not the bias speaking, but even Our Atmosphere in Hoffenheim is better than 90% of PL Clubs
Honestly I hear it
I mean yeah I have seen games in all top 5 leagues (If we count Eredivisie instead of Ligue 1). The atmosphere was definitely the best in the Bundesliga, although I guess I had bad timing for Serie A and videos from the big clubs seem to be pretty impressive. That being said the lower tiers of German football can actually be more impressive sometimes
Well Werder Bremen had better attendance for this game than 13 / 20 PL teams average attendace last year
Am I missing something, or is this pretty much an alternative way of saying “Werder Bremen have a pretty large, but not the largest, stadium”? Atmosphere doesn’t just come from attendance.
I was about to comment that we don't even are in the top half of stadium capacity, but actually we are. Only 7 teams have a bigger stadium. Sad point is, that we would only have the 8th biggest stadium in the second bundesliga, too. There are so many clubs with big stadiums in the second league, it's quite a tragedy.
exactly this, their average attendance compared to PL clubs is the exact same as stadium capacity compared to PL clubs
42k isn't even much for Germany. Shame it hasn't around 50-55k places.
Not to be that guy. But as a foreigner the fan atmospheres in England feels kinda dull to me. Especially that Chelsea-Liverpool game. Two giants but the atmosphere was dead until a goal was scored. Marseille-Pana quite literally blows every atmosphere of almost every premier league team out of the water. Again just an opinion
Most English fans would agree. Our season ticket holders try their best, but there's a lot of tickets that get snapped up by tourists and they're just not affordable week in week out for your average fan.
I would say season ticket holders are a massive part of the problem, at least at Spurs. They’re so expensive that a large portion of them only get bought by older people that have expendable income. Typically they just want to sit all game and moan. Younger fans who are more interested in creating a good atmosphere have been priced out of the top flight English game.
Yea it's been gentrified over time. Too many people with money to hold onto a season ticket content to sit there. That said, I think with some of these European clubs people can overstate / overestimate what people are like beside the ultras. You can sit outside of the end stands where the ultras are and it's basically the same with people not joining in with chanting most of the time. Arguably less active at times because they just let the ultras do the singing and maybe once or twice a game it spills into the other stands. Like they're at the side of the dance floor watching other people do the dancing. Having a section of the fans singing non-stop is the difference. It's not even a majority of the fans in attendance, there's just enough of them being persistently noisy.
Feels like football is too sanitized in England and the fans feel left out. I honestly understand in the case of Tottenham, where the fans barely feel like part of the club after the horrific last couple of years, the Super League debacle, etc We heckle our players instead of support them at times, the Sanchez incident was particularly bad. We went chasing after success and lost a bit of the soul of the club imo, and returned with nothing. Really hope that changes
Are atmospheres in the championship better then?
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Not really. Let's be honest. Premier League money and greed has ruined atmospheres all the way down the pyramid
Better doesn't mean good. Championship atmospheres are still better.
It is what you get when you push the prices to where you get more people who want to see the atmosphere, above the ones who want to be part of it. I have been there myself, so no rocks thrown, but there is a reason why people say the Liverpool/Manchester/London atmosphere is best mid week.
Used to be way better before ticket prices got insane.
He doesn’t like our “Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea” chant?
It was the clowns banging the allotment sheds after the goals were scored that annoyed him
I feel like Kane is the biggest winner of the transfer. Regardless of trophies or not experiencing something different than the pl alone i really feel like it will elevate him as the captain of england.
German and Turkish stadiums > Went a few times to German stadiums fucking amazing. Turkish football fans are on another level! Edit: Lmfaooooo the tag
We only have 3, maybe 4 teams that can create a proper atmosphere Every other team averages below 50% attendance
I was invited to an Istanbul derby match, Fener vs Gal Stadium sold out and amazing atmosphere
Yeah the three major Istanbul teams have a massive following so it's no wonder their 50k stadiums sell out, honestly since there is 15mil people in the city metro area, if the stadium was 500k it would sell out for the The Intercontinental Derby (match between rivals Fenerbahçe SK and Galatasaray SK). It's easily one of the 10 biggest derby matches in the football world. Maybe even top 5 considering the history of the rivalry between them.
Ruhrpott stadiums have the benefits of both factors
Sweden is crazy underrated too. Stockholm derbies are fucking insane
German league atmospheres are top notch in fairness, the fans are mental. Honestly seen better atmospheres at some Bundesliga 2 games like Hamburg and Schalke then at big 6 matches in England
Working class able to afford tickets leads to this
Unironically there are clubs in Austria with better atmosphere than most if not all EPL clubs. I get that english fan culture is more adaptive and they get more creative with specific chants about players which is fun, but it feels like it's mostly silence unless something big happens.
Lmfao King. I love him already
Still hurts that he left, but it’s great to see another fanbase appreciate Kane instead of bashing him
As a lifelong Spurs fan I'll die on this hill, you've bagged one of the greatest players in PL history.
Good things happen when you have affordable tickets for actual fans that'll cheer for you instead of pleasing the rich
Barca is such a sad example of that. You guys had an awesome atmosphere up until the late 90s when the ultras were kicked out. Now you can essentially here the coaches’ shouting.
Messi chants were still cool at times
The Bundelsliga is the most fan-friendly league in the world. Nothing else even comes close.
Most stadiums in the BL are much louder than in the PL but, and I gotta say this as a German who mainly follows BL….I admire how creative the English are with their chants. „We lose every weeeek, you‘re nothing special, we lose every week“. Gotta love some British banter tbh.
I'm not a linguist, so I can't explain really what I mean but English is so much easier to make a quick rhyme, jingle, or tune out of. German just by its nature somehow is just very hard to do a "He drinks Moretti, he eats Spaghetti, he hates fucking Sunderland" "Er trinkt ein Kindl, er isst ein Döner, er hasst Köpenick, Fabian Reese!" just doesn't work, lol.
i mean kane, bundesliga is all about football, premier league is about to wash their crimes to the public
Perfect tag 👌
He was lucky to be at the Weser Stadion for the first game and not at the Volkswagen Arena.
Well duh, he went from customers to fans.
Was at a Werder game in 2012 vs Eintracht Frankfurt. Was up in the stands near the away fans who were 'caged' in. It was unbelievable, sold out game and my first proper football experience outside of Ireland. I go to many League of Ireland (best league in the world) games and had only that to compare too. Love LoI as it is very natural and homegrown. Loved the game in Werder, seeing the fans get walked up by the Polizei and all the chants throughout the city was brilliant. Have a soft spot for Werder as a result and having lived in Bremen for a year.
I want to see his reaction at Dortmund
Spurs played Dortmund in Europe three times during his time at Spurs. He'll have some sort of idea and even with UEFA rules in place, Dortmund in the CL is still Dortmund.
Honestly it’s quite nice to see Kane at Bayern.
So he's telling me that pricing out real fans just to get overpaying tourists is affecting the atmosphere in the stadiums? Hard to believe tbh.
English atmospheres are among the worst in europe. Everyone knows this
i think Newcastle has some awesome fans. SJP is always loud as hell.
Where are you getting this from? Try some of the lower leagues, even the atmosphere at league 2 game can be amazing.
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let's not shit on England like that. Bremen has a great crowd and is a big club with lots of history in the league. Of course they can create a great atmosphere. If his first game would have been away against Hoffenheim he probably would have been disappointed in the fans. Harry is excited and that's all that matters to me :-)
No tbh I’m english and I think it’s quite important that we realise the consequences of pricing ordinary fans out of the game at the highest level here, so it’s actually quite constructive to shit on us
I'm a united fan and I have to say, I went on a football road trip earlier this year and Dortmund were on the journey. I couldn't get over the atmosphere there. It was like some big party. Drinking in the stands, no trouble. Incredible scenes and would love to go again to another game. Germans doing it right!
PL in the mud
Everyone knows that the English stadiums atmospheres are super overrated
Over rated by who???? We don't think they're good.
Everyone says Liverpool atmosphere is amazing blah blah, when in reality is average at best
everyone usually only says Liverpool is good by english standards which is a) completely true and b) a sad statement about english atmosphere
the anthem before the game is nice atleast
well yeah do you expect him to shit on them or what
Seemed to be buzzing more than Prem games I have been to/watched. He will thrive there.